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In post 146, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I think you spend 100% of your time complaining about Trump and Brexit and 0% denouncing ISIS.
I haven't denounced rape recently, or murdering puppies, or infanticide, or people that wear too much perfume, or female circumcision, or exploitation of African countries, or animal cruelty in our food supply, or sexual exploitation of minors...have you?
Does that mean we support these things?
In post 173, Untrod Tripod wrote:is this just the current version of the whole "liberals are the REAL fascists" schtick?
it's a twist on that
see liberals are the problem because we prevent conservatives from being able to fix the problem. If we could only see that they had the answers to stop people from killing one another. But we're evil and hate them and wouldn't want them to get credit for making the world a better place. So we insist it remain a shit hole just to prove them wrong. And we're horrible bullies that will steal their lunch money and maybe kick them in the nads if they try to burn a cross on our lawn
In post 435, imaginality wrote:Kinda pipe dreaming here, probably, but what if Corbyn offers to head a national unity government, with ministers from all parties, and with the specific aim of negotiating a soft Brexit (I.e. negotiate the best deal that maintains single market access), with a guarantee that there'll be a new general election in 2019 after the deal is agreed?
He has an openness to his approach that makes me think he could make that work, unlike May. And if an arrangement like that was agreed on, it would give UK a good platform for negotiations with the EU.
I wonder if any/enough pro-Remain Tory MPs would consider that option. Cos the alternative of the Tories trying to push for a harder Brexit with DUP support seems clearly less stable.
That's a terrible plan long term.
No one will be happy after Brexit. It's going to suck no matter who negotiates it, and it's best to hang that around the conservatives necks instead of taking all the crap for it when you didn't even want it in the first place.
In post 435, imaginality wrote:Kinda pipe dreaming here, probably, but what if Corbyn offers to head a national unity government, with ministers from all parties, and with the specific aim of negotiating a soft Brexit (I.e. negotiate the best deal that maintains single market access), with a guarantee that there'll be a new general election in 2019 after the deal is agreed?
He has an openness to his approach that makes me think he could make that work, unlike May. And if an arrangement like that was agreed on, it would give UK a good platform for negotiations with the EU.
I wonder if any/enough pro-Remain Tory MPs would consider that option. Cos the alternative of the Tories trying to push for a harder Brexit with DUP support seems clearly less stable.
That's a terrible plan long term.
No one will be happy after Brexit. It's going to suck no matter who negotiates it, and it's best to hang that around the conservatives necks instead of taking all the crap for it when you didn't even want it in the first place.
That's a very politically minded move. If you feel you are just actually capable of getting a better deal and care about the country, you might want to head it up.
I don't think it matters who negotiates the deal, its going to be harmful either way
it's definitely going to annoy people either way, because life is going to be more complicated on the day to day and that will all get stuck on whoever is the face of negotiations.
In post 437, shaft.ed wrote:That's a terrible plan long term.
No one will be happy after Brexit. It's going to suck no matter who negotiates it, and it's best to hang that around the conservatives necks instead of taking all the crap for it when you didn't even want it in the first place.
If you are in politics but don't want to actually lead the country, what the hell are you doing? In the rest of the coming decade you aren't going to make as much as an impact as you would in the coming 2 years. Sure you could look away the moment it's getting tough then whine that your opponents messed it all up. All you've managed is help your country to shit from your point of view, and shown your voters that you don't have the guts to make tough decisions when they are asked from you.
Now Corbyn could never lead a government of national unity. He's barely able to lead his own party. So it does sound like a pipe dream.
the time to stand up and lead was post Brexit vote by offering a second chance at stay instead of saying you'd do the thing you campaigned against better than the people who wanted to do it in the first place
In post 487, mykonian wrote:It's not even been a year since the referendum, and the conservatives, in charge of that brexit, lost 13 seats, a whole 2 percent of the house of commons.
my position is they lose more seats if Labour ran on a platform of no Brexit, or at the very least another referendum
In post 559, Davsto wrote:I mean sure it's not "unusual" but it doesn't mean it's not annoying as anything and another contributor to low young voter turnout
