Open 690: Kill All Townies - Game Over

[Sesq]

fifth.

VOTE: Bellaphant

wanna be startin somethin'.

[Sesq]

VOTE: Balki

this is scum

[Sesq]

read

[Sesq]

Hey

Hey

Hey

This is library

[Sesq]

@Comm/Sesq: Your reads on each other please. Also, if it's not much to ask, your top 3 scum reads each.

lol i dont fuckin know

[Sesq]

VOTE: A50

[Sesq]

And why not bring up the person that naked voted them

because who cares lmao

VOTE: flubernuget

i dont

[Sesq]

my meta case is that comm is not scum

[Sesq]

Someone who is asked why I think Sesq is scum

They've made two bad votes so far and that's the entirety of their play

was gonna get on comm but thats l1

you dont know my meta do you

[Sesq]

someone could quicklynch

[Sesq]

@Ali, what will you do if I flip green?

You're not a cop if you have to use the word IF here
-Ali

this is not legit reason

[Sesq]

what night tho lmao

[Sesq]

I feel like the way sesq avoided the wagon is scummy.
But yeah tbh, I wasn't really thinking about the setup.
-Ali

pedit: I fakeclaimed because I thought you were scum fakeclaiming near a noose.

i honestly dont know at this point who is scum man

sell me

[Sesq]

tbh i havent been paying much attention, will iso now

after reading through it i dont really see anything except sorta what seems like wagoning onto comm

[Sesq]

owo whats this

VOTE: Delta

[Sesq]

i feel like im stuck right now

and kinda want to lynch comm

but im not sure

[Sesq]

well, in this game

but look through my past

[Sesq]

hmm

[Sesq]

ugh

[Sesq]

wait what why

he isnt even posted lmao

im gettin ghe FUCK off

UNVOTE:

scum @ on this

[Sesq]

VOTE: bellapahnt

[Sesq]

scum on the wagon doesn't make delta town btw
this is multiball

hmm

good point

dont you think its more likely that theres scum on the wagon? (scum being colloquial for werewolves/mafia here)

hmmmm

[Sesq]

uhh

did you see everyone dogpile??

[Sesq]

daily reminder that bella is scum

[Sesq]

daily reminder that bella is scum

Why is Bella scum?

jumping on a wagon and tryign to look busy

[Sesq]

literally not saying anything the entire game

[Sesq]

looking like she's doing something you mean

[Sesq]

yeah, bellaphant is scum.

[Sesq]

I'd say I'm more confident in my scum reads on Sesq & Balki.

Why is Sesq scum?

Second this. Sesq I see as lynchbait.

never not lynchbait

[Sesq]

that was luck

i'm totes town now yknow

[Sesq]

why not?

[Sesq]

why not?

because you got a scum role pm

clearly i have not

[Sesq]

in the hydra

[Sesq]

VOTE: Tenshii

stop

[Sesq]

never really played pokemon

not sure what to think of the lynch

[Sesq]

the amount of people who quickvoted it makes me uneasy

[Sesq]

i wish people would switch over to tenshii

guy pings me more

[Sesq]

associative tells are usually bs unless it goes both ways

and even then i tend to just slip into scum's pocket a lot of the time

[Sesq]

YES IT LYNCHED SCUM

also mathematically speaking, we're a lot better off which is cool

who to lynch

[Sesq]

oh yeah

VOTE: Tenshii

[Sesq]

I'm still not convinced this plan won't end in us outing the Seer and complete catastrophe.
By the way... why is Sesq town again?

pedit: Yeah, that. We can't count on the WW saving town for us. We need both WW alive for that to be viable. And please don't tell me you plan on keeping scum alive or hunting for the "right faction" because that's bad. CommKnight claimed, we know Maria ain't mafia, we'll probably maybe get another result tonight.

because i'm not scum

as for tenshii's plan, i don't really get what he's saying but its stupid

i dont care about being checked, i just think its a potential waste of time (then again, probably not for you guys)

also bellaphant is still scum

VOTE: bellaphant

balki's volunteering feels like wanting to look town

[Sesq]

balki's volunteering feels like wanting to look town

Right. But it also has consequences.

And also --

I do want to look town

. Do you think my wanting to look town, with 5 lynch votes on me, is alignment indicative?

