Open 690: Kill All Townies - Game Over

[MarioManiac4]

hello world
VOTE: GameNBurger

[MarioManiac4]

nah, either vig just shoots whoever or they shoot the common scumreads
telling vig to shoot you p1 is WIFOM and unhelpful

[MarioManiac4]

{MarioManiac4}
{Bellaphant, Almost50, Gamma Emerald, Kawso}
{beeboy, Siblings Doggo, Balki B, CommKnight}
{Sesq, Tenshii, havingfitz, DeltaW}
{EchoVision, Flubbernugget, Hawk, GameNBurger}

[MarioManiac4]

Avatar rankings

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Sibs
Sheeping Kawso.

[MarioManiac4]

I am so not looking forward to failing to read Balki this game.

[MarioManiac4]

Also, will you be playing the entire game as a condescending asshole? Is it some sort of role play?

[MarioManiac4]

nah, either vig just shoots whoever or they shoot the common scumreads
telling vig to shoot you p1 is WIFOM and unhelpful

Wowie MM4, look at you.
So helpful.

Thanks I try.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Kawso

[MarioManiac4]

I had some suspicion it was a joke... considering the people who hadn't posted were included...

Gotta say I REALLY dislike Mario's vote on me without anything else in his post. If you can at least provide a reason that'd be a lot more helpful for us.

It's because you're trying to judge whether players are PR or Vanilla. I don't have anything insightful people couldn't see by looking at your post.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: DeltaW

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: GameNBurger - Because he's scum.

Is not giving reasons for votes the new meta, or would you care to enlighten any of us?

Why are you concerned about CommKinght blank-voting more than you are about anyone else's blank vote?

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: GameNBurger - Because he's scum.

Is not giving reasons for votes the new meta, or would you care to enlighten any of us?

Why are you concerned about CommKinght blank-voting more than you are about anyone else's blank vote?

Because I just woke up and I haven't finished responding to what I've missed

This doesn't really add up. What about Sesq's vote?

[MarioManiac4]

Also since im between classes VOTE: kawso [\vote]

PR calling is a crime punishable by death here

Actually nah.
VOTE: GameNBurger

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: GameNBurger
policy lynch me pls

[MarioManiac4]

"Is not giving reasons for votes the new meta, or would you care to enlighten any of us?"
this really doesn't have anything to do with the general consensus on how scummy people are

[MarioManiac4]

"Is not giving reasons for votes the new meta, or would you care to enlighten any of us?"
this really doesn't have anything to do with the general consensus on how scummy people are

Be a bit clearer with what you're saying, which also boils down to the problem I had with balki and comm, and now you apparently. I don't think that automatically means scum, I'm just trying to as for some godamn clarity in writing.

What does the general consensus on how scummy people are have to do with blank votes?

[MarioManiac4]

eh, fair enough
VOTE: Kawso

[MarioManiac4]

If you're gonna put words in my mouth at least tell me what it is I truly believe, clarity goes a long way in conversation

Sure. It's quite clear:

If you wanna look town by making the first accusation, at least don't crumble as soon as someone half observes you making the move you're accusing someone else of making

Here's a protip next time you get anything non townie, or even if you do get townie, Less is more.

You have suggested, with much more certainty than SPD, that I am scum.

Ah I see, lovely you can detect my hint of dry sarcasm with those sentences to call me a condescending asshole, but cant seem to read the conclusion of my post, ya know, the most important part that states the point:

(3)Its not, if you're referring to question 2, and if you're not, it helps to use direct subjects in questions, not pronouns. Nice bait by the way,

I don't personally think Echo's claim holds water but I do think the fact that you seem to be in panic mode makes it worth the vote for pressure. I honestly cant say if you're 100% scum, but i think some pressure will help me decide in the end.

Thank you for atleast being clear with what you're saying, I'm gonna have a lot of fun having pull teeth everytime I want to know what you're saying.

Also, will you be playing the entire game as a condescending asshole? Is it some sort of role play?

Nah, I just happen to be a condescending asshole to everyone, or atleast I am when deciphering what you're trying to say takes so much time (with the exception of your post before you panic, could we get your posts to resemble that atleast?). Please be clear and direct when saying things, and I cant seriously remember the last time direct anger baiting (The calling me a condescending asshole bit so i'm clear) ever worked.

POST AUTHORSHIP Since you posted with a more thoughtful post since i started writing: Thats what i'm looking for as far as clarity goes, and to itterate more on why I think you were in panic mode: Shortfire posts, the lack of clarity, the primary use of ethos rather logos in arguments. I repeat this since i'm demanding a sense of quality from your posts, I might as well hold myself to the same standard.

Can you two stop this, separate arguments is anti-town, all I see is 2 fuckwits arguing over a point made several pages ago and escalating it so which ever of you is scum can use it as material for your wagon later.

^ this looks like fake frustration, I voted him for it but then forgot about it

VOTE: DeltaW

[MarioManiac4]

I am so not looking forward to failing to read Balki this game.

Also, will you be playing the entire game as a condescending asshole? Is it some sort of role play?

nah, either vig just shoots whoever or they shoot the common scumreads
telling vig to shoot you p1 is WIFOM and unhelpful

Wowie MM4, look at you.
So helpful.

Thanks I try.

VOTE: Kawso

VOTE: DeltaW

So many empty posts, if you want to call my stuff fake, actually put some stuff in the thread of substance, that's why I come daily so there's enough substance to mkae a post about it.

"Is not giving reasons for votes the new meta, or would you care to enlighten any of us?"
this really doesn't have anything to do with the general consensus on how scummy people are

Makes you seem more scummy.
VOTE: Mario

Nah this isn't a natural evaluation of my ISO. You're saying "Mario is scummy because there are some posts that do not have content" and calling that me not providing content, but if you evaluated it you would notice I have in fact given content.

