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[Klazam]

VOTE: Taco

Fight me

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[Klazam]

I'm wiped, big meeting at work that's ongoing, don't expect a real post from me til Wednesday, most likely.

mod- I been playing since long before vote tags was a thing, can I use bold tags, please? Because that habit's hard to break for me.

UNVOTE:

Fixed unvote tags

[Klazam]

Also taco, don't accuse someone of lurking on the frigging first day. Thank you.

[Klazam]

Tbh I like this taco play a lot- can confirm I know him irl and what he's doing I see as town yeah. Could be maniuplating but nah I don't think so at the moment. I did see someone that pinged me earlier on my skim but I cant be fucked to go back and look at the moment.

See you all wednesday

mod, noted. I will adjust. Also wtf there's a unvote tag now-
what is it

[Klazam]

I think he's reading too much into my first post and absence today

[Klazam]

I'm not so sure no more on sergtacos. Your selfmeta thing is shitty. You can wait tho, the other guy is worse.

[Klazam]

exactly. you know i can read you as town or not. but youre making a big ass deal out of it and taking it too seriously right now.

Are you there? If so, respond to this question in the next 5-10 mins. if you miss that time slot ill ignore the answer you come up with.

Why are you scum?

[Klazam]

I guess i can get in te game now, so im looking back to find that post right now. waiting on taco to answer.

[Klazam]

okay yeah. VOTE: Sergtacos Youre being OVERLY aware of your selfmeta and manipulating your play to fit within that meta. Die. Im sorry bro, i didnt want to hang you on D1 but there it is.

[Klazam]

Found it. It was Twoface with the "scummy strike". Gut's pinging me on that. can wait, i have a tunnel to get to digging, though.

Sergtacos- Your scum read of me is based on what?

[Klazam]

The thing here, is that your reactions is EXACTLY what i expected you to say. Exact. so that reads to me youre thinking about what im expecting to see and giving me that, which is scummy as fuck.

[Klazam]

WHOA WAIT- You want your vote to stay on me, then try to say "TvT" in the same post. explain.

[Klazam]

And honestly since when do i omgus? thats the other guy's thing not me lol. in fact your vote is actually the OMGUS, i voted you first.

[Klazam]

The thing here, is that your reactions is EXACTLY what i expected you to say. Exact. so that reads to me youre thinking about what im expecting to see and giving me that, which is scummy as fuck.

address this.

[Klazam]

i knew that if you looked at your previous play and applied that to respond to my question, you'd joke about being mafia.

[Klazam]

(Sorry for spamming this thread, but i know Tacos and I will have this fight at some point so im trying to get him sorted out, and so far it doesnt look great for him)

[Klazam]

What about my play is telling you i'm mafia here? you know how i play.

PEDIT: Thing here, I KNOW you were nervous before this game started. to transition to being a jokester sounds bullshit to me, man. more i see from you, the more i feel youre playign to your meta playbook intentionally, instead of being organic.

[Klazam]

its not that you called him scummy, its the manner in which you did.

[Klazam]

look at my joindate. nope.

and youre being overly defensive.

[Klazam]

not really. if somebody is in a time zone that isn't morning right now they could logically deduce that I am in a time zone where it was. If they somehow weren't able to do that, they could ask me what time zone I was in.

my opinion stands, it was stupid for him to find my statement weird so that's one strike against him

this post.

[Klazam]

Currently you give the impression that you are more focused on painting the picture of town!Sergtacos while and pushing a gut feel on your buddy Klazam than do any real scum hunting

THIS EXACTLY. Thank you for being eloquent

[Klazam]

VOTE: two-face

I'm just extremely disappointed that you didn't go "oh I see your point, that could be true", that'd have conftowned you to me. You're too careful.

Still a null to me

Mulch- 6 pages of nothing that important then a couple pages of me and sergtacos.

[Klazam]

Being too defensive

[Klazam]

Feels jumpy to me

[Klazam]

He's focused on defending instead of going with it and pushing others.

Taco, I could care less about your read of me, I'm just trying to figure out your alignment, and you're not doing things right

[Klazam]

Advice, don't try to read into it just yet. Try later, because there's gonna be a certain element of chaos between us two that's hard for outside persecptuves to analyze right now. Or that's what I think at least.

[Klazam]

Based on

[Klazam]

(regarding tchill vote)

[Klazam]

Jesus fuck two face-to-face you have to fucking scumhunt here, not just defend yourself and say nothing else

[Klazam]

.. sometimes I hate my phone but that was funny

[Klazam]

2face, you said someone lied, who?

[Klazam]

I've told you, defensiveness by itself is okay but you're only doing that without scumhunting. Focused on self= scumny

[Klazam]

2face: i just iso'd you. its literally consisting of you attacking people for expressing suspicion of you. 100%. you call people liars for trying to read you- the first one because that person said you overreacted- which you did- then the second because you placed a omgus vote- WHICH YOU DID, IN ESSENCE.

Then your ad hom attacks on me. <sergtaco: ad hom = ad hominem = attacking the person instead of addressing the arugement, which is what he did by insinuating im bad enough at this game and i need to go play newbs>

Oh, while you did that, you also tried to say that i thought you were scummy BECAUSE you called someone scummy? FALSE. I said its the manner in which you did so.

you okay, bud?

