Mini 1913: UPickInFreezer (Game Over)

[Almost50]

With the potential special mechanics list I don't think the usual RVS is a good idea. I certainly don't want my random vote to stick.

[Almost50]

VC 1.00

Not Voting:

drealmerz7, CommKnight, Gamma Emerald, Clumsy Phoenix, Almost50, Democracy, randomidget, Radical Rat, Mathblade, Titus, Human Sequencer, Gerryoat

With

12

votes,

7

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2017-06-11 21:05:57)

WHAT?? Navy is Voteless??

[Almost50]

Shall we vote Navy already?? That silent voter is a scum role and I don't see anything in the town roles list to cause a Navy to be voteless. Maybe I'll do another revision of both lists just to be absolutely sure.

[Almost50]

Well, alright then..

VOTE: Navy

Half-serious/half-RVS vote for now. Until we get to the bottom of this voteless thing.

[Almost50]

I'm town.

[Almost50]

@Gamma: Good to know. Perhaps you want to explain to me what a Parity Cop is??

[Almost50]

Well, alright then..

VOTE: Navy

Half-serious/half-RVS vote for now. Until we get to the bottom of this voteless thing.

How can it be serious if the person hasn't even talked yet?

*Sigh*

Check the VC. Navy is VOTELESS. Now Check the roles. The only way -I could find- for someone to be voteless is if they willingly give their vote to a "teammate", and that teammate becomes a double voter. So, Navy is very likely scum for that alone.

[Almost50]

How does magic train work?

Also, Navy being voteless probably means treestump.

In my experience, Treestumps CAN vote UNTIL they are confirmed by the mod.

[Almost50]

Wait, in mafia scum, do you have to turn yourself into a treestump at night? or is it automatic. On epicmafia you have to turn yourself into one at night.

In my experience (and it was NOT on MS): You publicly ask the mod to Treestump you, just like the IC asks to be confirmed.

[Almost50]

But there is aversion where it only gets Treestumped upon death (either by lynch or NK). I personally have never seen a Treestump that starts the game as voteless w/o being confirmed. I only saw it twice though.

[Almost50]

because on their initial vote count, Navy could vote.

What initial VC?? Here's VC 1.00:

VC 1.00

Not Voting:

drealmerz7, CommKnight, Gamma Emerald, Clumsy Phoenix, Almost50, Democracy, randomidget, Radical Rat, Mathblade, Titus, Human Sequencer, Gerryoat

With

12

votes,

7

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2017-06-11 21:05:57)

Clearly says with TWELVE VOTES. And then we have Navy MISSING from the "Not Voting" list.

[Almost50]

In that case, I will agree that softing should wait.

However,

after

everyone has made their "I Am Town" post, if a lie detector does exist, please claim and give us the scumteam.

At this point, I believe the best course of action would be to lynch the lie detector, in order to verify the claim, then start lynching scum D2 if they were telling the truth, or play normally if not.

Do you know how the Lie-Detector works??

A Lie Detector can only check ONE post (or sometimes one sentence quoted from a post.) Anyway, they can only check ONCE per cycle (whether it be a "DAY" Lie Detector, or a normal one that gets their checks at night).

It is silly to think a lie detector could check everyone at once. That would be breaking the game, don't you think? (It's as good as a Cop checking everyone at once).

[Almost50]

Hey Comm. Do you want to be my Neighbour? I think I'm willing to take that leap of faith now that you posted. Not "confident" you are Town, but leaning so.

[Almost50]

@Comm I suggest you pick A50 instead

Telepathy??

But, seriously? Why did you pair me with Comm in particular?

[Almost50]

OOOH and 7.) Get everyone to claim 2 people with themselves to be TOWN. That way you can also catch potential scum buddies. (If scum claim X and Y are also town and they are mafia, it will appear as a LIE). Or we can even get specific people to claim specific other people are TOWN and if it's a lie, you catch two people. BANG BANG MOFOS.

Guys. Lie Detectors do not use tart cards or magic balls. They check if what you say is true in the sense that you KNOW IT IS. Obviously, if I said "Comm is Town" when I have no mod-confirmation he is the result will be "No Result", because I'm not telling the truth but I'm not lying either. I'd be stating an opinion.

