Mini 1904: Rad Idea Mafia! (Endgame!)

[Rautherdir]

I know that I for one drew all cards of the same alignment.
Also, you can't get town compulsive vig without also having another town card to serve as the alignment

[Rautherdir]

Why did you leave out Rauth? He's essentially claiming the same thing in the following post:

I know that I for one drew all cards of the same alignment.
Also, you can't get town compulsive vig without also having another town card to serve as the alignment

I didn't quite put it the same way as the others did. I never outright said I drew three town roles.

[Rautherdir]

Why shouldn't I be asking about alignments?
It's vague enough that the really strong PRs remain undercover, but there's plenty of reads to be gathered from how people answer that question.

If such a world exists where you aren't scum, who is then and why?

Rat - fishing for info with the alignments. It doesn't sit right with me.



All claiming to have only drawn town cards:
Rauth
Vanilla
Ircher

At LEAST one of them is lying. The odds of all of them drawing all town cards is very slim. We've talked about this. They're on my watch list.

Looks to me like my "fishing for info" is serving its purpose just fine. So why doesn't it sit right with you?

Also you left Gerry off that list. Any particular reason why?

Ah, yea, seems I did. Gerry should be on that list as well.

Honestly forgot Gerry was in this game when making that list. Should have double checked.

I went back and ISO'd though. I would even put him in one of my top scum reads.

Is that the second time you have forgotten someone who claimed all town cards?
I mean I explained why you could skim over me. But Gerry?
I guess you are just being absent-minded today maybe?

[Rautherdir]

Spoiler: Discards

Mini 1904 has officially begun! The following is the list of discards.

McMenno =

Two-shot Bulletproof Survivor

Rautherdir =

Town Ascetic

1 Shot Vanilla Town =

Town Private Investigator

Radical Rat =

Alien Prober

SnarkySnowman =

Town Gravedigger

TiphaineDeath =

Town Innocent Child

IAlwaysWinSometimes =

Alien Doppelganger

Ircher =

Town One-shot Commuter

Chickadee =

Werewolf

Lil Uzi Vert =

Town Miller

Necta =

Replicant Bloodsucker

gerryoat =

Watchlisted Townie

SlySly =

Werewolf Hooker

List of all Relevant Claims:

Spoiler: McMenno

oh and I'm ascetic ftr

If telling the truth, you are an Ascetic Mason

I have a mason buddy that can confirm if necessary.

Look my cards were town bloodhound, mafia ascetic mason and 2shot BP survivor. The mafia and survivor alignments were off the table as I'm not good at being mafia and site meta is survivors get policy lynched. I chose ascetic mason over 2shot BP as I don't get nightkilled very often and I thought it would shore up my weakness of being scumread often.

If telling the truth, you are either:
A Mafia Bloodhound, (Investigative action that provides town or not-town, Factional Kill, Factional Chat)
or a Town Ascetic Mason (Immune to all non-kill night actions, shares a PT with any other masons)

Spoiler: Rautherdir

I know that I for one drew all cards of the same alignment.
Also, you can't get town compulsive vig without also having another town card to serve as the alignment

I drew three town roles and am not Ascetic.

Spoiler: 1 Shot Vanilla Town

I received 3 town roles.
But given if I confirm them before others both of my hidden roles are unique.

If telling the truth, you are town and not a private investigator

Spoiler: Radical Rat

Hey guys, nice to see we're getting right into things.

Acting pro-town is not LAMIST. LAMIST usually implies a lack of content except to claim Town. Ircher is probably 3p.

Now then. I want to know the ALIGNMENTS of all three of everyone's cards. Mine were two aliens and one Town.

If telling the truth, you are either Town or Alien, and are not a Prober

Spoiler: SnarkySnowman

No information provided. You are not a Gravedigger.

Spoiler: TiphaineDeath

No information provided. You are not an Innocent Child.

