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[MathBlade]

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That's the short version. I'm needed to be a mislynch and ya'll are listening to confirmed scum. Me, posting my recommendation on what scum would do, would not lynch scum there as the SK. That'd be an autoloss for me was I said earlier.

[MathBlade]

if LUV flips SK, then a kill (probably PV dies) will make gamma conftown. otherwise, scum cannot make a kill. we will then be 6v1, with one conftown at least.
if LUV somehow flips town, that means both SK and scum are going to look for each other, or PV. neither will kill me, obv; so we can expect a PV double kill, yielding 4v1v1 with 1 conftown, or a PV death + another death. if that other one is scum of any kind, we get 4v1 which is still quite good, with me alive and conftown. if that one is town, we'll have 3v1v1, which we will debate on later. We can either scumhunt as best as we can and then nolynch, hoping for crosskills, or we can try to lynch and treat this as lylo. nolynch is mathematically preferable, I think. But anyway, we WILL investigate further to

help

them crosskill and they

want

to crosskill to avoid being killed at night, clearly.

By then I, who will surely stay alive, will have some more investigative results. Then I will claim which kind of investigations I can do, and all of the results of previous nights.

I don't think this is a thing (Assume luv Town)
I think if the SK and scum know each other they would avoid cross killing here. Cross killing would be disastrous here.

I think a PV double kill is unlikely. More than likely scum will shoot PV or be blocked or claim scum was blocked. A smart SK doesn't kill who scum clearly want to kill. Not only would SK have to not cross shoot they also have to avoid hitting the same target as the scum. I think the SK kills me or Kelvin. Me because I am obvTown to the conf town and that is one more lynch that won't happen and Kelvin because he is in the masonry and by claim.

Scum and SK can't afford a cross kill as I said earlier in the hood. At the end of the day right now there is one conf town by mod shos. Two conf towns my claim Kelvin and Peregrine V.

So a smart SK doesn't shoot who scum shoots.

Looking at 4v1v1 or 3v1v1 tomorrow if LUV is Town.


If LUV flips some kind of killing scum then by PoE we should just be able to do Gamma/Creature then the other and GG. This case honestly is pretty much GG we win at this point.

@Creature Yes. If anything if LUV flips Town you use your block even more.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can modifiers stop a factional ability? Would a bulletproof survive the Erudite serum?

[PeregrineV]

I think the only good eplanation for the nightkill is that the sk is the ascetic. That is why he doesnt fearme.

Btw, I am a rolecop.
I copped NC, keyser, ircher, and others i dont remember.

And I think we lynch Math; if he is town, keyser.
Cannot see anyone else as SK.

So far then, everyone that has claimed is what they say?

[Priscila]

Now that shos has claimed, I can establish that Pere can be confirmed by tomorrow. With Pere protecting shos, only a strongarm serial killer could kill shos. Since we know that Keyser has only the loved modifier, we lynch Mathblade today as we do not know if Mathblade has the strongarm modifier.

Creature's roleblock would bypass Gamma's strongarm if he had one, therefore he is confirmed innocent.

[Priscila]

If anyone has any scenarios where the above would not guarantee a win, please say so.

[Priscila]

To be honest, I find a strongarm serial killer very unlikely regardless. Scum would only be given OSBP in the case of multiple killing roles - OS vig is not enough for this. Therefore, it does not make sense for the serial killer to have strongarm.

[Gamma Emerald]

Good point: with shos checking PV we can verify he is what he says he is

[MathBlade]

Now that shos has claimed, I can establish that Pere can be confirmed by tomorrow. With Pere protecting shos, only a strongarm serial killer could kill shos. Since we know that Keyser has only the loved modifier, we lynch Mathblade today as we do not know if Mathblade has the strongarm modifier.

Creature's roleblock would bypass Gamma's strongarm if he had one, therefore he is confirmed innocent.

Again...If I had that modifier I would have killed shos and framed PV.

A serum bypasses player abilities IF we believe scum when they said it. An ability is NOT a passive.