[Almost50]

Alright, I'll take A50, we'll double team the scum and make them shit bricks. So I pick A50 or A50 picks me, how we doing this?

We both PM the mod with our choices (Mine is you, yours is me). Then we can talk some. (I stayed up to decide on my neighbour, so I will talk to you later in the neighbourhood).

[Almost50]

They can entrap scum into a claim that is provably wrong. Or of course you can pass investigative results to another player so they can out the information in the case of your death. Multiple reasons to want to neighbourize with town and keep the chat to PT.

dude i dont think anybody is gonna be able to hard clear anybody else as town this hard by the end of n1 lmao

Try again. If there's a lie-detector they certainly can. If there's a normal alignment Cop they sure can (well, almost.. since there's still the miller thing that could be a GF type of role id Scum aligned). There are other mechanics and other tactics, so I think the possibility is realistically existent.

[Almost50]

Also I submitted the judge, the neighborize and shut up about each other, and the early lynch mechanics.

Nobody needs to out what they submitted, simply because the mod made then quite clear as he listed then in the players list order. That said, I think everybody now knows it's unlikely anyone got one of their own suggested roles. *Sigh* (I REALLY wanted to be a Forensic Investigator)

[Almost50]

I am also a treestump.

Again: Treestumps NEED to be confirmed by the mod.

[Almost50]

@Almost50: Why didn't you mention anything about our hydra? Your first priority in British Monarchy Mafia was sorting the hydra that was composed of Gin, Mastina, and I and this game we don't even get so much as a hello

Mastina is not an active poster today.

But seriously; I was a VT in DoY. It didn't matter much to me if those who didn't know me scum read me, and I was OK getting lynched on D1. There are no VTs in this game, so it follows I am NOT a VT. I'll get to sorting your slot by other means though. Just you wait for it.

P.S. Do you have a "How to sort/read Nacho" wiki page??

[Almost50]

I'm town.

I'm town.

VOTE: MathBlade
Quoting gerry's claim here seems like an attempt to befuddle the detector.

I'm town.

Stop it!

Just have a BLANK post with no quotes and nothing typed in but "I'm Town", please.

[Almost50]

Comm Knight is fucking obvTown.

And now I'm officially worried about him!!

[Almost50]

if they dont show up on VC they are conf tree stump

*sigh*
random is TOWN.

[Almost50]

We can finally post!?!?
I'm so happy!!!!!

- Ari

@Ari: Tell me a secret only Town!You would know.

[Almost50]

What even is forensic investigator

forensic investigator

[Almost50]

A50, maybe it's an auto-stump? Like, pre-stumped?
This would make it so they need not be confirmed. Amirite?

As random had ponted out, a Treestump is an ineligible vote target (actually ineligible kill target by any method, as they are already dead. Not sure if they can be copped though).

So, I'm waiting for a VC to show whether they are listed with votes on them or not. That should confirm them even w/o an explicit mod confirmation.

[Almost50]

basically if it was scum vote stealing shenanigans my vote will show up and navy is conf scum.

@Gamma: Do you see why or do you still not understand?

[Almost50]

Why for what?

I thought your question "How?" was directed at my post just above it stating random is Town. If it wasn't, then ignore me.

@Math: Yup. Just like that one. It was at a pagetop and I was responding to the post on the page before that, so..

Also, nobody claimed PGO. Should we assume nobody got Vengeful-PGO? Cuz SHIT if that Role exists and is MAFIA.

[Almost50]

@Math: 20/20 *Thumbs Up*

[Almost50]

Okay, so who is going to vote Navy to test the claim?

Wouldn't it be good if we all kept track of the vote count? O already had my vote on Navy since 28 and never unvoted. Navy is a Treestump (but is she Town or Scum? Only time will tell.)

[Almost50]

Ir doesn't matter. A Treestump is a Treestump. You can sit on them, or you can use then as a chopping table. but you can neither lynch nor kill them because they're already dead. They're essentially a spirit .. a ghost that is haunting us, and we don't even know if they're Casper (the friendly ghost) or the one from Haunted Hill (whatever their name was).

Associatives won't work either, because if I was scum I would be calling them scum all the way to hell and back and it wouldn't matter. It isn't even bussing, technically.