Spoiler: IAlwaysWinSometimes/Riley Cake

No information provided. You are not a Doppelganger

Spoiler: Ircher

My role is compulsive, though not necessarily negative utility.

If telling the truth, you are a Compulsive Vigilante

Since Radical decided to out me, I drew the following cards:

1) VT
2) Town 1-Shot Commuter
3) Town Compulsive Vigilante

If telling the truth, you are either a Vanilla Townie or a Town Compulsive Vigilante (Must target a person to kill each night. If you fail to choose a target you probably target yourself).

Spoiler: Chickadee

And since you offered up your information, I was given town, SK, and werewolf alignment cards.

If telling the truth, you are either SK or Town.

Spoiler: Lil Uzi Vert

No information provided. You are not a miller.

Spoiler: Necta

No information provided. You are not a Bloodsucker.

Spoiler: gerryoat

I got all town roles too. I mean, obviously people are going to be lying, so i dont think that's something to scumread. the people who discarded a mafia card coulda got 2 mafia cards and took mafia as alignment. Also, I'm not sure if it would be done like this but im sure there was at least 2 people with all mafia roles, cause like what would happen if everyone chose town cards?

If telling the truth, you are town and are not watchlisted.

Spoiler: SlySly

My first card was Werewolf Hooker
I thought that was my alignment choices (Werewolf alignment) and (Hooker alignment)
So I picked Hooker(alignment) with the skill of one of my other cards.

After an explanation, I discarded what I saw as the Werewolf alignment card. I didn't realize I could use that card as a Hooker role was when I discarded it, though I'm sure it was explained properly. I didn't even know what the Hooker role was. My other 2 cards were town and I did know what the role is that I picked.

If telling the truth, you are town and are not a Hooker.

I'll be doing some math to see what the odds of this setup being possible. I will not release the math until after everyone claims their card alignments, however.
SnarkySnowman, TiphaineDeath, Riley Cake, Lil Uzi Vert, and Necta: You have yet to provide either your alignments or a valid reason not to.

While I was looking through I saw this though:

oh and I'm ascetic ftr

Explain ascetic to me. I'm special ed.

Never saw anyone answer this so:
Ascetic is a role modifier which causes the slot to reflexively roleblock any non-kill action targeting that slot at night.

[Rautherdir]

-snip-
Why have you taken it upon yourself to do your own setup speculation instead of scum hunt? Do you find the setup speculation others have done to be lacking? From my experience with you, this seem out of character. Reads like you're trying to get brownie points.

This setup encourages early game setup spec as a replacement to RVS. I noticed that some people are ignoring Radical Rat's attempts at sorting the game and am adding my own bit of pressure to get certain information into the open.
Speaking of which:
You have yet to reveal the alignments of your cards. Please do so.

[Rautherdir]

-snip-
Why have you taken it upon yourself to do your own setup speculation instead of scum hunt? Do you find the setup speculation others have done to be lacking? From my experience with you, this seem out of character. Reads like you're trying to get brownie points.

This setup encourages early game setup spec as a replacement to RVS. I noticed that some people are ignoring Radical Rat's attempts at sorting the game and am adding my own bit of pressure to get certain information into the open.
Speaking of which:
You have yet to reveal the alignments of your cards. Please do so.

Yes, but scumhunting is way more important and you are obviously avoiding doing so.

Setup spec tends to be beneficial for scum and possibly detrimental to town.

I think you are still under the assumption that there is only one antitown faction. In multiball scumhunting is not an indicator of town or scum, as both town and scum will participate. However, setup spec allows town to coordinate, allowing town to actually have a chance of making it to the end of the game.

[Rautherdir]

Of course I could be wrong, as we could be in a setup with only one anti-town player.

[Rautherdir]

But we could also be in MYLO with 6 scum in a single faction. So setup spec is necessary to prevent us from doing something stupid.

[Rautherdir]

Radical Rat and Chickadee, could you please tell me what the roles of your town cards were? Since you obviously aren't using them...

