Mini Normal 1911 | Penguin Mafia Redux | Endgame

[Ryker]

Fuck, I have to do a lot more analysis. I need to see if I buy 5 PRs. I don't think I do. I'll double check myself later

Crazy idea: Two PR's are lying out of the five.

You'd have to sell me on the two and one of them has to be Tammy, which is a dick move if you were running a gambit fake claim and bailed.

[Ryker]

That's one I want to wait on. Read and tell me what you think and I'll swap you. Already got my read and I doubt it changes in the interim, although I have to read to ensure I'm right. Not liking my choicea though.

[Ryker]

That's one I want to wait on. Read and tell me what you think and I'll swap you. Already got my read and I doubt it changes in the interim, although I have to read to ensure I'm right. Not liking my choicea though.

I don't read when I dub in. I'm odd like that.
What's your read on the day vig,

Town

[Ryker]

Frozen, Gamma, Ryker, Titus. Talk to me. This is the direction I want to take.

Im leaning on Transcend lynch and I crumbed that when asked above so I could have it out there.

I, however, don't think I can buy Lalight as scum in that world. I would LOVE to lynch that slot, but I dont think town is Dayvig (1 shot), Neighborizer, and Universal Back-up. So one if Lalight and Transcend is town, one of Transcend and Emerald is scum, and I dont think scum Lalight jumps down Gamma's throat like this.

It's unfortunate that I wont get to lynch Lalight.

See, I am looking at a scum team of Transcend, FrozenFlame, and one of Mulch and Titus.

The other option is like Gamma, Titus, and Frozen? Not a fan.

[Ryker]

Ran I dont have time to do a full Iso showcase of me but let me ask you: do you ACTUALLY THINK TAMMY picked MARSHY , the one person coincidentally that died? Its mindblowing how you can believe that

Uhm, the logic with that pick checks out when you look at how hard I was hounding him to prove his role. The Marshy explanation he posted checks out, what issue do you have with it. It's not mathematical odds we're looking at, it's why and if you believe the why.

[Ryker]

Ok, I think Gamma and Transcend are on opposite sides.

I also think Ramicus and Lalight are on separate sides.

Anyone disagree?

Read the game or take my word on it, Ranmaru isn't scum in any world.

[Ryker]

Alright bro. Can you tell me why you are leaning towards Transcend?

I said why Lalight is town, unfortunately, and one of her and Transcend is scum if I'm correct on the set-up.

[Ryker]

Alright bro. Can you tell me why you are leaning towards Transcend?

I said why Lalight is town, unfortunately, and one of her and Transcend is scum if I'm correct on the set-up.

Very low investigate power if that's the case. I disagree.

???

Then you think both have to be town in a world with a universal back-up (since that's your claimed role) and that isn't TOO much investigative power?

[Ryker]

ryker do you townread gamma emerald independently?

No.

[Ryker]

What even is salesmanny? Is that an implication that I'm not supposed to sell my positions, regardless of alignment???

[Ryker]

What even is salesmanny? Is that an implication that I'm not supposed to sell my positions, regardless of alignment???

No. It's more that you come off like a used car salesman.

And? Once more does that mean I'm not supposed to sell my position?

[Ryker]

I see. Seeing that a neighbor has already flipped, I'm not sure there is room for two .5 investigatives. If I had to choose between Lalight and Transcend for scum, I'd choose Lalight.

You think Lalight turns on Gamma IMMEDIATELY after the Transcend claim?

[Ryker]

What even is salesmanny? Is that an implication that I'm not supposed to sell my positions, regardless of alignment???

No. It's more that you come off like a used car salesman.

And? Once more does that mean I'm not supposed to sell my position?

Why me = fry me.

So help me god.

[Ryker]

No. It's more that you come off like a used car salesman.

What does this mean? How does it relate to scum motivation over town motivation?

Town solve. Scum sell.

Solving does nothing if you can't sell it.

[Ryker]

Hey Rkyer, how do you feel about lynching Frozen Flame?

Completely out of the question today. My next course of action if Transcend flips scum.

[Ryker]

No. It's more that you come off like a used car salesman.

What does this mean? How does it relate to scum motivation over town motivation?

Town solve. Scum sell.

Solving does nothing if you can't sell it.

Yeah, but I don't see solving. I see steering.

That's because you didn't read the game............

[Ryker]

You think Lalight turns on Gamma IMMEDIATELY after the Transcend claim?

To distance, possibly. Also Gamma isn't really trying right now. I think Lalight knows what he is doing. Have you read the scum game he linked way earlier?

I can count on one hand the number of times I've read a completed game for the purposes of an ongoing. No, I have not.

[Ryker]

Call you retarded because we have a claimed guilty.

[Ryker]

Call you retarded because we have a claimed guilty.

That word is a personal pet peeve of mine.

Try again.

Retarded works. I have a pet peeve with people who have that as a pet peeve.

Transcend lynch over Gamma.

[Ryker]

Call you retarded because we have a claimed guilty.

That word is a personal pet peeve of mine.

Try again.

Retarded works. I have a pet peeve with people who have that as a pet peeve.

Transcend lynch over Gamma.