[MarioManiac4]

Why don't you think Balki vs GNB is TvT?

[MarioManiac4]

Why don't you think Balki vs GNB is TvT?

Why do you think it is? Remember, there's 2 scum factions here. Can just as easily be SvS.

I like both individually. They seem unconcerned about their images. It would be unlikely for GNB!scum, in particular, to pick a fight with Balki so early.

[MarioManiac4]

Flubbernugget, why is Sesq scum?

[MarioManiac4]

Let's flashwagon Delta

[MarioManiac4]

kawso and tenshii are townlords
i like how alisae scumreads me for saying what comm was doing is unhelpful and then does it himself
249 is bad because they're just general and scratch at the surface so commknight wagon is better than kawso wagon
that said he does have the benefit of not being confirmed scum

[MarioManiac4]

Also there's the fact the Siblings didn't really vote or focus on me till I voted them. (Completely ignored A50 is also odd).

Delta is like 1000x more guilty of this.

[MarioManiac4]

"Seriously though, when have you played with me that I care much about being voted/lynched."- CommKnight, 2017

[MarioManiac4]

Why are you tempting me so hard to switch my vote from scum, CommKnight?

[MarioManiac4]

That's old, he's already done that

[MarioManiac4]

CommKnight, you claim that you don't mind being voted in games. Yet, when I stated that I was tempted to voted you, you started to buddy me.
Why is that?

[MarioManiac4]

Whew I'm sure glad Balki stopped pushing Kawso.
It's my job to deathtunnel Kawso as scum.

[MarioManiac4]

Nah Townso is a special gift. It can never be replaced.

[MarioManiac4]

Let's flashwagon Delta

why...? didn't delta make a "case" against you like a page ago? is that why...?

I said why.
Also flashwagoning Delta is a fun activity for all of the family.

[MarioManiac4]

If you give me Chikorita gifs I'll consider voting Comm with you!

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: CommKnight
I'm sold

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: DeltaW
i have skimmed the last five or so pages so my vote returns to this

[MarioManiac4]

Preliminary reads:

No STRONG TRs
Town Leans on: CommKnight, Kawso, Flubbernugget
Null/Town: beeboy, Balki B
Null: Bellaphant, Tenshii, MarioManiac4, GameNBurger, EchoVision
Scum Leans: Gamma Emerald, Sesq, Hawk, havingfitz, Siblings Pet Doggo, DeltaW

Can lynch any of the bottom six

Your reads are like, twenty shades of fucked up.
Just sayin.
How did you come to the conclusion on like, all of your reads?

-Ali

Let's flashwagon Delta

why...? didn't delta make a "case" against you like a page ago? is that why...?

^ this post twas shitty. He sounds way too concerned about my comment especially consisering he didn't look in my ISO for the answer

Other than that he's pretty null

[MarioManiac4]

Sibs isn't cop and we're not hypoing

[MarioManiac4]

aren't we all

[MarioManiac4]

If you're gonna put words in my mouth at least tell me what it is I truly believe, clarity goes a long way in conversation

Sure. It's quite clear:

If you wanna look town by making the first accusation, at least don't crumble as soon as someone half observes you making the move you're accusing someone else of making

Here's a protip next time you get anything non townie, or even if you do get townie, Less is more.

You have suggested, with much more certainty than SPD, that I am scum.

Ah I see, lovely you can detect my hint of dry sarcasm with those sentences to call me a condescending asshole, but cant seem to read the conclusion of my post, ya know, the most important part that states the point:

(3)Its not, if you're referring to question 2, and if you're not, it helps to use direct subjects in questions, not pronouns. Nice bait by the way,

I don't personally think Echo's claim holds water but I do think the fact that you seem to be in panic mode makes it worth the vote for pressure. I honestly cant say if you're 100% scum, but i think some pressure will help me decide in the end.

Thank you for atleast being clear with what you're saying, I'm gonna have a lot of fun having pull teeth everytime I want to know what you're saying.

Also, will you be playing the entire game as a condescending asshole? Is it some sort of role play?

Nah, I just happen to be a condescending asshole to everyone, or atleast I am when deciphering what you're trying to say takes so much time (with the exception of your post before you panic, could we get your posts to resemble that atleast?). Please be clear and direct when saying things, and I cant seriously remember the last time direct anger baiting (The calling me a condescending asshole bit so i'm clear) ever worked.

POST AUTHORSHIP Since you posted with a more thoughtful post since i started writing: Thats what i'm looking for as far as clarity goes, and to itterate more on why I think you were in panic mode: Shortfire posts, the lack of clarity, the primary use of ethos rather logos in arguments. I repeat this since i'm demanding a sense of quality from your posts, I might as well hold myself to the same standard.

Can you two stop this, separate arguments is anti-town, all I see is 2 fuckwits arguing over a point made several pages ago and escalating it so which ever of you is scum can use it as material for your wagon later.

He calls the wagon anti-town, while not actually trying to solve who is town or scum.

I am so not looking forward to failing to read Balki this game.

Also, will you be playing the entire game as a condescending asshole? Is it some sort of role play?

nah, either vig just shoots whoever or they shoot the common scumreads
telling vig to shoot you p1 is WIFOM and unhelpful

Wowie MM4, look at you.
So helpful.

Thanks I try.

VOTE: Kawso

VOTE: DeltaW

So many empty posts, if you want to call my stuff fake, actually put some stuff in the thread of substance, that's why I come daily so there's enough substance to mkae a post about it.

