Gold Miner $laughter - GAME OVER - mini 1912

[Nero Cain]

requesting modkill on myself for breaking rule #8. I'm thinking about an ongoing game.

[Nero Cain]

vote:Almost50

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: vote:Almost50

[Nero Cain]

Who is scum with you?

[Nero Cain]

^
my n1 target

[Nero Cain]

would be better if eggplant didn't ninja post but eh...

[Nero Cain]

I'm ascetic

and I'm a PGO so yeah

epic scum plot brewing
VOTE: dunnstral

You should've waited for their 3rd to come online and claim Miller before you pointed it out.

So you are buying into this? If so why no vote? If not why are you joking about it?

[Nero Cain]

ascetic is passive...

[Nero Cain]

You know I don't like to vote prematurely when there's info to be gained yet. I'm letting the baddies hang themselves all by themselves.

Your 22 is basically throwing coal in the fire so I'm not really getting why you'd be hesitant to vote on something you are buying into. And if your reason for not voting is that you are pushing for more info then I don't see why you'd make 22 in the first place.

[Nero Cain]

So you already doubt this setup has a town PGO and a town Ascetic but you aren't going with your gut b/c you need to be "sure"?

[Nero Cain]

my problem is that if that's what you believe then I'm not sure why you aren't voting that way. And then we run into the "well I need to be sure" and I think that's horseshit. You are being way hesitant with your vote and it feels super scummy to me.

[Nero Cain]

i meant can ascetic fuck w a pgo, not target, bad wording

no?

ascetic can't target anything and neither can pgo....

[Nero Cain]

@Nero: Relaaaax! I'm TOWN. OK?

Now let's say I do want to vote, who would you suggest I vote out of the two?

I don't see town asking this. YOU are the one that's saying that Dunn is scummy not me.

So, what you get is FoS and intent on a specified subject. What do you want more on PAGE TWO??

I think the page number is irrelevant to the question of why you aren't following your gut.

[Nero Cain]

@Bins

what do you think about the possibility of town having both a PGO and an aesthetic? What do you think of A50 not thinking its very possible?

[Nero Cain]

man this game is ez. 3 scum already.

[Nero Cain]

how so?

[Nero Cain]

if your vote is not where you want it to be, let me know

I want my vote to be after Dunn's vote. And be second on the wagon.

[Nero Cain]

Btw why is almost scum?

I'm scum. Lynch me.

[Nero Cain]

but real talk. I think his "I think there's scum within Dunn and Bins but I need to be certain before I vote there." is pretty fucking scummy. FMPOV its scum that wants a wagon to develop before he hops on.

INB4 he claims I'm arguing schematics.

[Nero Cain]

It's fine .. for now.

nice threat.

[Nero Cain]

although both have now posted more and I get the idea that there might not be scum between them after all

could you go into detail about what they posted that made you go from "I think there's scum in those claims" to not thinking that?

[Nero Cain]

I think he's scum and I'm "tunneling" so he's like "oh its fine...for now." Why do you think his threat against me is more likely to come for town than scum?

[Nero Cain]

So you think its NAI?

[Nero Cain]

this is loosely based the movie

A Coal Miners Daughter

with Sissy Spacek. It might have been a book b4 then, IDK.

[Nero Cain]

I'm your LOVER (in-game, bro). I won't let you die, but you sure as hell are dying if >I< should die.

lolololololololololololol

this is just

ATE

to try to scare me from his lynch.

[Nero Cain]

lets lynch a50 today and then this non scum hunting fluffbag

[Nero Cain]

or it's plausible that a50 could MAKE me his lover and I would die when he is lynched or vigged. I would kinda want to keep playing but its not that big of deal. I'll have to leave ya'll with instructions on what to do while I'm gone.

[Nero Cain]

dunn vote then unvote on almost felt off. if almost is scum then dunn is probs with him.
Tywin and persivul seem kinda obvtown at the moment. Tywin is probs the most engaged person with the game currently. Persivul seems really natural and the transition into scumhunting wasn't forced.
don't like bins focus on mechanics. could be scum there.
mick had a good start, putting them at town lean for now as i need to see more content
drixx had a valid point about a50 and are awesome so they can be town
slignshot's reads seem contrived, not doing much to make me think they are town, same goes for zach
wino and desperado are null

Why am I not here?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: policy vig:Tywin

[Nero Cain]

Someone say something scummy so I can lynch you. I cant bring myself to get invested in this game yet, but I wanna be.

Why do you no longer want to kill Almost?

[Nero Cain]

does anyone hate how certian people are when they push A50? I feel like that slot ALWAYS needs time to read and it takes a good amount of time for me to get confident on a read on the player, the fact the wagon is being pushed so hard is a lil sus to me.

This statement is like super hollow. No one is really hard pushing A50 beside me. Hell, no one is pushing

ANYTHING

beside me. You are also being vague and not naming names here so it sounds like scum afraid of confrontation.

[Nero Cain]

Someone say something scummy so I can lynch you. I cant bring myself to get invested in this game yet, but I wanna be.

Why do you no longer want to kill Almost?

Alright, this does it.

@Scum: I'm not protecting this guy tonight. He's all yours.

this is also fucking laughable post from a town POV.

If you aren't scum then who is scum and why?

[Nero Cain]

a50 is scum and Bins is throwing shade in an attempt to discredit the wagon.

[Nero Cain]

yes and?

Wh do you think is scum? Like I know you are voting Conman but I'm not 100% why. So spell everything out to me.

