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Post Post #1070 (isolation #0) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:48 am

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I wanted to see whats going on here so I checked 650 that you refereed as your idea
In post 650, Accountant wrote:because perfection is finite and well defined(my moral system).
This is where I stopped reading this accountant

If you have a finite view to perfection and your moral system is limited, your ideas are practically screwed.

and Having a majority of well educated people will decrease the crime BUT as perfection is unlimited a new degree of crime will appear (to not be as perfect as someone else). Their all relative terms.

This world is not made based on equality. Its based on inequality and that's justified. Moving toward perfection Must be the goal or we will just stay at the point we are or will go backward toward destruction and extinction but that's so naive to think perfection is finite.

When you think about this and for one second try to put yourself as someone your calling criminal - They are not doing what they think is wrong. No one is. If they are, they are not sane. So why what you think is right and what they think is wrong? The answer is really simple actually

None of you are wrong or right. You are considered right because the majority of human race think that action is wrong and will damage other humans or the one who is acting like that in a way. So in another human society they might be actually the right ones and then you are the wrong one based on what they define. This is just how things work.

so Based on what we define as perfection we must move toward it but the fact we can't reach it makes that perfection! Its why this is an "ideology". If your dream is reachable your not dreaming good enough.
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Post Post #1071 (isolation #1) » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:56 am

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I'm Not saying a perfect world can't happen ^

I'm saying perfection is infinite

Please don't interpret my point wrong
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Post Post #1075 (isolation #2) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:54 pm

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In post 1073, Accountant wrote:
In post 1070, Frozen Angel wrote:Moving toward perfection Must be the goal or we will just stay at the point we are or will go backward toward destruction and extinction but that's so naive to think perfection is finite.
movign towards perfection MUST be the go, and when we reach perfection it is fine to celebrate.

because perfection CAN be reached. I can show you exactly what perfection looks like and how we can get there. It will only take a few centuries.
No you can't show me cause whatever you show me I will represent a better one ;) ! ^.^
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Post Post #1076 (isolation #3) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:55 pm

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I'm really confident in that, go ahead if you wanna try
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Post Post #1078 (isolation #4) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:25 pm

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In post 1077, Accountant wrote:Okay. Perfection is as follows:

The world will be taken over by a utopic state. Every human being will be morally righteous and extremely upright, and everyone will do their part in making society constantly improve, for example by inventing new technologies or exploring space to find suitable planets to colonize. All crime, poverty, war, scarcity, evil, hatred and negative emotion will be completely eradicated. The world will function in total order, and every generation will be smarter than the last. Everyone will be happy and want for nothing. Everything will operate in total harmony and peace, with everything and everyone functioning according to their place. There will be no confusion or doubt in a society of immortals. Everyone will have their brains and bodies modified to be absolutely perfect.
define morally righteous
define extremely upright
define improvements of society - are you just talking about scientific achievements?
What are the crimes you wanna eradicate? Can you list them all or define your source thats defining whats a crime and whats not?
Your saying Hatred and Negative emotions will be eradicated. Are you suggesting we humans will be mutated to some new beings? Cause not feeling bad about anything is considered a sickness and a personality disorder [source : http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/cond ... y-disorder]
so if a generation be more stupid than the last - your world is not perfect yes? I define this as a better perfection :
We all are at the most possible state of smartness and there is nothing more to be done to be smarter - but for that you need to first define being smart.
why eradicating sadness will make a world perfect. Even in your perfect world people MUST be sad for the past version of humanity unless your saying the people in your world will go back in time and change the world but this is practically a logical loop. What they erase will be erased cause they next generation has a more subtle version of perfectness.
Why being in peace and harmony is perfection? Isn't your version of perfection in war with whats proposed in current world? Being in peace and harmony can be adapted to this idea : Everything is in its place (not strictly peaceful cause that makes a paradox). Now You need to define everythings place and prove the world is going toward that point - cause the current theories all are indicating we are moving from that point not reaching it. And yet you need to say why thats perfection and every human in your wolrd must have the same definition of perferction.
Why being in a society of immortals is good? Why immortality is perfection? If we have no reason to live (That is death) what are we living for? Why is death against your perfection. Death is what defines us and concludes us. Nothing is perfect without a conclusion - that is philosophy. You need to eiather prove that's wrong or put death in your version of world.
Maybe humans fail in finding a way to be immortal, Your perfect world has flaws you need to fix ^
What is a perfect mind and what is a perfect body. Define them please cause I can define a better version from whatever your defining.
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #5) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:25 pm

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Post Post #1082 (isolation #6) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:57 pm

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In post 1081, Accountant wrote:
In post 1080, Postie wrote:
In post 1077, Accountant wrote:Everyone will be happy and want for nothing.
Then why would they...
In post 1077, Accountant wrote:do their part in making society constantly improve, for example by inventing new technologies or exploring space to find suitable planets to colonize
?
Because it's their duty, and they're more than happy to do it.
No the point is if there is still room from improvement everything is not in its place.

This has a logical paradox
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Post Post #1085 (isolation #7) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:03 pm

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In post 1083, Accountant wrote:some stuff!
Define the correct path !
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Post Post #1086 (isolation #8) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:05 pm

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In post 1084, Accountant wrote:Wrong! If there's room for improvement, and they are seeking that improvement, then everything is indeed in its place! The "researchers" who are seeking improvement are in their "place" of "researching improvements".
no its not! The more perfect version is that : There are no rooms for improvement cause everything is in it's place already.

If there is room for improvement something is not in its place. The researchers are in place but the researches are not yet done so the results of the research is not in place
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Post Post #1087 (isolation #9) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:07 pm

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and you can't define the correct path with your Utopia; That's illogical and practically refused.

I will make my points about the rest of that post after you defined this
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Post Post #1092 (isolation #10) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:31 pm

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In post 1088, Accountant wrote:
In post 1085, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 1083, Accountant wrote:some stuff!
Define the correct path !
To follow the correct path is to do morally correct things always.

What are morally correct things? Well, there are a
lot of things
you can do that are morally correct, so it's impossible for me to list every single morally good action here. However, they all follow a certain set of principles.

Morally correct things are orderly. They help society. They are harmonious. They stem from intelligent attempts to fulfil the function of the actor. They make the world a brighter place. They represent strong and extreme concepts that are pleasant to comprehend.

To do things that follow these standards - this is the correct path.
I can argue lieing will help society. Is that a morally correct thing?

If its impossible for you to even list them why do you think they are finite and reachable?