[Rautherdir]

Hmm. I need a bit to think this over. But for now at least:

SnarkySnowman, TiphaineDeath, Riley Cake, Lil Uzi Vert, and Necta: You have yet to provide either your alignments or a valid reason not to

Also, we should probably all post a reads list now. I need to look and see if Radical Rat had an obvious partner or not before I post mine though.

[Rautherdir]

The reads list is so that we can sort people better.
The alignments thing... Oh wait Radical Rat was scum. Hmm. On second thought no one else provide the alignments of your other cards. Unless someone provides a good reason to do so.

[Rautherdir]

I just realized I got games mixed up and have been playing as if I was a different role. @Mod, Sorry for any confusion that may have caused. (This message was posted to more than one game with the same text.)

[Rautherdir]

THAT WAGON ON CHICKADEE WAS BAD!!!

I told ya ya guys were all meanies!!!! >:C

VOTE: SlySly

ya were tryin' ta bully chickadee and NOW YA ARE BULLYIN' GERRY TOO!!! I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS EITHER!!!!

You weren't being very nice to Ircher, now. Don't be going all lamist on us.

Uh...
That is not LAMIST. Unlike Tiphaine I am usually okay with buzz-words, but please use them correctly if you do.

[Rautherdir]

Wait a moment. What is the argument for me being scum again?

[Rautherdir]

Wait a moment. What is the argument for me being scum again?

You essentially claimed scum earlier and you haven't been scum hunting.

Where did I claim scum?
Also I'm working on it.

Sorry for the confusion, this is why I should read before posting.
This is what RR said, not my views.

Okay that makes sense now.
I was kind of confused by that.

[Rautherdir]

We all picked our role based on cards we received at the beginning of the game.

[Rautherdir]

I think his alignment was like... A survivor who cannot win with town?
That's what I got out of it at least. And we almost definitely have multiple anti-town factions.

[Rautherdir]

Alright, I am only going to explain this once:
Everyone else who had claimed all 3 town draws up to that point explicitly stated they drew 3 town cards:

I received 3 town roles.
But given if I confirm them before others both of my hidden roles are unique.

Since Radical decided to out me, I drew the following cards:

1) VT
2) Town 1-Shot Commuter
3) Town Compulsive Vigilante

I, on the other hand, never once in my post explicitly said my cards were town. It would take one more step - knowing my discard was town - to deduct that I drew all town cards. Also, that post actually says something else I did not intend for it to say: It could also be taken as me having all cards that a given alignment had; in other words, that I was claiming to have the survivor card or both of the cult cards.

I know that I for one drew all cards of the same alignment.
Also, you can't get town compulsive vig without also having another town card to serve as the alignment

[Rautherdir]

Reads people, I want SRs from everyone.

Give me a few hours and I will.

[Rautherdir]

Do we get an immediate flip from your ability Sly?
Also Sonia you are begging for it. Just remember that being ascetic or bulletproof only protects you from

night

kills

[Rautherdir]

Not Ascetic, Suppressor. Sorry about that. Ascetic still wouldn't do anything about a dayvig though.

[Rautherdir]

Looking at the wiki it doesn't specify, so...

@Mod

, would a dayvig shot have it's flip immediately or would the kill be flipped along with our lynch at the end of twilight?

[Rautherdir]

Well. That happened. And we are still in the game so we probably have 1 more werewolf. Or maybe an alien/replicant.
Now who could possibly be allied with LUV?

[Rautherdir]

We can probably prove that McMenno is a mason. If anyone has a non-kill action they get results for, they can target McMenno and see if they get a no result or not. If they get a no result than McMenno is a mason. If they do not...

[Rautherdir]

Upon 4 consecutive intentional phases with no deaths ("Happily Ever After"), Town wins, unless they are all dead, in which case all living factions win.

Well, before we lynch anyone, do we want to try for this?

[Rautherdir]

I would ask McMenno for a claim but they already did...
Any final thoughts McMenno?