"Is not giving reasons for votes the new meta, or would you care to enlighten any of us?"
this really doesn't have anything to do with the general consensus on how scummy people are

Makes you seem more scummy.
VOTE: Mario

^ this isn't a genuine evaluation

[MarioManiac4]

If CommKnight was scum, the cop would have counterclaimed. As such we can assume CommKnight is scum. There's no real need to make this more complicated than it needs to be.

[MarioManiac4]

[MarioManiac4]

Official Vote Count 1.20

Lynching

With 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to lynch.

DeltaW

(4): MarioManiac4, Siblings Pet Doggo, Sesq, Tenshii

Kawso

(3): Hawk, havingfitz, beeboy

GameNBurger

(3): CommKnight, Almost50, Gamma Emerald

CommKnight

(2): EchoVision, Flubbernugget

Almost50

(1): Bellaphant

MarioManiac4

(1): DeltaW

Nobody

(3): Kawso, Balki B, GameNBurger

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-06-13 01:40:00)

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if that Kawso wagon is all-scum here.

[MarioManiac4]

Why MM4?

Because Kawso is town and hawk/fitz/beeboy haven't rly done Productive Things at all.

[MarioManiac4]

Why are we having this debate anyways
zzzzzzz

[MarioManiac4]

MM4's conclusive case on why Cop should CC

Town for scum is a good trade. End. Of.
It doesn't matter if you think you're a gr9 player and everyone should sheep you, or if you think that your 50% clears and 50% chance of detecting scum are so valuable that you simply cannot sacrifice yourself. If cop claims here, we get a HUGE advantage. It allows scum to die BEFORE we get our chance to (probably) lynch multiple times d2. In fact we could slaughter a scumteam before d2's dawn. If cop doesn't claim here, scum WILL be treated as conftown, we will probably go and lynch town today, and when you attempt to CC later you will get lynched.

pedit: Actually I wasn't really joking at all

[MarioManiac4]

literally everything kawso said feels genuine
i can completely understand where he is coming from and i buy his explanations for everything. it just fits.

[MarioManiac4]

How about we don't help scum work out what their best move is here?

[MarioManiac4]

sounds like an objectively bad strategy tbh

[MarioManiac4]

I say we stop discussing theory and start flashwagoning Delta

[MarioManiac4]

viewtopic.php?p=9274283#p9274283

[MarioManiac4]

Why should I vote GNB with you?

[MarioManiac4]

I get the opposite impression. He seems to be scumhunting genuinely.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: DeltaW
i have skimmed the last five or so pages so my vote returns to this

por que motha fucka

read the thread motha fucka

[MarioManiac4]

Comm is uncc'd. Please shut up and talk about something else.

If Comm isn't cop then real cop should CC now. I'm not going to deal with analyzing your late game claim because you failed at doing a shitty roleswap.

This is also such a scummy post/concept? Why do you think the real Cop should out just for your own amusement? Someone claimed Cop and became the Mafia NK target. I'd say that is GOOD COVER for the real Cop. They are guaranteed to survive at least one night. Whenever Comm flips then you'll know if he is/isn't the Cop, and hence if/when the real Cop claims that has nothing to do with Comm fake claiming (if he is fake claiming).

scum have doctors
zzzzz

[MarioManiac4]

MM4's conclusive case on why Cop should CC

Town for scum is a good trade. End. Of.
It doesn't matter if you think you're a gr9 player and everyone should sheep you, or if you think that your 50% clears and 50% chance of detecting scum are so valuable that you simply cannot sacrifice yourself. If cop claims here, we get a HUGE advantage. It allows scum to die BEFORE we get our chance to (probably) lynch multiple times d2. In fact we could slaughter a scumteam before d2's dawn. If cop doesn't claim here, scum WILL be treated as conftown, we will probably go and lynch town today, and when you attempt to CC later you will get lynched.

pedit: Actually I wasn't really joking at all

For THIS SETUP, Conf!Town is not AT ALL a god thing. They're a PRIME NK TARGET for at least one scum group, and there is NO TOWN DOCTOR, so treat them as confirmed if you will, but they will flip sooner than later still.

very much preferable to lynching them
if we run someone up now and they claim cop i won't believe it
cop getting nightkilled- ww doctor could or could not choose to protect it for a few nights. if they do or do not it could give us information on how likely their partners were to be vigged.
all i'm asking is that we do normal play and that the cop- who has a 33% of detecting scum it visits and isn't too far from a named townie- outs to out mafia if it's not comm

[MarioManiac4]

MM4, Can we do Echo instead?
His posts are pinging me =(
-Ali

pedit: They don't want the attention?

i'd rather do delta but we could do echo

[MarioManiac4]

I am so not looking forward to failing to read Balki this game.

Also, will you be playing the entire game as a condescending asshole? Is it some sort of role play?

nah, either vig just shoots whoever or they shoot the common scumreads
telling vig to shoot you p1 is WIFOM and unhelpful

Wowie MM4, look at you.
So helpful.

Thanks I try.

VOTE: Kawso

VOTE: DeltaW

So many empty posts, if you want to call my stuff fake, actually put some stuff in the thread of substance, that's why I come daily so there's enough substance to mkae a post about it.

"Is not giving reasons for votes the new meta, or would you care to enlighten any of us?"
this really doesn't have anything to do with the general consensus on how scummy people are

Makes you seem more scummy.
VOTE: Mario

Nah this isn't a natural evaluation of my ISO. You're saying "Mario is scummy because there are some posts that do not have content" and calling that me not providing content, but if you evaluated it you would notice I have in fact given content.

I think it' pretty natural given that it makes up half your posts.

You're using it to justify voting me for not giving content despite the fact that I have gave content and you're just ignoring it because it doesn't fit your narrative. If there is in fact a different reason for criticising me for not giving content despite the fact that I have given content, and had given content at the time, now is the time to inform me.