I was almost diagnosed as retarded due to my tonsils growing into my ears. So fuck off.

Rough. My have a brother who is clinically retarded. How about you fuck off?

[Ryker]

please just lynch gamma and figure out the rest of this shit later

What's the vc?

Transcend and Gamma are crossvoting. That's it.

[Ryker]

Frozenflame's reads have been consistently off. He's consistently been the back line. I don't think I've seen him move proactively the entire game. I expect more from him and I don't have it.

I'd PoE to him before Mulch.

[Ryker]

Alright, can you tell me why you think a scum!frozen would sheep my pushes early game? How about town!frozen?

1.) Because Town Frozen agreed.
2.) Because Scum Frozen didn't want to make waves.

[Ryker]

Legitimately curious what more you want. Your Day 1 pushes weren't great either. They were mostly on inactives for the purpose of making them show up. I don't think it's really easy to create an alignment read based on those.



As for Titus's claim. I think he might just be insane. Odd night cop is a nutty strong role. Never played with a gunsmith, but most cop variant roles are powerful. It's WAY easy to end up in 4v2 on Day 4 with the game cleared with 2 cop variants and a back-up that can work for either.

[Ryker]

I'm trying to bounce things off you right now. No one was really dropping much scum tells until time passed. Your pushes were not any better.

I'm on a phone and laying down in bed. Do you need anything in specific or are you just looking for things to bounce off of me?

[Ryker]

As for Titus's claim. I think he might just be insane. Odd night cop is a nutty strong role. Never played with a gunsmith, but most cop variant roles are powerful. It's WAY easy to end up in 4v2 on Day 4 with the game cleared with 2 cop variants and a back-up that can work for either.

Bitching about how you can't aim for shit? Or read for that matter? Gender box.

Can we just finish this game so I can be done playing with this snowflake?

[Ryker]

This game's been a shit show.

Zulfy and Firescreamer didn't play.

Tammy and Sparkles barely played.

FF gave me nothing much to read.

Transcend gave me a duplicate Marshy.

Mulch is a newbie and Gamma decided to sit as a null the entire game.

I enjoyed playing with Adum and Ran again, but I think I'm about done with this game.

Lalight and Titus think I'm scum, so town can't win regardless of who scum is, so I'd rather just lynch and end the game. I don't want to be playing another four weeks.

VOTE: Transcend

Deuces.

[Ryker]

As for Titus's claim. I think he might just be insane. Odd night cop is a nutty strong role. Never played with a gunsmith, but most cop variant roles are powerful. It's WAY easy to end up in 4v2 on Day 4 with the game cleared with 2 cop variants and a back-up that can work for either.

Bitching about how you can't aim for shit? Or read for that matter? Gender box.

Can we just finish this game so I can be done playing with this snowflake?

Dude, your discredits are high. You've called me insane, retarded and a special snowflake. Why the asshole demeanor?

Do get a good night's sleep.

Insane - thinking two cop varaints and a back-up isn't high investigative power for a 13 man game.
Retarded - thinking that a lynch outside of the claimed guilty crossvote is worth considering in MyLo.
Special Snowflake - blatant ad hominem provoked by the last post you made before that one.

That's why the asshole demeanor.

[Ryker]

Waiting on Lalight at this point as well. Pretty sure I know where this is going anyway.

[Ryker]

VOTE: Titus

And we're here.

I came into today one hundred percent certain scum team was just Lalight and Titus and they were both going to vote me, get Mulch to vote me and suddenly the entire game is stalled until FF or Transcend votes me.

Lalight defending me just throws everything into the wind and I'm stuck with either Titus/Lalight or Titus/Mulch.

Played like shit this game, but my reads have been on the table since Day 1.

If you've got questions, shoot.

[Ryker]

Ryker, why should I not lynch the everloving shit out of you?

Because I didnt claim a role I can't prove.

Because I have sat there and made my readslist public the entire game and you can cross reference it with my actions.

Legit, best thing I did thia game was save Sparkles. Aside from that, my play is shit, but it follows the train of thought I've shown all game. I've got the paper trail to cover me.

[Ryker]

i'll be here allllllllllllllllllll night

This looks pretty much like quickhammer setup.

I want to hear from FF. Fuck 48 hours

Do you truly believe in a Trans/Mulch scum team? Like, that's a thing you seriously think is possible?

[Ryker]

you have to admit that two nights of your neighborize failing looks kinda shitty but i think you're prob town for right now.

Yup. It is. That's why if I got voted for that reason, I would have no one to blame but me. Yet, I think the Ran kill was to prevent my neughborization from working and give lalight space to hide.

Funny, I think it's because Ran was supporting me as town at the end.

I don't think Ryker is scum. I would expect him to bus scum.

[Ryker]

Ryker/Mulch/Frozen: I'll be on all night if there's anything you want to talk about. Do it now because my availability is going to be tanked the next two days.

I'm basically just sitting here waiting on a verdict. I can answer anything, but from my PoV, Titus pretty much has to be scum. Scum team has to be Titus/Lalight or Titus/Mulch and I don't have the stomach to push Titus/Mulch after calling Lalight scum the entire, fucking, game when he's bringing up Transcend/Mulch as a possible scum team at this point.

