Mini Normal 1919: Endgame

[TwoFace]

Good morning. Literally

[TwoFace]

That's weird as hell, I've never heard anyone say that to start

VOTE: Twoface

How many games have you played that started in the actual morning?

[TwoFace]

Cause it's stupid for it to be weird to you especially since this started in the actual morning.

[TwoFace]

not really. if somebody is in a time zone that isn't morning right now they could logically deduce that I am in a time zone where it was. If they somehow weren't able to do that, they could ask me what time zone I was in.

my opinion stands, it was stupid for him to find my statement weird so that's one strike against him

[TwoFace]

I am not going to continue this conversation after this post.

I literally just explained why it was stupid to think it was weird. and because of emp's question I explained why somebody in a different time zone shouldn't think it was weird. there is literally no logical explanation for anyone to think my opening post is weird, yet you have said you found it weird. So since you have no logical reason for thinking that, you get a strike against you.

there is nothing weird about saying good morning in the morning. do you go to work/school/whatever and think people are weird for saying that? no probably not so there is no reason to think it is weird here.

[TwoFace]

And @Twoface,
Is that a strike... For what? For pressure, or is that a "this is scummy" strike? Do you have legitimate suspicion on Mulch?

scummy strike

[TwoFace]

And @Twoface,
Is that a strike... For what? For pressure, or is that a "this is scummy" strike? Do you have legitimate suspicion on Mulch?

scummy strike

Would you care to explain how this makes them more likely to be scum in your eyes?

I never said it makes him more likely to be scum though. I just found what he did to be scummy and if he does enough scummy things then he will be more likely to be scum.

my scum reads are almost always based off a scummy body of work.

[TwoFace]

VOTE: TwoFace For being weird.

lol. I'm the only normal one here so far.

[TwoFace]

I'm actually sort of serious about my TwoFace vote. He made the time thing weird, and it stood out.

NO i didn't make anything weird. The only one who made the time thing weird was the person who found it weird for someone to say good morning.

Strike for you

[TwoFace]

wall incoming

please no walls

[TwoFace]

How do I know if you're not saying this to look like you're town?

I find it funny you say this, that is sort of how he reads to me right now

[TwoFace]

but people don't read them. I certainly don't

[TwoFace]

yeah my gut read on carc seems to be headed in the right direction

[TwoFace]

But hey, my vote still stays on Klazam. He's scum, PERIOD. You scum buddy scummy scum you xD

now people say I scum read people for bad reasons sometimes but he has literally only made one post so I am calling a flag on the play.

[TwoFace]

Stop

collaborate and listen

[TwoFace]

Stop

collaborate and listen

Who stop? What, where do you see this? I only see vote counts and why isn't my vote on Klazam?

the mod typed stop so he could grab the page top. he later edited in his vote count

[TwoFace]

Not sure why taco and twoface imply carcalilly seems scummy then doesn't vote them. That's seems odd to me.

scummy doesn't mean scum though. Right now I have 3 players I think are scummy but neither of them have done enough to make me think they are scum yet. (read 54 for a better understanding about how I work)

[TwoFace]

Twoface is the only other one I'm concerned with

and why is that exactly?

[TwoFace]

Twoface your overreaction on mulch wasn't enough to out right scum read you but it's worth keeping in mind.

damn you know what I hate more than anything? liars. there was no overreaction by me. my reaction was calm, rational and most important completely justified.

VOTE: tchill

[TwoFace]

There was no omgus vote. That's 2 liars. Damn wish I had 2 votes.

And there is no such thing as too defensive.

[TwoFace]

Found it. It was Twoface with the "scummy strike". Gut's pinging me on that. can wait, i have a tunnel to get to digging, though.

Sergtacos- Your scum read of me is based on what?

Calling somebody scummy is scummy? Cmon have you ever played before?

[TwoFace]

Am I in the newbie que by mistake?

[TwoFace]

its not that you called him scummy, its the manner in which you did.

Literally making no sense right now.

[TwoFace]

I like this for some reason.

Cause it's true.

[TwoFace]

Twoface your overreaction on mulch wasn't enough to out right scum read you but it's worth keeping in mind.

damn you know what I hate more than anything? liars. there was no overreaction by me. my reaction was calm, rational and most important completely justified.

VOTE: tchill

TwoFace voting Tchill for merely saying he overreacted.
There is such as thing as being too defensive. Town obviously also want to seem town so they don't get lynched, but scum are going to want that much more, so they get defensive over it. Scum also tend to try to say their actions were justified and try to rationalize the situation.

Everything about this post is wrong

[TwoFace]

look at my joindate. nope.

and youre being overly defensive.

There is no such thing as being overly defensive. Next?

[TwoFace]

Twoface: Top 3 scum and town?

My top scum reads ATM are the 2 who have blatantly lied. Town should never lie.

[TwoFace]

TwoFace trying to be defensive so hard.

I'm not trying to be anything actually

[TwoFace]

Being too defensive

Again. NO FUCKING SUCH THING.