For someone suicide is pleasant to comprehend. Is that a morally correct thing?
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Post Post #1093 (isolation #11) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:33 pm

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In post 1090, Accountant wrote:
In post 1087, Frozen Angel wrote:and you can't define the correct path with your Utopia; That's illogical and practically refused.
>2017
>attempting to apply logic to systems above logic
There is no system above logic

Logic : reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity. / a particular system or codification of the principles of proof and inference. / the systematic use of symbolic and mathematical techniques to determine the forms of valid deductive argument. / the quality of being justifiable by reason. / the course of action suggested by or following as a necessary consequence of.

You are explaining your ideology as "having everything in the best way possible" but you never explained your "best way possible" so Your argument is practically refused. Its even less valid from an arguing children who asking their mothers for chocolates tbh. They define what they want. What do you want?
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Post Post #1096 (isolation #12) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:38 pm

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Logic is not that kindda system to be compared with an ideology

Logic is "the ability to think and make sense."

If we can't agree on this principle that what makes sense and whats not are speratble without using logic (the ability to think and make sense) the whole argument is redicolous atm

and I saw what you want - I will come back to that later when this concern is validated - or not if you don't agree with this principle in argument.
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Post Post #1097 (isolation #13) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:40 pm

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and again no system is above logic. That's practically a proven fact.

Your claim is like claiming "you never were borned" or "you are not the person who wrote those sentences" in practice
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #14) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:07 pm

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In post 1114, Accountant wrote:If censorship is the next step in humanity's progress towards utopia, then wouldn't supporting it make me a progressive?
the problem is you don't have a utophia

your just chasing a dream.

whenever you started to explain what is that dream in real world you can start judging what will help the world to reach there and what will not
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Post Post #1139 (isolation #15) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:10 pm

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Your utopia is a dream. to make a dream a reallity you must explain that as an idea - and ideology.

till you do so, Its just something you can watch when you sleep and nothing more
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Post Post #1142 (isolation #16) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:43 pm

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In post 1141, Accountant wrote:
In post 1139, Frozen Angel wrote:Your utopia is a dream. to make a dream a reallity you must explain that as an idea - and ideology.

till you do so, Its just something you can watch when you sleep and nothing more
The dream, by virtue of reaching the dreamer, will impose itself on reality using its absolute right as the correct path.
You need to DEFINE the correct path. You can't say the way toward that dream.

Your ideology is not yet DEFINED so you can't say you have the absolute right to follow it.
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Post Post #1144 (isolation #17) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:48 pm

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You defined your utiopia as that everyone are following the correct path

and you are saying the correct path is toward Utiopia

See where your whole beleife system will colapse?

You are assuming perfection is finite and you will reach it - you are saying the perfection is "Trying to progress toward perfection" . Which is a clear paradox.

You just want everything "BETTER" but why there is no better than the best version of what you can dream?
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Post Post #1145 (isolation #18) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:51 pm

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There are so many flaws about your description in 2 pages ago but first you need to start accepting logic as a determiner factor for analyzing your perfect world
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Post Post #1151 (isolation #19) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:40 pm

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In post 1149, Accountant wrote:
In post 1145, Frozen Angel wrote:There are so many flaws about your description in 2 pages ago but first you need to start accepting logic as a determiner factor for analyzing your perfect world
No, logic is useless here.
I find your dream useless tbh :]

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Post Post #1152 (isolation #20) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:40 pm

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In post 1148, Accountant wrote:
In post 1144, Frozen Angel wrote:You defined your utiopia as that everyone are following the correct path

and you are saying the correct path is toward Utiopia

See where your whole beleife system will colapse?

You are assuming perfection is finite and you will reach it - you are saying the perfection is "Trying to progress toward perfection" . Which is a clear paradox.

You just want everything "BETTER" but why there is no better than the best version of what you can dream?
because the utopia is forever

a humanity that constantly improves itself, over and over again, until the end of time - that is the goal I reach
You keep repeating the paradox
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Post Post #1157 (isolation #21) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:51 pm

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I have an ideology myself and I'm sure we can try to make the world a better place

It is well defined, justified logically and morally (based on what majority of humans call moral) and perfectly fit. Yours is just a dream not an idea so its useless at this point. You can dream as much as you like, it will have 0 impact in the reality

pedit : the progress itself is the best world and there is no finite state of perfection

thats is my idoalogy.

The true perfection is infinite.

If you beleive that and you think its not logical (or logic has no place in it) Your absoloutly wrong in your principles.
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Post Post #1160 (isolation #22) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:55 pm

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If you really want to make your idea something impelimentable you need to accept the princples of impelimention and world modeling

you need to define morality
you need to explain the reason we live and we die
you need to have a perfect view about yourself and the world.

That way you can define a logical "infinite" perfection and claim progress itself is utophia

pedit : I do care about dreams. They are useless though

an ideal is perfect cause its not reachable. Defining a way of progress is ideal itself
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Post Post #1161 (isolation #23) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:57 pm

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We can continue this discussion whenever you accept logic as a determiner for your ideology.

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Post Post #1175 (isolation #24) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:33 pm

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In post 1163, Accountant wrote:
In post 1157, Frozen Angel wrote:the progress itself is the best world and there is no finite state of perfection

thats is my idoalogy.
There are two types of perfection.

The first is the "inevitable perfection". It is akin to something that will inevitably happen. For instance, suppose you asked me the answer to a difficult math question and I told you the answer was the square root of 1350 * 8509. Do you know the exact value of that number? No, of course you don't. But in this case, you would consider the math problem "solved" because you already know the path to the solution. All you have to do is to do boring things like work out the exact value. To draw an analogy, when you have the entire society working in harmony and continuously improving, then you know that "true perfection" has already been achieved. The route has been established, the path is clear before us and all we have to do is do the boring things like walk down it.

The second is the "true perfection" itself, where even improvement is impossible. I have outlined the exact specifics of this universe already.
what are you saying here is that you had a dream that something good will happen that is moving toward the true perfection and that good thing is your utophia.

You are defining your Utophia as a progress to the true perfection and you define that progress your Utophia. Till this loop is here whatever your saying is nothing more than a dream and no sane man or woman will accept it as an ideology.
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Post Post #1176 (isolation #25) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:34 pm

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In post 1166, Accountant wrote:
In post 1160, Frozen Angel wrote:an ideal is perfect cause its not reachable.
Not reachable? How unambitious you are! Are you really going to let the fact that it's conventionally thought to be impossible stop you? You must find the way to make the ideal possible! There is the saying: "A man chooses, a slave obeys". Are you going to be someone who chooses what they will impose on reality, or are you going to obey the laws of reality and think that just because something is not reachable means that you won't try to reach it?
I consider myself perfectly ambitious.

My ideology is progress toward the true perfection, like the way your dream is.

You fail to define your dream as an idea though so you can't say you have that ideology.
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #26) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:37 pm

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In post 1167, Accountant wrote:
In post 1161, Frozen Angel wrote:We can continue this discussion whenever you accept logic as a determiner for your ideology.

