Mini 1907: Oddrole Mafia IV (Game over)

[GuiltyLion]

Because he's scum. Duh.

From my standpoint, with the information I have, I have to conclude this to be true.

yes, "your standpoint" where you are saying you are town and java is also conftown (when he's not)

You don't get to unilaterally hammer without warning like that and trying to do so is a literal scumclaim. We are fortunate you messed up with your double vote otherwise you may have already won

[eagerSnake]

VC 2.08

Almost50 (4) [L-1]: Javajoe24, Creature, Chickadee, Chickadee
Chickadee (2) [L-3]: Desperado, GuiltyLion
Javajoe24 (1) [L-4]: Almost50

Not Voting (2): TheBrie, SnarkySnowman

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline in (expired on 2017-06-03 16:50:45).

When double voting please use the format VOTE: (player) (player).

[GuiltyLion]

stole the pagetop

[Creature]

I believe he thinks you were goo and Podo targetted you last night before getting killed by scum.

I thought only who targeted podo would be recruited.

[Chickadee]

Because he's scum. Duh.

From my standpoint, with the information I have, I have to conclude this to be true.

yes, "your standpoint" where you are saying you are town and java is also conftown (when he's not)

You don't get to unilaterally hammer without warning like that and trying to do so is a literal scumclaim. We are fortunate you messed up with your double vote otherwise you may have already won

First, never said java was confirmed, I said it was a leap but I was putting him in the town pile.

Second, its not a literal scum claim. It's an action that you take as scummy.


I've given up on trying to convince anyone I'm town. I'm an easy target, and mafia has been running with it, and town is letting them. So whatever.

[GuiltyLion]

I believe he thinks you were goo and Podo targetted you last night before getting killed by scum.

I thought only who targeted podo would be recruited.

No, anyone who targets goo becomes an exact copy of the goo. The most likely explanation given Brie's census is that podo targeted goo and became goo on the night he died

You are trying to sow this confusion because you are goo

[Creature]

The most likely explanation given Brie's census is that podo targeted goo and became goo on the night he died

-_-

[Creature]

What does it have to do with podo/other goo targeting and making me a goo?

[GuiltyLion]

I have been thinking, and while I am most confident in chicka being scum, I am almost as confident in A50 being scum, and he has a killing ability that gives scum 2 kills a night, we need to eliminate that second kill today! Desperado should kill chicka tonight with his CPR ability.

Also this is a good point

VOTE: Almost50

VOTE: Almost50


And that's hammer I believe.

Sorry not sorry

. It make sense with my POE.

This is

absolutely

a literal scumclaim. You attempted to hammer

5 minutes

after I had made an L-2 vote, with no consideration for anyone else's opinions or whether it was a bad lynch. You even preemptively tried to sass here because you knew for a fact you were making a scummy as fuck quickhammer

[Creature]

Normal meaning:
Absolutely = Completely, totally, the most positive possible

Mafiascum meaning:
Absolutely = Probably wrong

[GuiltyLion]

like just think of it this way

Chick took massive's vote and then tried to use it to hammer another

different

player without any input from massive

in what world is that town-motivated?

[Creature]

Well, idk, I don't see myself instantly assuming that's a scumclaim.

[GuiltyLion]

you also seem to be completely fine with being in Chick's "these 4 people are confscum and I will hammer any of them without warning" pool so frankly I don't count your opinion for much

[Almost50]

Now I'm certain Chicka is Town, and with JJ already on her wagon I'd say GL is a Town lean too (though his pusj on her is giving me pause).

I'm also very wary of the fact Jj was pushing Chicka bc she stole massive's vote (i.e. I strongly believe massive to be group scum too), but I'm not quite sure who their 3rd could be.

wait what

how did Chicka go back to a townread again

You've never actually responded to any of my reasons for why she's scum

She's Town because Jj asked for her to be vigged. I mean, think about it (if you're town yourself). Jj's plan only works if both myself and Chicka are indeed scum. If one -just one- of us is Town then he is giving scum a free second kill (i.e. over the day and night cycle we will have 2 town flips vs 1 scum flip). I would have still been very skeptical if he had only called for my lynch over Chicka (yeah, a misguided townie could do that), but to call for BOTH of our heads is very VERY likely to come from a scum mindset. So, if Jj is scum and ordering a vig on Chicka then she must be Town. We already know she's not goo, and scum want to kill TOWN not goo (because scum can't be turned, so are not even threatened by goo).