[Klazam]

UNVOTE:

nah this is town. bad town but town.

ill reread later and decide who to go after.

[Klazam]

Who you thinking here, Taco?

[Klazam]

some of those slots, referring to whom

[Klazam]

gotcha. thought you meant who gets on the Taco wagon, which was slightly confusing.

[Klazam]

breathe dude. nothing is black and white. dont gotta have a stick up your ass about it.

[Klazam]

Yeah I shouldn't have been posting that, I apologize. Feeling a bit nasty right now because pissed about some stuff irl I guess.

[Klazam]

I'm gonna reread again and catch up later tonight. Serg is town, I'm fairly confident on that at this moment.

[Klazam]

Taco, honestly youre preventing me from getting into this game. so much pointless shit to wade through

[Klazam]

You have two times as much posts as the next most profilic poster and 1/3 of your posts have actual content. This isn't a 30 min game to be over and done with quickly, people have lives off-site, so chill a bit

[Klazam]

IM GONNA POST TONIGHT I PROMISE

[Klazam]

Spoiler:

Tbh I like this taco play a lot- can confirm I know him irl and what he's doing I see as town yeah. Could be maniuplating but nah I don't think so at the moment. I did see someone that pinged me earlier on my skim but I cant be fucked to go back and look at the moment.

See you all wednesday

mod, noted. I will adjust. Also wtf there's a unvote tag now-
what is it

okay yeah. VOTE: Sergtacos Youre being OVERLY aware of your selfmeta and manipulating your play to fit within that meta. Die. Im sorry bro, i didnt want to hang you on D1 but there it is.

I'm gonna reread again and catch up later tonight. Serg is town, I'm fairly confident on that at this moment.

Ok, so basically if you all take a look at klazam's ISO you'll see 0 actual scumhunting in there. Yeah you can turn that back around on me and say the same thing, but hes got 42 posts in the game already - surely you'd think there'd be some scum hunting interspersed in there. Another thing I noticed is his constant flip flop reads on taco. In the beginning of the game he reads taco as town blah blah blah but as the game goes on (and people started scum reading taco for all of his spam) he changes his reads to fit with everyone else - saying that taco is suddenly scum. Once the wagon on taco fell apart though you can see that he goes back to a strong town read on him again.

Another thing (probably NAI) is the lack of quoting. Like reading through the ISO is a pain in the ass because you don't know what hes responding to so to get a proper feel of it you have to re-read those sections of the game. Seems like this is a good strategy for scum to adopt, but maybe this is just his playstyle, can anyone vouch for that?

VOTE: klazam

I'm confident to put my vote here for the moment.

This is fair, yeah, i was focusing on trying to get a read on taco, basically all my posts related to him was reaction testing to see if hes behaving as i think he would as town.

me not quoting is mainly because quoting is a pain on my phone.

Im gonna reread the game and then post, then if you still want me hung, feel free. I apologize for flaking from the game so far, been distracted with other stuff.

[Klazam]

Alright, i finished reading the last few pages, seems tchill is prime wagon, so ill focus on that on my reread

[Klazam]

To be fair, I am the type of person who likes a 20-30 page Day 1, and I like being able to sit out of Day 1 entirely if I can. Day 1-2's are meh.

I AM THE EXACT SAME wow.

[Klazam]

god damn it guise. now i get on to read


aaaand theres 10 pages already

[Klazam]

Here's my thoughts so far, theyre kinda out of order because im not gonna be reading the game linearly, im skipping around.
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I said I was VT. Good luck anyways town.

Dont like this post from Tchill. he KNEW it wasnt the hammer, and still made this post. why? Dont see town motivation here at all.

I'm not opposed to just lynching the least active player unless someone in play is actively scummy. At least in the first round, since that is the round that is both the easiest to float through and the one that leaves the most data to go through after a lynch.

EW! He's new tho so
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HUH Tchill saw the same thing i did about emp. +1 for him.

Cant read Mulch whatsoever, feels almost like Twoface, who i think is town

Taco is doing exactly what i would expect from Town-Taco. Like EXACT. Im not gonna let that WIFOM me out, though, but I still got my eye on you for the future.

Vedith your avatar is pissing me off lol. so distracting

On Day 1 we'd get more information from another lynch but if that continues from those slots if they're town scum will want to take them to the end so yes they should be lynched eventually. I'd just like to get as much information as possible from the 1st day and night phases.

Hey, if they're not doing anything now, we should pressure one.
I'm going to push one of them, which one, Boonskiies or Fykus?

VOTE: Fykus

Boonskies gave a read list but I don't think Fykus has even done that.

I'd be alright with voting Fykus, just look at the VC, I've got two players with me on Branson and neither of them post that often or enough to really read them, so especially with Fykus being third I'm starting to wonder about Branson. VOTE: Fykus

This series just feels off to me, not sure why.
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OI

I actually really don't get the Fykus votes. Sure, he hasn't done much, but you guys don't seem to be lynching for pressure; you seem to be actually okay with lynching a completely null slot. Why? It's Day 1. Null slot lynches are policy lynching, and we have no reason to throw down a policy lynch when there are actual cases on people.

Then who should we lynch over null slots? Who's the cases other than carcalilly?

After voting Emp for the post i quoted way up top, which is basically the same damn thing. This gets my vote.