[TwoFace]

Defensiveness is NAI

UNVOTE:


Worst possible thing ever, saying someone is defensive so they are scum

:thumbs up:

[TwoFace]

Being defensive in a jumpy way, and then saying "Am I in the newbie que" as a way to discredit people? No, it's not the worst thing in the world to scumread someone for that. Scum are much more likely to act like this, without a doubt.

He deserved to be discredited. Did you seriously see how bad his post was? Fucking terrible

[TwoFace]

explaining there's no such thing as too defensive. That's debatable.

No it's not. Like it at all.

There is literally no such thing as being too defensive. You are either defensive or you aren't. But it doesn't matter anyway cause being defensive isn't scummy nor is it alignment indicative. It's play style and nothing more.

[TwoFace]

he kept siding with me.

I sided with you multiple times?

[TwoFace]

The "newbie que" remark wasn't about defensiveness if I remember

No it wasn't but I'll say that anyone who thinks defensiveness is scummy probably should go play there until they learn otherwise.

[TwoFace]

This game is a total headache. I sense this game has all the jack of trades have trust issues to the max xD

Buckle in. It's going to get worse especially if people don't drop this stupid defensive bullshit

[TwoFace]

TwoFace trying to be defensive so hard.

I'm not trying to be anything actually

I laughed audibly.

Why is the truth funny to you?

[TwoFace]

Jesus fuck two face-to-face you have to fucking scumhunt here, not just defend yourself and say nothing else

You don't get to tell others how to play. Certainly not me especially when I've already caught one scum possibly two and am voting one of them right now.

The moment you said I was scummy for saying somebody else wa scummy you pretty much lost all credibility with me.

Worry about what you're doing and not what I'm doing. I'm a big boy.

[TwoFace]

2face, you said someone lied, who?

Don't be lazy man.

[TwoFace]

I agree EXCEPT for rvs. It's random. You should know the votes you get on you are random.

Who was this directed at?

[TwoFace]

Either way two-face hasn't scum hunted at all.

Another lie

[TwoFace]

But isn't mafia all about worrying about what everyone else is doing? ^

It shouldn't be. It should be about finding scum. I think I've found 2 already so clearly I'm doing my job

[TwoFace]

What's the difference between me and klazam two face and why did I get the vote? Just because I was first?

You blatantly lied about me. Lying is confirmed scum in my book. You were the first so yes you got voted first.

[TwoFace]

Also this rubs me the wrong way, but maybe that's just because I have thin skin or something. You really should leave som room for if you're wrong, because if you are and get a better scum tell later you might want to convince others that you are right. You are not going to do that by alienating folks by writing them off before 24 hours into day one of this game.

This is good advice. Something people tell me over and over again. Maybe I'll listen one day. Maybe it'll be this game but for right now I like my vote. If these people somehow redeem themselves I'll back off but I have a very low tolerance for lying. I don't lie as town and as scum I do it as little as possible. It's the way I was raised I guess.

I don't see why a town player would say something about me that is blatantly false.

Like my stuff later in the game people can clearly make the argument that I'm being defensive (though correcting people who are saying false statements imo isn't being defensive. It's correcting their mistakes) but no way can anyone sit there and honestly say that I was defensive with regards to the whole morning conversation.

The person who deserved scrutiny in that exchange is mulch. It's normal behavior to say good morning in the morning. It's abnormal behavior to think somebody is strange for saying good morning in the morning. It's even worse to say it's "weird as hell" which is what he did. Now if it's not morning in your time zone, that's fine but it's still not weird and it certainly isn't "weird as hell"

[TwoFace]

I was talking about defensiveness two-face. I'm not going to talk about it anymore.

You mean the defensiveness that you lied about? Yeah it's best if you move on from it.

[TwoFace]

2face: i just iso'd you. its literally consisting of you attacking people for expressing suspicion of you. 100%. you call people liars for trying to read you- the first one because that person said you overreacted- which you did- then the second because you placed a omgus vote- WHICH YOU DID, IN ESSENCE.

Then your ad hom attacks on me. <sergtaco: ad hom = ad hominem = attacking the person instead of addressing the arugement, which is what he did by insinuating im bad enough at this game and i need to go play newbs>

Oh, while you did that, you also tried to say that i thought you were scummy BECAUSE you called someone scummy? FALSE. I said its the manner in which you did so.

you okay, bud?

Look I'm simple. If people say things that aren't true I'm going to call them out on it. If they say things about me tat aren't true I'm going to do it even harder.

The people that I found suspicious all deserved that suspicion.

Moving on. The people who I called liars ACTUALLY lied. So they deserve to be called liars

Anyone who says I overreacted early on is a straight up liar cause it didn't happen and I've explained that now in detail. I reacted logically to an illogical response.

I didn't place an omgus vote either. I voted a person who did the unforgiving act of lying.

Please if you're going to deal with me. Please get your facts straight.