Do you want to know how manipulative Jj is?? Watch for the next post.

[Chickadee]

GL, do you know know the meaning of the word "literally"?

[GuiltyLion]

Almost have you gotten to the part of the game where Chick tried to quickhammer you yet

[Almost50]

possible scum teams calculated by having no more than 1 person bussing a scum:

A50, Chicka, GL
A50, Chicka, SS
A50, Chicka, Creature
A50, Chicka, Javajoe
Chicka, GL, SS
Chicka, GL, Javajoe
Chicka, SS, Creature,
A50, GL, Javajoe

Chicka -7/8
A50 - 5/8
GL- 4/8
Javajoe - 3/8
SS - 3/8
Creature - 2/8

I may have missed a pairing, but that was all I could find where only one scum was bussed by a partner, let me know if I missed one and I will add it. I think this clearly shows that Chicka is the correct lynch today.

Wow, I was more groggy than I thought, I missed one that includes massive. Although if massive is scum, based on my hypothesis this would be the only possible scum team.

Other possible team:
Massive, SS, creature

This puts the total at

Chicka - 7/9
A50 - 5/9
GL - 4/9
SS - 4/9
Javajoe - 3/9
Creature - 3/9
Massive - 1/9

Which means chicka is still the best option for a lynch today.

Now, let's say we BOTH flip SCUM (me & Chicka). He has GL, SS & creature all lined up for lynch.
But -of course- he would be conf!Town in that case, and besides I know my own alignment, so not applicable.

Let's say I flip scum (again, I know it's not the case) and she flips Town.

According to his own analysis

, the ONLY team I cam be scum NOT with her is with HIM and GL.

Now let's consider the case where I'm Town and she is Scum. Again, GL, SS & creature are lynch candidates.

Finally, me & Chicka are TOWN. Whoops! Sorry. It must be massive, SS, creature then.

Notice in that case that he opts to CLEAR HIMSELF after we both flip green?? He also clears YOU (GL) on that basis. BRILLIANT. I guess that's why he went back to add that last team formation, as he realized his initial liat would have made him look ridiculous if he pushed us both and we both flipped Town, which he KNOWS to be the case.

So, I will counter Jj's move. I don't think this is going to be the best move, but -at least- it's better than his BS. Flip me, but do NOT vig Chicka. Force him to kill her himself. Don't give Scum a free kill (and easy win).

Agree?

[Almost50]

Oh right, A50 probably shot one of podo/Gingham. Either he shot podo (aka he's goo) or he shot Gingham (and then I wonder why he thinks I'm town who killed podo and became goo).

You seriously need to read FOR COMPREHENSION.

1-If I'm SCUM I could not have been turned goo.
2-If I'm Town, the turning resolves before the kill, meaning I would have been turned BEFORE I could kill podo.
3-If I'm neither Scum nor goo, there's no need for me to lie.
4-I didn't say you KILLED podo. I said you TARGETED him, but SCUM also shot him.

[Almost50]

Oh right, A50 probably shot one of podo/Gingham. Either he shot podo (aka he's goo) or he shot Gingham (and then I wonder why he thinks I'm town who killed podo and became goo).

I believe he thinks you were goo and Podo targetted you last night before getting killed by scum.
Nobody thought you shot Podo.

THAT. I'm REALLY pissed now and totally out of focus though. podo did defend SS for a reason, so it was him who was turned and not Creature.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Chickadee

even if Almost is scum, if scum kill and we are in 6-2-1 tomorrow, Chick can steal from town to make it effectively 5-3-1 and give scum control of the lynch. There's like a 20% chance A50 is town and given the attempted quickhammer I don't want to take that risk anymore.

Mister, if scum kill we will be 4-2-1 tomorrow. There are 9 alive players already (4 flopped already), so tomorrow it's 7 (or 6 if Desp does go with the CPR on Chicka).