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And the hits keep comin

VOTE: Carcalilly

Well boonskies I was gonna talk about empiricus a little then dunkerdoodles buuuut there's a wagon on me at the moment so I'll just put my vote on who I actually believe is scum.

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Taco, why are you off Tchill?

Ah i see, Mulch. Im gonna go back and look at mulch again, one sec

[Klazam]

Mulch- Direct question- when you say Wolfy, you mean scummy, or what exactly?

[Klazam]

Just ripped through Mulch's ISO, my eyes are burning, I dont have the logic to explain but my gut is saying that this is town straight up. so take that as you will.

[Klazam]

Alright, Taco, are you not scumreading Tchill anymore or are you waiting for your thor post?

[Klazam]

You make my brain hurt.

[Klazam]

My gut is hilariously inaccurate though.

[Klazam]

Klazam utilized EXACTLY what I was talking about here to prove to himself I was town. It's that nitty gritty, in your heart and gut, concious fucking FEELING you get when you know someone is town.

seriously though i just dont see scum making that post AT ALL

[Klazam]

Alright, Taco, are you not scumreading Tchill anymore or are you waiting for your thor post?

I just don't know about Tchill man. I just feel that Boon and/or Mulch could be scum.

What's making you feel nervous here?

[Klazam]

I don't trust Klazam for townreading him.

explain this please.

[Klazam]

Honestly mulch, youre insane.

can you link me to a previous game of yours, please?

[Klazam]

Nvm mulch

viewtopic.php?t=71796&f=53&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go scumgame iso of his. Night and Day difference from what im seeing here. skim it trivium.

[Klazam]

Mulch, tell me, are you high or on something? because your play is completely different from other games i skimmed your iso in.

[Klazam]

well, im going to sleep now, see what i can make of this in the morning.

[Klazam]

Carca- literally 2 posts before tchill's go town post was a post from boon saying it was a fake hammer

[Klazam]

You, actually. Why are you so impatient, willing to hammer the first near-accident wagon, while happily fencesitting on tvhill and mulch, setting up a lynch of mulch when tchill flips town?

[Klazam]

Near-lynch not near accident. My phone

[Klazam]

Yet you indicated a complete willingness to vote tchill for the hammer

[Klazam]

Then why did you want to hammer tchill last night,and not stick with your mulch feelings?

[Klazam]

Fine, I'll lynch Tchill. But I wanna hammer. I so wanna use that thor gif tho.

Dis post sounds maniuplative as hell to me, like you're on the fence but ugh doing it for my sake, so I can be blamed for the mislynch, man

[Klazam]

Then why did you want to hammer tchill last night,and not stick with your mulch feelings?

Honestly, have you actually READ the entire game?

I did, multiple times through both the thread itself and isos

[Klazam]

Fine, I'll lynch Tchill. But I wanna hammer. I so wanna use that thor gif tho.

Dis post sounds maniuplative as hell to me, like you're on the fence but ugh doing it for my sake, so I can be blamed for the mislynch, man

You know I can do better than that.

That isn't a manipulative post fyi. But you know i can do better than that when it comes to manipulative.

you also know that i'll be hyper-alert fro that shit from you. this reads to me that youre subtly pushing me to vote Tchill regardless of alignment.

Note the next few posts:

<3

Ok so if Tchill flips town we go after who?

The team I'm guessing is Boon, Mulch, and Vedith or Boon, Mulch, and Carcalilly.

Don't get me wrong Klazam, Tchill does look scummy to me, but Mulch looks scummier. So, I'm not sure if I should trust my scummy weighting scale or not.

Then why did you want to hammer tchill last night,and not stick with your mulch feelings?

Because he could be scum?

Im seeing a lot of dissonance from this.

Then why did you want to hammer tchill last night,and not stick with your mulch feelings?

Honestly, have you actually READ the entire game?

I did, multiple times through both the thread itself and isos

Whats ISO?

Gimme your reads list then and explain why you think the they earned the slots you put them in.

ISO= isolation = view that person's posts alone.

Lol @ reads list. right now, i'd say that its just Trivi, Twoface, Mulch at the top, for reasons i've given already, and Tchill as scum, but youre under Tchill at the moment. I dont generally give complete reads lists this early in the game- too much unknowns in play here.

Yes i was phoneposting, but i hopped on the computer just now.

PEDIT: Jesus fuck and here you go again, youre pushing the decision on the lynch on to me. Why do you think i am a good person to sheep?

Then why did you want to hammer tchill last night,and not stick with your mulch feelings?

Honestly, have you actually READ the entire game?

I did, multiple times through both the thread itself and isos

How about this, if you reread the game again, and quote posts of why I should vote for your choice of Mulch or Tchill, I'll sheep.

Also i did quote my tchill posts that i found scummy in my catchup post. why are you ignoring that now? feeling the pressure?

[Klazam]

oh also VOTE: Sergtacos Feel free to sheep that.

[Klazam]

I changed my mind. I'm happy to lynch Taco.

Based on?

[Klazam]

Honestly im feling extremely disappointed here with this game. i was hoping i'd be townreading you taco and we could form a nice little townbloc... why did you have to be scum, man.

[Klazam]

Here's my thoughts so far, theyre kinda out of order because im not gonna be reading the game linearly, im skipping around.
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I said I was VT. Good luck anyways town.

