Mini 1906 - It's An Owners Market Blitz (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

Ego
Has anyone played the other instances of this game? What should we look out for?

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Oh
I didn't realize you were from PS, thanks for reminding me.

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FYI Xnadroj, MMM, and ELA play here too

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Elect Socrates

since I like the Ancient Greek philosophers

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Okay
When did you find that out

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I didn't realize The was there, I saw the ability list and was like "okay cool".

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Btw the gravedigger ability looks nice but rather situational. I'd compare it to the pathologist on epicmafia

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Hi Infinity long time no see.

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What's the vote for?

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I've been away a while so I'm still getting back into the swing of things

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Why the vote?

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It was because he went from the vote to saying hello, so I thought it might have been RVS.

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i thought i didnt recieve a role pm and the game started, but i just overlooked it lol

For some reason this feels towny

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Can you try to explain?

The only thing I can put my finger on is that I think scum wouldn't make this kind of comment

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Only thing it can do for scum is guard against the daykill.

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Oh it's a night use BP

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I think I might go for tracker today

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I know I'm paying $500 for dayvig and shooting whoever looks at me wrong. Fair warning to you all.

I'm only half kidding.

If dayvig comes up, the scumteam gets it. End of story.

Is this a prediction or a command?

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Kinda suspect ABR and Elena at this point

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I know I'm paying $500 for dayvig and shooting whoever looks at me wrong. Fair warning to you all.

I'm only half kidding.

If dayvig comes up, the scumteam gets it. End of story.

Is this a prediction or a command?

A statement of fact.

That's closer to the first one. Okay.

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ABR's plan can easily be subverted by scum, especially since none of the abilities up for this day are of much use to them. I think there's a chance he could be setting up town to spend a lot on all the weaker powers so the scum can scoop up the stronger ones.
I'm not a fan of Elena electing No One. It feels like an empty stance to take.

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I know and that is what sounded fake (backburner). And the reason ABR sounded genuine is because he acted at the very beginning and it seemed that he was trying to open setup discussion which I do not think scum would do.

I like your response Socrates and am actually going to

elect: Socrates

I have Gamma and Woodboy as scum because of individual posts, and because of WOodboys eagarness to get pressure of Gamma.

Will be fine lynching either of them.

I understand the stuff with Woodboys, but what individual posts do you have issues with?

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Don't bid 301 on neigbhorizer, its not even worth bidding on. Bid 301 or 302 or 303 on tracker, JK and commuter. Especially neighborizer. Scum can't pick that up for cheap, we must make them pay.

What?

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I don't know how to bold in QuickTopic.

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Albert, real quick, do you understand that these powers are all one-shot?

No they are not. Only today they happen to be.

No. All the powers are one or two shot.

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What? Then what is the point?

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HOLY FUCK
It's a one shot role

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I think I might go for tracker today

this post reeks of scum

What use does scum have for tracker?

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I think I might go for tracker today

this post reeks of scum

What use does scum have for tracker?

so town doesnt have it. they dont have to bid a lot, they have 800 so just stealing town roles that can catch them is optimal

either way, that's not the reason. and honestly the response is kinda making me scumread you more. I feel like there was no reason or need to say that, i feel you said it to try and sound town.

VOTE: gamma

Alright what is the reason?

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I see what Socrates is saying. It's that Vecna's analysis is not a town tell since either side can do it.

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I don't get that ultimatum Gerry. That would just motivate scum to not vote you.

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Sorry my will has been crushed a bit so I'm going to need something here to light my fire

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A fiery conflict might get me going
Plus there isn't much to work with here currently

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VOTE: ABR

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I could be down with voting Gerry
Don't get why he'd make that ultimatum that he did.

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Gamma, can you link me to a town game of yours where you lost motivation so early? Otherwise I'm treating you as confirmed scum.

tywin, do you have any reasons for scum!gerry other than that post feeling forced?

What did you think of my reasons for townreading you?

I started with little drive. Also, I'm not uber into the mafia scene: I've kinda gotten over my super excited phase. I don't spam as much anymore. I think playing on a site with a restriction against spamming helped me even if it was part of a game.

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I haven't had a complete game since then. I just got here about a week ago.

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viewtopic.php?f=53&t=69456&start=25
Tywin's post about scumreading me reminded me of this game. I think I wasn't super active in Cephrir's Large Normal. Is that right Tywin?

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I have the MOST posts here.

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Is that directed at me or ABR?

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Also I'm a little disturbed by how long it took you to post that response.

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Is that directed at me or ABR?

Each part is directed at the quote above it.

Also I'm a little disturbed by how long it took you to post that response.

