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[aronagrundy]

Anyway part 2 of why lq is scum based on lexa

so, they later vote lexa again in 1831, which I assume is in response to lexa's like single substantive post.

They then vote lowell in 1908 and push him pretty hard.

[aronagrundy]

lq i was looking for resistance to the lexa wagon and you provided it and then voted lexa later for shitty reasoning a day after you complained about it. It's inconsistent

[aronagrundy]

Anyway part 2 of why lq is scum based on lexa

so, they later vote lexa again in 1831, which I assume is in response to lexa's like single substantive post.

They then vote lowell in 1908 and push him pretty hard.

Read that wall post by Lexa, it was completely uninspired.

well yes, they did flip scum? It just seemed like an omgus at the time because you gave no reasoning behind your vote

[aronagrundy]

No I don't think you had valid reasons. They contradict each other, or you didn't provide them.

I'm sort of talking to myself actually

[aronagrundy]

@lq

You didn't support it and then you supported it

[aronagrundy]

You vote lexa to force them to give content but they're still on v/la, when literally the day before you were calling lexa votes a shitty push on someone who was v/la

[aronagrundy]

V/LA from game start through Wednesday the 12th btw

Your vote was on wednesday (the last day of v/la). They hadn't posted yet.

[aronagrundy]

wait

[aronagrundy]

lexa might have actually posted lol

[aronagrundy]

whoops

[aronagrundy]

I forgot to actually check when lexa started posting again lol so i lost that battle

I still think lq is more likely to flip scum because of his jump on lowell (and his relative aggression w/r/t lynchign lowell) and this still doesn't feel like town!lq

[aronagrundy]

have you ever played another game with lowell before lq?

[aronagrundy]

@lq

yeah i checked and found the post where you said this. Eddie answered after and said he played with town!lowell and that it was a similar deal, but the post where you talk about not playing with lowell for the rest of the day is your last d1 i think so idk what to make of it

[aronagrundy]

Can we bring back the podo wagon

[aronagrundy]

Podo>>>>>Lickety>Transcend>Creature>Gerry>Peregrine>>>>>Fire>Eddie

This is where my head is at. Honestly this game is really tricky because I usually feel a lot more comfortable looking at relationships with scum and we only have lexa to go off of. I don't see a reality that podo is town in though.

[aronagrundy]

Just a glance at the umlaut wagon tells me that there's at least one scum in {lq/trans}

[aronagrundy]

Eddie let's talk

[aronagrundy]

Jokes on you I just wanted an excuse to make my ~1000th~ post

[aronagrundy]

But 4real what are your thoughts on podo

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: podo

[aronagrundy]

Do you want me to do it

[aronagrundy]

Also, the lack of activity makes me think scum is trying to hit the deadline and either force a no lynch or try to get everyone to compromise on lynching town

So we should probably lynch someone soon. Everyone knows where my vote is at

[aronagrundy]

@mod: vc please

[aronagrundy]

Sure, why podoboq?

I'm on my phone so I can't really post a ton of quotes, but I didn't like his play d1 and he's done nothing to change that. People are saying his d3 outburst and d4 reaction to being fake hammered are town but I don't see it, and it's worth noting after both these instances where he's gained towncred he lays low.

There's a post in my ISO about why lexa's progression on Ava is suspect as well

[aronagrundy]

Also, if scum are trying to make us compromise lynch, that means gerryoat is town?

Not necessarily. It's possible Gerry is scum and scum was/is planning to deflect off that

Now that I think about it if both podo and Gerry are scum, the lack of activity could be scum either accepting their loss without giving up info, or they'll try to keep the 3way vote split. But it could also be lazy town so idk.

[aronagrundy]

Also, if scum are trying to make us compromise lynch, that means gerryoat is town?

Not necessarily. It's possible Gerry is scum and scum was/is planning to deflect off that

Now that I think about it if both podo and Gerry are scum, the lack of activity could be scum either accepting their loss without giving up info, or they'll try to keep the 3way vote split. But it could also be lazy town so idk.