Dont like this post from Tchill. he KNEW it wasnt the hammer, and still made this post. why? Dont see town motivation here at all.

I'm not opposed to just lynching the least active player unless someone in play is actively scummy. At least in the first round, since that is the round that is both the easiest to float through and the one that leaves the most data to go through after a lynch.

EW! He's new tho so
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HUH Tchill saw the same thing i did about emp. +1 for him.

Cant read Mulch whatsoever, feels almost like Twoface, who i think is town

Taco is doing exactly what i would expect from Town-Taco. Like EXACT. Im not gonna let that WIFOM me out, though, but I still got my eye on you for the future.

Vedith your avatar is pissing me off lol. so distracting

On Day 1 we'd get more information from another lynch but if that continues from those slots if they're town scum will want to take them to the end so yes they should be lynched eventually. I'd just like to get as much information as possible from the 1st day and night phases.

Hey, if they're not doing anything now, we should pressure one.
I'm going to push one of them, which one, Boonskiies or Fykus?

VOTE: Fykus

Boonskies gave a read list but I don't think Fykus has even done that.

I'd be alright with voting Fykus, just look at the VC, I've got two players with me on Branson and neither of them post that often or enough to really read them, so especially with Fykus being third I'm starting to wonder about Branson. VOTE: Fykus

This series just feels off to me, not sure why.
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OI

I actually really don't get the Fykus votes. Sure, he hasn't done much, but you guys don't seem to be lynching for pressure; you seem to be actually okay with lynching a completely null slot. Why? It's Day 1. Null slot lynches are policy lynching, and we have no reason to throw down a policy lynch when there are actual cases on people.

Then who should we lynch over null slots? Who's the cases other than carcalilly?

After voting Emp for the post i quoted way up top, which is basically the same damn thing. This gets my vote.

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And the hits keep comin

VOTE: Carcalilly

Well boonskies I was gonna talk about empiricus a little then dunkerdoodles buuuut there's a wagon on me at the moment so I'll just put my vote on who I actually believe is scum.

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Taco, why are you off Tchill?

Ah i see, Mulch. Im gonna go back and look at mulch again, one sec

Taco, read this again...

[Klazam]

I changed my mind. I'm happy to lynch Taco.

Based on?

You think I'm scum because IDM hammering Tchill, Boon and Vedith thinks I'm scum because I voted for Tchill, then backed out.

So it isn't normal for a person to be unsure?

Oh I was born in unsureness, I live it, I breathe it.

Issue here is that your fencesitting posts reads to me as SCUM fencesitting "Oh, i am willing to do this BUT ITS NOT MY FAULT"

And i am judging you by IRL. Specifically that one game where you played me like a violin.


MULCH stop with the jedi feeling shit. they simply dont have enough posts to be read.

[Klazam]

Reason my vote is off Tchill? Because I was thinking there could be 2/3 or 3/3 scums voting on him and we could be blind. Dude, again, my unvote was because I was uncertain, trying to figure out, would they bus or would they push a lynch on a town.

They why are you willing to vote tchill now? if you think its a scumwagon.

[Klazam]

And i am judging you by IRL. Specifically that one game where you played me like a violin.

more context- you did everything right that game,acted exactly as i would expect town-you would do... WHICH IS THE SAME AS THIS GAME MAN

and stop discrediting me. You are a confusing person, but this time im comfortable with my read of you.

[Klazam]

Im also completely ignoring mulch at this moment.

[Klazam]

Fine, I'll lynch Tchill. But I wanna hammer. I so wanna use that thor gif tho.

Reason my vote is off Tchill? Because I was thinking there could be 2/3 or 3/3 scums voting on him and we could be blind. Dude, again, my unvote was because I was uncertain, trying to figure out, would they bus or would they push a lynch on a town.

They why are you willing to vote tchill now? if you think its a scumwagon.

I didnt say i was willing. Like i said, either bussing or mislynching

Eh?

And i am judging you by IRL. Specifically that one game where you played me like a violin.

more context- you did everything right that game,acted exactly as i would expect town-you would do... WHICH IS THE SAME AS THIS GAME MAN

and stop discrediting me. You are a confusing person, but this time im comfortable with my read of you.

Question, was i silly that game?

No, but you know i'd look for that this time, so you forced it.

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PEDIT, oh thats bullshit.

[Klazam]

(PEDIT = Preview edit, in as i saw your post, when i previewed mine and added more)

[Klazam]

HA HA YOU FAILURE OF A MOD THINKBIG

Modkill! Modkill!

[Klazam]

Fine, I'll lynch Tchill. But I wanna hammer. I so wanna use that thor gif tho.

Reason my vote is off Tchill? Because I was thinking there could be 2/3 or 3/3 scums voting on him and we could be blind. Dude, again, my unvote was because I was uncertain, trying to figure out, would they bus or would they push a lynch on a town.

They why are you willing to vote tchill now? if you think its a scumwagon.

I didnt say i was willing. Like i said, either bussing or mislynching

Eh?

address this

[Klazam]

Also

MOD how did the autovotecounter thing miss my sergtaco vote? i did it right?

[Klazam]

oh its because its not at the start of a line isnt it.

VOTE: Sergtacos

Youre conflicting yourself. You said you did not say you were willing to lynch Tchill, but you did say you were willing. thats what Eh means.