Till then bye
"We can talk about snow only when you accept that sand and summer are the only things that matter"
That's paralogism

Logic is the determiner and the first principle of reality.

without it your just dreamwalking and we have no argument to do.

without it your not proposing an idea so we can consider or deny it.
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Post Post #1181 (isolation #27) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:39 pm

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In post 1177, Accountant wrote:
In post 1175, Frozen Angel wrote:what are you saying here is that you had a dream that something good will happen that is moving toward the true perfection and that good thing is your utophia.

You are defining your Utophia as a progress to the true perfection and you define that progress your Utophia. Till this loop is here whatever your saying is nothing more than a dream and no sane man or woman will accept it as an ideology.
There are two utopias. One utopia is the "state of progress towards perfection". The second utopia is "perfection itself". I assert that because one leads to the other, they're essentially the same thing.

Only a short-sighted person would rejct something just because it's dream.
I'm not short sighted

I beleive you want to propose my ideology But you aren't. You can't talk about an idea without defining its principles and logic

There aren't two utopias thats redicolous. Utophia is the "perfect world" . the state of perfection is obviously unlimited, the progress toward it needs definition. If you define it then your proposing an ideology
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Post Post #1183 (isolation #28) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:41 pm

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In post 1180, Accountant wrote:
In post 1178, Frozen Angel wrote:Logic is the determiner and the first principle of reality.
why

why

why

do you always

always

only

focus

on

one

thing
But its focusing on everything

I mean look at my mafia games. I play with feelings - what I see inside people and craps like that. Its not your talking to stone. But as I said I'm not here to convince you of anything. I'm just saying you can't convince anyone of anything with a not defined dream and its practically useless

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Post Post #1186 (isolation #29) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:46 pm

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In post 1179, Accountant wrote:I've already shown you the definition of my dream and why it is my idea. The fact is, you don't think that perfection is possible. You think that humanity is too weak to achieve it. Thus, you have no ambition.
Yes perfection is not possible and I can prove that

what you are trying to say is that the progress toward perfection is possible and what should be done. Thats exactly where my ideology is. The progress toward perfection.

Now the differense between me and you is that you say Its a perfect world! Everyone should take the correct path

I ask what is the correct path and how can we evaluate the answer of that. But yop don't do that. You say the correct path is waht wil end in the perfection but with out defining the perfection (without using the word correct path) you will have an ideology

and if your sick of reality then your not trying to make it better tbh. Your just dreaming a better reality so just find a way and change the reality your living in. That makes more sense tbh
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Post Post #1187 (isolation #30) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:48 pm

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In post 1185, Accountant wrote:
In post 1183, Frozen Angel wrote:I mean look at my mafia games. I play with feelings - what I see inside people and craps like that. Its not your talking to stone. But as I said I'm not here to convince you of anything. I'm just saying you can't convince anyone of anything with a not defined dream and its practically useless
THE DREAM IS DEFINED
Entropy has been solved, allowing us to exist forever - truly forever, not just until the heat death of the universe. Every single square inch of the universe has been colonized and is a part of the utopia. Every single sentient being in the universe is omnipotent - truly omnipotent, existing above even logic and reality. Every single such omnipotent being performs their function perfectly. The events that allowed them to become omnipotent are rewritten by going back in time so they are omnipotent from the start of the universe and even before, and will be omnipotent forever. This society of omnipotent beings repeatedly imposes the same concepts on the universe, forever. Happiness and light fill the world at the beauty of their own imposed concepts. And everyone lives happily ever after. Repeat ad infinitum, The End.
look

look


it's defined!!!!!!!

why do you keep claiming its not????????????
No its not! You fail to explain what is Your TRUE perfection that what you dreamed is GOING toward. You fail to evalute the factors in your dream with logic caus eyou don't accept that

There is no point in continuing this argument at the moment
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Post Post #1190 (isolation #31) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:52 pm

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In post 1184, Accountant wrote:
In post 1181, Frozen Angel wrote:I'm not short sighted

I beleive you want to propose my ideology But you aren't. You can't talk about an idea without defining its principles and logic

There aren't two utopias thats redicolous. Utophia is the "perfect world" . the state of perfection is obviously unlimited, the progress toward it needs definition. If you define it then your proposing an ideology
No, that is blatantly incorrect. I have defined my principles in great, exquisite detail. As for logic, who gives a fuck? It's nothing more than an obstacle towards utopia, and if it ever becomes an obstacle then it turns into nothing but worthless garbage which MUST be tossed aside for the sake of the correct path.

You claim that the state of perfection is obviously unlimited but that is just incorrect, perfection is OBVIOUSLY finite, it is a single, static view of reality that you never change. you do NOT get to claim that it's unlimited just because you don't have the eyes to see the self-evident perfection. I've already defined all the progress towards definition, you're just rpetending not to understand me so you can continue to shill for logic & reality
I give a fuck

and I beleive I'm a human :]

what you an't prove is the best is not the best. Its simple fact

I can prove perfection is unlimited if you accept logic is a principle in this argument. If we are talking "illogical" perfection can be limited thats easy :]

and perfection has one simple unified definition. You can't define two perfections! The second one is perfection the first is progressing toward perfection (which is a dream atm for you not an ideology)
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Post Post #1192 (isolation #32) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:55 pm

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I don't want anything atm :]

You don't accept "logic" as a principle.

Logic is important cause it define reality. if you want to change reality or explain an ideology (an idea to make it better) you need reality!

We can't talk without you accepting logic as a principle :D

till then shout as much as you like :]

pedit : Your dream is defined as a dream. Your utophia is a dream not an ideology and is not discusable, acceptable or implementable. I don't need you to quote anything to me.
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Post Post #1195 (isolation #33) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:57 pm

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and sorry if I made you angry over anything

Thats not my inetntion

I have no intention to continue this argument - when we don't have similar principles in our arguments
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #34) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:00 pm

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In post 1193, Accountant wrote:
In post 1190, Frozen Angel wrote:I give a fuck

and I beleive I'm a human

what you an't prove is the best is not the best. Its simple fact

I can prove perfection is unlimited if you accept logic is a principle in this argument. If we are talking "illogical" perfection can be limited thats easy

and perfection has one simple unified definition. You can't define two perfections! The second one is perfection the first is progressing toward perfection (which is a dream atm for you not an ideology)
I don't care if you give a fuck. You haven't explained why it's important, at all. You've just said over and over that it's important without ever explaining why. I will
never
accept logic as a principle in utopia. You want to know why? Because logic limits people. It's a disgusting limiter that's applied to paradise to make it a worse place by artificially constraining what can and can't be done. The absoluteness of true perfection can only be achieved if logic is disregarded and broken like the worthless trash it is before the absolute truth of the correct path. And for that reason, I will never accept your principles and idea. You're nothing more than a logic-sympathiser if you keep on using it.
For a person who beleives is trying to show others a perfect world you don't care enough then :]

Logic is important cause you want to impeliment an idea in real world. Logic are a bunch of principles that will universally apply to whatever are going to happen in real world.