Call my bluff. Scan me.

to the extent it is, maybe

also, voting sesq for acting scummy and expecting to lynch scum is a very unreliable plan

i would debunk your reasons but you havent presented any which i'm both used to and approve of

[Sesq]

balki stop being so "le rational xd"

that isnt how mafia works smh

[Sesq]

balki stop being so "le rational xd"

that isnt how mafia works smh

^ My TR on Sesq is well placed.

there are better reasons

[Sesq]

balki stop being so "le rational xd"

that isnt how mafia works smh

^ My TR on Sesq is well placed.

Kinda feeling like this mafia community just sucks. I felt like people were much more reasonable and intelligent in the Newbie game I played.

how arrogant do you have to be to make a post like this

meta won't bend to you, you will bend to meta

suck it up or leave the site

sorry if i sound mean but i dont like it when newbies come in and start telling people who are experienced with mafia how to play mafia

Echo is prob town. I also volunteer, if only to see what scum!sesq will do when she doesn't have a 30odd page scum read to fall back on and make her look busy.

implying you havent been doing the same thing

[Sesq]

how arrogant do you have to be to make a post like this

I'm

very

arrogant. You won't hurt my feelings by saying so.

I also expect a lot, and it advances my win condition to get my team to play better. So I will call you out if you are playing poorly, and I will insist that you play better.

meta won't bend to you, you will bend to meta

suck it up or leave the site

I may leave, but first I'm going to point out where folks have substituted bald assertions or adjectives like "dumb" in place of analysis, and see if I can encourage people to try harder.

sorry if i sound mean but i dont like it when newbies come in and start telling people who are experienced with mafia how to play mafia

You don't "sound mean"; just complacent.

who are you to say

you're about to get lynched

you're playing the worst clearly

mafia isnt just a game of logic, it's a game of emotion and using interrogative techniques to try to get people to slip up

if you think that pure rationality will get you to the end you are very mistaken

(playing in such a way also implies that you are able to be 100% rational which is not always the case)

[Sesq]

yeah probably

[Sesq]

you're demonstrating that you do not understand the motivation by not providing reasoning for your votes

thats enough for me

[Sesq]

i've already said why

[Sesq]

>you've lynched scum
there's 2 factions that doesn't prove shit
also could have been a bus, and you did join pretty late w/o reasoning (generally unexplained votes for emotion are not on existing wagons, disregard this post if you dont agree its valid, theres already enough shit)
>pursued other scum reads
as in you just shaded a few people. doesn't take a townie to do that
>actually shown your reads
doesn't mean anything

i've already shown my reads which you would know if you paid any attention

[Sesq]

i know your town meta and this is nothing alike

you're definitely scum and everyone is gonna see eventually

in my experience i'm usually right about these things

[Sesq]

honestly i dont think balki is scum

bella is, why may be lurkscum

[Sesq]

i would be very surprised if this guy flips scum

[Sesq]

admit it: this wagon is dumb

[Sesq]

of course he is when hes about to get fucking lynched

literally the most dumb reason to read someone

[Sesq]

i think the targets are obvious

[Sesq]

yesterday was a fast wagon and we got scum

thats not solid logic

[Sesq]

yeah, but when its in the same game with the same setup, and the setup itself is responsible for it being invalid

yeah

[Sesq]

fast and bulbous

[Sesq]

the fact that you all are SO PARANOID about a bella lynch even tho she has only 2 votes

is extremely telling

what's to lose?

[Sesq]

the fact that you all are SO PARANOID about a bella lynch even tho she has only 2 votes

is extremely telling

what's to lose?

No we're not

lol yes you are

[Sesq]

VOTE: Bella

Why
I'm baffled by this

stop playing games with me.

[Sesq]

VOTE: Bella

Why
I'm baffled by this

stop playing games with me.

The fuck?
I expressed confusion at a naked vote that did nothing to establish a bigger wagon since Bella was the same place as me for votes. I ain't paranoid about shit.
Once Balki flips scum I'm tunneling you tomorrow.

if balki flips town will you not tunnel me?

this reaction is scum

[Sesq]

I read Almost50's ISO. Frankly, it's not good for those of us rooting for Balki's survival today. If anyone fearkilled Almost50 for having correct reads, it is Balki or Sesq. Almost was very focused on those 2.