Also noting that your posting was getting more serious, but i showed up and youre back to joking.

[Klazam]

STOP USING LOGIC IT IS RELFECTIVE OF SKILL LEVEL NOT ALLIGNMENT

still ignoring.

[Klazam]

Fine, I'll lynch Tchill.

Ohhhh gotcha. I didn't say i was not willing, I said i was uncertain.

I'm back and forth dude. Its mood and personality. I've been joking when you were gone as well, you would know that if you actually REREAD THE GAME

See first quote. this is defintely "WILLING"

Also I did see you joking but your tone shifted to a more serious one over time.

PEDIT: I agree with Vedith, Taco's Doodle vote is random and comes from nowhere.

[Klazam]

HA HA MOD

You are forgetting something. I can delete posts. You can't!

[Klazam]

MOD Wait dude, did you seriously delete my real post.

No. I deleted my own post that was used to bump me to the top. Your post is now at the bottom of the last page

[Klazam]

Ok you didnt, still reposting cause is important.

Fine, I'll lynch Tchill.

Ohhhh gotcha. I didn't say i was not willing, I said i was uncertain.

I'm back and forth dude. Its mood and personality. I've been joking when you were gone as well, you would know that if you actually REREAD THE GAME

See first quote. this is defintely "WILLING"

Also I did see you joking but your tone shifted to a more serious one over time.

PEDIT: I agree with Vedith, Taco's Doodle vote is random and comes from nowhere.

[Klazam]

Reason my vote is off Tchill? Because I was thinking there could be 2/3 or 3/3 scums voting on him and we could be blind. Dude, again, my unvote was because I was uncertain, trying to figure out, would they bus or would they push a lynch on a town.

They why are you willing to vote tchill now? if you think its a scumwagon.

I didnt say i was willing. Like i said, either bussing or mislynching

Whats wrong with willing?

This contradiction right here my god.

[Klazam]

Carca- literally 2 posts before tchill's go town post was a post from boon saying it was a fake hammer

But Taco said it was a hammer and personally I got really confused and didn't know what was what so.......
And I'm not sure exactly what Tchill believed.

If you were confused, wouldnt you go and check?

[Klazam]

I'm voting Doodles because I'm following Mulch Jedi's senses. The Force is strong within this one.

also from "This is scum" to "ooh im sheeping, this one knows what he is doing"...

[Klazam]

dude. stop that shit. aint cool.

[Klazam]

*nails on chalkboard*

What the fuck is this

[Klazam]

[Klazam]

the apparent pros and cons to the town wincon.

explain

[Klazam]

Lets look at the progression of things over yesterday and today.

1) Tchill vote, I WANNA HAMMER
2) Backing away from that
3) names a Boon-mulch-vedith scumteam
4) Nah Tchill isnt scum
5) I still want to hammer tchill
6) calls Mulch incredibly scummy
7) sheeps mulch with no content on dunk
8) Mulch is good cause he a jedi
9) Klazam joke here, can be ignored
10) Still torn between mulch/tchill
11) votes tchill.

we're talking like a 24 hour period here, guys. If you think im misrepping, i can pull up 11 quotes, but i think that theres enough walls and quotes will not be as readable as the above list.

PEDIT: thanks Carca, i see what youre talking about, then.

[Klazam]

that helps none, bro

[Klazam]

i believe so.

[Klazam]

If I flip scum, I'd be gladly to order you rootbeer from walmart or somewhere and have it ship to you. Dead serious, you have my promise on that. BUT sadly, you won't be getting that rootbeer, because I'm town. Should've made a deal saying if im town i'll get you rootbeer.

Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, "trust tells", alliances, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.

I know you dont know this, but dont do that.

[Klazam]

For some reason Klazam, I feel that you aren't as invested in this game of trying to find ACTUAL scums at the same level of investment I have in this game. Step up bro.

Oh i found scum. Just trying to nail you to the wall.

[Klazam]

If I flip scum, I'd be gladly to order you rootbeer from walmart or somewhere and have it ship to you. Dead serious, you have my promise on that. BUT sadly, you won't be getting that rootbeer, because I'm town. Should've made a deal saying if im town i'll get you rootbeer.

Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, "trust tells", alliances, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.

I know you dont know this, but dont do that.

Oh..... but problem with this though is HOW can you still determine I'm town or scum from my "promise" of rootbeer or whatever?

So i'd take it im being replaced?

Cya. :/

Not alignment indicative at all i think, but still, dont bring outside influences in this, is all im saying. Its up to the mod, not me lol

[Klazam]

stepping away now btw. dont expect to see me until much later tonight.

[Klazam]

I know, I don't want him replaced or some shit for that rule when he doesn't know about it so I'm just warning him about it

[Klazam]

Dude the worst that will happen here is that you'll be warned not to do it again. Don't overreact.

[Klazam]

MOD

the vote count has 11 players, completely missing TwoFace and Branson somehow

[Klazam]

MOD

the vote count has 11 players, completely missing TwoFace and Branson somehow

Hey Klazam, unvote me.

Why should i?

[Klazam]

Ugh, youre making me feel extremely uncomfortable with my vote.

VOTE: Tchill

[Klazam]

I'm not sure how you all give me so many scum reads day 1.