On to the ad-hom attacks. You said I was suspicious because I called somebody out as suspicious.

I'm sorry if that hurt your feelings or whatever but no player with actual experience should find that suspicious. The point of this game is to find scum and to do that you have to call people scummy.

There was nothing wrong with the manner I did it either but clearly you are entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is.

Don't worry about how I'm doing. It's none of your business how I am.

I'll say this. If you are town. Step up your game cause you are weak right now. You are finding things suspicious that aren't suspicious.

[TwoFace]

UNVOTE:

nah this is town. bad town but town.

ill reread later and decide who to go after.

Stop right there. People who lie don't get to accuse others of being bad. Plus I'm not bad.

I may have a bad game once in a while especially when townies do stupid things to distract me from finding the real scum but I'm definitely not bad.

If you/tchill/mulch/that dude with a C are all town, y'all will infuriate me so much.

[TwoFace]

@emp. Having trouble just isolating your post so I'll just respond here.

My issue is with regards to the early part of the game. There was just a simple conversation. I made a comment. Mulch made a comment that didn't really make sense to me (and tbh I don't know it made sense to anyone else) and I responded back explaining and so in and so forth.

That by definition is a conversation between 2 people. There was no defensiveness nor overreacting.

If you don't like something somebody does don't just cast shade on it with a lame buzz word like it means something. It makes you sound more intelligent when you actually explain why you don't like something. Like what I did with mulch.

Explaining myself so my thought process isn't being defensive. Anyone who says it is, I don't trust them or their opinions.

People need to stop adding "over" to things also. A person is defensive and/or reactive. There is no such thing as being overly defensive or too defensive or over reacting and neither of those things are alignment indicative.


If you don't like how someone is acting say so and explain why using words. Much like I did when I explained why I didn't like mulch's posts.

[TwoFace]

Explaining myself so my thought process is transparent isn't being defensive. Anyone who says it is, I don't trust them or their opinions.

Fixed

[TwoFace]

The game hasn't even been open for 12 hours and we are at 15 pages. Most of it is basically useless at this point. It's way too early to talk about people being inactive.

I'm talking a break.

[TwoFace]

That was in response to your post to me. About difference of opinions and what not. People just label my posts with different buzz words in an attempt to cast shade on me.

I explained why I found mulch's post scummy and it gets shaded as defensiveness or whatever. I've never heard anyone calling a logical explanation of something as defensive. That's why I felt it was a lie instead of a difference of opinion.

Lots of people tossed that word around unfairly imo.

Those people I seriously doubt are town because they would rather hide behind those words (which imo are usually used by scum more so than town anyway) instead of taking the time to explain what's actually wrong or scummy with them.

[TwoFace]

TwoFace- Defended like crazy over a RVS? Still trying to be defensive.

Please show where I "defended like crazy over rvs" please.

[TwoFace]

2face, you said someone lied, who?

Don't be lazy man.

^

Im not being lazy. I'm already on record explaining how it never happened and you've ignored that and say it did.

Plus if we are going to get technical. Rvs ended the moment mulch voted me for an in game reason.

[TwoFace]

I better walk away I'm already on thin ice for my language and calling people names and I'm supposed to be playing better. I'll just ignore those who are now just intentionally pushing buttons

[TwoFace]

Never

[TwoFace]

Go play your PlayStation or something

[TwoFace]

Twoface your overreaction on mulch wasn't enough to out right scum read you but it's worth keeping in mind.

damn you know what I hate more than anything? liars. there was no overreaction by me. my reaction was calm, rational and most important completely justified.

VOTE: tchill

[TwoFace]

I don't think your play style matters. Do you have any scum reads? If yes who?

[TwoFace]

Just a heads up. Having surgery tomorrow so possibly could be inactive for the next day or so depending how I feel.

[TwoFace]

doubt anyone on here loves me but thanks.

[TwoFace]

UNVOTE:

[TwoFace]

he seems to be trying to appear active without actually scumhunting

I really hate when people say this. Just cause I'm not scum hunting in a way you are used to doesn't mean I'm not scum hunting.

On one hand I like that I'm playing with people who don't know me or my style of play but on the other it gets really annoying sometimes cause people say things about me that just aren't true and my personality requires me to correct them.

[TwoFace]

You don't need to respond to everything I say lol

Not everything you/or others say but I do have to respond to everything that involves me. Especially if it's untrue things.

[TwoFace]

Wrong, that's a valid point

Huh?

[TwoFace]

Anyway sleep is calling. Got a long day tomorrow

[TwoFace]

But I've been scum hunting

[TwoFace]

Just cause I'm not scum hunting in a way you are used to doesn't mean I'm not scum hunting.

[TwoFace]

I'm not a huge fan of extra long day 1' s. While the longer the day the better chances of catching scum... It's still the least amount of information we have. I try not to argue against the length too much because it does help catch scum and I'm not going to argue against something that helps catch scum.