[Nero Cain]

And your suspicious confidence and assuredness that he is scum.

town want to lynch who they think is scum. It requires at least a modicum of confidence. If anything you should be worried about people that are not confident in their reads.

[Nero Cain]

then I do NOT KNOW who scum are. The Town is called the UNinformed majority for a reason.

this is a bullshit non-answer. We are 10 pages in and your sum total of scum hunting is an RVS vote on conn and some wishywashy reads you gave earlier.

[Nero Cain]

no, I got that you were soft claiming doc after your threat to not protect me but I just don't really believe you are town. Your doc hard claim means I won't get the needed support for your lynch today.

[Nero Cain]

My name is Lars Henrikson, a widower since 5 years ago. My late wife (Maricia) and I have a son (Albert) and a daughter (Gertrude), who are married to Steph (maiden name: Myers) and Gerald Burke (respectively, of course), and I have many little ones who call me "gran'pa"

O don't think I need to claim the rest at this point, but you should be pretty familiar with myself and my family.

this means nothing to me btw

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Zakk

[Nero Cain]

Zach

[Nero Cain]

switch Dunn and Zach its similar to how I feel. I'd also switch Con and oldwino with Persi and tywin.

[Nero Cain]

there's been an awful lot of pushback from someone that had me as their top town read.

[Nero Cain]

move

[Nero Cain]

*shrugz*

VOTE: Desperado

[Nero Cain]

for my part Desp has done shit all and I could see a scum him throw out a vote on an inactive Drixx slot.

[Nero Cain]

just b/c he's a claimed doc doesn't mean he's town.

[Nero Cain]

I know my vote is sitting on Desp and all but I'd really like to lynch Zach.

[Nero Cain]

Isn't Drixx actually more of a Desp counter wagon?

[Nero Cain]

well maybe not. There was a little mini Drixx wagon and then after me, Drixx and random voted Despo Dunn and Bins voted Drixx to over take.

[Nero Cain]

sorta kinda, I was just semi-corrected myself

[Nero Cain]

there exist such a role but said role being in the game is anyone's guess but occams says no.

[Nero Cain]

Why not just a mass flavor claim?

[Nero Cain]

That's so suboptimal that I cant see you saying this as a townie.

project much? Like our stances are not all that dissimilar. I think a50's play is scummy as F and his doc claim doesn't change my stance on his play. If you think his doc claim makes him town why would you even want to consider his lynch d3? If you don't think his doc claim is auto town then why does me still scumreading him bother you when you yourself are giving him 2 days to prove himself?

[Nero Cain]

also you went back on your meta town read on me really really fast. It's really odd.

[Nero Cain]

Who do you think is scum at this point?

[Nero Cain]

ok let's play this out. You are supposedly an outed town PR. I'd except that your mindset to be "well I'm going to be nighkilled soon" but you are more interested in "proving" your role than scumhunting? I'm not sure if I buy that.

[Nero Cain]

What experience do you have with me pushing a claimed pr as scum instead of pocketing?

[Nero Cain]

RE:TYWIN no though he's defending the snot out of a50 while also giving him a side eye. Its fencesitty and hypocritical.

[Nero Cain]

^
I'd also expect a50 to be more concerned about that if he was town.

[Nero Cain]

RE:TYWIN no though he's defending the snot out of a50 while also giving him a side eye. Its fencesitty and hypocritical.

Not really. It's common sense and basic mafia gameplay. You never lynch a doc or cop claim D1. That's basic rulebook stuff. You've played long enough to know this, so why are you attempting to shade me?

I'm not even voting A50 so your entire "Nero is trying to lynch the claimed doc" doesn't even stand up to scrutiny. Why can't I find his play scummy?

[Nero Cain]

definitely not logically sound,

ignoring the claim, what's town about a50? I mean sure, I've made my bed. I found a50 scummy. I felt like his doc softclaim was

ATE

y and I didn't care about it. I haven't been voting a50 since after his hard claim and its not like "OMG HE CLAIMED DOC HE CAN'T POSSIBLY BE SCUM!" and that's my stance but I can understand not lynching him today just in case I'm wrong.

[Nero Cain]

Why am I scum then a50?

[Nero Cain]

Why am I scum then a50?

[Nero Cain]

ok, here's my "moonlogic" Tywin and a50 are buddies. Tywin chainsaw defends his buddy thinking that he can get a mislynch. a50 continues to scum it up so now Tywin is changing his theory to me "bussing" him. This would help explain why he's been fencesitting on him (a50) and why his replies to me are so selective.

[Nero Cain]

explain your SR on A50 to me outside of his claim?

I was scum reading him before his claim. I'm not sure why I like that you are trying to pretend like I'm scum reading him solely for his claim. Misrep much?

[Nero Cain]

- I do not provide fakeclaims. that is your job if you want to do that

a50 needs to character claim.

[Nero Cain]

2- Because you ADMITTED that you got the Doctor crumb, and still kept the push on me.

your doctor crumb was

ATE

designed to get the wagon off of you. I didn't take it seriously and there was very little need to soft claim.

@Scum: I'm not protecting this guy tonight. He's all yours.

3- Because you're making no sense at all I'm starting to think you only post in this game when you're drunk.

What am I saying that makes no sense to you?

4- Because it doesn't make sense for me to claim DOCTOR as Scum. I could claim a few other things that would be more sound (and much safer), and that is if I claim at all.

It's not like this is going to happen all the time but claiming a pr as outted scum to out the real pr is a thing.