I actually really do not like this post

I'm sorry you feel that way

[aronagrundy]

Bus 101

Who's bussing who

[aronagrundy]

I mean like it doesn't detract my town read on you but what the goddamn hell was that post

Train of thought mostly. Should note that I was sort of pushing back against creature because I didn't (and don't) like his recent tone re: gerry

[aronagrundy]

He didn't do it just to "town his slot up" though. He did it because he was l-1

[aronagrundy]

or l-2. Whatever, he was in danger of being lynched

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: podo

This is L-1. Claim incoming. There's gonna be a wall.

Ok fair enough, I was kinda conflating it in my mind with claiming. My point really is that your appeal post wasn't unprompted

[aronagrundy]

where is everyone lmao

[aronagrundy]

Isn't peregrine v/la on weekends?

[aronagrundy]

But podo, you've been sitting back the past couple days too. You only show up when you get brought up. You're playing 100% defensively

[aronagrundy]

But podo, you've been sitting back the past couple days too. You only show up when you get brought up. You're playing 100% defensively

Did you read anything I wrote or did you just intend to poorly TL;DR my post so that people don't pay attention to it?

Why is the burden of proving myself or else get lynched on me alone instead of also being on gerryoat, who also claims to townread me.

Everyone has been sitting back the past couple days, but I'm uniquely scummy for feeling dejected and removed from this game and doing the same thing?

When you're always the top wagon, every thing you do is a reaction, so saying I'm only playing defensively is ignoring the context of the situation.

It was more a knock on you not caring honestly. I brought up playing defensively because it feels like you're really quick to respond when people mention you and it's giving me the impression that you're reading the thread closely and purposefully avoiding making any pushes on people

[aronagrundy]

I think podo is bad town

if podo is scum transcend is also scum

so if you want to lynch podo, lynch transcend. transcend flipping town almost clears him.

I agree with that transcend is scum if podo is scum. Why do you think that podo is town if transcend is town?

I also think that if podo is town then lq is scum

[aronagrundy]

My thought process goes in reverse (my reads are more dependent on podo flipping) but if we aren't going to lynch podo I would do transcend

[aronagrundy]

I do think the first possibility is more likely than you're giving it credit for since I do think podo is reading the thread closely

[aronagrundy]

Podo>>>>>Lickety>Transcend>Creature>Gerry>Peregrine>>>>>Fire>Eddie

This is where my head is at. Honestly this game is really tricky because I usually feel a lot more comfortable looking at relationships with scum and we only have lexa to go off of. I don't see a reality that podo is town in though.

Someone is getting lynched today. This is my preference (although rn I would say lq and transcend are switchable in my mind) as to who.

[aronagrundy]

fire get in here

[aronagrundy]

podo what are your lynch preferences

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: creature

[aronagrundy]

Tbh if podo is town then fire being scum does make sense

[aronagrundy]

Well if you're town I'd be surprised if there was no scum on your wagon

[aronagrundy]

Ugh I'm going to be second guessing myself about podo for the rest of the game aren't i

[aronagrundy]

Ok I'm willing to accept the possibility of town!podo

Two town just died swearing he was town

This means fire is more likely to be scum

[aronagrundy]

Transcend I swear to god unvote

[aronagrundy]

I think it's hard to believe that no scum has been pushing podo if he'd town, and at this point that leaves fire

[aronagrundy]

Unrelated to podo but fire was actively avoiding the thread yesterday

[aronagrundy]

I need to look closer at the wagons

[aronagrundy]

But I'm on my phone rn

[aronagrundy]

Podo what are your thoughts on transcend

[aronagrundy]

I have no idea what to think other than the push on Gerry gives me a bad feeling. Also I've never made it to lylo before (as town)

[aronagrundy]

Like everyone is pushing Gerry but no one is voting him

Which sounds like there's scum distancing but I'm concerned that Gerry is town and scum is just waiting for one townie to vote him

[aronagrundy]

Hmmm

same

[aronagrundy]

Like LQ hasn't felt like the town!lq I know for most of the game but I've been just as wary of transcend

But I'm afraid that if one of them is town and I put transcend to l-1, it's literally game over

[aronagrundy]

I've been entertaining fire/transcend/lq being a team but honestly that makes no sense because why would scum!transcend switch his read and bus his partner with his partner

[aronagrundy]

So if lq is scum, fire and transcend aren't teamed

[aronagrundy]

im not really sure there exists a world where me, fire, and podo are all town

[aronagrundy]

Sup

[aronagrundy]

Who's ready for the blitz of the century lmao

[aronagrundy]

too bad

[aronagrundy]

Anyway,

So I've been thinking more about the possibility of podo/fire/me all being town, and I just can't see it. Scum sitting back and letting the TvT (me/fire vs podo) unfold is one thing, but there has been consistent resistance to lynching podo this entire game. Why would scum waste a mislynch like that? So podo is scum to me.