I'm voting Titus. Barring someone outright claiming scum, I'll be voting Lalight next phase unless someone has a CRAZY good sell on doing something else that doesn't include ScumRyker.

I think I'm pretty obviously not aligned with Lalight or Titus given our interactions. I think the only realistic scum team you can suggest with me in it at this point is Ryker/Mulch.

I've got no worlds I can see in which FF is scum or Transcend is scum.

[Ryker]

Hi Ryker, spill your thoughts to me about this day phase. I gotta get some snooze soon but I caught you at the right time.

Can you tell me what ultimately led to you voting me over Gamma and why you did it so recklessly without attempting to save Gamma?

I was fed up with Titus yesterday.

Titus is the one thing I hate most when playing games. Doesn't play the game as intended. Didn't read, was spewing things that could be dispelled easily by reading (possibility of scum Ran), was hounding me about how townies act with bullshit statements that don't hold true to the game (scum sell, town solves, why me = fry me). With the way Lalight has been posting about my slot for the entire game, Titus's opinion of my slot, Ran starting the phase going back on me, and all around people just keeping me high in the lynch pool, I didn't see much of a point to continuing the game if I was just gonna die a week or two later and lose the game if we were correct. I'm still pretty much just ready for the game to be over with.

I voted you over Gamma based on my opinion that the set-up shouldn't have both your role and Lalight's. Even-night Gunsmith is a much more convoluted role and easier to claim after an odd night role has been claimed. Gamma as a claim would be the perfect way to get a closing lynch because almost everyone had Gamma in a "can go" pile. All-in-all, the decision between which one to lynch was still a pretty large crap shoot from my PoV.

[Ryker]

As for Titus's claim. I think he might just be insane. Odd night cop is a nutty strong role. Never played with a gunsmith, but most cop variant roles are powerful. It's WAY easy to end up in 4v2 on Day 4 with the game cleared with 2 cop variants and a back-up that can work for either.

Bitching about how you can't aim for shit? Or read for that matter? Gender box.

Can we just finish this game so I can be done playing with this snowflake?

Ryker, I also need you to explain why you said "finish the game" when you were gonna vote me. The game would in fact finish if I got lynched, but the game would continue if a mafia got lynched.

As highlighted earlier, this game is in it's final gasp. My play is ultimately solved at this point. Lynch whatever the choice is that isn't me until the game ends. We were running in circles knowing we were going to lynch one of you and Gamma. I just wanted night so Titus would stop posting.

[Ryker]

Ryker would you vote lalight today?

I have no possible scum teams right now that don't include Lalight, so yes, I would be willing to vote Lalight today if we went that route. I would need to see a crazy good sell on Mulch/Titus for that to change and Lalight seems to be looking at Mulch/Transcend right now, so that's unlikely.

[Ryker]

I crumbed even night before light made his claim :p

But alright thanks for responding.

I mean, yeah, but you can do that with any role and then just not pull the crumb. That's not hard to do at all, homie.

[Ryker]

Anything else? Otherwise I'm gonna bail until late tonight.

[Ryker]

Had fun til the end.

Was super fun playing with all my boys again.

Transcend, you're dope to hang out with.

Titus, please never replace into a game and then refuse to read it. Instead just let someone else get the slot or let it be mod killed. Especially if you're not going to send in a night action.

Well played to all involved.

[Ryker]

good job scum

ryker i know that shit dragged for you but i hope your enthusiasm isnt killed to the point youll /out the potential large game. wondering if you can bring laundry/raz/anyone else should we get the green light here

I would, but I actually have to bail on it because the Mafia Championship game I'm in started up.

[Ryker]

still waiting on tips how to play day vig yo

Don't shoot. ESPECIALLY don't shoot early or on impulse unless you're shooting a complete inactive.

I'll defend Sparkles as beginning to play the game when he was shot. Him getting shot fucked me up pretty good because I thought he was town and wanted him to start posting and see where the people who were voting him on D1 went.

[Ryker]

Game 9. I saw Tammy confirming, so I think she's game 8???

[Ryker]

Afaik games were still running at a fairly good pace for like a year or two after I graduated undergrad in 2012, so I doubt it had anything to do with my waning activity =P

Many vets did start fading away though and that certainly mustve contributed to the slow down.

You're right though, playing mafia isn't hard to pick up again, but I think strong scum hunting skills atrophy without flexing those muscles. I definitely have been finding it tough to develop good reads on people.

What's the best career then? Spy? Undercover cop? lol

Amen to atrophy on the scum hunting muscles. Im soooooo much better at scum than town now. I started being allowed to just rest on roles and reputation and I let everything rot.

Trying to fix it though. Enjoying playing again.

[Ryker]

swf

What site is this?

Smash World Forums, the original name of what is now actually named SmashBoards. It's the central online hub for all things competitive Smash Bros. We had an incredibly robust mafia sub-community there from about 2007 - 2012ish or so I'd say. It's mostly a ghost town now though =(

In its heyday, SWF had by FAR the highest average player level of any community I've played in and I think I'm spoiled as a result.