BUT THERE'S BEEN NO CC!

, he yells in a rage. Real doc doesn't want to claim. This game is docless.

I mean, show me ONE GAME where I was SCUM and claimed ON DAY ONE.. and UNPROMPTED TOO!

Have you been scum that was caught on d1? If so link.

[Nero Cain]

Nero, I'll try rephrasing a few times. If you still understand, then you're purposely misreading and misrepping my question.

I know what you are asking and I'll get to it but isn't it pretty hypocritical that you are yelling and screaming at me yet avoiding my questions like the plague? Although the answers to your question(s) are already in my ISO but if you want to fake rage for town cred then ok.

As for your misrep.

explain your SR on A50 to me

outside of his claim?

your phrasing of this is p odd. Like I was

NEVER

scum reading him

FOR

the claim. I'm saying that his play is still scummy regardless of claim and its not like scum can't claim a pr. It

DOES

fit nicely into your chainsaw defense of "Nero is pushing for a lynch on the claimed doc!" while conveniently ignoring that I haven't even been voting him since after his hard claim.

[Nero Cain]

requesting modkill on myself for breaking rule #8. I'm thinking about an ongoing game.

^^ Town. Too honest to... WAIT! It's NERO CAIN. Nah! He's cunning enough to fake a town tell as scum. Carry on.

this kinda gave me gut pings b/c since I think that when a50 is scum he's a bit trolly and

cute

. TBF he does do it a bit as both alignments so yeah...

OK. You're probably not scums with me. *Nod*

It was you & Sesq if I recall right

ditto that

I'm ascetic

and I'm a PGO so yeah

epic scum plot brewing
VOTE: dunnstral

You should've waited for their 3rd to come online and claim Miller before you pointed it out.

So you are buying into this? If so why no vote? If not why are you joking about it?

You know I don't like to vote prematurely when there's info to be gained yet. I'm letting the baddies hang themselves all by themselves.

This is where I started hard scum reading him. Like I really don't get why he's being hesitant to vote if he thinks there's scum between Bins and Dunn.

VOTE: Almost50

Looks like I hit a live wire.

really hated this reaction.

It's fine .. for now.

nice threat.

still hate that.

Nero, let me put it to you this way: I'm your LOVER (in-game, bro). I won't let you die, but you sure as hell are dying if >I< should die.

I felt like this was

ATE

with the intention to get me to stop scum reading him. There was no reason to buy the lover claim so I didn't.

The reason I'm reluctant to flavour claim is IF there's a wiki somewhere then it could easily lead scum to deduce roles.

Didn't really like that. Like scum don't have fake claims so a mass flavor claim could potentially sink them.

Ok, NVM .. I'm in the mood to lose anyway.

My name is Lars Henrikson, a widower since 5 years ago. My late wife (Maricia) and I have a son (Albert) and a daughter (Gertrude), who are married to Steph (maiden name: Myers) and Gerald Burke (respectively, of course), and I have many little ones who call me "gran'pa"

O don't think I need to claim the rest at this point, but you should be pretty familiar with myself and my family.

the bold is more

ate

.

This claim has nothing to do with my character and as far as I can tell nothing to do with the source material. TBF, it also doesn't list a Gil (oldwinnos claim) but it does list a shopkepper. So idk.

Someone say something scummy so I can lynch you. I cant bring myself to get invested in this game yet, but I wanna be.

Why do you no longer want to kill Almost?

Alright, this does it.

@Scum: I'm not protecting this guy tonight. He's all yours

.

this is also fucking laughable post from a town POV.

If you aren't scum then who is scum and why?

It is actually your phrasing of that question that deserves a million laughs, for "if I'm not scum" (and I'm not) then I do NOT KNOW who scum are.

The Town is called the UNinformed majority for a reason.

This sort of lulzy rage (italics) doesn't give me warm town fuzzies. FMPOV the lack of any (at least not any public) scumhunting coming from this slot was scummy. Trying to turn things back on me was lame. Bolded is

LAMIST

posting.

I'm more Town hunting tbh. I want to know who is TOWN and work my way from there.

My personal stance is that town hunting is a joke.

So, as scum, I think that calling a player town is kinda buddying or pocketing to use the new jargon. I think alot of players are stupidly OMGUSY so when a scum player calls another player town then its less of a chance they get voted and I think, atleast subliminally, when a player knows they are town and are being called town they kinda go "Oh hey X is reading me correctly so they must be town too!"

^
was me from the Star Wars game. I think the same applies here. Like in hindsight

IF

he's a doc being a useless lurksack is kinda ok but I'm not sure why he

CONTINUES

to be useless A.C.

Cuz scum may not believe it still, or may opt not to shoot me and hope that they can mislynch me tomorrow for being alive.

this worried me a bit since this is a pre-emptive reason for why he's still alive.

[Nero Cain]

Why?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Drixx

[Nero Cain]

eh.

I'm not a huge fan of Drixx joining this "lulz don't suspect a pr" and I could maybe see him as scum. This is defiantly scum though.

VOTE: Tywin

[Nero Cain]

There was another wagon to place it on, but it seems like he chose the Drixx one to make it look like OMGUS instead of that whatever you said.

dw. It's just hot manipulative garbage. Most ppl call it flailing and think it's "scummy" but it comes from town just as much if not more from town. It's hard for me to see the town motivation in Drixx's vote. It's mostly a naked vote. Like he does throw a little gasoline on the flames with 374 but its an unsupported stance. He's basically saying that its town of me BUT....and I just didn't find that townie b/c its trying to keep me lynchable.