I will say if I'm wrong, the scumteam has to be transcend/peregrine, because the only reason scum would just not bother trying to mislynch podo is if there were members of the team that were generally townread.

[aronagrundy]

Also podo's case on me is like 2/3 playstyle. I'm also definitely not the only one who doesn't quote anything lmao

The only "misreps" he's giving evidence for are against him so I don't really care about responding to them since I think he's scum. I will admit that I overthink everything and struggle sometimes to put my thoughts into words.

Honestly beyond my arguments with podo the only other thing I've done that could count as a misrep is my argument with lq d4 where I didn't check to see when lexa was posting

[aronagrundy]

I've been entertaining the idea of peregrine/podo recently, because if podo does end up flipping red peregrine has an easy path to the win with transcend vs gerry being TvT

[aronagrundy]

Aronagrundy -

1. You seemed to not trust Fire that much. Can you walk me through what exactly made you think that he might have been scum?

2. Between myself and LQ, who were you leaning towards voting yesterday? If the answer is me, what was your reaction when you saw LQ flip scum?

1. Because eddie and creature both swore podo was town with basically their dying breath and I second guessed myself. It goes back to the how unlikely I think it is that podo/me/fire are all town. If podo was town, I feel like there had to be at least one mafia pushing their slot, and the only people really doing that d4 were fire and myself.

2. LQ. When he was brought to l-1, I was tempted to hammer but was afraid of literally losing the game for town right then and there. I'd been talking about it all game but I've played with town!lq before and it was so, so different. Here he just didn't care. Plus I didn't like his actions day 1 when I looked further at them d4. But then I fell asleep and when I woke up he had self hammered lol

[aronagrundy]

I want to wait for peregrine to come back so I'm not placing my vote for a while

Also because I'm lazy

[aronagrundy]

Oh wait

Vote Count 1.23

VO

TE

COU

NT

1.23

Eddie Cane (1):

Lil Uzi Vert

Lowell (9):[/color]

Fykus,

Avagantimos,

Creature,

PeregrineV,

LicketyQuickety,

Umlaut,

Lexa

,

chickadee,

Transcend
keyenpeydee (1): gerryoat
Umlaut (2):

keyenpeydee, Lowell

Avagantimos (4):

aronagrundy, Firebringer, Alisae, Eddie Cane

Not Voting (0):

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.[/color]

Day 1 is over.

Lowell has been lynched! Everyone else carries his dead body to the fire pit, and proceeds to cook him, rotisserie style. They then enjoy his flavorful human meat. Bunch of cannibals, the lot of ya!

Lowell's role was...

Spoiler: Flip

Role PM

• You are a
  Vanilla Townie
  .
  
  
  Abilities:
  • You possess no special abilities other than your vote and your voice.
  Win condition:
  
  You are aligned with the
  Town
  and win when all threats to the
  Town
  have been eliminated and at least one
  Town
  -aligned player is alive.

Night 1 has begun. Please send in any night actions to me via PM.

Also, I offer quick nights in all my moderated games. If everyone sends me a PM requesting a quick night I will end it early. Otherwise, night ends in (expired on 2017-04-17 15:00:00)

At least 3 scum were on the lowell wagon which points to scum!podo (if podo was town, I feel like scum would spread their votes more because that wasn't exactly a lynch that was experiencing massive resistance)

I forget what gerry was doing at the end of d1 (I think he had stopped posting actually? idk) but this does make gerry/podo more believable because the idea of all 4 scum being on the lowell wagon truly is absurd

[aronagrundy]

Oh ok so I checked and gerry popped in the page before the lynch and voted key lmao

[aronagrundy]

The lack of scum votes on ava is really weird to me

[aronagrundy]

It's more the zero scum presence on the Ava wagon thats concerning

[aronagrundy]

And yeah I get it

[aronagrundy]

but i'm only confirmed scum in HIS pov

no one else's

aka his logic as a case is faulty.

i have reasons to suggest to the entire group that he is scum.

he only has reasons that support his pov and not really anyone else's.