[MarioManiac4]

I don't like voting d1

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Delta L-1

[MarioManiac4]

that wasn't actually even l1 lmao

[MarioManiac4]

also your vote is unhelpful

[MarioManiac4]

scum on the wagon doesn't make delta town btw
this is multiball

[MarioManiac4]

Just out of curiosity Gamma why do you scumread Delta? You never mentioned it

[MarioManiac4]

fair

[MarioManiac4]

scum on the wagon doesn't make delta town btw
this is multiball

hmm

good point

dont you think its more likely that theres scum on the wagon? (scum being colloquial for werewolves/mafia here)

hmmmm

there's probably a scum on the wagon just from sheer numbers (6/17 of the game are scum)
however I don't find any of the votes on delta scummy individually

[MarioManiac4]

counterwagons aren't gonna be a thing this game rly
this is multiball scum only have 3/17 votes
also before this page kawso was a viable counter

[MarioManiac4]

literally 2 people are Delta's scumbuddies
there are plenty of viable options for that

[MarioManiac4]

whatever.
VOTE: echo
i don't have the charisma to push through a lynch.
if ppl want to do delta i'm willing anytime.

[MarioManiac4]

daily reminder that bella is scum

Why is Bella scum?

[MarioManiac4]

Bottom line is un-cc'd cop sticks around till before lylo
UNVOTE:

This is the correct attitude!

[MarioManiac4]

Claim time Delta.

Um

What

Why not? Until Alisae decided to abandon a perfectly good scumlynch, he was the de facto lynch for today.

[MarioManiac4]

Now is probably the right time to ask Frog to do Frog things and tell me why the hell we should be lynching Tenshii today.

[MarioManiac4]

I want to iso Delta eventually

There's no time like the present.

[MarioManiac4]

I hardclaim Town Jack of All Trades.

[MarioManiac4]

daily reminder that bella is scum

Why is Bella scum?

jumping on a wagon and tryign to look busy

Honestly I see jumping on wagons far more from town than scum. I don't think it makes Bella scum.
Honestly Bella's content seems pretty genuine. Can you point me to where she has been trying to look busy?

[MarioManiac4]

Delta, you said, "which ever of you is scum," implying that you find one of them to be scum. who of balki/gamenburger is scum/scummier?

I like this Delta's post was weird, frustration without a clear come down, but implied one (why not both? or none?) would flip scum, but didn't follow this up. You can have the points your avatar lost you back.

VOTE: Sesq

I don't hate this as a vote, but why so many nahs? can you explain?

@Comm/Sesq: Your reads on each other please. Also, if it's not much to ask, your top 3 scum reads each.

hey! We've played before - any initial thoughts yourself?

also, someone said i was quiet. come talk to me

Game, it's a tone thing. There's a lot on page 4 that got to me, between you and belki (especially the etymology, just...no, you've out-nerded me) but belki seemed to be linking it more to the game, rather than posturing.

@almost, that vote is gross and i asked you questions.

VOTE: a50

@sibs, if you have words to use, can you use them in my direction?

VOTE: delta

was fine with this pages ago, am still.

l-2?

what about my vote on the wagon pings you, sesq?

^ these are all examples of Bella doing something.

[MarioManiac4]

not really.
Bella comes in, expresses her opinion on Delta (which she does follow up on), scumreads GNB and a50 consistently.
she is actually doing things.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: DeltaW
i have skimmed the last five or so pages so my vote returns to this

por que motha fucka

read the thread motha fucka

I came across your case eventually, however it was only on about two posts iirc. I'm assuming that's just due to the lack of content from him.

Is his lack of posts pinging you as scummy too? is that part of it?

two posts can make somebody scummy
his lack of posts isn't pinging me. if it was i'd probably be voting hawk.

[MarioManiac4]

Because Delta seems to be grandstanding

excuse me sir what is grand standing if ya don't mind me askin

appealing to the general populace
(i am very proficient in googling)

[MarioManiac4]

Preliminary reads:

No STRONG TRs
Town Leans on: CommKnight, Kawso, Flubbernugget
Null/Town: beeboy, Balki B
Null: Bellaphant, Tenshii, MarioManiac4, GameNBurger, EchoVision
Scum Leans: Gamma Emerald, Sesq, Hawk, havingfitz, Siblings Pet Doggo, DeltaW

Can lynch any of the bottom six

Your reads are like, twenty shades of fucked up.
Just sayin.
How did you come to the conclusion on like, all of your reads?

-Ali

Let's flashwagon Delta

why...? didn't delta make a "case" against you like a page ago? is that why...?

^ this post twas shitty. He sounds way too concerned about my comment especially consisering he didn't look in my ISO for the answer

Other than that he's pretty null

^ this is my read on you
part of it is following ali tho

[MarioManiac4]

I want to iso Delta eventually

not enough posts to iso and get a read Imo but he does need to start acitiving the fuck up

I demand your reads on havingfitz and Hawk.

[MarioManiac4]

actually the correct answer was "vig bait"
whatever though i'm thinking you're actually town
VOTE: tenshii
i'm taking sheeping players not in the game to a whole new level here

[MarioManiac4]

strongly disagree

[MarioManiac4]

what do you strongly disagree with?

"if you truly scum read delta then vote for delta and not a null read that could potentially gain steam"

[MarioManiac4]

MArio, why those two people? seem like super weird choices, how is echo gonna have opinions on basically absent slots? fitz has done more, i think, but nothing noteworthy. Can we chat?

also, lol at being called out by the queen of one liners.