So, anyway.. I've looked into my crystal ball and it told me Comm is Town. It also says gerry & random are both Town. Unfortunately ot didn't catch any scummy vibes just yet, so I guess I'll need to recharge the batteries or something.

[Almost50]

Also, when in doubt, substitute "o" with "a". For some odd reason I can't get used to this keyboard I'm using here and I keep hotting "o" for "i". (The old one O used to hit "a" for "s")

[Almost50]

@Almost50

@A50

, why did you feel the need to bring up what you did in 288? FWIW, I'm not claiming my role at all in this post, but it kinda looks here like you're baiting me to claim that I'm not cop/lie detector to narrow down nightkills, which, once again, I'm not doing in this post. I don't really see any town motivation in there at all-- how does that information help town? It's not even factually correct, these roles get their results at the end of night 1, when the hoods expire. Pretty questionable post all round, elaborate a little here on what was going through your head when you wrote this?
OK midget picked up on kinda the same thing immediately after but I would still like a response.

If you seriously think that was "baiting you to claim" then I suggest you confine yourself to Newbie games ONLY.

I mean, you said "something" and I said "something to the contrary", and it doesn't even matter who's right and who's wrong here, but HOW THE HELL DO YOU GET "BAITING" from it?

[Almost50]

1- It is harsh, and it was meant to be. If you're "trying to work with me" don't misinterpret my words and accuse me of having "no town motive" behind them.

2- A lot of players? I would like to run a census over the site to confirm how many players actually would. (Note: None in this game so far, Not even you.)

3- Well, I'm not cop/lie detector. Happy? Do you even believe me when I say I'm not X role?? You think this is Truth or Dare?

4- You don't need to come up with a feasible town motive for anything I say or do. What you do need to do is find the SCUM motive if you think I'm scum.

That said, I'm half in-between on reading you as a VI (that's short for Village Idiot) or Scum posturing (trying to look like they're doing something productive). I'll take my time to decide.

In fact, you just made me claim not being X or Y, so you must be scum. It can't be that I'm being ridiculous AT ALL. It's you and what you said and why did you feel the need to say what you said?

VOTE: Human Sequencer

[Almost50]

OK, so "the late" Democracy thought this was Scum. I'll roll with that.

VOTE: Clumsy

[Almost50]

Either the moderator is misleading by leaving out day modifiers or Gamma and CommKnight are doing beyond silly gambits.

Comm is confirmed a Dayvig, and that is a TOWN Role (with not listed equivalent in the Scum Roles). Does that change anything to you?

[Almost50]

Spoiler:

There is 0 scumhunting or drive to solve the game in Clumsy Phoenix's ISO. It's talk about activity from the heads, talk about mechanics and game setup, and few random questions or statements.

I'm going to sleep too!

Btw Jaereed said to say they didn't like HS wanting Comm to "prove" his dayvig unspoilered because it's not town logic since he's townreading us.

And they agree with me on Clumsy Phoenix scum!

Daily reminder that Phoenix operated by 2 people have not made 1 scumhunting driven post yet.

Have you considered momentarily actually reading our posts? I highly recommend it!

-Shaziro

Sorry I am bad at reading can you please point exactly to which post has scumhunting in it. Feel free to quote it or link it.

You can try to be funny or witty or whatever think makes you look cool but for a change how about answering the question?

Which head was this?

-Shaziro

Look at you, asking pointless questions that, if the shot was real, don't matter in the slightest. Bonus points for dodging the question flagrantly.
-smith

Read my post a few posts before that, about why we haven't exactly been playing the game to its fullest. That answers your question. I then asked who asked the question. Less shadethrowing, more reading. Also, less posting from you, I don't believe it's your head's turn.

You were asked to show evidence of scumhunting, you didn't. You then asked a completely pointless question, unless your sole concern is to bitch about people posting out of turn, which is just bizarre in this situation; it's hard to think of something LESS important than that as a topic.

Ps I don't give a fuck about if it's my turn if we're about to die, nor should I.