Is isn't true at all btw. Longer Day 1st don't improve town's chances at lynching scum. If anything in my experience shorter days do. Longer days people are bored and become apathetic and concede with whoever has the most votes.

[TwoFace]

As annoying as he is I'm pretty sure Taco is town and I can't remember who posted it but and I certainly know nobody will believe me cause I'm not even 100% sure myself but I think one scum already sort of slipped and pained taco as town. Once I find that post that's probably who I'm going to vote.

[TwoFace]

especially the way he flip flops constantly (see above lol)

This is actually more of a town tell. Scum are going to try and be more consistent.

[TwoFace]

classic OMGUS, btw. Didn't even have me on his reads list, but immediately after I put pressure on him he does this.

People really need to stop with omgus accusations like thy actually mean something. They aren't AI so it's pointless

[TwoFace]

Tchill giving me WOLFY vibes

Definitely thinking he's scum.

[TwoFace]

No. You used that to cast shade on him.

[TwoFace]

VOTE: Carcalilly

[TwoFace]

VOTE: Carcalilly

Reason?

cause I think he is scum obviously

[TwoFace]

His scum read on me seems consistent but I couldn't find a reason why in any of his posts...

early on I had a gut feeling on you, taco later summed it up perfectly and I agreed with him. You try to seem town and it doesn't feel natural. then you made your huge "case" and dropped a vote and the entire thing seemed forced and the reasons haven't been very good. I don't like the way you are dancing around this taco pressure. It feels to me like you know he is going to flip town. I think the straw that broke the camel's back was when you said there would only be a con to lynching taco if he was some sort of PR. Losing any townie is a con. Losing an active member of the game is a HUGE con. Even if he does spam post a lot that doesn't mean he is detrimental to the game.

[TwoFace]

You're still scum to me

[TwoFace]

I checked out that last game. i did notice he was a cop in that game which for most people has a huge effect on how they play the game. Most people will play differently when they are a cop.

[TwoFace]

I wouldn't say it is hard core scum hunting. It's merely fact checking.

[TwoFace]

I guess

[TwoFace]

But earlier you said while it wasn't worth a full blown scum read it's enough to make you keep an eye on me. Why the change in mentality?

[TwoFace]

Btw I feel mulch is trying to pocket me

[TwoFace]

I guess I retract my limited presence. My surgery went easier than expected and I'm in no pain

[TwoFace]

not a fan of mulch but idk if I have a strong enough read on him to call him scum. I need to sit down and iso some people, starting with the people I do scumread

[TwoFace]

ok...

[TwoFace]

I do sort of agree that you need to dial back the uesless posts

[TwoFace]

I agree with you. If your bored make a case on your biggest scumread.

[TwoFace]

That doesn't help

[TwoFace]

aight, y'all. I can make a big catch up post tomorrow!!! But for now, Branson, Dunkerdoodles, and Empiricus are the scum team. Bet on it.

the 3 of those are kind of null for me so i'd love it if you explained.

[TwoFace]

Whew that's a relief. Welcome

[TwoFace]

Who is chilly?

[TwoFace]

Oh he's definitely not town for me

[TwoFace]

Why?

Well he started off lying about me. He's done nothing of value in the middle and finished it off with some buddying

[TwoFace]

Do you townread Tchill already or something? ^

Me and Chilly are best friends.

That isn't a good enough reason town read somebody and technically against site rules. But hey they don't enforce them anyway so I guess carry on

[TwoFace]

His scum read on me seems consistent but I couldn't find a reason why in any of his posts...

early on I had a gut feeling on you, taco later summed it up perfectly and I agreed with him. You try to seem town and it doesn't feel natural. then you made your huge "case" and dropped a vote and the entire thing seemed forced and the reasons haven't been very good. I don't like the way you are dancing around this taco pressure. It feels to me like you know he is going to flip town. I think the straw that broke the camel's back was when you said there would only be a con to lynching taco if he was some sort of PR. Losing any townie is a con. Losing an active member of the game is a HUGE con. Even if he does spam post a lot that doesn't mean he is detrimental to the game.

carcalilly is who I want to lynch today though.

[TwoFace]

I just quoted my reasons for him

[TwoFace]

Oh, so you think that Carcalilly is just lying. Why though?
Only gut?

My case on carcalilly wasn't about him lying

[TwoFace]

My apologies. I'll try to remember

[TwoFace]

What the fuck guys. Do you not go outside on the weekend? Like 25 new pages...

Don't have time to read that today. I'll catch up tomorrow I guess

[TwoFace]

Historically this game is not the usual weekend activity. This is an outlier lol

[TwoFace]

But with you and taco it should have been expected

[TwoFace]

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Unofficial Vote Count

Tchill13

(4): Boonskiies, Fykus, Empiricus, Sergtacos

Carcalilly

(3): Branson, TwoFace, Tchill13

TwoFace

(2): Vedith, Carcalilly

Sergtacos

(2): Dunkerdoodles, Klazam

Mulch

(1): Trivium

Dunkerdoodles

(1): Mulch

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-06-26 08:12:47)

[TwoFace]

Damn. 2 for 2.