[Almost50]

I believe he thinks you were goo and Podo targetted you last night before getting killed by scum.

I thought only who targeted podo would be recruited.

podo was TOWN and HE targeted you, so don't try to play obtuse. We ALL know you're not.

[Almost50]

I've given up on trying to convince anyone I'm town. I'm an easy target, and mafia has been running with it, and town is letting them. So whatever.

Yeah, and that's why you tried to hammer the ONLY PERSON who has been defending you. BRILLIANT!

I mean, you believe scum are running you up? Look who you voted WITH. They both moved from your wagon to mine. Do you even THINK before you act or even talk??

[Almost50]

like just think of it this way

Chick took massive's vote and then tried to use it to hammer another

different

player without any input from massive

in what world is that town-motivated?

You know what? Fuck it. We're probably losing this game anyway, and I might have been a jerk all along.

VOTE: Chicka

[Almost50]

I don't know if Java would bus his p so hard. Anyone with experience with him can please enlighten me? I know RC would have, and I know Titus would never have but neither is playing in this game.

[Javajoe24]

possible scum teams calculated by having no more than 1 person bussing a scum:

A50, Chicka, GL
A50, Chicka, SS
A50, Chicka, Creature
A50, Chicka, Javajoe
Chicka, GL, SS
Chicka, GL, Javajoe
Chicka, SS, Creature,
A50, GL, Javajoe

Chicka -7/8
A50 - 5/8
GL- 4/8
Javajoe - 3/8
SS - 3/8
Creature - 2/8

I may have missed a pairing, but that was all I could find where only one scum was bussed by a partner, let me know if I missed one and I will add it. I think this clearly shows that Chicka is the correct lynch today.

Wow, I was more groggy than I thought, I missed one that includes massive. Although if massive is scum, based on my hypothesis this would be the only possible scum team.

Other possible team:
Massive, SS, creature

This puts the total at

Chicka - 7/9
A50 - 5/9
GL - 4/9
SS - 4/9
Javajoe - 3/9
Creature - 3/9
Massive - 1/9

Which means chicka is still the best option for a lynch today.

Now, let's say we BOTH flip SCUM (me & Chicka). He has GL, SS & creature all lined up for lynch.
But -of course- he would be conf!Town in that case, and besides I know my own alignment, so not applicable.

Let's say I flip scum (again, I know it's not the case) and she flips Town.

According to his own analysis

, the ONLY team I cam be scum NOT with her is with HIM and GL.

Now let's consider the case where I'm Town and she is Scum. Again, GL, SS & creature are lynch candidates.

Finally, me & Chicka are TOWN. Whoops! Sorry. It must be massive, SS, creature then.

Notice in that case that he opts to CLEAR HIMSELF after we both flip green?? He also clears YOU (GL) on that basis. BRILLIANT. I guess that's why he went back to add that last team formation, as he realized his initial liat would have made him look ridiculous if he pushed us both and we both flipped Town, which he KNOWS to be the case.

So, I will counter Jj's move. I don't think this is going to be the best move, but -at least- it's better than his BS. Flip me, but do NOT vig Chicka. Force him to kill her himself. Don't give Scum a free kill (and easy win).

Agree?

I would like to thank you for how good you are saying I am at this game with this well thought out and constructed plan. I really wish it were true, but like you all seemed to think of me as derpy early in the game I fail to see how you can logically come to this conclusion. You are just flailing because you know your goose is cooked. I do not have to go to such extreme lengths to "manipulate" people, my method can be reproduced easily enough by any one of you, which means it is scientifically verifiable. I challenge you to use my method and I am sure you will come up with the exact same list. I challenge anyone that questions my alignment to use my method to do the same and you all will come up with the same list. Just remember to only include those votes up until I posted my list, otherwise the results may vary because other votes have been cast since I made that list.

Now, onto my concerns, it concerns me that chicka tried to quick hammer A50 because I know that there is a greater than 70% chance that chicka is scum. This can only be resolved in the fact that chicka knows that A50 is doomed and trying to get some town credit by hammering a scum flip.