? I haven't really seen many good points about him being scum at all (I do scum lean him, but that's just a vibe, and kinda went away after reading back a bit).

What has Tywin been saying that you think makes him look townie? To me, he's avoiding me like the plague. He knows he's scum and that I'm town. And he knows that if he gets into an argument with me he won't be able to out-argue me since he knows that I'm coming from a town POV and he lacks said town POW. I think he's being a huge hypocrite with him calling me scum for having scum read a50 but he himself is giving a50 two nights to prove himself. Our stances are not all that dissimilar and for him to scum read me he has to scum read himself. Also he's

BLAMING ME

for making a50 claim. I don't think that ever comes from town.

Before I TRed Nero but that TR is going away, and I might be willing to vote him after I read back a bit.

Why is your town read going away?

[Nero Cain]

with how lurky this game is I

might

claim later. Don't really want to but it might be necessary to avoid my mislynch.

[Nero Cain]

Guys, it's either me or Nero today.

This game can't afford to have us both alive in D2

.

Like I still find odd. I'm not really sure why he strongly believes he'll still be alive d2. And like after his hardclaim I wasn't even voting him so I'm not sure why he thinks I'd be death tunneling him d2. But all this did happen after I started to suspect an a50/Tywin team so

[Nero Cain]

like yes, every fiber in my body thinks a50 is full of shit and thus scum but I haven't even been voting a50 since after his hardclaim. Tywins entire case revolves around me wanting to lynch a50. And it just keeps on

IGNORING

that I'm not even voting him. He's scum either defending his buddy or is trying to get town cred.

[Nero Cain]

Why Con over Zach?

[Nero Cain]

I don't get Almost's prematurely splooging his role, but worse than that is Nero staying on him, followed by a switch which didn't feel natural at all.

I've beem scum reading Zach for awhile so why was it unnatural that I moved my vote there after the hard claim?

It's too fence-sitty, like I know I can't have my vote on this guy, but I'm really not sure what else to do.

It's not fence-sitting b/c I don't think I'm wrong. I could be wrong and I'm willing to admit it. It's not scummy to have a scum read on someone that you can't lynch.

anyways, nero's whole "well I might just have to CLAIM so my future MISLYNCH doesn't happen! haha!" absolutely fucking killed me. In addition to you know, the other stuff.

I was tied for the leading wagon and there were like 3 days till deadline since I'm counting Wednesday as deadline. Its not diffrent than a50 claiming doc to get votes off him.

[Nero Cain]

but keeps bringing up Almost.

I also have the right to defend myself and continue to make observations. Just b/c a50 is not going to be lynched today doesn't mean he can't be talked about.

[Nero Cain]

Why do you keep pretending like I haven't when I have?

You were super fluffy and not scum hunting.

here comes the OMGUS vote.

[Nero Cain]

p-edit: I'm concerned that, having read people's thoughts that almost is likely to be NK'd if his claim is true, that you're scum trying to keep pressure on him with intent of letting him live tonight, then push him again tomorrow.

Almost has made like 2 posts that heavily imply that he'll still be around tomorrow but if I was scum I'd just shut up about it. But this whole "you might do this" is a shitting for voting me.

[Nero Cain]

I'd prefer a current reads list rather than a point-by-point defense.

I don't know anymore. Its hard to decide who is just bad town and scum when you know you are town and that the players voting you are shit.

I'm still scumreading a50 over his

PLAY

. And I think this "don't talk about a50!" is really shitty. I think in the case of an a50 town scum would be in tywin, Zach and Drixx.

[Nero Cain]

not true

lets lynch a50 today and then this non scum hunting fluffbag

[Nero Cain]

Actually I'm not.. I should have been

who are your scum reads and why?

[Nero Cain]

So you were scumreading me prior to 499? What for?

[Nero Cain]

I don't need to talk to you to scum read you. The fuck is that nonsense?

[Nero Cain]

like all you did was sit there and ask me a few times why I was scumreading you (all the while ignoring 156)

So here are my questions.

Why were you not confronting me about 156?

If you think I was scummy for not confronting you then why did you not bring it up?

If you think I need to have a conversation with you about my finding you scummy then why didn't you try to have a conversation with me prior to 477?

[Nero Cain]

Why are you voting here? We're not killing this guy today.

huh... and why is that

he needs to buddy the weak town.

[Nero Cain]

man these votes are trash.

a50 claims doc.

I'm not voting him but still find his play suspicious as hell, thus scummy.

If I vote a50 then I'm scum for pushing on someone with a doc claim and if I talk about a50 then I'm fence sitting. These are really damned if I do dammed if I don't.

[Nero Cain]

I don't see why not?

[Nero Cain]

I didn't notice 156 until I saw it recently, but it's a link to my ISO. Fuck am I supposed to confront you about?

Maybe instead of just being dense and going "oh hey it's a link to my ISO, I have no idea what this means!" You should maybe look at my words from the link.

non scum hunting fluffbag

Why do you act like this isn't based in logic? You're not familiar with my play. You have no idea what happens in my head before I hit the post button. So you... ask? Or just assume? These are the only two options. That's why you need to "have a conversation"

because town win condition relies on information.

If I hadn't said anything you probably wouldn't have done anything to this effect, maybe possibly but not likely wagoned me, then I would have flipped town and been blamed for... something. I know EXACTLY how my posts look and that's what you scumread me for.