@ali, i miss your hydra buddies

p-edit, yeah, echo is town.

it was meant more as a point to show echo delta's activity is readable.
we can talk, sure.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Oh. He scumclaimed.

i'll get to more in a few mins but i don't like this post because you never actually say when he scum claimed and three iso posts later you vote delta even though you never read

Tenshii likes to shitpost on d1. It's one of the better ideas mafia players tend to have.

[MarioManiac4]

why do i get the feeling echovision would rather say "por que motha fucka" than read the thread

[MarioManiac4]

Ace, that's what I thought you were doing.

I'm starting to get super paranoid about the doggo hydra, mario. thoughts? agree delta's activity is readable.

why do you thhink sesq is making her shitty push on me? looks like scum busy!work, but i might just be being paranoid - all of the doggo hydra will know it reminds me of dunn!scum from rc's game we just finished.

tenshi prolly isn't scum.

yeah doggo could be scum? i knew how to read frog, not sure if i have retained that ability from like two years ago, but he hasn't posted anything but borks, and i have no idea how to read alisae.
i really have no clue why sesq is doing what she is doing but it makes you townier somehow
why don't you think tenshii is scum?

pedit: grandstand
ˈɡran(d)stand/Submit
verbderogatory
gerund or present participle: grandstanding
seek to attract applause or favourable attention from spectators or the media.
"they accused him of political grandstanding"

[MarioManiac4]

why do i get the feeling echovision would rather say "por que motha fucka" than read the thread

because i definitely would however that's not acceptable play so i have to say

something

other than por que motha fucka

i was more referring to the fact that you have repeatedly asked people to give reasons for their votes or statements when they have already done so

[MarioManiac4]

what do you strongly disagree with?

"if you truly scum read delta then vote for delta and not a null read that could potentially gain steam"

if your vote was just an attempt at pressure then yeah i see where you disagree however if you were hoping that the case would stick then i stand by my prior statement.

eh i think that you should always vote where your vote will be the most helpful
this links into me thinking that opportunism is good town play (i think we discussed that a bit in backup6 altho it might have been someone else idk)

[MarioManiac4]

i know how to read town frog. it's him not being here that worries me, although i know he has poker shit this w/e? like, trans and frog and ali just obv!towned it in a game with me and i'm not etting the same vibes.

hahaha shitty pushes do that to me when i'm town.

because i like the confidence? it feels genuine, not the forced way scum do it.

@gamma, that post was, and still is, gross.

frog probably just realised it was a bad idea to play a mafia game with me

i mean alisae does feel pretty town although i have no idea why he is the only head who is playing this game?
to be honest i think confidence is just tenshii's playstyle and considering how confident frog claims to be according to alisae tenshii feels like an alright vote. i'm open to quite a few votes right now though. (we DO have six scum.)

actually
VOTE: DeltaW
let's give this one s e c o n d l i f e

[MarioManiac4]

why do i get the feeling echovision would rather say "por que motha fucka" than read the thread

because i definitely would however that's not acceptable play so i have to say

something

other than por que motha fucka

i was more referring to the fact that you have repeatedly asked people to give reasons for their votes or statements when they have already done so

well her reason was shit iirc so i'm attempting to get better reasons

in that case you should try asking for better reasons instead of just for reasons?

[MarioManiac4]

what do you strongly disagree with?

"if you truly scum read delta then vote for delta and not a null read that could potentially gain steam"

if your vote was just an attempt at pressure then yeah i see where you disagree however if you were hoping that the case would stick then i stand by my prior statement.

eh i think that you should always vote where your vote will be the most helpful
this links into me thinking that opportunism is good town play (i think we discussed that a bit in backup6 altho it might have been someone else idk)

idk i don't really remember anything from that game because it was fast as fuck

blame my epic sheeping skills

[MarioManiac4]

would you rather i say "yo necesito mas"

"I need more"

that or just "i think your push is shit"
i don't think this conversation is helping us find scum tho

[MarioManiac4]

{Bella, Gamma, Kawso, CommKnight, Balki, Echo} are my townreads at this point. I wouldn't want to lynch {A50 because he's a townlean, vigbait because the one that gets lynched will probably be the town one, sibs because they will generate activity lategame, GNB because they're a townlean, Flubber}
my lynch pool is {Sesq, (Tenshii? not sure), Delta} with a strong preference towards the latter

[MarioManiac4]

Official Vote Count 1.27

Lynching

With 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to lynch.

Kawso

(3): Hawk, havingfitz, beeboy

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-06-13 01:40:00)

this wagon is extremely killable tbh

[MarioManiac4]

i mean all three of its members are extremely good vigbait
or we could powerlynch them if y'all drag this out to deadline
either way all three should die at some point prior to lylo

[MarioManiac4]

Can we policy lynch MariaR for stealing my typo name?

[MarioManiac4]

Why is Echo being townread? The most notable things he's done is scream every now and then in Spanish (POR QUE????) and push my easy as fuck to push slot.

tone

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: DeltaW
i am way too impatient for a claim and i always wanted this lynch anyways =D

[MarioManiac4]

i mean im almost certain btd6 flips scum here so~

[MarioManiac4]

Can we policy lynch MariaR for responding to memes about a game she wasn't in?

[MarioManiac4]

Tomorrow is gonna have a wagon full of scumbutts on me without a reason for scumreading me. I'll take it.

No you're going to get nightkilled because scum think you're the jailkeeper.

[MarioManiac4]

That won't work because scum has a roleblocker. They know there's no doc.

[MarioManiac4]

Wtf
Am I playing the right game

Yes, we're both playing matrix5. What's the problem?