VOTE: trivium

[TwoFace]

Pretty sure Trivium is last scum

[TwoFace]

I can see Trivium being scum with both the flipped scum.

The posts of tchill and cac really point to Trivium. He should be today's ultimate lynch but by all means let's explore options.

[TwoFace]

I can see Trivium being scum with both the flipped scum.

I can see Trivium being scum with both the flipped scum.

The posts of tchill and cac really point to Trivium. He should be today's ultimate lynch but by all means let's explore options.

show me

i'll be looking back myself, too, but i wanna see your thoughts

It'll have to be tomorrow. But yeah check yourself. It's there.

[TwoFace]

@tb these damn YouTube videos make me iso'ing you impossible on my phone for some reason. Ugh

[TwoFace]

Mulch. Thoughts on trivium. I'm 2/2 also and really think he's the 3rd

[TwoFace]

Why him? I honestly don't remember him so will have to iso him.

[TwoFace]

So I'm the only one from start to finish who thought both scum were scum. Damn daughter's basketball tournament lol

[TwoFace]

Dunker's posts he town read both scum. Now to iso them and see what they said.

TBH we have at least 2 mislynches but I'd rather end the game with a lynch this day phase.

[TwoFace]

I could make an argument for either of them actually lol
Let me dig into them both more tomorrow on a computer.

[TwoFace]

...

Who dis?

Branson.

[TwoFace]

Mulch, your force was strong day 1.

What about my force? I called both scum before anyone else

[TwoFace]

Mulch, your force was strong day 1.

What about my force? I called both scum before anyone else

Uhh...I'm putting a halt on your ego as much as I am doing for mine, lol. You always scumread a shitton of people...including me.

Scum reading is one thing. Voting is another. My 2 votes were both on scum

[TwoFace]

Btw your entrance and reaction to me saying good morning still doesn't make sense to me. Who gets weirded out by saying good morning? Lol

[TwoFace]

In the end it doesn't matter. I'm good with either your guy or my guy. Let's hear what others have to say

[TwoFace]

Alright it seems like I'm being scum read, should I hardclaim to save time?

Why not try to convince us you aren't scum first? Tell us who you think is scum or something

[TwoFace]

Unless you are giving up. At this point there is no shame in waiving the white flag

[TwoFace]

Yeah I think he's a good lynch but I'm in no rush. If I can only vote scum the entire game I can retire

[TwoFace]

Doing some reading of the pages I missed and I don't think mulch deserves super strong town cred. He was still trying to get a doodle wagon over tchill.

Also tchill possibly slipped when he accused mulch of bussing and corrected it to sheeping.

Was mulch strongly pushing either scum? I don't think he was

[TwoFace]

Hammering scum who's going to get lynched anyway doesn't earn you towncred when a few posts before you post this.

Well I've made my case there's not much left I can say. Klazam why are you voting with you're scum read? You literally have the 2nd best post in the game and you're going against it.

Would you vote Dunkerdoodles with me?

[TwoFace]

Hey I'm just posting things that stand out. You pushing for his quick lynch when he seems to have been under pressure for a lot of pages could have been a sacrifice. Especially since you were trying to divert attention multiple times to others.

Nobody is going to lynch you today but it doesnt mean you are excluded from being looked at

[TwoFace]

I consider all possibilities and while it's probably unlikely I can actually see how you could be scum. Why get so defensive about it .

Like I said you aren't getting lynched but I'm not going to keep my thoughts to myself.

[TwoFace]

Yes I could be scum. I'm not but you are certainly entitled to examine the possibility.

[TwoFace]

Good. Nobody should ever be written off as 100% clear unless a Pr has cleared them or they at somehow mod confirmed.

I just got to that part where tchill said buss instead of sheep and i thought "man that would be funny if it was a scum slip" and then I kept reading and saw the weird attempt to get off the wagon and the over excited hammer.

[TwoFace]

Yes that was awesome. I've seen scum hammer their buddies before. I've hammered my scum buddies before.

[TwoFace]

Yes that was awesome. I've seen scum hammer their buddies before. I've hammered my scum buddies before.

And pushed for their quicklynch? uh-huh

When it's inevitable? Absolutely

[TwoFace]

You act like you don't know this is a game where scum have to manipulate town.

[TwoFace]

There COULD be 4 mafia

No there can't be actually

[TwoFace]

Hey 2face, who do you think is scum?

Right now I'm voting who on the surface looks like scum. I think the interactions point to him. I am making my way through the pages I missed though and saw a weird interaction that I've since called out but don't think it's worth acting on yet.

[TwoFace]

There COULD be 4 mafia

No there can't be actually

Scumslip?

[TwoFace]

Also scum had Day talk. Which definitely plays a factor into actions and reactions.

[TwoFace]

Everyone is possibly scum still. Thanks captain obvious.

[TwoFace]

Even you.