I mean I understand that you two can't both be town

[aronagrundy]

Btw podo I'm confirmed town to you too

Since I'm confirmed town in both Gerry and transcend's pov and one of them is town

[aronagrundy]

That logic is correct, right?

[aronagrundy]

if that was the case i would honestly be content with losing because that would be pretty funny

[aronagrundy]

oh

[aronagrundy]

I mean I'm still hung up on why there were no scum on podo's d1 wagon

Transcend moved off of it to hammer but that makes no sense as a scum move...? Alisae was going to hammer anyway so scum!transcend probably doesn't hammer here

[aronagrundy]

I think I'm going to hammer

[aronagrundy]

If I'm wrong, sorry y'all, but I've been hung up on this for almost the entire game

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: podo

[aronagrundy]

makes sense

[aronagrundy]

sorry podo

[aronagrundy]

well at least I figured out that if it wasn't podo it was peregrine/transcend

[aronagrundy]

ALL 4 SCUM ON THE D1 LYNCH LMAO ROFL

vca is dead truly

hammering lowell was smart

[aronagrundy]

lmao fuck you transcend my paranoia about you buddying me was justified all along

[aronagrundy]

oh

[aronagrundy]

i don't know what's true anymore

[aronagrundy]

ok transcum

[aronagrundy]

also fun fact

I'm pretty sure I played a game on this site with you in 2011

[aronagrundy]

Sampson

It was a large normal I think, lowell was in it. I dug it up after I was playing with lowell and recognized his avatar and then I recognized your old username when I looked at your wiki page

[aronagrundy]

I lynched scum!transcend before it was cool

[aronagrundy]

You're a lot less tryhard now

it's more fun this way. I overthink things too much anyway

[aronagrundy]

it's ok the entire game was a shitpost

[aronagrundy]

K you guys do your 1v1, I'm going to look at your ISOs and try not to disappoint the dead thread

[aronagrundy]

Why do you say that?

[aronagrundy]

Why do you say that?

look at the way he had you wrapped around is finger the end of yesterday? why the hell would i keep you alive?

Because I've been paranoid about him buddying me all game?

I was asking because I don't think I really gave an indication of where I was leaning yesterday

[aronagrundy]

Aron, ask yourself why you as IC is alive over PV, who was not 100% clear yet.

Podo's flip cleared him tho?

[aronagrundy]

Eh there's no use arguing what I was thinking yesterday lol

[aronagrundy]

Now I dare you to tell me why you thought podoboq was town

I agree with you he was towny at some points, but you townread him the ENTIRE GAME when he was literal garbage at some points

What made him hard!town to you

Please, elaborate

Explain your progression on podo too

[aronagrundy]

I have to look closer at y'all

Which won't happen tonight lol

[aronagrundy]

what type of shitty ate is that

[aronagrundy]

aronagrundy

is busy

[aronagrundy]

I was home this weekend and didn't have access to a computer

Will start reading tonight

[aronagrundy]

gerry while I reread can you try and explain scum!transcend's motivation during day 5

[aronagrundy]

Vote Count 5.02

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5.02

LicketyQuickety (4): Firebringer, Transcend, podoboq, LicketyQuickety
Transcend (1): gerryoat

Not Voting (2): PeregrineV, aronagrundy

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day has ended.

The craziest thing happened. There was a guy named LicketyQuickety. Guess what people did. They quickly licked him the next day. I MEAN HE WAS SO FLAVORFUL HOW COULD YOU NOT LICK HIM. ESPECIALLY QUICKLY. THAT WAS A QUICK DAY. TO LICK QUICKLY.

MMMMM

Drooooooollll

LickeytQuickety's role was...