[MarioManiac4]

aren't we all

[MarioManiac4]

>le me, having no life and going on mafiascum
>refreshes egosearch, sees a new response, gets excited
>oh shit it's podoboq

[MarioManiac4]

[MarioManiac4]

No fucking clue how many scum there are, I've stated my reads at this point

[MarioManiac4]

DeltaW

(8):

Tenshii

,

Gamma Emerald, Bellaphant

,

CommKnight, MarioManiac4

,

Almost50, GameNBurger, Siblings Pet Doggo

coloured for echo's benefit

[MarioManiac4]

Wait we're voting someone with 9 posts....wut

Yes that's precisely what we're doing

[MarioManiac4]

nice to see that echovision is wrong

[MarioManiac4]

Why's he wrong.

Because Delta's activity is enough to read from as suggested by the fact that there is a L-1 wagon on him.

[MarioManiac4]

nice to see that echovision is wrong

if you can scum read him from 9 posts, then how do you read havingfitz? or beeboy? or anyone who has sub 20 posts

Maria is pretty scummy tbh just on gut and also the fact she's opposing the delta wagon on objectively incorrect grounds
beeboy looks pretty town because they came in and gave their solid opinions. On the other hand their Kawso vote is shit and that is further supported by the fact they still have not removed it.

[MarioManiac4]

Delta's Iso
-1 rvs post
-1 non sense post
-2 discussion posts
-1 post calling 2 people morons
-2 scum hunting posts
-2 shading posts


The fuck??????

are you trying to evaluate the posts or just trying to categorise them so that you can push tenshii instead

[MarioManiac4]

Yeah forgot mariaf subbed for having so that wasn't too great of an example. However, if Maria is scum for opposing the delta wagon, then am I scum as well??

no because you have done other things that seem town

[MarioManiac4]

Delta's Iso
-1 rvs post
-1 non sense post
-2 discussion posts
-1 post calling 2 people morons
-2 scum hunting posts
-2 shading posts


The fuck??????

are you trying to evaluate the posts or just trying to categorise them so that you can push tenshii instead

Both. That is legit Delta's whole iso and that flip is not even close to as good as other wagons the fact the wagon is so easy and the only risk is "waiting for a claim" shows a town wagon.

That isn't Delta's whole ISO.
How is the fact the wagon "is so easy" important in multiball?

[MarioManiac4]

it was a meme :_:

[MarioManiac4]

viewtopic.php?p=9146925#p9146925

[MarioManiac4]

But scum don't know if they are wagoning scum or not

[MarioManiac4]

So delta has basically been the leading wagon the whole game yeah thought so besides Comm at some point

Nah. It was just me for a while, then it built up, then it died again, then it rebuilt

[MarioManiac4]

If Tracker!Kawso isn't dead tonight then you can bet your ass I'm pushing him tomorrow!

ewww set up post is bad set up post is trash

My intent is real btw so fight me.

Jesus christ that isn't a real post this setup doesn't even HAVE a tracker.

[MarioManiac4]

What's your point? Scum are scumhunting just like the rest of us.

Yeah. So scum possibly being on Delta doesn't make Delta town.
Don't argue scum have completely overrun a 8-player wagon pls

[MarioManiac4]

Kawso there are 6 scum in this game.
Who are they?

[MarioManiac4]

Why would i even claim tracker d1 when I'm not getting lynched

What do you mean by this?

[MarioManiac4]

What's your point? Scum are scumhunting just like the rest of us.

Yeah. So scum possibly being on Delta doesn't make Delta town.
Don't argue scum have completely overrun a 8-player wagon pls

That's not my argument at all don't misrep me my argument is someone with 9 posts that have barely anything scummy in them with barely any posts either being the top wagon for a long time is sus as fuck.

Would you consider yourself a bias person?

No, I don't consider myself confbiased. I do however think that your arguments as to why Delta is town are incorrect.

[MarioManiac4]

If you're gonna put words in my mouth at least tell me what it is I truly believe, clarity goes a long way in conversation

Sure. It's quite clear:

If you wanna look town by making the first accusation, at least don't crumble as soon as someone half observes you making the move you're accusing someone else of making

Here's a protip next time you get anything non townie, or even if you do get townie, Less is more.

You have suggested, with much more certainty than SPD, that I am scum.

Ah I see, lovely you can detect my hint of dry sarcasm with those sentences to call me a condescending asshole, but cant seem to read the conclusion of my post, ya know, the most important part that states the point:

(3)Its not, if you're referring to question 2, and if you're not, it helps to use direct subjects in questions, not pronouns. Nice bait by the way,

I don't personally think Echo's claim holds water but I do think the fact that you seem to be in panic mode makes it worth the vote for pressure. I honestly cant say if you're 100% scum, but i think some pressure will help me decide in the end.

Thank you for atleast being clear with what you're saying, I'm gonna have a lot of fun having pull teeth everytime I want to know what you're saying.

Also, will you be playing the entire game as a condescending asshole? Is it some sort of role play?

Nah, I just happen to be a condescending asshole to everyone, or atleast I am when deciphering what you're trying to say takes so much time (with the exception of your post before you panic, could we get your posts to resemble that atleast?). Please be clear and direct when saying things, and I cant seriously remember the last time direct anger baiting (The calling me a condescending asshole bit so i'm clear) ever worked.

POST AUTHORSHIP Since you posted with a more thoughtful post since i started writing: Thats what i'm looking for as far as clarity goes, and to itterate more on why I think you were in panic mode: Shortfire posts, the lack of clarity, the primary use of ethos rather logos in arguments. I repeat this since i'm demanding a sense of quality from your posts, I might as well hold myself to the same standard.

Can you two stop this, separate arguments is anti-town, all I see is 2 fuckwits arguing over a point made several pages ago and escalating it so which ever of you is scum can use it as material for your wagon later.

He calls the wagon anti-town, while not actually trying to solve who is town or scum.