[TwoFace]

good night

UNVOTE:

INTENT TO HAMMER ONCE SOMEONE ELSE VOTES

unless there is a chance of a DunkerDoodles lynch

[TwoFace]

And stop it guys, nobody in here is legit confirmed town unless someone is a cop and investigated.

this

that said.

taco, Mulch, myself, and boon shouldn't be getting lynched today. There are others we need to pressure and look into.

[TwoFace]

assuming you are legit, why mulch?

[TwoFace]

so I still think trivium is the best lynch today

[TwoFace]

No a cop doesn't investigate their top scum read.

[TwoFace]

assuming you are legit, why mulch?

He's legit, TwoFace, please. I don't want to speak for boon, but mulch was a particularly hard read for myself, and also someone who wasn't likely to die last night.

So I'll just wait for boon...

[TwoFace]

I think we should lynch you, branson, or klazam.

since we have plenty of time, instead of just tossing out 3 names figure out which one of these 3 make the most sense as scum with the 2 dead scum.

[TwoFace]

well that's not the proper use of the role but yeah each person is entitled to use it how they wish.

ideally you want to investigate null reads or people hiding in the shadows. That is how I used it and caught scum.

[TwoFace]

Now as I think of it, I think Boon is telling the truth about him being cop because who on earth would reveal being cop on D2. I mean usually don't hey hard claim late game?

yeah I mean he is most likely telling the truth because with only 1 scum left claiming cop now is just stupid as a fake claim but I am always skeptical and nothing is 100% until flipped

[TwoFace]

ok Trivium came to tchill's defense early on

761 - calls carc town but his reason for it is extremely weak. in this post he basically is scum reading people who are voting people names tchill and carc

913 - this post is just weird because he says he has basically been ignoring him all game which can't be true if he said he was scum reading him in post 761...

914 - mulch is a scum lean, but we already knew that from post 761 plus his reasons for scum reading mulch are weak.

1315 - this post is weird. Says t-chill is not the best vote but gives no reason for it.

1319 - tells taco that scum have to be on tchill right now (given tchill was scum, clearly he's trying to discredit people on the wagon and get people to hop off)

1321 - I just don't like the attitude in this post. isn't really AI but just weird.

1324 - more discrediting the people on the tchill wagon

there is more discrediting mulch posts scattered around

1364 - I feel that this was a honest reaction lol. It's like he knows his buddy is going down, probably for the "wrong reasons" but he can't do anything about it.

This was just the TChill interactions. I will go back through with Carc mentions.

201 - i don't understand why carc is getting votes...

448 - trivium accuses branson of being opportunistic with the way he voted carc. he also mentions something about carc trying to protect tchill which 1. I don't understand where that came from and 2. interesting given both were scum

460 - discredit's taco's vote on carc

461 - immediately tries to make himself look better but fails

462 - stumbling here. probably got told to make it look less like defending by his buddies or something

498 - votes branson who was voting carc at the time. I don't really see good reasons for the vote either

618 - reads over carc's iso and is scum leaning her after my awesome post

761 - carc is town I am sure of it.... why the 180?

915 - again says carc is town, says he doesn't think I am town but if I am he doesn't want to sheep me (remember after my post he decided to scum lean carc so clearly my post was good enough to sheep for him until it wasn't for some unknown reason....)

uh I'm hungry.

don't think i need to do more do i?

can we lynch trivium today?

[TwoFace]

sorry that is terrible formatting. so here is a tldr version.

basically in a nutshell town reading tchill and carc for unknown reasons and discrediting anyone scum reading them

does a quick change up after I make my post on why carc is scum and agrees with it but later drops it completely and strong town reads carc.

[TwoFace]

don't be an ass about it though and especially don't be a lazy ass.

do work

[TwoFace]

Eh, even saying what I just did, this post is cherrypicking everything that fits with the point

The goal is to look at who interacted with scum in a way that makes sense to be their buddy. If we didn't have a scum flip or in this case 2 scum flips to compare it to, sure you could call it cherry picking but since we have actual scum flips it isn't really cherry picking anymore.

your interactions with the 2 flipped scum is by far the worst of the alive players. you discredited people who pushed them, you even went after people who were going after them, and to top it off you did very odd 180 on your carc read and never explained why you town read carc or why tchill was the wrong lynch.

if you are town, you are just going to have to take one for the team but right now you are the most obvious partner.

[TwoFace]

I love when scum self vote.

[TwoFace]

Town btw, this is just example of why cherrypicking is bad. See ya.

if you are town why the fuck did you self vote?

[TwoFace]

Town btw, this is just example of why cherrypicking is bad. See ya.

if you are town why the fuck did you self vote?

Because I was going down anyways and I figured my lynch would help with the game later?

no it doesn't help.

never self vote unless you are scum.

[TwoFace]

Also iwont miss you mulch, your hammer today disappoints me. you did the worst job of being a conftown i've ever seen.

nah, most conf.town players play bad cause they feel like they don't have to do anything again. so he's par for the course.