Intent to hammer

[Rautherdir]

Upon 4 consecutive intentional phases with no deaths ("Happily Ever After"), Town wins, unless they are all dead, in which case all living factions win.

Well, before we lynch anyone, do we want to try for this?

anyway this post is just bad

VOTE: rautherdir

It was because I thought town might be able to guarantee a win if the only anti-town factions remaining have limited shots.
That said: Any final thoughts McMenno?

[Rautherdir]

Okay then.
VOTE: McMenno

[Rautherdir]

Do we want a massclaim?

[Rautherdir]

Also if someone vigged Gerryoat speak now.

[Rautherdir]

I want any vigilantes to reply first though. For reasons.

[Rautherdir]

Just to make things clear:
Any Vigilantes should claim now, with who they targeted last night.
If you do not you are liable to be lynched.

[Rautherdir]

Okay. EVERYONE. IN YOUR NEXT POST CLAIM VIG OR NOT VIG.
If you claim vig list your targets.

I claim not Vig.

[Rautherdir]

Claim: Town Seer.

To prevent giving out information on other games, I cannot reveal what my action night 1 was.

I used my ability night 2 on SlySly and received not Werewolf.

Each of your next posts should include a full claim, as I have not heard any complaints against doing so.

[Rautherdir]

I just realized I got games mixed up and have been playing as if I was a different role. @Mod, Sorry for any confusion that may have caused. (This message was posted to more than one game with the same text.)

[Rautherdir]

Alright. One of the following is true:
a) I did not target anyone night one
b) I targeted someone from another game night one

Regardless, I did not gain any information night 1.

[Rautherdir]

Could you explain?

[Rautherdir]

On a side note, we might be in MYLO.

[Rautherdir]

That is not how parrot works.

[Rautherdir]

... Oh. Right. I forgot Gerry was an inventor.

[Rautherdir]

Well, from my perspective we can lynch within {Snarky, TiphaineDeath, and Riley Cake} for a probable 2 in 3 chance of hitting scum.

[Rautherdir]

I'll wait for them to claim before deciding. Sonia you have a pass on claiming for today but if we are still here day 4 you will need to claim.

[Rautherdir]

There are six roles I am going to treat as 'should not reveal'
Day Suicide Bomber
One-Night PGO
Supersaint
Vengeful
Both of the Unlynchables.
All of these roles but the PGO are exceptionally useful in LYLO for a town player to have.
The PGO is only useful next night, and is the only one of these roles that should claim tomorrow.

[Rautherdir]

My cards were
Town Seer
Town FBI Agent
Town Ascetic

[Rautherdir]

I'll be able to reveal my night 1 action in a bit...

[Rautherdir]

Night 1 action: No Action taken.

[Rautherdir]

I think I know what happened now.

[Rautherdir]

Snarky, your shot has probably been used.

[Rautherdir]

Gerry probably did since they had a 1-shot Private Investigator.

[Rautherdir]

The first night we had a compulsive vigilante.

[Rautherdir]

You can claim your role though, right?

[Rautherdir]

Alright. I'll express my current thoughts on the matter with a vote.
VOTE: TiphaineDeath

[Rautherdir]

If your PGO is still active we are in MYLO and it won't matter.

[Rautherdir]

Yay.
Who do you think is scum and why?

[Rautherdir]

Wow this is not a good sign.

Everyone, in the next 48 hours, and preferably in your next post, give two people you would want to see lynched today and at least two sentences explaining why for each.
Failure to do so will get you lynched.
I'll go first.

I would like to lynch TiphaineDeath because he has been lurking throughout the entire game. Tiphaine has also been making fairly safe play, most of his votes with the exception of Sonia have been on fairly popular wagons.

I would like to lynch Riley Cake because she has not stated much of an opinion on anyone today. Both of her votes so far were on town power roles with kill abilities.

[Rautherdir]

Okay so the both votes on power roles thing was a pretty bad reason to suspect you, but my first point on you still stands Riley...

