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Not_Mafia replaces bigbenwd.

Still searching for a replacement for Raya36.

[Gamma Emerald]

Eyyyy

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: bigbenwd

I've read up and this guy is serious obvscum

[Gamma Emerald]

Im curious whether that counts

[Grendel]

tbh I was looking forward to playing with ben. I like playing with older players, even if they're probably out of practice.

I guess he peeked at the current site meta and got frightened off?

@Gamma

Never played with Not_mafia, I think I read some games he was in tho, is a big trolly poster?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah. I think I've developed a method to read them however.

[Grendel]

When he comes in with more content I look forward to seeing your method in action.

I'm not a fan of trying to sort that kind of player.

[Not_Mafia]

tbh I was looking forward to playing with ben. I like playing with older players, even if they're probably out of practice.

I guess he peeked at the current site meta and got frightened off?

@Gamma

Never played with Not_mafia, I think I read some games he was in tho, is a big trolly poster?

How dare you

[Grendel]

UNVOTE:

hmmm

Mutton's recent posts feel genuine.

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How dare... meee?

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Hiraki replaces Raya36.

[Hiraki]

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[Gamma Emerald]

Oh shit I know this guy too

[Grendel]

Oh i misspelled sacred as scared lol.

That explains the "???"

So... when you were Mafia, you were

sacred

of using RQS around certain players...???

Scared

makes sense in that sentence - if you had reason to be concerned that using RQS in front of those players would lead to you being outed as scum. But I don't know how to even parse the word 'sacred' in that sentence structure. Could you perhaps elaborate on your meaning?

I was wanting to avoid RC, and Frogger as much as possible.

I could tell JR was predisposed to scum read me from the start.

RQS usually garners more attention then going off and scumhunting by myself.

RC, and Frogger had fresh town meta of me playing a game where I didn't RQS, or open with anything notable really. Thought I should keep that in line and not introduce something unexpected

The "???" was in reference to Accountant here.

More importantly, I was scared of using RQS around players like RC, Frogger, and JayReed.

???

What did you need this info for?

Catching up.

If things keep going like they were yesterday I may not need to analyze all the RQS responses. --Meaning-- that I've developed some reads I'm confidant in.

That's good!

Mind sharing them?

Right now my reads are:

Cheetory6, Gamma Emerald, notsure, Accountant,

MuttonChopMagic, Not_Mafia, Hiraki, CCC, Klick, DeathRowKitty,

Backhand, NotTheRealPaul,

My scum reads aren't especially strong, but I am p confidant in all my town reads.

The newly subbed in players are the dead null on the list of course.

[Grendel]

My current reads:

Towniest of the Town:
CCC

Slightly Townish:
Backhand, Cheetory

Mostly Neutral:
Accountant, Gamma, Grendel, Notsure, Raya36

Neutral but annoying:
MuttonChopMagic

Slightly scummy:
DeathRowKitty, Klick, NotTheRealPaul

The only one of these reads that's really got any strength at all is my own read, and that's only because I've seen my own role PM. But that's more or less my thinking so far.

I think I'm happy leaving my vote where it is for the moment.

What backhand doing way up there?

[Grendel]

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Hi Hiraki!

Remember me from Chosen mafia?

[Grendel]

I think most of last night's discussion is hard to parse. A problem with theory discussion (not that I've never been guilty of doing it) is that people will generally be honest about their theory thoughts and even if you disagree, your feelings about RQS are probably not scum or town indicative.

As I said above though, CCC is pretty obviously town. Think Cheetory and DRK have done a good job of trying to move forward, slight townreads there.

Everyone else somewhere in the middle.

Leaning Scum:

MCM is obnoxious and going to be really hard to read, OMGUS voted grendel, we could do worse.

I agree accountant's VI post is more "gotcha" than real but it did ping me, I'm not forgetting about it.
Raya was a little on the defensive side, would like her to come back and catch up.

The more I reread MCM's stuff the less I like it. I don't believe that he believes that rqs is actually a scumtell.

Vote MCM

idk, when I read this it looks like Back Hand taking advantage of Mutton's speech gimmick.

"Player x is mildly annoying, and there are ppl voting him. Sounds like a safe place to start."

VOTE: BackHand

[Grendel]

Just as a general question for everyone - is having around one in three players Mafia a reasonable ratio?

Which, with thirteen players, would mean four Mafia?

Players are reasoning that CCC is too straight a player to say the above as scum. I'd argue that he is too straight laced to say that period. It takes ten seconds to look at finished games and see the town scum ratios. I just don't see a data centric player like CCC, a player who game revolves around tangible facts, not taking to time to do some set up research to re-familize himself with site meta. :/

I'm not saying that CCC is mafia here. I do believe that this is something CCC is capable doing as ether alignment for town cred. I have experience of CCC using his meta as a popular D1 lynch to dissuade lynch rallying on him as both alignments. This situation seems like a parallel to me.

[MuttonChopMagic]

oh yay, hiraki is here
he's solid, scum should fear

anyways, that wagon I can stand
so without further adieu,
VOTE: backhand

[Accountant]

Grendel, let's talk about your strong tr of Gamma.

[Hiraki]

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Hi Hiraki!

Remember me from Chosen mafia?

yes - let's hope that this game goes as smoothly as that one

oh yay, hiraki is here
he's solid, scum should fear

i don't remember you

[Grendel]

Glanced over DRK. Her reaction is pretty text book for her era of player on this site. I think that calling RQS thee worst thing ever is an exaggeration tho. Don't really feel her Gamma read. Her position on Mutton seemed to be mild interest in his alignment. Unsure interactions are weird b/c it looked like she wasn't so much scum reading him as lecturing him.

Not Feeling Great on Kitty... maybe I just need to pow wow with her when she gets back? We are really on the same page reads wise I think.

Where did Klick go?

[Grendel]

Grendel, let's talk about your strong tr of Gamma.

Whats on your mind?

[Gamma Emerald]

egopost

Hi Hiraki!

Remember me from Chosen mafia?

yes - let's hope that this game goes as smoothly as that one

oh yay, hiraki is here
he's solid, scum should fear

i don't remember you

MCM is an alt I think

[Accountant]

Grendel, let's talk about your strong tr of Gamma.

Whats on your mind?

Why the tr?

[Grendel]

Grendel, do you think personality is important in obtaining reads?

It think its moderately important.

Sometimes there is context that makes somebody more/less likely to be scum due to their personality, play style, tics, etc

Like if Masian was getting hung for posting in nothing but walls you'd know that's an invalid (non-ai) reason to lynch her, and you'd stop the lynch.