[TwoFace]

and this is stupid and bad and disappointing. if youre conftown, USE YOUR STATUS, PLAY HARD. hmph

yeah I agree

[TwoFace]

I did play hard!

[TwoFace]

Mulch was claiming gutread town and people were agreeing. It's smart for boon to claim one shot cop so he can say mulch is town and immediately kill him, ok, yeah, partially because mulch being conf town wouldn't really help us that much. Meanwhile boon gets a fake town card.

fake town cred that he would lose day 4 when he was still alive...

[TwoFace]

I do have one thing to say though, IF boon is actually scum, we're probably screwed anyways 9-1 or nothing.

[TwoFace]

getting lucky doesn't mean you were useful.

[TwoFace]

please stop talking. you have no clue what the heck you are talking about. There is zero chance scum boon wins this game off a day 2 1 shot cop claim when 2 scum are down. if he isn't dead before lylo he will be lynched before lylo

[TwoFace]

getting lucky doesn't mean you were useful.

Yes it does.

please go away. At first i thought you were just a n00b but the more you talk the more I want to insult your intelligence and that's probably not nice.

[TwoFace]

I'm only a dick to people who play antitown or say things that are so stupid they don't even make sense.

[TwoFace]

I don't take advice from people who self vote as town.

[TwoFace]

What do you guys think about a massclaim?

Hate mass claims

[TwoFace]

I have no clue where to go from here.

[TwoFace]

part of me wants to flip boon because trivium's paranoia tipped off my own paranoia.

[TwoFace]

yeah I am hilarious aren't I?

[TwoFace]

No I mean I agree lol


But let's just lynch someone else for now,

who do you recommend? while I am less sure of your "confirmed town" status today as I was yesterday, you still hold that status.


With great power comes great responsibility.


You speed hammered unnecessarily denying town lots of useful chatter. so now do something to make up for it.

[TwoFace]

boonskies just flat out lied about everything and he is town, which doesn't surprise me since boon is a troll and has probably done that in the past.

so now. please do something

[TwoFace]

So you aren't going to do anything. That's great

[TwoFace]

remind me what was your assessment of the game

[TwoFace]

Mod Note

Please slow down on the shit posting and contentless posts. I have had several players complain about the level of shit posting this game has seen. Consider this everyone's warning. If you continue to shit post, you will be replaced.

mulch please remember and adhere to this.

[TwoFace]

I haven't done ANY useless posts.

so I asked you to do something, a period of time lapse and you post

so hello lol


that is literally a useless post

I have tried to get you to do some sort of analysis for two days now and you refuse to.

so yeah you are being useless.

[TwoFace]

who do you recommend? while I am less sure of your "confirmed town" status today as I was yesterday, you still hold that status.


With great power comes great responsibility.


You speed hammered unnecessarily denying town lots of useful chatter. so now do something to make up for it.

Please do something or replace out and let somebody who actually wants to win take your slot.

[TwoFace]

you/emp/fykus are all in my unknown category right now.

branson is probably in my not today column but I am not 100% on him yet.

boon I sort of want him lynched cause when both the cop claim and the town claim aren't killed something fishy is going on and the only person I think is confident enough to pull off shenanigans is him.

p.edit - if you don't know who is scum, DO SOME WORK TO TRY AND FIGURE IT OUT.

Don't just post i'm town and lol look at me I am over here doing nothing la la la de fucking la which you basically have done since yesterday.


if you don't want to do the work. REPLACE OUT

[TwoFace]

You guy realize I'm undefeated as mafia in the past two years, right? Why the hell would I do something suicidal like that? I take pride in my scum game.

I am not convinced.

And I was the one who pushed Tchill the hardest, AND the only one who DIDN'T vote Trivium.

easy to do if you were scum

[TwoFace]

@2F - Lynch me tomorrow.

why not today?
VOTE: boon

[TwoFace]

I didn't die because Klazam planned on framing me. Like, it's blatantly obvious.

explain it to me cause it isn't blatantly obvious to me

[TwoFace]

i didn't ruin shit. you changed your claim on your own. Just like you claimed on your own.

take responsibility for your own actions.

[TwoFace]

You think I'd legit bus Tchill to a lynch the way I did like that? That's detrimental to the scum team; I bus when it's beneficial.

I have seen scum bussed day 1. I have been bussed day 1 by my partners before.

so yeah i do think you would bus a partner for town cred, especially since a lot of people were already suspicious of him and ESPECIALLY since he was the goon and the other possible lynch day 1 was the roleblocker

[TwoFace]

if you take pride in your scum game you are clearly aware how bussing and distancing work.

[TwoFace]

i'm still waiting for you to explain this klazam thing.

[TwoFace]

quick lynched him.

you can blame mulch for that one.

[TwoFace]

@TwoFace - We have plenty of time, be paranoid later, please. Because that's straight up paranoia just wanting an info flip.

my one vote isn't going to lynch you. scum can't rush to quick lynch you since there is only 1. relax.

