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[Priscila]

I'm going to need to catch up and sort my thoughts, which I'll be doing tomorrow. I am too busy today to be available to spend enough time on this.

Hi.

[RayFrost]

I'd like to start by going ahead with this:

Vote: BigYoshiFan

I'd like to state that I currently have a

townread

on Gamma. And I never really had a scumread on him. His reaction to my accusations on day 1 was quite towny (which brought him from null to town), and the reactions of other players around those accusations were more suspect. My main motivation for pushing him was that I had felt it was highly unlikely a wagon would actually shift to him (I didn't want more claims, really) and it was highly likely people would be willing to discuss it (other pushes felt less likely to get any substance from the others). Sorry to Gamma. You were a good choice for this. Nothing personal.

Now, the reactions of two players in particular bothered me: Ircher and BigYoshiFan. I'm fine with voting either one this game phase. I'd need to go back through to link to specific posts for BigYoshiFan, but here's the basic breakdown for both reads:

BigYoshiFan - his ~scumread~ on titus and his reactions around her were very much of the omgus variety in that it could be boiled down to "titus' reasoning for suspecting me is bad so titus is suspect" - his suspicion of titus is artificial at best and is a reaction, not individually spawned. This can be seen by his reaction to people townreading the titus slot as well.

A lot of BigYoshiFan's sources of suspicion can be summed up with "what this person did didn't feel genuine" - there's no way to really poke at this reasoning. And it's not wrong in and of itself. But when it's the reason for most of your reads, it becomes an excuse rather than a reason. He also puts mild efforts to express a townread of Ircher in reaction to people suspecting him. Mind you, associative tells before a flip aren't the best to go off of, but it's a point for why ircher's number two.

Additionally, his reaction to my case against Gamma was "I promise more later, but it's intriguing" with nothing given later. Intriguing and interesting are two words with very similar uses: you say them and it can mean anything you want. Also note BigYoshiFan never shows any suspicion of Gamma prior to or after that post.

Ircher - Associative tells with BigYoshiFan are the main reason, to be honest. If you look through their interactions and the flow of their reads, there's a lot of them matching up in reads / supporting each other's cases and not a lot of actual direct interaction between them. It's indirect. Agreement, with little conflict of reads (or apparently not enough to converse with each other about their differences for some reason).

The stuff from today that has been mentioned could be included as well, but that's been covered.

I'd also like to make a premature claim because I can. I'm a

two shot gunsmith

, and I've used both shots on players that I couldn't get a good read on. One is MarioManiac4, the other is Penguin Power. Neither of them have guns. I'm making this claim now because the playerlist is small enough that having these results (especially since I can't get any more) out is beneficial given we don't know how many members of the scumteam there are. If you are a role with limited shots that is investigative and you've used them, I would suggest claiming now.

[RayFrost]

I'm going to need to catch up and sort my thoughts, which I'll be doing tomorrow. I am too busy today to be available to spend enough time on this.

Hi.

Oh, hello there.

[Priscila]

It also really confuses me that MMM went into so much depth over a MortFeld kill, but completely ignores killing a doublevoter over a cop.
...
Am I the only one here?

It is extremely strange. Kelvin only claimed odds today. The only explanation I can think of is that he was rolecopped n1 and they knew that he wouldn't get another result.

[RayFrost]

That is a point that I'm willing to accept and embrace regarding MMM.

[Priscila]

I think the appropriate thing to do here may be to massclaim.

[Priscila]

That is a point that I'm willing to accept and embrace regarding MMM.

I did not respond to that quote correctly. I was intending only to say how strange it was that TwoFace was killed over Kelvin, not anything about MMM failing to comment on that.

[Priscila]

Tier list

Kelvin Smith, MarioManiac4
PenguinPower, MMM, BigYoshiFan
Ircher
Gamma Emerald, RayFrost

[Priscila]

I'm getting cold feet on my Gamma scumread. I feel like there's an off chance that this might be one of those super scummy slots that is somehow town and scum are using him to buddy up and get towncred on a town flip. I need to go digest ISOs, especially Kelvin's, since I pretty much skimmed his posts on that read.

[Priscila]

A massclaim I think is a good play here because depending on what claims we see then RayFrost's claim may just make him obvious scum right now.

[Priscila]

If no one objects to a mass claim, my preferred order would be this: Ircher -> Penguin -> MMM -> everyone else

[Priscila]

What
I feel Ircher might be victim of a frame kill but I'm not going to jump to conclusions

Gamma please explain this.

[ThinkBig]

Official Vote Count

Ircher

(2): PenguinPower, MarioManiac4

BigYoshiFan

(1): RayFrost

Priscila

(1): BigYoshiFan

PenguinPower

(1): Ircher

Gamma Emerald

(1): Priscila

Not Voting

(3): MMM, Kelvin Smith, Gamma Emerald

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-06-04 15:48:38)

[RayFrost]

My preferred order would be BigYoshiFan -> Ircher -> MMM -> Priscila -> GammaEmerald -> MM4 / Penguin Power

[Priscila]

Why would you want Penguin to claim last?

[RayFrost]

One of MM4 / Penguin Power

No care between the two, but the two of them are the people I got no-gun results on, so yeah

[PenguinPower]

Why would you want Penguin to claim last?

Why would you want me to claim second?

[Priscila]

Because I suspect you second most of those who have not claimed.

[PenguinPower]

Even with Ray stating that neither Mario nor I have a gun? Do you not believe his claim?

[Priscila]

I am scumreading his slot quite strongly, so no, I do not.

[PenguinPower]

k.

Preferred order would be Ircher -> Gamma -> MMM -> BigYoshiFan -> Priscila -> MM4

[Gamma Emerald]

Tier list

PenguinPower, TwoFace, Kelvin Smith, RayFrost
MarioManiac4
Ircher, BigYoshiFan, MMM
Gamma Emerald

vote: Gamma Emerald

Why do you have such a comprehensive list so soon after replacing

[Gamma Emerald]

One comment: I think that the way that Titus replaced out was very sudden and strange and probably there was some infighting in the scum team, from this I expect that she was being bussed and was unhappy about that. I am looking at Ircher for the prime suspect here.

If I have to pick a team, it is fitz+Gamma+Ircher.

O btw I'm going to re ISO fitz to check for town, since as I said he detests bussing
NVM me asking about the list, I thought you replaed Kelvin

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually, I ctrl+F'd my slot.

VOTE: Ircher

That was super weak dude.

Wait what

[MarioManiac4]

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