You are correct that I didn't meta you. I think it's a plenty reasonable assumption that a lack of scumhunting is scum motivated. Why is that a bad assumption? I'm not really getting this "you needed to have a conversation with me in order to scum read me but its ok for me to not have a conversation with you." So the bolded looks kinda

LAMIST

. What information have you been getting by...fluff posting? Your current fence sitting on me not standing....you haven't been doing anything this game so what else would I scumread you for? To me, a scum you not doing anything and then arguing that I can't scum read you for having not done anything makes p sense to me.

[Nero Cain]

Fine with DL lynching you tho and a few others

Who are the few others?

[Nero Cain]

Who is the scum pushing me?

[Nero Cain]

well sure but there are still two others.

[Nero Cain]

@Drixx

what is your Zach read?

@Sling

Would you vote Tywin or Drixx?

[Nero Cain]

and they're all basically for the same reason......

O
M
G
U
S

I don't know if Dunn was voting Drixx before Drixx wagoned him but both his votes on me and Dunn seem very go with the flow and thats p likely to come from scum. His whole "well Nero's continued suspicion of is towny...but I'm just going to ignore that b/c Nero." doesn't seem like town that's trying to figure things out.

[Nero Cain]

^
the only thing that made me slightly reconsider is Zach was voting him. I mean scum voting their buddies to throw town off is a thing but that's not my first thought but fuck it. They are both scummy as fuck.

[Nero Cain]

Fine with DL lynching you tho and a few others

Who are the few others?

Drixx and random atm

I'd also expect there to be 1 scumbuddy here and it's not me and random so....

[Nero Cain]

k then. Vote for the guy that's trying to lurk out the rest of the day i.e. Tywin.

[Nero Cain]

5. Desperado
10. randomidget
12. Dunnstral
13. oldwino

you guys are town. Save the mislynch and vote scum!Tywin.

We can do Drixx later Desp.

1. Whoever replaced conman
2. Bins

you guys are probably town

lets vote scumTywin today.

[Nero Cain]

What experience do you have with me pushing a claimed pr as scum instead of pocketing?

[Nero Cain]

Nvm I was quoting a player list and didnt pay attention.

Desperado is town. He always does this. Lots of nothing.

Zach is probably town.

Oldwin/conn null

Doesn't

always

doing nothing make it really easy to emulate your town game as scum? Not a convincing reason to town read Desperado... like ... at all. There are some reasons to read him as !town though.

ya that was pretty shit from tywin, could've been buddying me I guess.

this is why Desp is town.

[Nero Cain]

He's more null than anything, but those are my current stances.

he then bactracks here.

[Nero Cain]

He forced A50 to claim

and this doesn't come from town ever

[Nero Cain]

Yeah, no scum has ever called out someone for buddying in order to look town. Good catch.

So he looks town but.....how do you determine that he's scum trying to look town and you know not just town?

[Nero Cain]

His replies are selective and his push that I'm scummy for not thinking a50 is necessarily town while still wanting to lynch him d3 if he hasn't blocked a kill is hypocritical.

[Nero Cain]

You don't. It was a fairly NAI comment. What's sus is you putting that much weight on it.

So Tywin is like oh "Desp is town" gets some flak for it then he's like "oh I'm not engaged...he's null" that's actually pretty fucking scummy from Tywin.

[Nero Cain]

and you. Like your thing that you think my being suspicious of a50 and continuing to be suspicious of him when he says scummy things and you being worried that I'm scum that's laying the foundation to push him tomorrow is lol.

[Nero Cain]

I also think your thing about not wanting me to defend myself from certain "points" and just give a reads list is a bit odd. It's like you are judging me based on my reads and I'm not sure why that's important to town.

[Nero Cain]

What are your reads then?

[Nero Cain]

scum getting outted and claiming doc/cop/other pr is a thing bro. I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong hence why I wasn't voting him after his hardcaim.

Aside from his claim what do you like about his content and why you think I shouldn't have been suspicious of him?

[Nero Cain]

lame

[Nero Cain]

ah so drixx is defs town eh

Why?

[Nero Cain]

nice prod dodge lurker scum

[Nero Cain]

nice prod dodge lurker scum

Yeah, okay bud. My meta clearly must show I'm a huge lurker /s

as scum sure.

Don't be a weak sheep like Waffles. That poor guy has no idea when he is being manipulated.

Says the guy that is trying to use reverse psychology to get him to switch to me.

[Nero Cain]

Even if a50 was scum he wouldn't get lynched and thus my vote would be useless. I haven't even been voting a50 since after his hardclaim so.....

[Nero Cain]

Whats your characters name?

[Nero Cain]

Whats your characters name?

I hate catching up, took me so long for just 10 pages because i can't focus properly.
PE:Amanda Hills

sorry I meant this for Tywin. But thanks anyways.

[Nero Cain]

lets also note that I am Tywins

SOLE

scum read. This is scum that is singularly faux scumhunting.

[Nero Cain]

129 Imo This was deliberately warped to make Almost's statement scummy. I interpreted it: "As long as you are using your brain and not just death tunneling me, it's fine" Well, i could be wrong, but i don't see scum making threats unless, they are, like, drunk.

It's not deliberately warped or anything. I think a threat would be more likley to come from scum than town cause like town doesn't rely on scum tactics. But this was obv before his doc claim so meh...

223 Throwing shade on people because they are throwing shade on people

I felt like Bins 208 was scummy. I didn't really like the soft defense of Almost.