I am so not looking forward to failing to read Balki this game.

Also, will you be playing the entire game as a condescending asshole? Is it some sort of role play?

nah, either vig just shoots whoever or they shoot the common scumreads
telling vig to shoot you p1 is WIFOM and unhelpful

Wowie MM4, look at you.
So helpful.

Thanks I try.

VOTE: Kawso

VOTE: DeltaW

So many empty posts, if you want to call my stuff fake, actually put some stuff in the thread of substance, that's why I come daily so there's enough substance to mkae a post about it.

"Is not giving reasons for votes the new meta, or would you care to enlighten any of us?"
this really doesn't have anything to do with the general consensus on how scummy people are

Makes you seem more scummy.
VOTE: Mario

^ this isn't a genuine evaluation

^this is the main meat of my case
if you (not referring to anyone in particular here) do not like the delta lynch- you should post your alternative case

[MarioManiac4]

But this is all irrelevant anyway since Balki is deciding our lynch

[MarioManiac4]

I'll choose who we lynch soon. I haven't decided yet. But I want to choose.

^ this is what I'm waiting for

[MarioManiac4]

k that makes sense.
yeah it'd be great if you could go get some scumreads.

[MarioManiac4]

I was going to ask questions about Kawso's reads but then I realised that Kawso is obvtown.

[MarioManiac4]

Also lmao at me having more posts than a hydra of Ali, Frog and Transcend

[MarioManiac4]

something not being genuine implies scum, you would think?

[MarioManiac4]

by in-genuine are you talking about his "Makes you seem more scummy"??

no
the case looks like after i voted him, he went into my iso, digged up crap he could find (accused me of lack of content from shitposts, ignoring that I did give content which you would notice if you evaluated my ISO genuinely), and then voted me for it
although that line is pretty horrific, yes

[MarioManiac4]

I really fail to see scum motivation in attempting to find shit on you out of all people

OMGUS seems too obvious and I don't think scum like ever do that

also there's not that much scummy shit in your iso to push on

I see scum!delta pushing somebody like Bella or siblings or maybe even kawso but not you

times were different many pages ago

[MarioManiac4]

also there's not that much scummy shit in your iso to push on

which is part of why that post is suuuuuuuper forced.

[MarioManiac4]

i see OMGUS votes come way more often from town

I don't see this. (Delta on his main + DeltaW has almost 1000 posts, by the way.)

[MarioManiac4]

ReaperCharlie.

pedit: everything else echovision has done in the last 15 pages or so

[MarioManiac4]

Please stop pushing obvtown, it's not a great look on you.

[MarioManiac4]

If you're referring to Kawso, obvtown my ass.

Gamma, Echo and Kawso, actually!

[MarioManiac4]

kawso hasn't been fluffing or flailing or doing anything newbscum would do ever.
kawso has been directly calling out shit he sees. his thoughs follow and his tone is genuine. if kawso's scum here, i'm going to be SUPER impressed.

[MarioManiac4]

Anytime Kawso outs his thought process in his posts, it matches a scum mentality way more than a town mentality can ever be.

not seeing this

[MarioManiac4]

The PR comment was admittedly a result of me rushing to get a post in & provide worthwhile content. I said it, as I wasn't sure of your alignment, and thus wanted people to stop fully scumreading you. Looking back, I'd have worded it differently as to not imply you may be a PR.

So worried about self image that he threw out a scum/PR read. (That's what scum is hunting for)

Because sometimes I feel that If i'm visiting the site but not making a comment, people might scumread me for playing cautiously. In fact, it's kinda the reason I asked Tens to share some reads.

Again worried about self image.

[MarioManiac4]

i mean im almost certain btd6 flips scum here so~

Who??

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=71497

[MarioManiac4]

that was luck

i'm totes town now yknow

i don't believe you

[MarioManiac4]

why not?

because you got a scum role pm

[MarioManiac4]

giving delta time to claim is probably not the worst idea

pedit: tbh my thing wasn't even a wall

[MarioManiac4]

inb4 someone says that we're ending the day too early whereas it is actually optimal to end it soon if delta doesn't claim pr yaaaaay

[MarioManiac4]

Wait Frog is in this game?

[MarioManiac4]

you're correct, thanks
this game needs 100% more frog though

[MarioManiac4]

aren't we all

[MarioManiac4]

I'll choose who we lynch soon. I haven't decided yet. But I want to choose.

^ this is what I'm waiting for

There's no fucking way this happens. Balki isn't anywhere close to having the crowd needed for this

I'm all the crowd he needs

[MarioManiac4]

surprisingly

echovision is correct

[MarioManiac4]

to be fair that sounds like a good objective

[MarioManiac4]

surprisingly

echovision is correct

jackass

You're welcome

[MarioManiac4]

aren't we all

[MarioManiac4]

Kinda wanta hammer him so we don't have to put up with the waiting game but that's a bad move

Strongly disagree

[MarioManiac4]

(I'm memeing although if you do choose to hammer I won't be shedding many tears)

[MarioManiac4]

[MarioManiac4]

ITT WhyMafia thinks that catching up is a good idea rather than shitposting like the rest of us and just getting reads from current conversation, thus being behind the times until mid-day 2

[MarioManiac4]

Revote please

[MarioManiac4]

Mafia

[MarioManiac4]

Balki I'm sorry to break this to you but you're not deciding our lynch.

[MarioManiac4]

Strongly agree.

[MarioManiac4]

Balki I'm sorry to break this to you but you're not deciding our lynch.

Please sheep me on this vote, and forever more.

I'll sheep you if you vote Delta!

[MarioManiac4]

Switch to a Chikorita avatar pls

[MarioManiac4]

Balki I'm sorry to break this to you but you're not deciding our lynch.