Spoiler: Flip

Sample Role PM

• You are a
  Mafia Universal Backup
  .
  
  
  Abilities:
  • You share a Private Topic with your fellow
    Maifoso
    . You share a PT with them located [redacted].
    
  • If any
    Mafia
    -aligned power role dies, you inherit that player's role and ability(ies).
    
  • If any ability is X-shot, you only inherit the remaining number of shots. If zero shots are left, you still inherit the role, but with zero shots remaining.
    
  • Once each night your team has a factional night kill, meaning one of you may target a player to perform a night-kill.
  Win condition:
  
  You are aligned with the
  Mafia
  and win when the
  Mafia
  controls at least 50% of the town.

Night 5 has begun. Please send in any night actions to me via PM.

Also, I offer quick nights in all my moderated games. If everyone sends me a PM requesting a quick night I will end it early. Otherwise, night ends in (expired on 2017-05-11 20:00:00)

Obviously lq was on transcends wagon before. I didn't really give an indication as to where I was leaning (which was lq btw) and I forget what peregrine was saying

[aronagrundy]

Ok literally all he said was that he didn't think lq was scum and that he'd reread

[aronagrundy]

I feel like scum!transcend could've pivoted to Gerry tho

Like they literally would only need fire's vote

And I feel like peregrine would've gone for it

But he goes after lq instead

[aronagrundy]

Tbh I'm leaning toward lq self hammering to incriminate transcend

I'm not sure doing that w/ scum transcend even has any tangible benefits

[aronagrundy]

transcend, you're lucky that aron can't think clearly, because that literally makes no sense. how will a self hammer incriminate transcend at all. if he lynches Transcend there, he can brag about it, (JUST LIKE TRANSCEND IS DOING NOW!!!)

That's sort of my point tho?

[aronagrundy]

No that lq not self hammering has benefits

[aronagrundy]

Bragging about it

Dragging out a convincing scum theater

[aronagrundy]

but you just said that lq bragging about lynching scum!transcend would give him towncred

[aronagrundy]

i'm reading through podo/ava's iso, should be a riot

[aronagrundy]

The only stuff I have a heavy opinion on right now revolves around the LUV wagon, and people's response to his claim.

Let me take a stab at this:

page 1: fire is town, ali tries too hard, trans prob scum
page 2: lickety is newbtown
page 3: creature prob scum, fire's 59 is bad
page 4: trans' 77 is bad, 79 is sick burn,
page 5: lil prob scum
page 6: aron town
page 7: meh
page 8: eddie prob town
page 9: ?
page 10: meh, ali town I guess
page 11: dont understand the ali/aron thing
page 12: meh
page 13: lil's 300 trying to look casual, is scum
page 14: ditto 341

VOTE: Lil

The cases are garbage. All the cases. But LuV is tonally off. He's trying to emoticon and joke his way into the realm of carefree town. It works for Ali, and maybe even for eddie and fire, but not this guy.

I think this read on LUV makes sense. When I read it, I wanted to vote for LUV.

I'm not bluffing. The wagon pissed me off and if town loses because of it, so be it. People need to stop acting like they can read me and stop pushing NAI reasons.

This post, and his claim, seemed like genuine frustrated town to me. It's the first thing he posted in the game that felt like it probably couldn't have come from scum. So while I townread LUV for this, I still townread Lowell for pushing it, because before this post, LUV looked like a good wagon.

Spoiler: Transcend & Alisae

Scum on your wagon is either Creature or Lowell. I'll sort those two later.

Lowell I could see being scum.

okay alisae let's play a game

VOTE: Lowell

VOTE: Lowell
Challenge Accepted.

VOTE: Alisae

ah but it is a giant trap that you've fallen into

OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

jokes

VOTE: Lowell

VOTE: lowell

alisae and transcend. lets make a pact to never vote each other. deal?