Sometime soon I will iso people but I did that once and it had a bad outcome. I want to see some other people put in some effort and see if they can come up with a convincing argument.

[TwoFace]

INTENT TO HAMMER KLAzam or empiricus as soon as possible

you aren't going to hammer anyone else until a consensus agrees we are ready for a hammer

[TwoFace]

Watch me

if you hammer without a consensus, cleared or not I will lead a successful lynch on you.

you are hurting the game by doing that shit. STOP IT

[TwoFace]

i'm about to replace out of this game. I can't deal with you anymore

[TwoFace]

i'm just going to log off for a while. I can't take seeing anymore of mulch right now.

[TwoFace]

(I say spread as in, if Dunker is town, if scum have to kill him, that's fantastic, as he cant be a mislynch.

see you fueling my paranoia with this post.

[TwoFace]

Sure, sure. Klazam, do you really dislike my playstyle that much lol

yes i do.

+1

[TwoFace]

I will say if emp is scum. He played well. The fact he explains his scum reads with details is something that doesn't ready scummy to me. I disagree with his reasons, he at least threw them out there and wasn't vague.

Which brings me to doodle. He withheld reasons for his reads as somebody else pointed out. He is also hiding behind a claim which I don't like.

I don't want a claim but if doodle is town I want something that convinces me. I want a substantial post and maybe explain those scum reads he had earlier.

[TwoFace]

Seems like one of these is fake but I have no freaking clue. Of the claims doodles is clearly legit though.

Still think boon could have fake claimed.

[TwoFace]

But historically normal games with a full vig didn't have a lot of power.

[TwoFace]

When I get to a computer I'll post examples of what I'm talking about.

Like gunsmith/weak cop or gunsmith/odd night cop I believe all 3 is a tough pill to swallow

[TwoFace]

games with full vigilante

Mini 1900 - Vig, 2 shot tracker, full gunsmith, and ascetic townie

Mini 1860 - Vig, Roleblocker, Doctor, Cop, and 1 shot commuter

Mini 1847 - Vig, Role Cop, Doctor

Mini 1850 - Vig, Cop, Doctor

Mini 1823 - Vig, Doctor, Tracker, 1 shot BP

Mini 1669 - Vigilante, Gunsmith, and 2 neighbors

I stopped after 1669 1. because I think that is a good sample size and 2. 2015 and prior isn't a good representation with how reviewers are doing games today.


None of these setups support what has currently been claimed thus far. That doesn't mean it isn't possible, but for me I don't find it particularly likely.

It's like the game I played recently where I was a miller. Scum fake claimed watcher and while a miller and town watcher in a game can exsist (and probably has like once or twice) statistically speaking it is highly unlikely so I called BS on the claim and was right.

I am not playing this game assuming least likely scenarios are more likely just because people say so. Boon's claim makes the most sense and since he is all gung ho about these other claims so we "spread the potential kill area" which means he can survive longer without people being suspicious of him.

I get people don't want to lynch boon today and that is fine, but day 4 we have to lynch him because his claim is the least believable imo. I think there could possibly be another weak role out there but to me odd night cop/2 shot gunsmith/3 shot vanilla cop (essentially 3 cops) and a vig doesn't make much sense to me.

[TwoFace]

in about a half hour I will try to look through isos again for connections. That didn't go over so well the last time but I really don't know what else to do at this point.

[TwoFace]

n1: taco - vanilla - chose him because he was the counterwagon on day 1.

this is a horrible reason btw.

why would you choose the counter wagon to scum to investigate? if anything him being a counter to scum would clear him.

[TwoFace]

Also taco was voting Tchill when this exchange happened.

VOTE: mulch

Put your money where your mouth is taco

Put your money where your mouth is taco

I got no mouth but I got a butt. So put money in my butt? Ok *swipes card* xD a lot of taco meat overflowing the shell. What an imagine xD

Anywayyyyyy ughhhh so hard to pick tho! Tchill and Mulch seems very scummy.

VOTE: mulch

and Taco was a town read of fykus day 1 and clearly this interaction shows the town read was still in place.


Fykus may be the right play but I still want to look over posts.

[TwoFace]

VOTE: tchill

if that is the way the winds are blowing, let no one say I don't also blow

an L-2 vote on Tchill just because the winds are blowing that way?

[TwoFace]

need more posts from branson....

[TwoFace]

meh, going through tchill and carc's iso is pretty pointless. they both do a good job muddying the water. So they both play bad enough that make themselves obv scum but good enough you can't really tell who their partners are.

p.edit - that doesn't exclude him from posting

[TwoFace]

Wait wait, That isnt a normal cop claim. I didnt realize that.

What exactly is a vanilla cop?

vanilla cop is sort of like a role cop. mafia goon shows up as vanilla though so just cause emp is vanilla doesn't mean he is confirmed town.

emp could be scum here.

[TwoFace]

idk. The more pressing question is if Vanilla Cops find vanilla for vanilla goons

yes they do