Rather than telling me I don't get to decide, why not read what I have to say, and tell me where I'm wrong, and where I'm right?

I'll do that with your case if you do that with my Delta case.

[MarioManiac4]

You now have a godly avatar.
Accept the Chikocult.
Will respond to Balki when I stop being lazy.

[MarioManiac4]

You are perfect in every way, Kawso.
Now we just need the other 14 players in the game to adopt CHIKORITAS

[MarioManiac4]

ITT WhyMafia thinks that catching up is a good idea rather than shitposting like the rest of us and just getting reads from current conversation, thus being behind the times until mid-day 2

Last time I hammered cause town told me so I got mislynched in LYLO

I won't hammer till I know why he's scum sorry :/

nah I just have a bad habit of being way too snarky
most of the things you say will likely have been heard before, though; so it may be a good idea to keep that in mind

[MarioManiac4]

@balki
delta is scum because;
firstly, viewtopic.php?p=9274283#p9274283
secondly, "For those of you who aren't voting right now, why not and who's your top 2 scumreads right now." when pretty much all players are voting is a triviality and looks like busywork. i could get behind pressuring players to vote early game, but this is just bad.
thirdly, "I think it' pretty natural given that it makes up half your posts." is bad because despite me pointing out what he had done, he chose to just stick to it (people were largely nullreading me at this point)

[MarioManiac4]

Tenshii

As for Tenshii, I did not like his repeated delegitimizing the Siblings case on Comm by saying “it’s a meta case.” It wasn’t solely “a meta case,” and the fact that Siblings had some experience with Comm in the past to use as a frame of reference only helped the weight of the case. Tenshii repeated that it’s just a meta case in 332 and 335 in a way to cut off conversation and discourage anyone from thinking carefully about the case and Comm’s alignment. I don’t see a town-driven reason to be so dismissive.

Tenshii also shows some effort to blend in with posts like 103 and 993. Tenshii hasn’t really taken any stands or pushed the thread in any particular direction. He is reactive. And he is eager to lynch Delta, even after first voting simply “for the sake of putting 4 consecutive votes on him” at 502. Just the definition of reactive and non-skeptical play.

VOTE: Tenshii

Tenshii not liking Ali's case isn't really that AI; "discourage anyone from thinking carefully about the case and Comm’s alignment." is a stretch and a half here. Tenshii doesn't like Ali's case, there is no real scum motivation to do what he did there. the town motivation would be just plainly disagreeing (which was accurate in the end since commknight is conftown)

I don't really see how those posts indicate blending in?

I mean yeah you made some valid points and Tenshii could be scum. But Delta is more likely.

[MarioManiac4]

fair

[MarioManiac4]

aren't we all

[MarioManiac4]

GameNBurger ascends to godhood

[MarioManiac4]

no

[MarioManiac4]

way they went on the wagon can be read
not the position that's just silly
also effort:reward ratio for debating with balki is off

[MarioManiac4]

CHIKORITAAAAAA <3 <3 <3
BEST PLAYERLIST 2017

[MarioManiac4]

WE SHALT NOT REST
LET'S MAKE THIS OPEN 690: CHIKORITA MAFIA

[MarioManiac4]

No he was just being completely unhelpful by criticising discussion and not even trying to use it

[MarioManiac4]

Balki if you scumread me one more time I'm going to force you to get a chikorita avatar

[MarioManiac4]

Actually you should do that anyway

[MarioManiac4]

Kawso my fellow pokemon
THIS IS IT

[MarioManiac4]

Chikorita is the best pokemon and im so glad ppl are finally accepting the lord and saviour into their lives

[MarioManiac4]

tbf gen 2 isn't amazing
gen 4 chikorita is better
actually just chikorita is all you need from gen 2 tbh

[MarioManiac4]

gen 5 has the most good pokemon

[MarioManiac4]

Gen 4 has a large portion of my favourites, but Gen 5 introduced a severe power creep

I know right.
I'm sure I posted a list of good new pokemon somewhere let me find it.
(Before someone complains, this phase of the day is basically twilight but waiting for delta things to delta happen )

[MarioManiac4]

"Karrablast, Grubbin, Foongus, Alolan Vulpix, the entire Snivy line, Roggenrola line, the Sewaddle line, whimsicott/lilligant, the solosis line, Emolga, Shelmet, Joltik, Tynamo, litwick, axew, larvestaline, fennekin line, fletchling line, Espurr/Meowstic, the gen 6 fossils, Goomy line <3, rowlet + decidueye, primarina, cutiefly line, dewpider/araquanid, Morelull, Fomantis, Bounsweet, Mimikyu and Tapu Koko are ALL greats of the series."- me

[MarioManiac4]

the lynch is amazing btw

[MarioManiac4]

same tbh

[MarioManiac4]

m u l t i b a l l
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l a
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b t
a l
l u
l l a b i t l u m

[MarioManiac4]

that didn't come out right it was supposed to be a rectangle
nevertheless you get the idea

[MarioManiac4]

m u l t i b a l l
u.................l
l..................a
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b..................t
a..................l
l..................u
l l a b i t l u m

[MarioManiac4]

am i good enough for you maria senpai

[MarioManiac4]

[MarioManiac4]

hello scumbuddy of deltaw i'm fine how are you?

[MarioManiac4]

DeltaW,

Mafia Godfather

, has been lynched.

when you become leader of the labour party but still have to unite the working class and overthrow the bourgeoisie

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Balki B
scumlean on me was horrific, this is the best vote
also lmao at werewolves not protecting their alpha and getting rekt

[MarioManiac4]

no it means they protected commknight as is evident from the missing kill