You saying "fuck logic! I like my world" is like saying "Fuck reality! I like to live in my dream"

and thats cool! You can live in your dream as much as you like :]
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Post Post #1199 (isolation #35) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:01 pm

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In post 1197, Accountant wrote:Thank you for making a good faith effort to talk to me. It's a lot more than many of the people in this thread have done. You're a good person, even if a bit misguided, and I believe in the future you will make for an excellent citizen of utopia.
to define misguided you need to have a definition of correctness (and that needs logic if your saying I' misguided from reality)

But yeah :D

your welcome!
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #36) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:03 pm

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sure!
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Post Post #1203 (isolation #37) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:06 pm

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I still like to hydra with you once though!

[with the condition I mentioned]
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Post Post #1212 (isolation #38) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:21 am

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yes I wanted to say the same thing but I felt its not really relevant and will make a new not related argument :]
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Post Post #1215 (isolation #39) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:49 am

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Its a dream. In dreams anything will happen regardless of logic
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Post Post #1217 (isolation #40) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:08 am

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:D

This is not a mafia game lol
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Post Post #1228 (isolation #41) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:47 pm

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I'm not sure if a dream can be a cult tbh

That will be extreme if You can make that work!
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Post Post #1247 (isolation #42) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:42 pm

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In post 1246, implosion wrote:Another take that I'm not sure has been explored yet, forgive me if it has.

How do you know that the ideas that are in your head were generated of your own thought processes, rather than, say, implanted by a malevolent person or power who knows that by tricking you into believing that the path you espouse is the path of truth, they will be able to further their own (probably nefarious) goals? What if the thought process that led you to believe in your utopia is actually incorrect, and the only reason that it seems obviously correct to you is because someone implanted the idea in you and compromised your ability to judge it incorrect?
Are you talking about Inception?
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Post Post #1266 (isolation #43) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:21 pm

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In post 1262, Accountant wrote:
In post 1260, Annadog40 wrote:Light only had a death note to bring about the Utopia, His only tool was death. He saved the lives of the kids in the school shooting and nearly elimated crime.
I don't even have a death note, but I'm doing better than Light, so that's not an excuse. And he did not nearly eliminate crime. Murder rates shot up by hundreds of thousands of percentage points because he was murdering everyone.
sorry I can't see the results of your actions or any progress

can you provide statistics?
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Post Post #5121 (isolation #44) » Tue May 16, 2017 4:37 am

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having ideology is a very great thing. an ideology gives hope, gives motivation and make us feel we have a goal in life. without having it doing anything is pointless. an ideology is not a dream, nor is a logical concepted fact in reality. its the best future you can
imagine
that might happen. BUT the thing is as I said its not a dream so I think that where the conversation fails here, and NOR its a logical conceptual fact that is happening in reality.

I'm trying to make a point here. I hope you all can step back and see why your arguments here is pointelss about crushing the other side. No one will ever find happiness if they only rely on reality and how stuff are or even are going to imo. thats why having a reachable goal, an idelogy, a world we want to build is Great. but that will fail to be considered as an idelogy cause dreams are not ideas. ideas need a logical basis (logic is what we humans will think with and how this argument is shaping in first place so I know acountant said "fuck logic" before but Its obvious he is trying to convince others to see his dream.

thats why you should not insult each other for being on the other side of this river. I just hope we all can (and all is all the humanity) to just jump in the river and put aside the different point of views to the same thing.
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Post Post #5122 (isolation #45) » Tue May 16, 2017 4:37 am

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If I'm not making any sense just ignore me :]
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Post Post #5123 (isolation #46) » Tue May 16, 2017 4:39 am

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btw my post is obviously saying accountant has to use his dreams to make ideas, an ideology

and the rest should try to accept dreams as dreams and talk about their dreams too when we can put all of them together and make better future worlds in our minds as individual human beings. its not about accountant or gamma or chevre or me or anyone else.

Its a world we are talking about.
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Post Post #5176 (isolation #47) » Tue May 16, 2017 8:37 am

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In post 5124, Fluminator wrote:I agree that dreams are good. I think the part that concerns people is accountant rejecting reality. Accountant doesn't even try to argue anymore and just say it over and over like a kid whining at their parents "I don't want to wake up! I don't want to wake up! The world is scary"
If they're a teenager it's very disconcerting.
dreams should turn into ideas thats what I'm saying. I think most of the people in this thread are wrong about how they should talk about dreams/ideas/utopia definitions and I beleive the owner of this thread is worng for dismissing reallity while proceeding with their dream.

its just a cycle that is going nowhere imo.

"hey guys that wall is orange!"
"but its blue in reallity wtf are you talking about!"
"I can make people buy colors and spend time drawing it!"
"why should they do that? are they stupid?"
"when its orange its a beutiful wall!"
"but its not orange!"
"then It will be - later!"
"but its not orange!"
"then it will be - later!"
"but its not orange!"
"then it will be - later!"
"but its not orange!"
"then it will be - later!"

and the cycle continues

I'm just saying instead of that you all should take a step back and talk about WHY? and HOW? instead and that requires both the dreams and a logical concept and that will result in an ideology.
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Post Post #5177 (isolation #48) » Tue May 16, 2017 8:37 am

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I think I finally made my point in an understandable manner :|
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Post Post #5181 (isolation #49) » Tue May 16, 2017 9:02 am

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In post 5179, Shaziro wrote:FA, the problem with that is that whenever you point out that Accountant is definitely and provably wrong, Accountant just claims reality doesn't matter. Like the arguing with Accountant here isn't for the sake of helping accountant understand anymore, it's to keep Accountant contained and away from actually decent parts of the site.
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In post 5176, Frozen Angel wrote:I'm just saying instead of that you all should take a step back and talk about WHY? and HOW? instead and that requires both the dreams and a logical concept and that will result in an ideology.
Been there. Done that.