-smith

You realize that VCA is also a thing people do in the main game thread in order to try and present a case on people, yes? If that's the case, it should make sense why I might think Nancy was doing that and hydraslipped, revealing that the rules were not being followed. I was apparently wrong, but it should make sense how I came to that conclusion. From there, can you see why I would then find it difficult to believe that the post nancy slipped on was the first time somebody outside of the 3 designated posters popped in? You're ignoring what my thought process would be, and that's not a good thing to do.

-Shaz

I would note that it was VCA that had no conclusions and was completely out of the blue.
I don't find this a productive thing to talk about at all.

-Nacho

This is a good example of what makes CP scum, ftr.
There was clearly no attempt to sort because there was zero thought behind what the VCA post meant.

-Jae

One so far before the other head and I start picking apart any specific posts. Every single game I have seen with both Titus and Math that ended up in them arguing and scumreading each other (in present memory at least), one of the two is scum.

it's a little early though, I'd think it best to wait another Day or 2 to see how it goes between them to truly determine 1 way or the other

Also if we could know 100% town/mafia between Math/Titus, my money is 100% on Math being town and Titus being scum. Definitely NOT vice versa.

I would be opposite, but I don't discount they could both be town or both be scum either - however I have a bigger scumlean on clumsy phoenix atm which makes me think math and titus are town (that single post let's me know CPh is not scum with either of them, which is nice)

This was also something I didn't like from Drealmer. Not sure why he's discounting the idea that Clumsy could be scum with either Math/Titus, and do think this could be indicative of Clumsy + Dreal.

This is what my skim yielded, and the one person who didn't scum read you was LUV (who also had me as NULL), so I'm sorry to disappoint you. My vote stays.

[Almost50]

He is in a good with me, yes (the D1 mechanic) and he did tell me Gamma was a neighbourizer already (at first he said he was in a neighbourhood with "another player" but didn't name them, and saud he will confirm them if they choose to out. Then Gamma did claim here and Comm confirmed him and he told me so in the quick topic even before I got to reading today).

So, CHILL and accept then for what they are. Chances are one if them is going to be NK'd tonight (I can't find anything but a Compulsive BG for a protection role), so you can safely look elsewhere.

[Almost50]

Personally, I'm assuming it was a pre-game action. I've never seen a pre-stumped Treestump before either. *Shrug*

All I know is Comm is 100% Town, and thus I wouldn't look into what he does or says with suspicion. If I don't get it, I'd still assume it's for a reason or has an explanation. THAT is how you treat 100% conf!Town.

[Almost50]

I wish Democracy would have answered me when I asked them like 15 times why people in their hydra was TRing random

I'll answers ya. random's approach to the Treestump claim was skeptical. He voted there and waited for the MOD to confirm it. That sounded Town enough for me. Other people accepted the claim at face value and never cared to verify it. random did not choose the easy route (i.e. did not flow with the current).

[Almost50]

@MOD: A VC WOULD BE GREAT!

[Almost50]

Prodding GiF

[Almost50]

Ok, I'm officially an idiot.

I log in, enter a game thread, see who's posting, add notes next to their name, and suddenly discover this isn't the file I should be editing in the first place.

Make of that what you will.

On other news, Vedith's last post looks like a scum claim. I'm giving you time to remedy the situation before I decide you're the right lynch after all.

[Almost50]

Worth remembering that scum knows what roles there are

I must've missed something the mechanics. Where does it say Scum are informed of the existing roles?

Also, the wiki says a single Mason is equivalent to an IC. Doesn't that mean they should be mod-confirmed somehow?

UNVOTE:

@Clumsy: Since you guys are the ones with that role, maybe it's a good idea for you to be asking if you should/would be confirmed. Thanks.

[Almost50]

Flavor/Mechanics:

Pick 2 town roles, 1 mafia role, and 1 special mechanic. The choices will be public. Mafia will know which roles are not picked. Try anything too silly and I guarantee you it will come back and bite your neck. No third party exist in this game. Otherwise, I would've asked you to submit one role for third party.

Oh I can't has read.

Gotta go!

Shit! Was I supposed to find THAT too? Like, why is this not included in the opening post of THIS thread?

[Almost50]

CommKnight, Human Sequencer, Gamma Emerald
Clumsy Phoenix
Gerryoat, Mathblade
Titus, Almost50
Navy
drealmerz7
Vedith

these are my reads atm, sorry about the wait my computer completely died

I'm tempted to test your scum hunting skills right here and now, but I think I should wait and see for myself.