I think the correct play is to just disregard taco and mulch here for today. take a look at Tchill, how do you feel about him?

[Klazam]

If you disregard taco's play completely, and base your read solely on tchill's play?

[Klazam]

If you disregard taco's play completely, and base your read solely on tchill's play?

Given you're voting with your top scum read.
You can also join the idiots of the scum pool.

This town is pretty ridicules.

He's only in there because of the fact i know him and thats making me overthink, honestly. If i was approaching this without knowing him, i think i'd have said he was town here.

[Klazam]

Well I've made my case there's not much left I can say. Klazam why are you voting with you're scum read? You literally have the 2nd best post in the game and you're going against it.

Becaue im also majorly scumreading you here. Theres elements to Taco's play that makes me think hes town, and my post? I'd say that's easily explained as impatient indecisive town- if you look at it from a Face to Face mentality, you wouldnt be surprised at his play.

[Klazam]

HUNVOTE:

[Klazam]

Ah well, was hoping for a hammer steal but NVM that.

VOTE: Tchill

[Klazam]

GOOD MORNING!

[Klazam]

I can see Trivium being scum with both the flipped scum.

I can see Trivium being scum with both the flipped scum.

The posts of tchill and cac really point to Trivium. He should be today's ultimate lynch but by all means let's explore options.

show me

i'll be looking back myself, too, but i wanna see your thoughts

[Klazam]

Well I've made my case there's not much left I can say. Klazam why are you voting with you're scum read? You literally have the 2nd best post in the game and you're going against it.

also i gotta post that. I feel so bad for Tchill, he was trying so hard, and the illogic brigade just comes in and demolishes him.

[Klazam]

IS THAT YOUR ALT? wow didnt realize. hallo!

[Klazam]

Mulch- vedith was not on tchill

Yeah...

I was really hoping I'd be able to hide it until I'm ready to switch over to this account full time.

[Klazam]

Is there anything sweeter than quickhammering scum day 1

according to the final votecount... I HAMMERED.

[Klazam]

To be fair to my ego, though, I only thought Tchill was scum because of wagonimics, not because he was scummy lol

i wanna know what exactly you mean by wagonimics

[Klazam]

No rush, man.we got plenty of time. I wanna read over carc/tchill interactions when I got the time

[Klazam]

nope

X. Setup Information
This game is mod confirmed to be 10 town vs. 3 mafia.

[Klazam]

Im not gonna post again til i go and read interactions, dont feel like it at the moment though.

[Klazam]

Psst, Vecna was the vigilante

he ded.

also twoface is town. Mulch im less sure about.

[Klazam]

VEDITH
wrong V-player, sorry >.>

[Klazam]

It ain't me, and I'm pretty sure isn't taco either.

[Klazam]

After I finish the season finale of BCS, I'm gonna head to my computer and start reading

[Klazam]

Hang on to that. I'm not thinking that dunk is scum due to his earlier posts today.

[Klazam]

Triv- Him or me in second place, then you suggest fykus. Why not go after me? Sounds like you're scared of making waves here.

[Klazam]

Also taco, are you just going with whatever people say here? You're echoing the most recent poster's scumreads here today. Reread and develop your own reads please.

[Klazam]

Right im done with my combined iso of Carca and tchill.

conclusions i draw from it:

Earlygame interactions with Carc strongly point Taco as town, and Tchill's panicvote of him near the end of the game shows me that, since he was already lowkey bussing carc at that time, dont see scum trying to bus twice at end game.

Twoface is town because Tchill proposes a 1v1 between him and carcalilly early on, not something i see scum doing to their mates.

Fykus is town because of both Carc and Tchill's combined attacks on him midway through the day- see posts 705 and 712- feels like this was set up via daytalk. (NOTE TO MYSELF- look at who else was pressuring Fyk at that time). Also, Carc has been primary-scumreading Fykus since.. forever.

Tchill jumps on Emp later on in the game for Emp's post about wanting a lurker lynch, while never mentioning Triv's similiar lurkerlynch post earlier in the game, this along with trvium being on the topish area of both Carc and Tchill's readslist seem to imply Triv could be a scumbuddy. Of note is that Carc has Emp on the top of her readslist, and defends emp several times throughout the game, which means i'd like a full explantion from taco of his very early comment on how he had a secret tell for emp- how are you feeling about this, taco?

Carc starts off reading Branson as town then laters shifts to scumreading him, while Tchill townreads him nearly the entire game.

Cant read much into Boon/carc interactions, the area below Boon's colorwheel seems interesting though (from Carc).

Carc soft-defends Dunk, Tchill doesnt mention dunk much in the way of scum or townreading him.

Alright, based on my read, the scumpool seems to be within Triv, emp(i want taco's read on this slot), and possibly dunk as a distant third.

TOWN:Me, Taco, 2Face, Fykus, Mulch
???: Branson, Boon
SCUM: Triv, Emp?, Dunk??

Thoughts?

(if youre wondering why im not voting yet, its because i really really would like scum to die in 3 phases, making a perfect town win)

[Klazam]

just checked out fykus stuff, no other players interact with him around the area where carc and tchill started pressuring him.

Mulch, jesus fuck, be useful as confirmed town ugh YOU HAVE A GREAT RESPONSIBLITY

[Klazam]

Oh, also Tchill and Carc was scumreading each other, this is why i think them both having triv at upper side for their reads list is notable here.