"I don't have to do anything. Society is trending towards a future where it is orange. I don't have to do anything (except repeat that it's orange and how morally correct orange is and then go talk about orange walls to the neighbors."
human sosciety (at least the decent part of it) was making ideologies for past 200 years more than past.

its just they will normally all came out impractical but as they are good mind sets they make cultures and push societies toward further improvements.
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Post Post #5183 (isolation #50) » Tue May 16, 2017 9:16 am

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the thing is I can see that. I'm asking him to answer how and why instead of repeating the dream and to use a logical base to make that dream an idea as much as I'm asking everyone else to not attack an idea or a dream if they are represented correctly as what they are.

am I making sense?
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Post Post #5185 (isolation #51) » Tue May 16, 2017 9:20 am

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then let them dream that.

onceit stays as a dream it should be treated as one
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Post Post #5305 (isolation #52) » Wed May 17, 2017 2:16 am

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accountant may I ask you to ignore everyone else for a moment and instead of illustrating your utopia, present it?

I mean explain a very decent plan (not that people will accept it by themselves cause thats pretty emotional and really naive as you're not other people to decide what they will accept for them) about how people must move toward your utopia

and obviously this means assume we all want your utopia to happen - a happy place for everyone, development and where we humanity will be the gods of universe and universes - jut explain what i the path?

- equality?
- freedom?
- order?

How you imagine your world is governed? how can current civilizations move toward that basis without loosing their resources/benefits,

Thats when anyone is allowed to make a comment about your idea not before then and tahts when you can be happy that you talked something and you added something for a constructive argument to even happen here.
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Post Post #5307 (isolation #53) » Wed May 17, 2017 2:18 am

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You can't disagree with that

thats not even something related to what I asked from you.

please reread :|
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Post Post #5308 (isolation #54) » Wed May 17, 2017 2:19 am

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I mean I don't care if you disagree with that sentence I asked something else from you.
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Post Post #5309 (isolation #55) » Wed May 17, 2017 2:20 am

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and certainly if you disagree with that sentene then why are you even talking here? you beleive people will go toward that utopia anyway.

its like your wasting your time here talking in first place assuming people will naturally go toward that.
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Post Post #5313 (isolation #56) » Wed May 17, 2017 2:32 am

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In post 5310, Accountant wrote:
In post 5308, Frozen Angel wrote:I mean I don't care if you disagree with that sentence I asked something else from you.
The answer requires you to first understand my disagreement or you'll reject it because it's based on telling others what to accept.
I want to hear the rest - assume I understand your disagreement

if you like explain your disagreement then answer that
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Post Post #5316 (isolation #57) » Wed May 17, 2017 2:36 am

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define smart

is that smart science wise (as understanding nature and our connections with world and each other) or are you using the term just to say they will accept a certain ideology?
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Post Post #5318 (isolation #58) » Wed May 17, 2017 2:43 am

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ok so that is your way

"Science"

Your ideology is "science" now you have to explain why that is more important than freedom, fighting with poverty, removing corrupted governments, order, fighting with human inequality problem an whatever other ieologies people are fighting for nowdays to reach their own dream which might be the same as what you are suggesting.

congratulations :]
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Post Post #5319 (isolation #59) » Wed May 17, 2017 2:44 am

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I mean congrtas as you finally explained it as an idea not a dream
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Post Post #5321 (isolation #60) » Wed May 17, 2017 3:32 am

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In post 5320, Ankamius wrote:philosophy fundamentally relies on everything related to reality being false
this is not accurate way for describing philosophy though.
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Post Post #5328 (isolation #61) » Wed May 17, 2017 4:31 am

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In post 5324, Accountant wrote:
In post 5318, Frozen Angel wrote:ok so that is your way

"Science"

Your ideology is "science" now you have to explain why that is more important than freedom, fighting with poverty, removing corrupted governments, order, fighting with human inequality problem an whatever other ieologies people are fighting for nowdays to reach their own dream which might be the same as what you are suggesting.

congratulations :]
My ideology is not science, my ideology is the correct path.

Also it accomplishes all those things so people fighting for those ideologies should follow my dream. Except freedom.
I think you don't understand the meaning of the words you use. ideaology is the way of achieving umanity goals. its an idea about how we should achieve that perfect utopia - most of us can imagine in the same way.

imagining good things doesn't matter at all tbh, its how we go forward toward it that matters. your ideology is "science" as you beleive utopia is achievable with science. now answer why if we put our most efforts on science poverty will go away, and how we will have better equal societies for all human beings as thats a part of the utopia you are describing.
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Post Post #5331 (isolation #62) » Wed May 17, 2017 4:41 am

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umm

yep I said the exact same thing

a system of ideas and ideals that will shows us the correct path, the idea itself can't be the correct path. it must be somthing that will determine that, you get what I mean?
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Post Post #5344 (isolation #63) » Wed May 17, 2017 5:42 am

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In post 5333, Accountant wrote:
In post 5331, Frozen Angel wrote:umm

yep I said the exact same thing

a system of ideas and ideals that will shows us the correct path, the idea itself can't be the correct path. it must be somthing that will determine that, you get what I mean?
What are you asking?
I'm saying I have a good dream too and I beleive there is a correct path

I want you to give me some clues what is that path. how our civilizations must act how people must act to make this stupid world a better place. thats all that matters the rest is just "the wall is orange" argument.
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Post Post #5345 (isolation #64) » Wed May 17, 2017 5:45 am

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just to clarify you is not accountant. its everyone. thats ideology talking - what should be general humanity conscious and what should we humans push toward.
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Post Post #5400 (isolation #65) » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:54 pm

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accountant that's a sick way to enforce anything!

any humans has rights to live and share their ideas ... you can't just call them sick and enslave them :/
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Post Post #5402 (isolation #66) » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:56 pm

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In post 5401, RadiantCowbells wrote:FA I'm going to enslave you and put you to work making shoes
But I don't know how to make shoes :? :( :cry:
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Post Post #5405 (isolation #67) » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:58 pm

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In post 5403, Accountant wrote:
In post 5400, Frozen Angel wrote:accountant that's a sick way to enforce anything!

any humans has rights to live and share their ideas ... you can't just call them sick and enslave them :/
Why not?
Because you're not special or different from them in any manner? Maybe you're sick too. who is allowed to judge that?
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Post Post #5410 (isolation #68) » Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:15 pm

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In post 5406, Accountant wrote:Oh, but I AM different. The difference is that I am working for the good of the correct path, which gives me the right to do whatever is necessary to enforce it.
ummm To YOU yes

But prove to me you're not the sick one who is hallucinating?

Hitler was different to himself too! He wanted to keep the best humans and killed the rest.