I was playing hearthstone -_-

That's cool. I like to play Candy Crush and Plants VS. Zombies.

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@Vecna what do you normally do to get reads?

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I think if gamma could change his meta, he would. I've caught him at least once before for the exact same reasons.

Thing is, in my earliest scumgames I managed to emulate my towngame, so something must have caused a drop in my scum performance.

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Reads so far
Elena Scum for an empty elect vote
ABR Scum for faulty theory
Vecna town because he just doesn't seem to be trying to push an agenda
Gerry scum for the antitown ultimatum.
Not much beyond this, I'll try to keep things updated as much as possible

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Tywin feels like town since I feel he would have discussed running for owner with his scumbuddies and not rushed in immediately.

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Likely checking out for the night/morning

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Why would you joke about that? Posting that is antitown, full stop.

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VOTE: gerryoat
I'm more sure on this than ABR currently

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Why would you joke about that? Posting that is antitown, full stop.

LOL he is literally hardclaiming scum. Gamma KNOWS i joke every game i'm in.

Yeah, but that type of joke is anti town.

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LOL that's the type of retort you are sinking to?

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Thing is Tracker is rather crap for BOTH sides. Town has a 1/13,12,11... chance of making the power work.

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elect: socrates

Why?

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Go with the obvious answer.

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My first scum game I did all of that

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@Socrates: I noted you disliked the wagon on me. It seems to be a 1 v 1 between me and Gerry at this point, so if you really think I am a mislynch Gerry is the way to go.

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That was a rather pitiful vote.
Tywin might be scum here.

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You made a vanity wagon.
Woodboys had a vote already, why didn't you vote him?

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Day ends in 0 days, 19 hours, 50 minutes hours.

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1) I don't scumread Wood
2) Gerry was the largest wagon besides mine.

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Gerry is town. Elena is my biggest SR. Woodboys is my compromise. You being the only real wagon means I TR you, but you're saying Elena is a vanity wagon while not caring that Vecna has two votes? He's obv town.

I think Vecna is town too.

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Nvm read elect vote wrong. But Vecna votes are bad. Why call mine vanity while ignoring others?

Because I'm curious who you think is going to abondon their current vote for a wagon on Elena, besides me.

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If we are referring to Infinity as the one driving my wagon, I have no clue whether it's Town or scum driven. I do definitely believe there is scum on my wagon (*cough* Gerry *cough*). As for the rest I'd guess at least one is placing an empty bus vote. I do suspect Momo for the turnaround on the Socrates election.

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I mentioned I scumread the slot

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I mentioned I scumread the slot

What makes Gerry scummier than Elena?

I voted Gerry over Elena because I scumread him more as well as it being the biggest wagon on one of my scumreads.

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I'll see if I can't form reads on all slots soon

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Alright I'm going to have to put a speed boost on my self

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Feel Prism might be Town with a bit of confusion. His delayed vote on Tywin feels like town who thought "I should probably vote this guy since I SR him".

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Feel like Momo could be scum with Socrates based on the election turnaround
I think I stated this before but it can't hurt to reiterate.

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I don't see why people are voting RC. I feel like the only possible logic would be he's doing the lurk followed by big post scum pattern, and I feel it too early to make that diagnosis.

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I'm with Socrates that Woodboys feels like newbtown here

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WAIT
WHY IS SOCRATES VOTING WOODBOYS
VOTE: Socrates
ALL ABOARD!

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VOTE: Socrates

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UNVOTE: Gamma it seems RVS is over

Look at this baby bird. So cute. Newbie-town tell.

VOTE: wood

This is scum.

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VOTE: gamma

Why is this?
@ABR Socrates naked voted his townread, who flipped Town.

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Scum would choose not to elect to look unique and towny
Thoughts on Socrates are obvious, not sure if I said anything about Prism yet.

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Yay now I'm the counterwagon to Socrates

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Also the game Vecna referred to where I was scum just ended

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Lol

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Btw I tried to make a bid on all items so they would not be lost, but it's after the hammer so I'm not sure if it counts

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Also, Gamma's vote on me is bananas.

Bad bananas?

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I didn't tell you to vote your townread: that was your call.

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I said to vote Gerry. There was also a RedCoyote wagon that flared up.

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I fully cop to misunderstanding to situation. Now, are you going to call me a liar about that, or are you going to try to argue that my choice made no sense given my stated perspective?

Pick one.

Your choice made little sense. Did you realize your tell was wrong, did something else change your read, or did you just forget?

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So you trusted your read on me more? Is that right?

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viewtopic.php?f=3&t=70998

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Now are you going to unvote me or not?

Who is scum

other than

me, Gamma?