[MathBlade]

Furthermore shos blatantly said Keyser was freaking loved in the damn PT. Now explain why a scum SK me kills someone who TOWN READ ME.

No one can or is. I'm fucking policy because you can't take I'm ascetic. And then we fucking lose as I've outlined in the hood. So no. I object to lynching me today.

[MathBlade]

Seriously you're agreeing with CONFIRMED SCUM in LUV people.

[Priscila]

@Mod do serum bypass player both active and passive abilities?

[Priscila]

Mathblade, if you think that Gamma is serial killer with a strong-willed ability, why would he kill Creature, who is not widely townread, and who can confirm that he targeted Gamma, thereby false-clearing him?

[MathBlade]

If he kills shos he reveals strongwilled to PV and then PV announces the clear is not a clear.
If he kills PV framing me goes out the window as he takes out one of the biggest people towards pushing me and the surprise factor of wtf is gone.
Kelvin didn't suspect you and never shoot a replacement because they usually derp rule.
Killing Keyser removes a potential loved frame up.
Killing me is stupid as I am ascetic policy.
Killing Creature is the only move scum Gamma could make.

[MathBlade]

Didn't suspect you * Didn't suspect Gamma*

[Gamma Emerald]

If he kills shos he reveals strongwilled to PV and then PV announces the clear is not a clear.
If he kills PV framing me goes out the window as he takes out one of the biggest people towards pushing me and the surprise factor of wtf is gone.
Kelvin didn't suspect you and never shoot a replacement because they usually derp rule.
Killing Keyser removes a potential loved frame up.
Killing me is stupid as I am ascetic policy.
Killing Creature is the only move scum Gamma could make.

Um what
Kelvin wasn't being replaced then???????????????????????????/

[MathBlade]

If he kills shos he reveals strongwilled to PV and then PV announces the clear is not a clear.
If he kills PV framing me goes out the window as he takes out one of the biggest people towards pushing me and the surprise factor of wtf is gone.
Kelvin didn't suspect you and never shoot a replacement because they usually derp rule.
Killing Keyser removes a potential loved frame up.
Killing me is stupid as I am ascetic policy.
Killing Creature is the only move scum Gamma could make.

Um what
Kelvin wasn't being replaced then???????????????????????????/

Kelvin was replaced overnight.

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI the meta is actually to shoot replacements, since they bring in new perspectives

[MathBlade]

FYI the meta is actually to shoot replacements, since they bring in new perspectives

It isn't about what the meta is it's about the objective play. A player brave enough to join into a large theme night five when you're not being scumread is not where a smart SK shoots.

[Gamma Emerald]

That makes no sense

[Priscila]

Mathblade, if you want me to town read you then you should stop trying to discredit me. Insisting that you would never put yourself into an autoloss that you have spent all of today trying to work your way out of if you are in fact the serial killer does nothing for me. Contrary to what you believe my gameplan has been pretty specific coming in and if I hadn't subbed for this then you would likely be left with someone with no strong ability to work in this gamestate.

[MathBlade]

...I'm an expert for replacing and nail scum quite frequently as one. In this one I nailed scum LUV. Was told no, then still lynched LUV anyway so I'm pretty sure this is handled. You seriously spammed you were certain of everyone. Like I'm not sure what you're even getting at here except I'm ascetic. I don't know how to address your arguments when the only thing I understand of them is "ascetic" therefore scum. Like try again and go slow and let's try a dialogue again because frankly right now all I see is you throwing stuff on a dartboard and it is infuriating. I'm trying here but I just don't know how to deal with this or respond to it.

[Priscila]

My argument has been laid out clearly in the hood. I intentionally have not read the game because I wanted to come in and piece things together on the fly. This is always my approach to such situations and it has never failed me. Once the moderator responds, we will talk.

[keyenpeydee]

@Mod do serum bypass player both active and passive abilities?

Yes. I still have a limited internet connection and sometimes I can access it but most of the time, I can't.

[Priscila]

So unless there is an argument that Creature did not use the roleblock on Gamma last night, Gamma is confirmed innocent, yes?