When you were representing this as an idea I was ok with it cause its enforcement was "Time"

Slavery is just really outdated, failed and rejected darling.
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Post Post #5415 (isolation #69) » Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:24 pm

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In post 5412, Accountant wrote:I agree slavery sucks but if the alternative is chaos then I choose the lesser of two evils
Freedom won't make chaos

Dictatorship hides it!
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Post Post #5416 (isolation #70) » Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:26 pm

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In post 5412, Accountant wrote:I don't need to prove it to you, there's only one person I have to prove it to and they already accept it.
world won't accept new Hitlers

/ps : ehh, maybe with exception of trump/
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Post Post #5430 (isolation #71) » Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:40 pm

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In post 5420, Accountant wrote:
In post 5415, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 5412, Accountant wrote:I agree slavery sucks but if the alternative is chaos then I choose the lesser of two evils
Freedom won't make chaos

Dictatorship hides it!
I dont believe you
I love you too!
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Post Post #5434 (isolation #72) » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:29 am

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In post 5432, RadiantCowbells wrote:I've waited twenty three long years to hear these words from you and they're directed at someone else.
I think I'll just... try to move on... I guess.
NOOO

No moving on is allowed!

You know that I love you too!
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Post Post #5473 (isolation #73) » Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:58 am

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In post 5472, ironstove wrote:Wow, less than 10 minutes and my thread was shut down.

Accountant, how do you feel about the ban you received? Think it was fair? Think you really endorse parts of slavery and threatened the life of another user on this forum? If yes, then you should feel lucky that someone didn't report you to the FBI.
NO
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Post Post #5475 (isolation #74) » Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:06 am

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:facepalm:

I'm just saying that's like the worst questions anyone could ask!
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Post Post #5495 (isolation #75) » Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:50 pm

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This thread is in general discussion not speakeasy :/
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Post Post #5499 (isolation #76) » Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:53 pm

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stop talking about sex in this topic people

This is not speakeasy and it is not warned beforehand

minors use this site
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Post Post #5504 (isolation #77) » Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:00 pm

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that means you lost connection to site chat server

probably cause you started running a VPN
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Post Post #5508 (isolation #78) » Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:05 pm

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In post 5505, TheFlogScrogger wrote:Frick, I was temporarily banned for 2 days.

This is a complete miscarriage of justice and I have done nothing wrong. Please set me free.
ask a site chat mod :/
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Post Post #5540 (isolation #79) » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:03 pm

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define bad person
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Post Post #5542 (isolation #80) » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:06 pm

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what about reeducation then?

I'm sure a person who you killed can't be reeducated?
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Post Post #5547 (isolation #81) » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:36 pm

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what about killing everyone and making your own robo-clones?
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Post Post #5549 (isolation #82) » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:38 pm

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You're an enemy of humanity at this point forward
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Post Post #5552 (isolation #83) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:14 am

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In post 5550, Accountant wrote:
In post 5549, Frozen Angel wrote:You're an enemy of humanity at this point forward
I'm an enemy of that which is not correct. If, indeed, the old saying is right and that to err is human... then I am an enemy of humanity. I will certainly replace all humans with robots that cannot make mistakes, allowing fragile flesh shells to become bastions of machine perfection.
You said you will kill whoever is not in the correct path

That means your path is indeed toward hell and is not correct.
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Post Post #5553 (isolation #84) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:16 am

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I mean before this point

it was a cool dream you were imagining

What you're saying at this point is what a terrorist would say - Not at all better than what ISIS would do
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Post Post #5554 (isolation #85) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:19 am

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like your first argument was like

everything bad should be destroyed! we will make the perfect world together

now you're like

everything should be destroyed! I will make the perfect world on your corpses

you practically just claimed that you're a monster more evil than what you're indicated to destroy.
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Post Post #5556 (isolation #86) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:22 am

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no offense meant btw

I still think you're a cool person

I just can't sit here watching you saying "killing everyone" who don't think the same way you do is "ok"
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Post Post #5559 (isolation #87) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:27 am

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In post 5557, Shiro wrote:Technically he says killing everyone that isn't willing to be reeducated into the way I think is acceptable assuming forced re-education failed somehow.
Killing someone for their belief is exactly what ISIS is doing and we call that a terror
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Post Post #5562 (isolation #88) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:32 am

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In post 5561, Shiro wrote:
In post 5559, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 5557, Shiro wrote:Technically he says killing everyone that isn't willing to be reeducated into the way I think is acceptable assuming forced re-education failed somehow.
Killing someone for their belief is exactly what ISIS is doing and we call that a terror
Yea but ISIS doesn't ask nicely.

I am being sarcastic btw if you didn't realise.
They actually are asking nicely
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Post Post #5570 (isolation #89) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:12 am

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In post 5563, Vedith wrote:
In post 5559, Frozen Angel wrote:Killing someone for their belief is exactly what ISIS is doing and we call that a terror
ISIS attack random people where they have no knowledge on the actual victims believes or thoughts to get to their primary target.
Accountant is killing the actual people not following the correct path.

This is not exactly the same.
nope

They have one correct path and they're advertising it

whoever don't accept it must die and for everyone they kill they will get closer to the correct path

those random people are dieing so others can know there is a correct path and they will all go to heaven

That is ISIS

there is a very few difference between this shit and what accountant is saying.
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Post Post #5571 (isolation #90) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:14 am

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In post 5564, Accountant wrote:
In post 5552, Frozen Angel wrote:You said you will kill whoever is not in the correct path

That means your path is indeed toward hell and is not correct.
why? shouldn't someone going to heaven kill all the demons? there cant be demons in heaven
You don't know what is the difference between been a leader and a murderer when you say I will kill whoever is not in my way

so whatever you believe in has blood on its hand
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Post Post #5572 (isolation #91) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:18 am

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In post 5565, Accountant wrote:I'm still claiming the first

it's just that you guys are all bad people

LOL
I'm a bad people?

I'm really not. I believe a perfect world exists and we should move toward it.

I won't let monsters do that job for us though.
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Post Post #5573 (isolation #92) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:20 am

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In post 5566, Accountant wrote:Killing monsters makes you a good person ty
Your a monster for calling even one other human a monster for not following your ideology.
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Post Post #5575 (isolation #93) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:27 am

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In post 5574, Vedith wrote:
In post 5572, Frozen Angel wrote:I'm really not. I believe a perfect world exists and we should move toward it.
And what would you do to those who prevent you moving towards the perfect world?
Let them continue and ignore the fact that there is a perfect world?
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Post Post #5576 (isolation #94) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:30 am

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- not that I will kill people myself with bare hands -

in my imaginary government execution is just murders response

I won't kill whoever disagree with me

You all are very stupid and disgusting people if you want to kill anyone for being in opposite side than you idea wise
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Post Post #5577 (isolation #95) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:32 am

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and execution (death penalty) is different from cold blood murder that you all are a fan of
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Post Post #5578 (isolation #96) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:34 am

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And I'm done with this thread.
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Post Post #5581 (isolation #97) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:48 am

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ok I will answer you briefly but this will be my last post.

when a human is killing other humans, they are "the enemy". even one person death - WHATEVER they think - HOWEVER they are living is like killing all the humanity. how so? when you kill a woman you're not just killing her. your killing her baby. and her babies baby. and her babies babies baby and so on.