Almost gives his first reads list at 367, with scum leans on "Gamma Emerald, Sesq, Hawk, havingfitz, Siblings Pet Doggo, DeltaW"

But following the Cop CC episode and Balki's skepticism about Comm's claim, Almost50 came out hard against Balki at 596.

At 620, Almost50 updated his reads, with a lynch pool of "Sesq, Hawk, havingfitz, DeltaW, Balki, Tenshii," but most confidence in scum reads on Balki and Sesq.

At 957, Almost50 provides some meta on Sesq, which essentially dispelled the notion that Sesq is lynchbait because Sesq has drifted on in games before by doing nothing.

Bottom Line

: Almost50's reads coalesced down to "Sesq, Hawk, havingfitz, DeltaW, Balki, Tenshii," but his biggest pushes and most confidence were in his reads on Balki and Sesq

A couple of other notes

: I'd be really surprised if the Vig killed Almost50. Upon reading his ISO, he just comes across as very townie. Firm positions, votes and pushes with intention and effort, collaboration with town reads, no fear. I haven't looked back to see who was scum reading Almost50, but I don't recall serious pushes in that direction. To me, it seems like the most likely reason for this kill is that Almost50 appeared very townie, with a lot of credibility, and ability to lead a lynch.

That said, I can already hear Comm coming at me with "but this is multi-ball, scum are aiming at each other!" Maybe...I don't know. I'd say that if anyone was hunting for strong town on N1, it was WWs, after mafia lost Godfather. So my best explanation is that WWs killed Almost50. I know I am town, so this somewhat implicates Sesq as being a WW in my eyes. But, in my albeit limited experience, I think you get in trouble assuming that the NKs scumread killed because someone was scumreading them.

Still, given what I saw in Almost50's ISO, my best read of the moment is that

Sesq is a WW

.

VOTE: Sesq

this relies on a misinterpretation of my meta either on his or your end

i go back between lynchbait and lurker do-nothing from game to game regardless of alignment

frame!kills are also a thing i see commonly, and i believe that it's scum trying to plant YOU as the killer, considering your wagon day 1

also can everyone stop being so scummy smh

glad people are coming around on bella

nothing else to say at the moment really

[Sesq]

frame!kills are also a thing i see commonly, and i believe that it's scum trying to plant YOU as the killer, considering your wagon day 1

I thought about a framekill, but I don't think that narrative makes sense in this setup. It's hard to tell who killed who and for what reason. So it's unlikely that a faction will spend a kill just because they want to lynch the scumread of that kill. Seems like a much more efficient use of a kill is to knock off someone who is going to hurt you the next day.

Again, this same reasoning can be applied to suggest I might be scum, and that's wrong. So, I'm quite uniquely situated to understand the Almost50 kill as suggestive of Sesq being mafia.

Also, you might think, if Sesq did not kill Almost50, and Sesq is Town, she would suspect me of being the person who killed Almost50 because I'm the only one other than her who was in Almost50's priority lynch list. But she doesn't seem to think that.

this is kinda weird for many reasons

on one hand scum isnt dumb enough to just kill who is onto them usually, a lot of time they'll go after inactives

on the other hand, you were framed, and you did get wagoned a ton, but i dont think that kill was the reason why

also i dont think you killed them because i don't think you're scum

i'm town and i think that sooo

[Sesq]

1) because im town
2) because your logic doesnt work

[Sesq]

lol

i already explained why your logic is bad

it isnt proof, it's just potential evidence

it's something you'd use to further prove a read or smthg

[Sesq]

you could probably do this sorta potential scumreading type thing ur doing on literally anyone

i could just say that you're scum and that's why you killed a50

but i dont take that jump

because you havent actually done anything scummy outside of that

just like me

[Sesq]

this is such a noobcase it makes my brain hurt

[Sesq]

VOTE: balki

i know im gonna get accused of omgus and just get dismissed immediately but whatever

he's either arguing in bad faith (as scum) or being a complete noob and i'd lynch either

[Sesq]

1) what motivation would scum have for that
2) this is completely subjective and a bullshit point in general. lots of townies are absolutely useless. it's only an actual valid point when someone is trying to make it look like they're being productive when they aren't. i did literally nothing all of day one and that's just a normal thing for me.
3) because she's done the same thing as i just described and has acted completely the opposite of a prior towngame with her