I don't like this entire interaction. I think there's an attempt here to turn the LUV wagon into a counterwagon on Lowell, and I think there's at least one scum among Transcend, Alisae, and gerryoat.

tldr, Lowell's town, LUV is town, the votes on Lowell are bad.
VOTE: Transcend

ok so

1. obviously town should have noticed that he dismisses all the votes on luv as bad and then votes outside the wagon
2. was podo aware of the fact that we'd end up with a 1v1 transcend vs gerry lylo because he literally declares there is scum in alisae/transcend/gerry
3. He kind of FoSes gerry while voting transcend

[aronagrundy]

but then he votes transcend so is he bussing? i hate this

[aronagrundy]

ava's early day 1 iso is him tunneling transcend which is interesting because his day 2 iso is basically the same thing

no mention of gerry actually

[aronagrundy]

hm i think his bus on you day 2 points to you being town

town was clearly lynching chickadee and i think voting a town player here is a good way to implicate them in the event of your lynch

and then day 3 when his lynch looked inevitable he drops that and votes gerry (basically the first time he mentions him since wayyy early day 1)

[aronagrundy]

also gerry was vocally pushing for the chickadee lynch and pushed umlaut over ava

[aronagrundy]

umlaut's lynch was really dumb in retrospect

[aronagrundy]

i'm still reading

[aronagrundy]

i'm assuming podo came into day 4 assuming he'd be the lynch

oh the two end of the day wagons before creature were podo and gerry

and lq and podo jump to creature

[aronagrundy]

if gerry was town i feel like his wagon at that point wouldn't have so much resistance?

[aronagrundy]

like discussion stalled at that point

[aronagrundy]

alright

at this point i'm going to hammer because gerry being scum makes more sense here. The situations in which transcend is scum are all super WIFOM-y (like hammering lowell, his entire endgame), but with gerry it's the simplest explanation most of the time (pushing for chickadee and umlaut, end of day 4), also his progression on lq is bad

also gerry's been less convincing this day. I didn't like how he appealed to my paranoia about transcend buddying in the way he did.

If you're scum, congrats transcend

VOTE: gerry

[aronagrundy]

would like to give a shoutout to podo, you actually were really good at surviving wayyyyy past your expiration date this game

[aronagrundy]

transcend i swear to god

[aronagrundy]

if you're scum i'm pretty sure i have a post where i nail the scumteam that will be hilarious in retrospect

[aronagrundy]

WELP

sorry gerry!

[aronagrundy]

Podo>>>>>Lickety>Transcend>Creature>Gerry>Peregrine>>>>>Fire>Eddie

This is where my head is at. Honestly this game is really tricky because I usually feel a lot more comfortable looking at relationships with scum and we only have lexa to go off of. I don't see a reality that podo is town in though.

lol

[aronagrundy]

but i will say the satisfaction from podo flipping scum almost makes up for this!

[aronagrundy]

not really

[aronagrundy]

yeah i think you saw where my mind was headed once i started talking about the lowell wagon

[aronagrundy]

also can we please agree to not let claiming at l-2 become the new site meta

[aronagrundy]

It was more that you hammered with alisae saying he was going to hammer

i don't use vca without protection

[aronagrundy]

lol at the first two days consisting of 1. scum lol hammering, 2. scum bussing their partner for lol hammering 3. that same scum lol hammering

[aronagrundy]

lmao @ your avatar

[aronagrundy]

yeah but that's accepted site meta lmao

[aronagrundy]

also yeah if you vigged transcend town probably would have won

but you shot scum anyway so no complaints

[aronagrundy]

I honestly don't remember why we lynched umlaut either

[aronagrundy]

VOTE: arona

him or lq need rope thanks.

transcend might b scum o.o btw xD

if transcend flips scum powerlynch pod

if you flip town im 85% sure transcends scum

I think podo is bad town

if podo is scum transcend is also scum

so if you want to lynch podo, lynch transcend. transcend flipping town almost clears him.

well, to be fair, this much was obvious and I'm disappointed you didn't (publicly at least) look at it. based on their interactions and posting podo needed transcend to be scum for podo scum to work.

oh well tho. it happens. gg!

I kept in mind (and spent a lot of early game associating the two actually) but decided against it in the end lmao

My thought process was always the inverse though (that is start with podo) which is probably why i could see transcend as town

[aronagrundy]

Lol at least wait til I'm here when you're finally active. Gg tho

In an ideal world I would've hammered when neither of you were active. I overthink too much