[Klazam]

also this post stands out to me, idk

Not crazy that trivium is defending sergtacos but his vote on Branson makes sense.

[Klazam]

i want to screenshot my notes here hah, i think this is the most work i've put in this game since forever.

[Klazam]

Boon- why me as a scumread? im curious.

Dude, man, you need to chill. we had 13 days to work this out. i want a perfect game.

[Klazam]

Triv, last readlist, reql quick please

[Klazam]

If i get shot, hang within Emp/Dunk plz thx

Boon, invesigate either me or in that group- Serg is taco

[Klazam]

LMAO THAT TYPO

SERG is TOWN.

[Klazam]

Also iwont miss you mulch, your hammer today disappoints me. you did the worst job of being a conftown i've ever seen.

[Klazam]

and for that reason, youre not dying tonight.

[Klazam]

Boon, invesigate either me or in that group- Serg is taco

aforementioned typo

[Klazam]

Missed that. I is sads.


Self voting as the last scum? a L-1 self vote... THINK, man.

[Klazam]

It wouldnt have, honestly, but mulch shouldve still chilled on this shit.

wait are you saying youre scum?

[Klazam]

no shit, but i wanted more time to SEE OTHER PEOPLE'S thoughts. espically on emp....

[Klazam]

Also iwont miss you mulch, your hammer today disappoints me. you did the worst job of being a conftown i've ever seen.

nah, most conf.town players play bad cause they feel like they don't have to do anything again. so he's par for the course.

and this is stupid and bad and disappointing. if youre conftown, USE YOUR STATUS, PLAY HARD. hmph

[Klazam]

"wee im conftown" "wee im conftown"

bullshit.

[Klazam]

Taco, get the fuck on and tell me about Emp please

[Klazam]

Actually it would be really smart for boon to do this to mulch in particular

And why?

cause youre useless.

[Klazam]

come at me.

[Klazam]

partially because mulch being conf town wouldn't really help us that much.

hence

mulch is useless.

im just pissed. i wanted more substance today.

[Klazam]

Holy hell. Fast night.

Also fykus is town.

Taco kill feels weird to me, espically after I tried to get him to tell me emp's tell, it actually feels as though someone wants emp to hang here.

Dunk can you go ahead and make that claim?

[Klazam]

Yes please

[Klazam]

I'm thinking Boon's mafia here honestly.

[Klazam]

I'm just feeling maniuplated right now. I'm not touching fykus, two-face, mulch at all, which leaves boon, Branson, dunk, emp here

[Klazam]

I don't want to lynch emp today after the taco kill, I'm feeling iffy on dunk because he seemed extremely eager to claim with much the same kind of tone triv had on D2, which leaves the two experienced players... Fk me.

[Klazam]

Looking at tchill wagon, I say it's Branson here who should claim first, actually.

[Klazam]

1 scum, 7 town, when is the ideal time for massclaim? later on, or now, to poe shit? i think now.

[Klazam]

fair enough.

no mass claim then.

[Klazam]

alright, whats your thoughts on people?

[Klazam]

Twoface, question here, do you agree or disagree with my assement of the game so far?

[Klazam]

I don't want to lynch emp today after the taco kill, I'm feeling iffy on dunk because he seemed extremely eager to claim with much the same kind of tone triv had on D2, which leaves the two experienced players... Fk me.

(experienced players = boon and branson)
twoface, mulch, fykus is town

^agree/disagree?

[Klazam]

I didn't die because Klazam planned on framing me. Like, it's blatantly obvious.

oh hell no. i want to play with serg, if i were scum, i had him firmly in my pocket as a town read of his. why would i kill him to attempt the "framing" of you?

[Klazam]

hm. Youre right. Boon, what are you thinking, related to branson?

Mulch, why emp now?

[Klazam]

Also, Sergtacos died. There is no reason for me as Scum to kill one of my mislynches here. There is no reason as scum, for me to keep Mulch alive. Like, there just isn't.

Mulch has been a boon to scum so far, so i think theres a clear benefit to leaving mulch alive here.

[Klazam]

I want to see some other people put in some effort and see if they can come up with a convincing argument.

I did yesterday and was wrong on my trivium lean.

[Klazam]

A big thing for Klazam was the fact he said he ain't touching TwoFace and Fykus. Also on the Trivium wagon was Serg, Mulch, and Trivium himself, all conf/flipped town. This leaves Empiricus on that wagon. I'll go Empiricus toDay, and if I don't get a mafia read target toNight, you can lynch me tomorrow if I'm not dead. We'll have 2 conf townies that way. (if I get a mafia read, we can just lynch that tomorrow, because if I'm lying I'd get caught with his flip too.)

If I'm mafia, there's no way I could win this, so just please let go of that paranoia for now.

wait, youre not a oneshot cop? who were your target this night?

And Ank is Branson's main

[Klazam]

Also on the Trivium wagon was Serg, Mulch, and Trivium himself, all conf/flipped town. This leaves Empiricus on that wagon.

i like this point here, but how do you reconcile scumemp with the serg kill, given my first few posts this day?

[Klazam]

hm. Youre right. Boon, what are you thinking, related to branson?

Mulch, why emp now?