[Sesq]

no, its that you're now making a bullshit push and i can see that
maybe you were making them before and i wasn't paying as much attention because they weren't on me.

i'm not even entirely sold that you are scum, in fact i really think you're more likely to not be, i just needed a more solid way to tell you that you're fucking up

my playstyle has always been not paying that much attention until matters directly involve me

[Sesq]

1) what the fuck? how does that even have any gain. if anything it'll make people be like "he was too confident that flip was town, he is scum and he knows!"
2) nice job moving that goalpost. going from "done anything productive" to "done anything town-indicative"
3) viewtopic.php?f=52&t=70384

[Sesq]

and no, bellaphant has done pretty much nothing, just went over the iso. feels like she was prodding random people with a stick and asking pointless questions for 75% of the iso. the other 25% was playing it safe

scum as fuck

[Sesq]

i did make a mistake there, it is mostly pointless, but not necessarily in the form of questions. it's pointless bs, sometimes with """""reads""""" sprinkled in

the entire iso is playing it safe except for the game burger vote, which is because his posts were "forced" and with no other explanation. great.

if you can find me anything of substance in that ISO i will be surprised

also they've done nothing today yet

#funnelsarestupid

#stopchikoritas

[Sesq]

lolll

everyone is either being dumb or incredibly scummy and i hate it

[Sesq]

hard to tell when everyone is fucking chikorita

but i think so

[Sesq]

flub is nulltown

[Sesq]

hmm

[Sesq]

yeah you're def scum

[Sesq]

...@balki, i was kinda shit that game, but a bit more vocal than i have been this game. ali, trans, frog and sesq all played, and i scum-read sesq a lot. which is making me wonder if this is a playstyle issue. i'm curious as to what sesq is seeing. also, they should still talk to frog about me

@gamma, spd?

sober up and read my posts

[Sesq]

honestly i dont think balki is scum

bella is, why may be lurkscum

You wasted two pages with him

Fuck your meta

Get lynched

wouldn't call it wasted

also discarding meta is a terrible idea

[Sesq]

EchoVision whiteknighting is a thing

[Sesq]

why didnt you bump with replacement announcement and then pagetop just

ugh

why do i care lmao

anyway welcome dunn

..I wanted the replacement announcement at the top instead.

[Sesq]

..I wanted the replacement announcement at the top instead.

good mod

[Sesq]

no

lol

[Sesq]

the fact that you all are SO PARANOID about a bella lynch even tho she has only 2 votes

is extremely telling

what's to lose?

Sources?

it's right in front of your face omg

lol

i already explained why your logic is bad

it isnt proof, it's just potential evidence

it's something you'd use to further prove a read or smthg

This is a very universal discredit

not so far

honestly i dont think balki is scum

bella is, why may be lurkscum

You wasted two pages with him

Fuck your meta

Get lynched

wouldn't call it wasted

also discarding meta is a terrible idea

I'm discarding it because I don't feel like hearing "it's just my meta" when I scum read you

And yes, it was wasted. And your push against him is more generic than the one you're accusing him of having

i wouldn't call the circumstances around the push generic

also meta is important and if you ignore it you're goign to lynch town

[Sesq]

i find your reasons for classifying me disconcerting

[Sesq]

i find your reasons for classifying me disconcerting

Why

This post is mostly the reason you're more null but you do it consistently enough outside of this game where i don't see it as a tell

it was the last bit

[Sesq]

specifically what context

i can/will explain it but i know if i accidentally dont get your point accurate you're going to go "REEEE MISREP"

and even now you're going to be like "muh dodging"

or not, in which case coo

[Sesq]

specifically what context

i can/will explain it but i know if i accidentally dont get your point accurate you're going to go "REEEE MISREP"

and even now you're going to be like "muh dodging"

or not, in which case coo

The difference between "proof" and "potential evidence" is negligible

Go back to 1656 and explain how that is "potential evidence" and not "proof"

i explained that given the same evidence it could equally be concluded that balki was scum and thats why a50 was killed, so that isnt really solid

his other reasoning was weakshit

please learn how to read

i find your reasons for classifying me disconcerting

Why

This post is mostly the reason you're more null but you do it consistently enough outside of this game where i don't see it as a tell

it was the last bit

The "I think thats all", the fact that I would vote bella or echo, my scumreads in general?