You are killing what could be th worlds salvation. you're killing the world future greatest mind. You might be killing the person who will make you're "ideology" happen.

at the same time when you're saving one human's life, you're saving The humanity. If you think taking a life for what someone believes in is in any manner correct, you have to show yourself to a qualified psychologist cause That is a sickness.

Murderers should be executed though to avoid further murders. This not even negotiable. This is not even thinkable. If someone is damaging the humanity is the enemy of humanity and must die unless ofc is sorry for what they did and can be kept under control for the rest of their life.

I didn't twist anything. Suggesting murder for idea is disgusting. Its worse than disgusting - its not tolerable. IT SHOULDN'T EVER happen.
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Post Post #5582 (isolation #98) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:48 am

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Post Post #5583 (isolation #99) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:52 am

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and to clarify

I never suggested killing anyone for having different idea of perfect world from me

reread my post and try to understand what I said there
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Post Post #5585 (isolation #100) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:26 am

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I asked you to pm me I don't want to be involved in this bloody thread anymore so respect that

- that's why I aid it's like you're killing all the humanity. The amount of people you kill with just killing one person can be 200 times more than what is current population of earth

- somone who is bragging about killing other people for idea is differnet from someone who accidentally kills someone in street when driving his car. thats why we train judges to investigate and find the truth behind the events and detect the guilty from innocent. I'm not saying if that's doing it job correctly or not but That is afterall an execution based on guilt not an execution based on idea.

don't distract the topic by mentioning drug dealers etc. I'm in no place to determine what guilt deserves execution as it's violating human rights and what is not because I never studied about guilts. The discussion in here was about murder for idea (what I call cold blood murder) and murder for guilt (after the action happen). The first is wrong. the second is justified. I never draw a border here - I'm just saying unless if it's the second any murders will make you an enemy of humanity. now if you don't accept it you're by definition a terrorist.

I said they are very similar in sense of killing who is not in their correct path. killing for idea is terror and it doesn't matter who says it really : Acountant or ISIS. I didn't twist anything - if I did anywhere call me on it please.

as i said I won't kill my opposite ideas I will convince them or will fight with them. winning with an idea is not winning a gun fight. no idea that wins the game with gun will stay permnantly. to make a perfect world people should move toward perfection and shooting is not the way to do so. But if someone is shooting me I will defend myself and I will defend other humans.

Thats the fucking point - no idea is forced BUT ideas can kill each other even without a gun and they will evolve toward perfection if you don't force them.
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Post Post #5587 (isolation #101) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:32 am

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In post 5586, Vedith wrote:I'll get back on this after work.
And I will reply here. If you don't want me to reply here, don't respond and therefore I will not respond further.
I do not wish to take it into PM so respect that.
I can't stop replying when you're replying to me

reply to me via pm and I will reply to you via pm

and I'm asking you to do that

how is that a very complicated request?
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Post Post #5588 (isolation #102) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:33 am

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I asked nicely though

this is a bloody thread and is making me sick
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Post Post #5598 (isolation #103) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:47 am

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In post 5590, Accountant wrote:There's a difference - the content of the correct path itself. For instance, ISIS believes in Allah. The correct path does not advocate for Allah. It is okay to kill people right and left in service of the correct path, but it is not okay to kill people for the service of Allah, because Allah doesn't exist.
Allah or what people call god exist. Probably not as an individual powerful being like others imagine him too but as a concept meaning "Everything" and "Everyone" and the creator of everything and everyone. God in my opinion is "All" and whoever says god doesn't exist is claiming they don't exist themselves.

but I'm not sure how is that even related? The idea doesn't matter. When you pass the red line and say killing people is ok, you become a murderer - a sociopath - and I'm begging you - please show yourself to a psychologist.
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Post Post #5599 (isolation #104) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:49 am

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In post 5591, Accountant wrote:That's not true. If I kill everyone who doesn't have my idea with a gun, then my idea wins.
oh no

I will kill you after killing first human being.

and believe me

your idea is lost way before then.
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Post Post #5602 (isolation #105) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:51 am

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In post 5592, Accountant wrote:
In post 5581, Frozen Angel wrote:when a human is killing other humans, they are "the enemy". even one person death - WHATEVER they think - HOWEVER they are living is like killing all the humanity. how so? when you kill a woman you're not just killing her. your killing her baby. and her babies baby. and her babies babies baby and so on.
That's untrue. I can always kill the woman then ask the survivors to breed more to make up for it.
"make up for it"

are you saying that when you take a life and birth a new human being the balance of nature has been served? :lol: :lol:

:lol:

come the fuck on

are you saying we are same human beings?

You know NO two people are same right?

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Post Post #5603 (isolation #106) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:54 am

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In post 5600, Shaziro wrote:FA. This thread really isn't worth it. Like, Accountant talks big but literally can't do anything like they want to. Yeah, they're a bad person, but Accountant literally thinks that you die if you change your mind, and instead are replaced with some kind of different person. There's no convincing them of anything, but trust me, they aren't going to do anything with it. Plenty of people have recommended that Accountant speak to a professional, Accountant refuses. Psychologists/Psychiatrists can't do anything unless Accountant wants to change anyhow, so it's pointless. My recommendation is to just stop readin' the thread. Alright?
I should really stop

the thing is I have a sickness that makes ignoring people really hard. I will do my best to avoid her though
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Post Post #5642 (isolation #107) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:41 am

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In post 5607, Accountant wrote:
In post 5598, Frozen Angel wrote:When you pass the red line and say killing people is ok, you become a murderer - a sociopath - and I'm begging you - please show yourself to a psychologist.
So anyone who supports the death penalty is a sociopath?
I just made like 20 posts explaining what is the difference between a death penalty and cold blooded murder and you make this post?
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Post Post #5643 (isolation #108) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:45 am

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In post 5608, Accountant wrote:We aren't the same. A mortal has less value than a utopic follower. Hence, it's acceptable to kill mortals for the sake of utopic followers.
and I just made a post saying killing one human being is like killing all the humans even a lot of your followers.