I think Branson's town. The way he was on Carca doesn't seem like SvS to me.

ill go back and look at that

also Mulch, reasonings please

[Klazam]

mafia odd-night roleblocker

your claim makes a lot more sense now.

alright ill go on emp today, then.

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Mulch, and me? youre wrong on me, and i would like the opportunity to refute your scumread of me.

[Klazam]

hm. Youre right. Boon, what are you thinking, related to branson?

Mulch, why emp now?

I think Branson's town. The way he was on Carca doesn't seem like SvS to me.

ill go back and look at that

also Mulch, reasonings please

Look at my interactions with Tchill too, and tell me if you think that's SvS.

will do

[Klazam]

Alright i see both points.

Anyone got anything else to add?

[Klazam]

can you give me an example of partial claim in town game, tho boon? i dont know your play all that well

[Klazam]

(which is why im NOT voting. dont wanna cut day short thanks to a trigger happy bunny or w/e he is)

[Klazam]

Ill be posting this afternoon after work i hope, have been busy irl the last few days so i apologise. Ill keep an eye on the game at work incase anything needs to happen fast or whatever. Willing to trust boons gut on this today but id like to express my own views first

Sounds good.

[Klazam]

Alright, skimmed the other game, im gonna say boon's town here, yeah.

[Klazam]

I mean that just sounded scummy fromFykus but what do I know lol

trust me, hes town.

[Klazam]

I mean that just sounded scummy fromFykus but what do I know lol

eh, Tchill starting the wagon on Fykus, and then legit trying to keep it there makes me want to put Fykus as town. They were trying to get Fykus lynched to save Carca. If Fykus was scum, Tchill could have fabricated actual reasons for why Fykus was scum.

this, basically

[Klazam]

So, does anyone have any HESITATIONS for quicklynching Empiricus rn?

i wanna hear from fykus and dunk first

[Klazam]

Sure, sure. Klazam, do you really dislike my playstyle that much lol

yes i do.

[Klazam]

this is fine by me

[Klazam]

emp vote was linked with his willingness to vote lurkers, or that's what i recall

[Klazam]

Ooo

[Klazam]

Unvote emp guys.

[Klazam]

Too tired to parse, will pick up tomorrow

[Klazam]

Gunsmith+2cop/vig kinda makes sense here doesn't it.

[Klazam]

02. Klazam

04. Boonskiies

05. TwoFace

06. Empiricus

07. Mulch

10. Fykus

11. Branson

13. Dunkerdoodles

Green= high chance town
Blue= Needs to be sorted
REd= High chance scum

Emp is conftown now, one of the cop claims claimed inno on that slot i think

[Klazam]

Ok, so I'm a 3-shot vanilla cop.

n1: taco - vanilla - chose him because he was the counterwagon on day 1.
n2: emp - vanilla - after trivium flipped town I figured this would probably be the next reasonable lynch candidate.

1 shot left. open to suggestions

[Klazam]

right then, i 110% believe dunk's claim here.

gonna say its fykus/branson.

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Uh? its not "vanilla goon" its "mafia goon"

and how did the mod confirm the last scum is a mafia goon?

[Klazam]

Interactions early on, makes me say its branson due to the fykus gang-up by both tchill and carc. disagree with this concept?

[Klazam]

Wait wait, That isnt a normal cop claim. I didnt realize that.

What exactly is a vanilla cop?

[Klazam]

okay, gunsmith, vanilla cop, oddnight cop makes hell of a lot more sense than 2x cop.

its Branson/emp here.

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mulch, no fucking way are you using flavor to confirm. TB is a better mod than that.

[Klazam]

Well...would he really be thinking subconciously in our minds that we thought he was a mafia goon unless he was a mafia goon?

its standard practice to refer to everyone as goons and townies isnt it? no breakign setup that way

[Klazam]

There you go!

[Klazam]

I want fykus to answer that directly.

[Klazam]

still need to sort out klazam and branson but fykus is probably the last scum so i don't feel motivated to do that right now.

what about Emp here?

[Klazam]

No, there isn't a way.

Why are you voting your investigation target here.

[Klazam]

Also, do you(general you) think it's likely that we have only one limited roleblocker as a scum power role here?

[Klazam]

i understand the essence of your plan

not parsing that last sentence though.

[Klazam]

tbh i dont know where to go from here. I agree with Emp being town, because i find it unlikely that theres only a limited roleblocker on the mafia's side here.

Dunk being a mafia gunsmith seems possible, didnt consider that, and it would explain his eagerness to claim because its a solid fakeclaim here. would also mean he only has to kill you(boon) to be safe from investigations because Fykus(who is town) wouldnt be able to return an actual guilty on him.

His "plan" that he put forth is a solid route to victory for scumdunk also.

Twoface, i know its unlikely, but unlikely is not impossible here.

So- Dunk, Branson, scum has to be in one of those. IF you guys want to hang me, thats fine by me, if you also hang those two.

Also, Boon being counterbalanced by the odd night roleblocker makes perfect sense to me, so boon is town.

Boon, Emp, Mulch, Fykus, Twoface being all town, leaves me, dunk, branson. and im pretty sure we have 3 lynches ahead of us, so im perfectly fine with that going down.

[Klazam]

boon, consider the scum odd night roleblocker, it goes with your role nicely.