the last bit of your sentence abt me

[Sesq]

this is trying-to-look busy core

VOTE: Flub

ready for this now

[Sesq]

honeslty that was a waste of time

PEDIT; well thats bullshit too

he completely refused to iso bella

BALKI ISO BELLA AND PROVE WHY SHE IS TOWN (if you can)

[Sesq]

wait what

[Sesq]

Game

Nothing you are saying has convinced me that you truly believe Sesq is gamesolving harder than I am

It's just stating...things if you can even v call them that

projection game is strong with this one

[Sesq]

I'm against a lynch on balki here:/ sesq? said we need to understand meta, so looking at his other game he produced an impressive scumgame (admittedly it was newbie but we ended up with a majority of veterans iirc.) I don't see him faltering like this now, so I don't particularly agree with the votes on him now.

Also game, you'd be pretty accurate with casting me as new, I am to the site at least.

you're forgetting the one game where i hardcore lurked and bussed a bit

[Sesq]

not at all lmao

my only scum game where i was success was before i had meta

[Sesq]

same

i haven't been paying attentions to factions at all

[Sesq]

can we lynch bellaphant now?

i mean come on

VOTE: bellaphant

[Sesq]

why should i automatically trust you for *any* reason

that's such a dumb thing to do

if bella actually plays like this every game they will be able to pull up examples

[Sesq]

why should i automatically trust you for *any* reason

that's such a dumb thing to do

if bella actually plays like this every game they will be able to pull up examples

Tell us what's different here than in Tit for Tat. Because we were both in that game with Bella (and I correctly townread her there, as I have every single time we've been town together).

ribbit

actually engaging

responses to me are also notably different

[Sesq]

we have 3 lynches today

we get bella, if she town speedlynch me ok?

[Sesq]

we have 3 lynches today

we get bella, if she town speedlynch me ok?

i'm not gonna support a bella wagon, but if she flips town we speedlynch game. That sheep of you was awful.

-Ribbit

lol you have no grip of the game

game is sheepin me

[Sesq]

o im a moron

anyway

tell me why dunn is scum

[Sesq]

thank you for this

[Sesq]

damb

lets do

VOTE: Dunn

[Sesq]

Alright

I'm done responding to Siblings Pet Doggo

@GameNBurger taking a look at MariaR, what do you think of her play so much? Ignore that she's cop cleared
@sesq if you're around, same question. I've already asked you once

what questin

[Sesq]

What do you think of MariaR this game? could you see them as scum? would you lynch them? (ignoring that they're clear of being mafia)

no oponion of them

maybe scum

[Sesq]

Dunn, if you claim I move

[Sesq]

because the entire time they were at L-1 they completely dodged having to claim

if you can convince me a situation where town can do that i'll be off

[Sesq]

uh

that's not cutting it right now

[Sesq]

*crosses fingers*

[Sesq]

no i thought it was weird that you didn't claim THEN

as for echo, maybe

[Sesq]

if you were town you'd have real claimed at l-1, not ignored, bullshitted, and mislead

[Sesq]

in the end the point is moot

[Sesq]

in the end the point is moot

It's not moot, I'll be waiting for your response.

why cant i talk like a normal human

my point is that it can be interpreted either way so i'm gonna interpret that as going no way

[Sesq]

huh

[Sesq]

game feels more like town who says things wrong

i could be wrong

not opposed to lynch really

[Sesq]

add both balki and flubber to the list of people sesq has been pushing as scum

i said i have 75% chance balki isnt scum i was voting to send a message
flubber yea

[Sesq]

was busy past few days

not sure if i should catch up but im kinda against game lynch? he does feel like lynchbait.

[Sesq]

well well

VOTE: Vedith

i remembered something

[Sesq]

remember that vedith is bellas slot

i.e., the scummiest person

[Sesq]

please do

[Sesq]

why is mm town

[Sesq]

vedith + mario is a team definitely

[Sesq]

i mean a scumteam

duh

[Sesq]

stop shitposting

[Sesq]

that's fairly arguable

[Sesq]

haha i cant believe this

should have replaced out

needless to say bella/vedith hasnt done a townie thing all fuckiin game

so i stay

[Sesq]

nope

[Sesq]

both my other heads aren't doing shit and this game is a drag [2]

im plural, not a hydra.