[Almost50]

Mafia will know which roles are not picked.

This is why we should be lynching Clumsy. Safest claim out there.

Can I at least consult with Comm about this?

[Almost50]

Ok, somebody please shoot me. I TOTALLY missed HS claim!!!!!!!!!!

[Almost50]

Mafia will know which roles are not picked.

This is why we should be lynching Clumsy. Safest claim out there.

Can I at least consult with Comm about this?

*shrug* He's VLA and shot the most obvious town in the game. I don't think much of him given he blames the obvtown and shot him for not TRing who he said. If you want to, go ahead but I don't think much will come beyond CommKnight insisting you see things his way or else.

You just don't know how to work with Comm, but that's beside the point. The point here is myself, Comm & Gamma are a Town block, much as you appear to be with HS & random. If all 6 of us can work together this game should be a walk in the park.

We may or may not have a Cop, Role Cop, Lie Detector and Masonizer, all of which are investigative roles. If only ONE of us is any of these roles we can easily win this game based on INFORMATION and not just hunches and pride collisions.

[Almost50]

Also, neighbourizers can self confirm by using their action on someone from the other 3. Scum are likely to shoot one of them though, but that in itself backfires on them because it confirms the other 2.

*Run to double check CERB is not in the game* *Sigh of relief*
You know, he could have somehow confirmed Scum as Town and manipulated the whole thing.

[Almost50]

Also, when did you get added to that town block?

I added myself all by myself because I know my role and alignment. To me; I'm as confirmed as Comm is (I have the PM to say I'm Town and he proved his role which is a Town role).

[Almost50]

Also, neighbourizers can self confirm by using their action on someone from the other 3. Scum are likely to shoot one of them though, but that in itself backfires on them because it confirms the other 2.

*Run to double check CERB is not in the game* *Sigh of relief*
You know, he could have somehow confirmed Scum as Town and manipulated the whole thing.

? How does anyone get confirmed with a neighborizer dying?

It's a theory in mind that I'm still working on. If a Neighbourizer does get killed then I will reveal it. If not, then I'll leave it on the back burner for now.

[Almost50]

Also, when did you get added to that town block?

I added myself all by myself because I know my role and alignment. To me; I'm as confirmed as Comm is (I have the PM to say I'm Town and he proved his role which is a Town role).

That's sketch. By that standard, everyone is conftown. If CommKnight and Gamma TR you, then you'd be in the block.

I don't care what everyone else thinks. I'm nobody's spokesman. I am my own spokesman and the opinions and views expressed in posts are my own and only express what >I< think from my own PoV.

[Almost50]

So be it then

VOTE: Clumsy

[Almost50]

Doesn't matter what Clumsy is at, we're not lynching him today.

STOP PLAYING ME AROUND. You're making me look BAD.

UNVOTE: Clumsy

I unvoted when they claimed, waited for your input, you implied it's OK to lynch them, I revoted them, and then you come up with this!!

Bad, BAD CommKnight.

[Almost50]

Doesn't matter what Clumsy is at, we're not lynching him today.

STOP PLAYING ME AROUND. You're making me look BAD.

UNVOTE: Clumsy

I unvoted when they claimed, waited for your input, you implied it's OK to lynch them, I revoted them, and then you come up with this!!

Bad, BAD CommKnight.

i mean you could just ignore comm

I mean, he's the only CONFIRMED Town player right now. This very fact means I know he's not being manipulative. YES, he COULD be wrong, but in an honest way.

[Almost50]

@Comm: Fine. Me ago follow you today. Me ago develop me own reads upon a flip.

VOTE: Titus

[Almost50]

CommKnight = clear
Navy = Doesnt matter (sry)
Democracy (Katsuki, et al.): , Town Bus Driver, killed Day 1.
randomidget= Prob town
Vedith =Prob Town
Human Sequencer = Clear?
Gerryoat = Town

leaves:

Mathblade = can read better later
Titus = dont wanna lynch
Almost50 = dont wanna lynch
drealmerz7 = can read better

leaves:

Gamma Emerald

Clumsy Phoenix (Clumsy + Shaziro) = the prefered lynch.

This is my PoE for today.