[Nero Cain]

143 Role fishing. It was directed to Nero with information that can only be intepreted by Nero. No need to pry into it.

I kinda think him finding his own slots post scummy is kinda a town thing.

[Nero Cain]

Nero has some scum motivation

What is my scum motivation?

[Nero Cain]

What was odd?

[Nero Cain]

Your tunnel and treatment around his softing and doctor claim. Btw you won't get anything concrete from me rn, because i'm tired and it's obvious that you will nitpick everything i say.

My tunnel is NAI. It's probs the same reason that Desp and Dunn are town reading me. I felt like a50's original lovers claim and then his doc soft claim was really

ATE

y and I had no reason to believe it. I also didn't take 181 +182 as

TOWN

frustration. Like he had hard claimed and I had stopped voting him so I'm not sure why his panties were still in a bunch. I wouldn't even consider voting him until like d4 at the earliest. I think its p obvious that scum are using my tunnel on a50 to call me scummy but that's like literally how town plays. Find someone scummy>>>want them dead.

I'm not "nitpicking". I am trying to understand your POV and subtly try to influence you to vote scum.

So let's talk about why Tywin is your #1 town read?

[Nero Cain]

holy shit we aren't mislynching me today. So get your votes off me Candiace.

[Nero Cain]

Nero is the largest wagon lol

Nero has been the

ONLY

wagon after a50. This should tell ppl that scum are COMFORTABLE with my lynch.

[Nero Cain]

Nero Cain ............ - 4 - Tywin Lannister, Drixx, Persivul, oldwino,

is scum on this wagon ?

There

HAS

to be. Not counting Zakk since he recently moved. Like if you want to believe that my wagon is all town then you have to think scum is in

1. Charloux
2. Bins
4. SlingshotWaffles
5. Desperado
9. Almost50
10. randomidget
12. Dunnstral

and I just don't think that's very likely. As cliche as this sounds...the whole fucking scumteam is sitting on me. This is where you guys lynch tomorrow.

[Nero Cain]

So get your votes off me Candiace.

This should have been "especially you, Candiace.

[Nero Cain]

Then Zach and a couple of others said that revealing flavor details might also reveal alignments and roles

I don't think the flavor would really point to anyone's roles. Like you are a shopkeep and that tells me shit all. I am Floretta Lynn, wich is obviously a play on Loretta Lynn, the main character. What does that tell you about my role? Scum are not given fake claims this game so like I said before a mass flavor claim could potentially sink them and I think being afraid of flavor is more likely to come from scum than town.

[Nero Cain]

revealing flavor details might also reveal alignments

this part is prob true though. And scum would be scared as fuck to have a bunch of conf towns walking around.


My pm mentions

Lou Dittle
Dolly-Dee Lynn.
Candice
Maude
Jack
"stick" Rick
Andrew

and they are probably all in the game and all town. Candice is confirmed to be in this game.

[Nero Cain]

claimed miller in his first post(+)

he claimed not miller. I mean I guess that you could argue that by him claiming not to be a miller is him claiming miller but that's like really vague. Like if he were really a miller and claimed not miller then gets investigated...like it is not a pro-town play for a miller to claim not miller.

[Nero Cain]

If anything, he's cutely claiming scum and that any guilty result on him would be legit and not b/c of millership.

[Nero Cain]

my daughters names are floretta, candice and i have a baby named maude

hi mommy

[Nero Cain]

Nero Cain ............ - 4 - Tywin Lannister, Drixx, Persivul, oldwino,

is scum on this wagon ?

There

HAS

to be. Not counting Zakk since he recently moved. Like if you want to believe that my wagon is all town then you have to think scum is in

1. Charloux
2. Bins
4. SlingshotWaffles
5. Desperado
9. Almost50
10. randomidget
12. Dunnstral

and I just don't think that's very likely. As cliche as this sounds...the whole fucking scumteam is sitting on me. This is where you guys lynch tomorrow.

What do you think of this, Daddy?

[Nero Cain]

I could do perci.

[Nero Cain]

IDK, I kinda like oldwino's shopkeep claim. Like scum would have known that this game was flavor intensive so him claiming the shopkeeper right off the bat seems a little townish. Like I kinda think scum would just STFU and try to not reveal flavor b/c they had no fakeclaims.

[Nero Cain]

my daughters names are floretta, candice and i have a baby named maude

FWIW this agrees with my info.

Fo you think I'm fake claiming Flo here?

[Nero Cain]

ok but is scum like obvious scummy people or just like hidden baddies in my town
like do i even have reason to trust my own wife, etc

Is perci claiming to be your wife? I mean it is pretty silly that he's still sitting on me.

[Nero Cain]

Well, you know its kinda hard to know what you are thinking when you aren't open with your thoughts.

[Nero Cain]

Who else is scum btw perci? You've sat on me all day and you don't seem to be suspicious of anyone else.

[Nero Cain]

Dude, I've already claimed. Hence why I was and still am confused why you are sitting on me.

[Nero Cain]

So get your votes off me Candiace.

This should have been "especially you, Candiace.

revealing flavor details might also reveal alignments

this part is prob true though. And scum would be scared as fuck to have a bunch of conf towns walking around.


My pm mentions

Lou Dittle
Dolly-Dee Lynn.
Candice
Maude
Jack
"stick" Rick
Andrew

and they are probably all in the game and all town. Candice is confirmed to be in this game.

[Nero Cain]

like its kinda odd that you say and mentioned Bins posts but you just happened to miss mine?