If you seriously believe that You're the god and that you or what you create is allowed to judge life and death, you're not better than the dogs who ruined my country (my birth country) and you're not better than the dogs who are ruining the today world. They all talk nice - illustrate the dream of a perfect world and then will fuck it up like the dogs they are.
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Post Post #5644 (isolation #109) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:46 am

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In post 5613, ConManMick wrote:Direct copy and paste of what I was going to say:

heer weight of numbers. Eventually the number of people imprisoned will outnumber you. Either they escape, or, as you say, you start killing them. Congratulations, you're now a genocidal maniac whose own actions have demonstrated the invalidity of your ideals, and you yourself are fundamentally a flawed human being not fit for this correct path of yours.
You have no empathy, and no humanity. You contribute only death, destruction, disharmony. A society ruled by the threat of violence is not an ideal society.
This post very much
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Post Post #5645 (isolation #110) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:46 am

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In post 5618, Accountant wrote:
In post 5617, Shaziro wrote:Accountant, do me a solid. Stop replying to FA so she can stop replying to you.
I want to help FA become a better person.
If it means turning to you, I rather die
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Post Post #5647 (isolation #111) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:40 am

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shiro

kill a few people means nothing

It changes nothing

It just means your leader is a murderer

to make a notable change in how the world is governed by killing one must eliminate millions

and the rest will have to clean the blood for thousands years before recovering

Look at middle east

My birth country is there

look how they all want to make the perfect world according to what they believe. You think those people are from mars? no. They are people like you. some said "yes, killing a few people for the cause is correct"

look at them now?

Look at my country now?

Do you think people have another type of brain in there?

do you think they love killing? They kill to make a perfect world after this

do you think this is just?

You're dear ones are not dead for you to realize the weight of "killing a few people"
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Post Post #5648 (isolation #112) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:44 am

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do I had to explode like this?

maybe not

But I just can't sit down seeing some people talking like this

Not anymore

I have pains that none of you will realize. I have been through what none of you can even dream of. so if you think your perfect world means any shit that justify killing people, I say this with UTTER certainty

It's TRASH

and you're trash for thinking like that

- If this is me violating any rules so be it. - like I love you all. all of you are good dear people. But if you truly believe "killing some people" is just I can't tell you anything but trash.

I'm done ranting
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Post Post #5651 (isolation #113) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:28 am

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In post 5649, Shiro wrote:I am cool discussing no matter how you react.

Middle East had destroyed itself not cause of sacrifices to reach a greater goal but because of religious indoctrination.

And obviously I am not talking about rounding up people to kill them because they disagree with you.
"religious indoctrination"
"greater goal"

You're too naive to realize they all are fucking excuses and they all are fucking "idea" and no one should die for it

"oil"

is also for control

but w/e

whenever you lost your relatives for "greater good" - if you were not that blinded to be the murderer - then you get the right to open your mouth for those big words. Till then learn to grow up and make sure you're not a blinded fool to turn into the murderer.
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Post Post #5652 (isolation #114) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:30 am

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Like

you don't know anything about middle east so you won't realize the similarity of this crap to what a religious indoctrination actually means so I don't expect you to understand
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Post Post #5653 (isolation #115) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:32 am

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We kill people to make the earth heaven they say in ISIS

They kill people to be in heaven on earth and afterlife
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Post Post #5654 (isolation #116) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:37 am

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They also have a written version of the illustrated utopia

It's not fundamentally different from accountant version

it's actually more practical

and it's logical and very consistent
(by exception of some women rights)
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Post Post #5658 (isolation #117) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:22 pm

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In post 5656, Shiro wrote:
In post 5651, Frozen Angel wrote:whenever you lost your relatives for "greater good" - if you were not that blinded to be the murderer -
I have though admittidly not people I knew anything about since it was before I was born, during the minor asia desstruction.

FA, I do not mean gathering people to kill them for disagreeing with me, I am a huge advocate of conversation(since I truthfulyl believe discussion is the best way to expand ones knowledge) nor anything of the like.

I am however talking about enacting harsh punishment to people that disrupt the world. People should fear that if they step over the line they wont get a pat in the back and a "don't do it again please" memo.
there is a very obvious line between execution for guilt and cold blood murder.
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Post Post #5659 (isolation #118) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:24 pm

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what's so funny?
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Post Post #5662 (isolation #119) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:57 pm

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In post 5661, Accountant wrote:There's nothing in the latest posts I can respond to, plz ping me once someone says something I can respond to
you said lol

I like to know what about killing people or my comments regarding that is so funny?
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Post Post #5664 (isolation #120) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:20 pm

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In post 5663, Shiro wrote:
In post 5658, Frozen Angel wrote:there is a very obvious line between execution for guilt and cold blood murder.
Indeed but the thing is mistakes are going to be made, we aren't perfect and people that might not be guilty could be punished. That is an unfortunate sacrifice that should not deter such a system from existing.
after Iran independence revolution more than 1 million innocents were executed cause a sociopath said this "we don't have time to judge everyone, This will take forever. We will execute the suspicious people anyway, if they were guilty then whatever, if they were innocent they will go to heaven as a martyr"

One who dies defending their idea and beliefs is a hero for whoever else who has that idea or counts it rational.

One who dies enforcing an idea to a group is just a blatant murderer.
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Post Post #5665 (isolation #121) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:27 pm

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The same ideology is still getting victims in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.
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Post Post #5667 (isolation #122) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:48 pm

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In post 5666, Shiro wrote:You are implying I said that there shouldn't be a process to minimise such mistakes. Obviously there should but we are humans and it is impossible not to make mistakes ever.
I'm not sure what is your point

Everything started when it was implied to make you're utopia happen, whoever is not on the correct path can die

That is not executing for guilt - it's executing for idea and you will be a murderer - a terrorist to kill anyone for what they believe.

Now you're saying only bad people who does something really wrong that we can't let them live with humanity anymore must be executed. That is execution for guilt. It's what a government is obligated to do for the crimes that can't stop or compensated by keeping the criminal in prison (no crime is componsatble tbh but we humans design a system of punishment to make the criminals pay for they're crimes with their money, time and life).

now, in a revolution if anyone kills the opposite side for what they believe in, They're a murderer. But if after a revolution someone is executed for their actions - that might be just.

Now tell me which one were you suggesting?
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Post Post #5670 (isolation #123) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:02 pm

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In post 5668, Shiro wrote:I am talking about the latter FA.

Punishing people that are guilty harshly, both as punishment as a deterent from further crime.

My point was that in such a system though mistakes are bound to be made and innocent might die cause of them. That shouldn't deter from keeping said system if it benefit the greater popoulation. That was my point from the get go and the part I agreed with Accountant.

Though honestly reading back my first posts, I can see how it can be taken wrong.
read back and read the definition of "bad people who must be executed" from accountant and read all my posts since then the way I was drawing a borderline here.

Judging life and death is serious business. Learn to be Very careful about it.
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Post Post #5673 (isolation #124) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:33 pm

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I stand by everything I said

You're an enemy of humanity

After your first kill - if I see you I will kill you with my bare hands.
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Post Post #5675 (isolation #125) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:36 pm

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In post 5674, Accountant wrote:I will do what I know to be right.
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