[Rautherdir]

Yeah, the only reason I chose to put Riley over Snarky was because Snarky's role explains the second night kill.

[Rautherdir]

Oh he could be a scum-aligned PGO, couldn't he.
UGH NOW MY LYNCH POOL HAS THREE PEOPLE.

[Rautherdir]

I kind of wish you had not claimed gamma, but oh well that won't happen now.
I personally am banking on the fact that either that was an alien kill or a PGO kill, as that limits the number of kills we can have in the future.
I am completely okay with a TiphaineDeath lynch.
Also, hello Gamma.

[Rautherdir]

Guess we're waiting on Snarky and Riley to get back now...

[Rautherdir]

In that case I hope the second is alien.

[Rautherdir]

Possibly. Doesn't really change my lynch pool, just means we are in MYLO. Possibly. Unless they cross shoot and we win.

[Rautherdir]

Has a game ever ended with two separate scum shooting each other? That would be hilarious.

[Rautherdir]

I don't know anything anymore. I don't really know how to sort this, and I am increasingly afraid that we are in MYLO, so there really is only one thing to do.
VOTE: No Lynch

[Rautherdir]

No, it would be LYLO, wouldn't it. Great.

[Rautherdir]

Lynch scum or lose, if there is two... Hah, no I just realized something.
Scum can't win.

[Rautherdir]

Half of our players are NK proof.

[Rautherdir]

Take into account what I just said.

[Rautherdir]

I did, but I'm not as sure anymore. If we have two scum, then Snarky's PGO is still active. Some of the bulletproof shots could have been used, but probably not all.

[Rautherdir]

Yeah, you probably have the endless bulletproof. Which makes it imperative that you get lynched.
VOTE: 1-shot Vanilla Town
And that makes your sudden attack upon learning that Gamma is limitless bulletproof scummy to no end.

And that was a scum claim.

[Rautherdir]

Snarky is PGO?

Yeah.
Also I keep getting Parrot mixed up, that wasn't a scum claim.

[Rautherdir]

In terms of power role worth, Riley is the only slot we should lynch.
1SVT's role is fairly nice for town to have, but also for scum.
My role is only dangerous to a certain faction.
Everyone else is NK-immune to varying degrees of usefulness.

But the one thing we absolutely have to do is figure out how many scum there are.
So I think no lynching might be the best idea, let scum figure out what the best strategy is.
VOTE: No Lynch

[Rautherdir]

Besides, we do have this to look forward to:
Upon 4 consecutive intentional phases with no deaths ("Happily Ever After"), Town wins, unless they are all dead, in which case all living factions win.

[Rautherdir]

You might kill someone with your ability, I might catch a werewolf, who knows what could happen at night.

[Rautherdir]

If they kill they risk dying to your ability. If they are werewolves they risk getting caught by me.

We are no lynching today. We only have 3 days left anyways, and good luck getting everyone else to agree with you without giving solid proof.

[Rautherdir]

Wow. Just... Wow.

[Rautherdir]

Wait... What.
Okay let me wrap my head around what just happened and what this means.

[Rautherdir]

So we had one death, which would imply that there is only one killing faction left. Unless...
1SVT, who did you target?

[Rautherdir]

I vote c-Aliens.
Which makes our endgame extremely clear.
VOTE: No Lynch
Anyone who pushes for a lynch will be lynched. I highly doubt scum have a kill, so we can realistically no lynch our way to victory. Even if scum do have a night kill, we are almost certainly in MYLO so narrowing it down to 3 people is good.

[Rautherdir]

Speaking of which, If anyone is left it would either be aliens or werewolves. 1SVT is not a werewolf. He can parrot me as I target another person tonight so we can get two more confirmations in case a werewolf is alive and we have a night kill tonight.

[Rautherdir]

I knew that was suspect. Also, shame on you for making Gamma go on a trip through his previous games.
Also, Bye Gamma. See you in the post-game.

[Rautherdir]

Hmm. Requesting a shortened Night phase.