Pardon?

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I'm curious why you said other than, while also asking if I would unvote.

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UNVOTE:
@Infinity: Because I felt this one was more imperative.

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Because I don't know which person I scumread most atm

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Um look at the fact I voted Socrates at the end of Day 1.

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this night was fast as fuck, but yeh soc and gamma are both scum.

Curious why you're surprised about night speed, you joined a blitz, you should expect fast gameplay.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, Momo, Gerry, Tywin, Coyote, Prism.

That's six.

I've been hammered. Great. Way to go. Don't bother waiting for me to respond or ask for a prod or even wait for the mid-day update or anything like that.

IMO If Socrates is scum there would be one scum on and one off his wagon, maybe both off.
I'd say that either Desperado or Elena is scum off the wagon, and Momo, Prism, or Gerry could be scum on the wagon.

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As for if Socrates isn't scum, I'd say 2:1 on to off the Socrates wagon.
Will work on who it would be
But I'm changing my mind on Elena being scum with Socrates: I doubt she'd make her last post If she were.

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Anyway I'm likely going to hit the hay

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Imo if Socrates isn't scum I'd expect momo, RC, and Elena to be scum
Since momo is a suspect in both scenarios I'm voting her
VOTE: momo

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Gamma dropped the argument and moved elsewhere the second I actually put my foot down.

I haven't fully dropped it: I made scumteam inferences based on you being scum.

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@Prism: how would you read me before and after my Socrates push, as that's p much where I shifted.

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Can you explain why RC is scummy?

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Can you back either of those up?

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I kinda just gave up on my initial read after thinking it over and feeling my reasoning was stupid.

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A wagon that has been a leading wagon the entire game but never got to lynch is a great place to find scum.

Maybe it is. Let's note you are a major part of

why

I've been a leading wagon so much.

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And what makes you Town instead of scum who has been keeping pressure on me so you can use me always being a wagon as a case against me?

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Why do you think I would have been lynched? Given that lynches can't happen until the deadline run out in the first few days, what makes you think I couldn't have recovered from L-0?

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Tywin and Vecna had noted the wagon on me, and scum couldn't kill both night 1. One would have been left to prosecute my wagon.

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Being on my wagon when I was lynched would put a definite target on their back.

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It would put more of a target on the main pushers of the wagon, really.

Why do you say this? Wouldn't the logical route be to push the ones who were on with no/poor reasoning, or something along those lines?

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And Tywin/Vecna would have pushed the people on my wagon. I

just love

how as I begin to corner your logic you call the argument dumb.

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Tywin hasn't pushed the people on my wagon since Socrates was the focus of today.
Imo we should use the rest of the day to discuss people other than Socrates.
I showed suspicion of you in630.
Infinity, say you lynch me and I flip town. Who would you suspect?

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I'd like to know why RC, since I've seen many scum reads on him but little reasoning.

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As for suspecting you, it was a small thought until you talked about finding Scum in the leading wagon that never got lynched.

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@Gerry why did you turn around so easily onto me

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At the current votes Socrates reached 4 first so he will be lynched if my wagon doesn't pass his

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Evoker means Nahdia's game where you were playing as Sondam.

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viewtopic.php?f=23&t=69209

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@Gerry why did you turn around so easily onto me

What?? lol, I've wanted you lynched day 1 but Tywin and Vecna kept crying about not lynching you, so what are you talking about? I've explained my read on you

Why even bother voting Socrates then?

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I've seen Gerry as scum at least once

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Actually I have seen him as scum in Mini 1860

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In 1860 Gerry quickhammered his mechanically guiltied partner (claimed bodyguard, I ended up vig shooting the doc, disproving his scummate).

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And after that we encountered major resistance from him and his buddy, having to spend two days lynching him, and I just barely came in to hammer the second day.

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What happens if 2 people tie for most votes? NL?

Person to reach that amount first is lynched. I've played enough Pokemon Showdown! mafia to know this.

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It's also in the rules

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I'm not sure on Socrates. I'm sure on Momo.

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Momo's play seems to be coming from scum. He's been buddying a lot, and he switched his opinion on Socrates so oddly I don't think he can be Town.
As for playing with him, I have, but I don't really care for meta on him.

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First few out of >100
Are they THAT bad?

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VOTE: Gamma

I want a lynch and hopefully when this flips town we can move on so people who are tunneling this don't have an excuse

Momo will have majority if you vote her again.

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Elena isn't online so I guess I'll have to go with the less sure vote.
VOTE: Socrates

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I HAVE THE JK

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Momo confscum

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LOL
I was accused of having less effort when this town had little effort to go around

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Release it