[Nero Cain]

I've already hinted at my role and Candiace will know what that part is. It's up for scum to figure out if I'm worth nightkilling or running the risk of letting a town pr run wild.

[Nero Cain]

Well, I don't really want to full claim that much. So ya'll get my flavor and that I have a PT with my sister.

I think it should be pretty obvious to the rest of you that I've really been the only wagon after a50.

[Nero Cain]

That looks like you want a CW to nero, and since I just mentioned desp you're giving it a shot.

You are either scum or the most conf biased townie ever. So I pushed a50. a50 was scummy. That's what town do. Like no way is that scummy.

[Nero Cain]

That looks like you want a CW to nero, and since I just mentioned desp you're giving it a shot.

If Bins wanted a counter-wagon she just could have voted Tywin. Unless she's buddies with him and MEH. You should be very concerned that there hasn't been ANY significant push away from me.

[Nero Cain]

Why can't Zach like be scum that knows Desp is town?

[Nero Cain]

I rather no lynch than lynch town.

[Nero Cain]

so is lynching town.

[Nero Cain]

if we are consolidating then I'd kinda want to do Drixx but I don't really want to lynch anyone in my family and her townread of Drixx makes me kinda think twice.

[Nero Cain]

well they are my claimed family aleast Bins and Sling.

[Nero Cain]

so knowing I'm a mislynch, I am supposed to think I'm a better lynch than a no lynch? All my lynch does is cost town a pr. You guys prob won't even go back and lynch off my wagon.

[Nero Cain]

so is lynching town.

Full of shit and you know it lol

no this is you saying that I should believe that my mislynch is better than a no lynch and its fucking not.

[Nero Cain]

Why should I think my lynch is better than a no lynch?

[Nero Cain]

@Zach

I was clearly talking about my own lynch. FMPOV a no lynch

IS

better than my lynch. Like maybe if it was like "ok we are lynching off of the Nero wagon, no ifs and or buts about it." That would be like the only silver lining of my lynch since I think that there's like no fucking way all of tywin, Drixx, Perci and old winno are town.

[Nero Cain]

like the only other thing I could maybe see is Dunn and Desp both calling me town to gain town cred when I flip town but not even moving their vote to keep me as the leading wagon.

[Nero Cain]

Why should I think my lynch is better than a no lynch?

[Nero Cain]

I'm in his family, but see above - he hasn't removed me from his scum pool.

I don't think oldwinno is scum but he was still on that list. It's like your posts are the most surface level things. Start thinking.

[Nero Cain]

I don't think you know what that means

[Nero Cain]

Why should I think my lynch is better than a no lynch?

[Nero Cain]

TBF I

DID

feel like my lynch would have been the only feasible lynch and that's why I said that.

[Nero Cain]

I mean sure but I wasn't arguing that. I was just saying that lynching ME is not pro-town. I'm not really sure why that's hard to understand.

[Nero Cain]

Bins whats the % on what you think Drixx is softclaiming? Why is he softing anyway?

[Nero Cain]

And I'm sorry but "Ascetic" is short hand for "don't bother investigating me" and is a common scum gambit. I'm allowed to scum read someone who claimed ascetic.

I mean. I've seen scum claim miller, pgo, ascetic and yeah I can buy the whole town being wary of the claim but he claimed this way back on page 1. We are we JUST NOW hearing about how paranoid you are? Like

THIS

is what you should have been talking about earlier this day but you've done nothing but opportunistically bandwagon. Based on this alone I'm leaning voting Drixx over Desp.

[Nero Cain]

So if I drown it means I'm not a witch and if I float it means I'm a witch and will die anyways. Why are you using 300-year-old shit logic?

[Nero Cain]

There are atleast 3 scum here. Even if you think I am scum who are the others? Charloux and Sling?

[Nero Cain]

What do you think of Drixx?

[Nero Cain]

And I'm sorry but "Ascetic" is short hand for "don't bother investigating me" and is a common scum gambit. I'm allowed to scum read someone who claimed ascetic.

I mean. I've seen scum claim miller, pgo, ascetic and yeah I can buy the whole town being wary of the claim but he claimed this way back on page 1. We are we JUST NOW hearing about how paranoid you are? Like

THIS

is what you should have been talking about earlier this day but you've done nothing but opportunistically bandwagon. Based on this alone I'm leaning voting Drixx over Desp.

What do you think of that Sling?

[Nero Cain]

Drixx

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: DRIXX

[Nero Cain]

it was me hinting me role. I don't know who she is.

[Nero Cain]

my daughters names are floretta, candice and i have a baby named maude

I claim Maude.
/s

[Nero Cain]

Thanks. But what does that /s mean at the end?

IDK. serious maybe.

[Nero Cain]

Maude is listed in all of mine, Bins and Perci pm so I don't see why not.

Like we know that scum don't have fake claims so I feel like ppl that have a claim handy are more likely to be town.

[Nero Cain]

I'm leaning toward voting Nero

Why?

[Nero Cain]

@Nero - you've played enough with me that you know what to expect from me as the game continues. You know that I'm ass at day one and improve rapidly as I have actual known info to work with. Join is in lynching Desperado who is pretty certainly scum and stop helping push us into a no lynch. We don't need to have the same fucking arguments tomorrow.

Why don't you answer my fucking question instead of whine about how bad your d1 play is? And besides, "I'm bad at d1" isn't a valid excuse for your scummy play. I mean you

JUST

got done arguing that I and Desp are scum and won't vote each other AND then you expect me to vote him. How in the world can you possibly believe both things at the same time?

