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Oh didn't see thisIn post 3356, Dierfire wrote:The game is now over and the thread is open for post-game discussion.
I'll start by thanking everyone who played in this game, particularly the replacement players! I'd also like to apologize again for the delay in opening the thread for D4.
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AND THIS SETUP WAS SO TOWN SIDED
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I'm not sure about this; certainly the Jack of All Trades has some strength (not least because the Vigilante power allows recovery to odd numbers if the Weak Jailkeeper targets Mafia), but the Role Cop does not get many useful results (all Mafia players and Town Citizens give identical results, Ascetic Jack of All Trades gives no result). Its real utility probably comes from checking fake claims from Mafia players or using its Loud modifier as a weaker version of a Friendly Neighbor--but those two functions don't overlap very well.In post 3378, WhyMafia wrote:AND THIS SETUP WAS SO TOWN SIDED- WhyMafia
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Ahh I see what you meanIn post 3380, Dierfire wrote:
I'm not sure about this; certainly the Jack of All Trades has some strength (not least because the Vigilante power allows recovery to odd numbers if the Weak Jailkeeper targets Mafia), but the Role Cop does not get many useful results (all Mafia players and Town Citizens give identical results, Ascetic Jack of All Trades gives no result). Its real utility probably comes from checking fake claims from Mafia players or using its Loud modifier as a weaker version of a Friendly Neighbor--but those two functions don't overlap very well.In post 3378, WhyMafia wrote:AND THIS SETUP WAS SO TOWN SIDED
By the way, of it isn't much of a hassle, can you (or someone) give me pointers on how to improve/where my faults were?
I am just a hindrance in town LYLO as of right now :/- Michael Lee
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whymafia to be honest you were onto flubber etc pretty quickly so you played a pretty strong early game, and got townread etc
like I got paranoid and switched from backhand into another team, but yea I kind of ruined it
either way, I think your defense seemed like you weren't invested / didn't care about the outcome, like you would keep saying you're bad at lylo and focus on irrelevant things like top post etc, which made me think you were nervous/trapped/scum. but yea I was wrong so oh well- Kasumeat
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Ohh. You didn't ruin it. I just had no idea how to properly defend myself, so I went on the offense to make up for it. I should've been a tad more flame to suppose :pIn post 3382, Michael Lee wrote:whymafia to be honest you were onto flubber etc pretty quickly so you played a pretty strong early game, and got townread etc
like I got paranoid and switched from backhand into another team, but yea I kind of ruined it
either way, I think your defense seemed like you weren't invested / didn't care about the outcome, like you would keep saying you're bad at lylo and focus on irrelevant things like top post etc, which made me think you were nervous/trapped/scum. but yea I was wrong so oh well
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I couldn't find it late in the game when I looked either, but I knew the scum had daytalk. I remember thinking about bringing it up and then going "ugh, things are bad enough for me right now, I don't want to have to defend over that"In post 3386, Kasumeat wrote:I don't see it in the rules- Dierfire
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It's in Rule 18 (right before the bolded part).In post 3386, Kasumeat wrote:I don't see it in the rules- Kasumeat
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That's about normal power for town vs 3 goons?In post 3380, Dierfire wrote:
I'm not sure about this; certainly the Jack of All Trades has some strength (not least because the Vigilante power allows recovery to odd numbers if the Weak Jailkeeper targets Mafia), but the Role Cop does not get many useful results (all Mafia players and Town Citizens give identical results, Ascetic Jack of All Trades gives no result). Its real utility probably comes from checking fake claims from Mafia players or using its Loud modifier as a weaker version of a Friendly Neighbor--but those two functions don't overlap very well.In post 3378, WhyMafia wrote:AND THIS SETUP WAS SO TOWN SIDED
Weak jailkeeper is kind of shitty as investigative, and will very rarely see late game
Loud role cop just announces himself as a PR and eats a bullet early on
And the joat is pretty good but potentially claims ascetic day 1 and eats an early bullet if scum don't have better ideas
normally towns have some kind of power that has reasonable odds of seeing late game, this one didn't at all, and its top two roles (jk, joat) were both less useful than a full jailkeepr or a full cop.
Like, off the top of my head, standard cop, jailkeeper, and loud role cop is probably ok against 3 goons with daytalk, and town had less power than that.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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I don't think we did much more in daytalk than say we were going to bus each other
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I'm glad you enjoyed the game!
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Sorry, I meant to get back to this earlier. I think that you did fine in this game. You seemed consistently suspicious of Flubbernugget. The vote in LYLO is probably forgivable because of the game state at the time (see below), and in any case the Town was unlucky in this game.
In terms of power, I'm agreeing with the assessment of mhsmith0 that this was on the lower side of Town power. Especially within those confines, for Town to lose roles D1 and N1 made the game more difficult.
I also think that the sheer volume of posts in this game hurt the Town in two ways (or at two times). First, it makes it difficult to follow the game in real time. Second, it makes it difficult to assess the game in LYLO. These factors are not unique to this game; I will argue that such high volumes often hurt the Town.
I don't know that I saw any easily corrected things; it's probably a good exercise to put more effort/patience into LYLO in general but I don't think that there were many ways to salvage the game at that point.- WhyMafia
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Ah thanks for the analysisIn post 3396, Dierfire wrote:I'm glad you enjoyed the game!
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Sorry, I meant to get back to this earlier. I think that you did fine in this game. You seemed consistently suspicious of Flubbernugget. The vote in LYLO is probably forgivable because of the game state at the time (see below), and in any case the Town was unlucky in this game.
In terms of power, I'm agreeing with the assessment of mhsmith0 that this was on the lower side of Town power. Especially within those confines, for Town to lose roles D1 and N1 made the game more difficult.
I also think that the sheer volume of posts in this game hurt the Town in two ways (or at two times). First, it makes it difficult to follow the game in real time. Second, it makes it difficult to assess the game in LYLO. These factors are not unique to this game; I will argue that such high volumes often hurt the Town.
I don't know that I saw any easily corrected things; it's probably a good exercise to put more effort/patience into LYLO in general but I don't think that there were many ways to salvage the game at that point.
Regarding posts, I agree. I just couldn't keep on D2 with all the posts- Nexus
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