Huh???

[Almost50]

Can we please lynch clumsy

VOTE: Clumsy

Frankly, I see no scum incentive behind wanting to lynch a Mason over anyone else. It's not an investigative and it's not a protective and it's not informative and it isn't even confirmed in the sense that someone else can vouch for them.

Gerry is TOWN.

[Almost50]

Either way. How the hell did you guys unvote just cause he claimed mason. That's the safest claim.

Like, I don't expect this reaction out of someone who can check the claim to see if the claimer is telling the truth. I expect this out of scum who lost an easy mislynch.

Gamma, here's how I would think if I was Mafia: I'd stay away from the two neighbourizers, the 1-shot Vig who had already used it up, and the Mason. These are not as dangerous at the start of the game.

I would be shooting one of the neighbourizers to stop the info from being secretly transmitted between Townies, and would try to lynch someone who hasn't claimed (Let's not forget Scum know what Roles are in play, and I can't imagine "Mason" to be their most feared one).

Gerry is now outed and is likely to eat a bullet instead of you/HS tonight. If he is still alive tomorrow we can reevaluate. We have the choice to even leash him tonight if needs be. There isn't even an "active" Roleblocker in game, so either gerry returns a result or he is NK'd.

Then again, that's only how >I< would have gone about it.

[Almost50]

A50 can be scum too

Maybe. Maybe not. You probably won't know for sure until I do flip (and I mean, especially you )

[Almost50]

@Comm: Sorry for not getting back to you sooner (before the QT got locked). I checked the proposed 3 choices and I think the best lynch of the 3 would be Vedith. I did a quick revision of Radical Rat's posts and I believe 39 was a scum slip, as it sounded like someone who already knew what roles are in use. This is very contradictory to him not understanding how the Lie-Detector worked (although his vote on Math in 159 makes me think he did know).

Overall, his performance and his replace out felt extremely scummy, and that doesn't even have anything to do with Vedith play.

Clumsy looks a bit less scummy to me and I have no idea about Titus.

gerryoat (6): Vedith, MathBlade, Clumsy Phoenix, CommKnight, Gamma Emerald, drealmerz7

This was the gerrygoat lynch wagon. You & Gamma are Town. I think we had agreed (and so did Gamma) that both Math and dreal are likely Town. That leaves us with Vedith and Clumsy as the questionable slots.

Just my humble opinion. The choice is yours.

Also, I agree we should take it slow and wait for HS to neighbourize you.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Vedith

I relay my vote to Comm (and maybe HS now that he IS confirmed).

[Almost50]

^Baaaaa

[Almost50]

I can lynch either Titus or Vedith right here right now.

P-edit: Oh, no! Not YOU again!! GET OFF MY BACK!

[Almost50]

Also it'd be nice if we had someone to follow either Titus, A50 or even CP tonight.

Huh?? Follower is a SCUM role in this setup, so even if it existed what makes you think they'll claim???

[Almost50]

First and foremost, I will assume responsibility for the loss. Sorry.

Second (@Comm): READ! random slipped HARD and it went unnoticed:

i inno'd

almost vedith

night one. night 2 i guilted dreal.

This is him faking a result, then changing his mind and messing it up. Period.

Then, Math & Titus stopped taking bouts on each other on D3 = Scum together. It's not rocket science.

Still, it was MY fault we lynched Vedith, I'll admit. Not that if I returned Universal Back Up he would have lived though. Not having assumed a role is ... meh. Whatever.

[Almost50]

Yeahhhhhh

Comm, please retire from mafia :3

I'd second that, but then there's a whole host of other players I'd want to see retire before him. AT LEAST he doesn't get prodded every other day (real life days).

[Almost50]

I really should mod a simple game for once.

Not really. Simple games are super boring, and with the 14 days deadline the new fad on MS to spend your time searching for replacements because everybody just signs up assuming they have nothing to do IRL for the next month, but then the game takes up to 4 months. If I confined myself to just one game at a time I suspect I'd be OVER50 by the time the second one ends.

[Almost50]

Somebody please come replace into the game I have in my signature. I'll be serving yummy cookies and soft drinks shortly.

[Almost50]

Well, somebody who is not you! I never said anything about HARD DRINKS so ...