Nvm I was quoting a player list and didnt pay attention.

Desperado is town. He always does this. Lots of nothing.

Zach is probably town.

Oldwin/conn null

Doesn't

always

doing nothing make it really easy to emulate your town game as scum? Not a convincing reason to town read Desperado... like ... at all. There are some reasons to read him as !town though.

ya that was pretty shit from tywin, could've been buddying me I guess.

this is why Desp is town.

He's more null than anything, but those are my current stances.

he then bactracks here.

This and you leaving his wagon for no fucking reason when the momentum started swinging to me prob means he's town. Like I was voting who you thought was scum and then you are all like "oh I'm still right on Desp but let me sheep Tywin". Did you think I was scum bussing him at like L-4? lol What I feel like your plan was was to get me mislynched then you have someone to push tomorrow.

I mean as scum you all you have to do is sit on wagon + deny anything that points to them being town. "Desp is town b/c Tywin called him town then backtracked" "nope" "Nero is town 'cause there was no counterwagon so scum were comfortable with the game state." "nope"

[Nero Cain]

but I haven't seen Nero do anything that's outright scummy.

like this is a pretty horrible line. It's a fence sit.

[Nero Cain]

If you knew he was being sarcastic why did you unvote him?

[Nero Cain]

I'm leaning scum on Nero because of his early vote on A50 and his continued tunneling of him, despite his doc claim, which is still not cc'd. And Nero has changed his vote too often, IMO, although he's still tunneling A50. I believe A50's claim as some kind of doc, maybe with a modifier, so Nero's continued focus on him seems scummy, even though he's not voting him.

If you read

ANY

of my games I'm a huge fucking tunneler. So I don't feel like using that is a good reason to think I'm scum. I mean, so I found a50 scummy and then he claimed town pr. That's like normal gameplay? I haven't been voting a50 since after his hardclaim so I don't feel like the "I'm continuing to push him" is accurate at all. I will admit I have like 3 posts after his claim that discuss me still being suspicious of him.

[Nero Cain]

It's the opposite of attempting to pocket them and therefore will more likely reinforce the town read than have any other result. That sort of makes the whole interchange useless because Nero would make that play regardless of alignment.

Like this is still bullshit. "This is a townie move but I'm just going to ignore it." And when asked for examples that would make him believe in this he had none. FENCE SIT AND DENY!

I'd also like to point out that Zach and Drixx hard scumreading each other and then being fine with voting

TOGETHER

is scummy as fuck.

D-I-S-T-A-N-C-I-N-G!

[Nero Cain]

I have tywin and zach as town, so still liking a nero lynch.

On the desp wagon I only have charloux for town, others being null.

Drixx has two scum reads, which likely means they're not both scum.

Who needs a scumteam when they have a helper like you.

[Nero Cain]

vote: Drixx then Dunn

[Nero Cain]

You've both been my scumreads since the beginning of time. What the hell? I don't care if he wants to help lynch you.

tbf you didn't say anything about either of us for a long time. The fist half of your iso is nothing but fluffposting and I was scumreading you for that. You then sorta OMGUSed/sheeped Tywin. And your read thing was like an RVS vote that

supposedly

became serious.

[Nero Cain]

Tywin is scum b/c he's using fear tactics to try to swing a ML on me.

[Nero Cain]

A50 may be his scum buddy tbh. Town Almost50 would know Nero is scum

Also note how he's SCUM "reading" me for suspecting a50 after his claim yet he's doing it. This is such hypocritical scum.

[Nero Cain]

what fear tactics?

You are calling everyone my scumbuddy that's defending me/doesn't scum read me. So far you've accused Sling, Random, a50, Charlox as my buddies. Though I guess it is a little odd that you are

AREN'T

calling Desp and Dunn scum but everyone else?

[Nero Cain]

What is your Drixx read, Almost?

[Nero Cain]

Why do you think town him would wait till the 11th hour to talk about how distrusting he is of Dunns claim?

[Nero Cain]

Dunn if you are hard town reading me why are you not willing to vote elsewhere so I don't get lynched?

[Nero Cain]

If that other quadrant of town can't get a solid wagon on drixx Nero is the only option I'm going with

I think Bins is leaning towards voting Drixx over me. Assuming that's correct, and you had stayed on Drixx he'd be @5 votes. Even when Drixx switched to me he was still the leading wagon. If you think we are both scum then you shouldn't have cared. So FMPOV you didn't want him to be the leading wagon.

[Nero Cain]

Drixx, Zack, Tywin is your scum team.

[Nero Cain]

y no post here sling?

[Nero Cain]

like can we all just vote Drixx so Zach can try to squirm his way out of voting his scumbuddy.

[Nero Cain]

I'm the leading wagon (again)

then Desp

then Drixx

[Nero Cain]

Why are you arguing that your role is town but not mine if we have similar roles? My PT with Candice and yours with Amanda.

[Nero Cain]

Also, me and Desp are tied now and your vote puts him in the lead. I'd expect that you'd be overjoyed that you could be lynching your #1 scumread. There's a ton of scum motivation in wanting to lynch a pr over a claimed vt...

[Nero Cain]

I kinda think that ^might be the basis for

With that said, don't try to "break the game" by turning it into a

PM comparison game

[Nero Cain]

I'd like character claims from both you and Tywin.


Like part of me doesn't want to lynch Drixx since filling a game with multiple similar roles is a thing but Drixx is playing so scummy and both him and Tywin are avoiding me like the plague.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Desp