Mini Normal 1919: Endgame

[Carcalilly]

Hey y'all!
Looks like you already got started kinda,, you beat me to the chase. x.x
Mulch, was that just a way to get the game started or do you actually find that post "weird"? And weird in what way?

[Carcalilly]

Both, I had never seen anyone do that before, and wanted to get some type of pressure early

I'll ask my other question again, what type of weird? Is it just "oh, I've never seen this before", or does it pertain to the game in any way?

And @Twoface,
Is that a strike... For what? For pressure, or is that a "this is scummy" strike? Do you have legitimate suspicion on Mulch?

And good morning @Sergtacos!
Why RVS when you can get started now?

(also, I'm extremely active, it's summer and I've got nothing to do all day)

[Carcalilly]

Oh, I would not want to interrupt your dance by voting in there at this early juncture. The day is young (literally in some cases )

What

I'm just continuing trying to be a bit funny.
Your remark on twofaces first post being weird and deserving a vote is slightly weird in my eyes, but that does not equal it voteworthy from me right now.

Why is it weird?

Why is it not? I can imagine a situation where TwoFace chooses to frame his first post like that easily (like, if usually games begin in evenings in his timezone, morning starts are odd = merits remarking on), therefore finding it weird is weird from my perspective.

PSSSSSSTTTTT, They are probably bussing.

Imo this is a really stupid topic, but anything to get the game started. Like timezones have nothing to do with scum xD
Taco, what makes ya think that? Or was that a joke?

(Anyway, I need my morning coffee -u-)

[Carcalilly]

Happy birthday Carcalilly! If you disagree, if you think about it, everyday is our birthday, however the same day and month that we are born just happens to be a milestone. Every second is our birthday.

Whats RVS?

Oh, thank you! <3
RVS=Random Voting Stage
I was taking about post 23, which was after the Mulch and Twoface thingamajig.

[Carcalilly]

And @Twoface,
Is that a strike... For what? For pressure, or is that a "this is scummy" strike? Do you have legitimate suspicion on Mulch?

scummy strike

Would you care to explain how this makes them more likely to be scum in your eyes?

[Carcalilly]

I need to get a quick opinion out there, I'm honestly glad Mulch did that. Taking it seriously is wanting to get the game started, and start scum huntin'!
I don't see it as scummy.

[Carcalilly]

Happy birthday Carcalilly! If you disagree, if you think about it, everyday is our birthday, however the same day and month that we are born just happens to be a milestone. Every second is our birthday.

Whats RVS?

Oh, thank you! <3
RVS=Random Voting Stage
I was taking about post 23, which was after the Mulch and Twoface thingamajig.

Thanks!

Ohhhhh. Well he voted me first!! He started it! *pouting*

But then again if I had gotten here before he has I would've voted him first. He's my archenemy.

Oh my god at first I was so confused because I thought it was someone else.
So, is it a OMGUS vote on yourself?

[Carcalilly]

Hello everybody!

VOTE: Tchill13

Howdy!

And... Why.

[Carcalilly]

Snip

Klazam- Lurking????

Snip

They could be busy or... Sleeping.

[Carcalilly]

Happy birthday Carcalilly! If you disagree, if you think about it, everyday is our birthday, however the same day and month that we are born just happens to be a milestone. Every second is our birthday.

Whats RVS?

Oh, thank you! <3
RVS=Random Voting Stage
I was taking about post 23, which was after the Mulch and Twoface thingamajig.

Thanks!

Ohhhhh. Well he voted me first!! He started it! *pouting*

But then again if I had gotten here before he has I would've voted him first. He's my archenemy.

Oh my god at first I was so confused because I thought it was someone else.
So, is it a OMGUS vote on yourself?

Whats OMGUS?

I'm thinking oh my god whats US? UNITED STATES!!!! ???? Nah cant be that.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... d_You_Suck

Learning moments are still quite valuable no?~

[Carcalilly]

Hello everybody!

VOTE: Tchill13

Howdy!

And... Why.

Why you asking all dem questions? This to me appeal to be a scummy behavior actually.

GUYS GUYS I THINK I FOUND A SCUM.

Because questions put pressure. You're doing it right.
Pressure is frickin' awesome.

Oh, you know, just asking to get responses and analysis from people... So, you know, we can find scum and help town...

[Carcalilly]

Happy birthday Carcalilly! If you disagree, if you think about it, everyday is our birthday, however the same day and month that we are born just happens to be a milestone. Every second is our birthday.

Whats RVS?

Oh, thank you! <3
RVS=Random Voting Stage
I was taking about post 23, which was after the Mulch and Twoface thingamajig.

Thanks!

Ohhhhh. Well he voted me first!! He started it! *pouting*

But then again if I had gotten here before he has I would've voted him first. He's my archenemy.

Oh my god at first I was so confused because I thought it was someone else.
So, is it a OMGUS vote on yourself?

Whats OMGUS?

I'm thinking oh my god whats US? UNITED STATES!!!! ???? Nah cant be that.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... d_You_Suck

Learning moments are still quite valuable no?~

Thanks for your help.

However I don't understand the question that you're asking me?

If I was here first, I would've voted for him anyway. But since he beat me to the punch I'm still voting for him. Its not because of OMGUS.

It was a kind of jokey question with a :p at the end but

Usually when someone votes when they're being voted on it can be kinda scummy? But it really depends on the situation. I was just referencing it.

[Carcalilly]

Hello everybody!

VOTE: Tchill13

Howdy!

And... Why.

Why you asking all dem questions? This to me appeal to be a scummy behavior actually.

GUYS GUYS I THINK I FOUND A SCUM.

Because questions put pressure. You're doing it right.
Pressure is frickin' awesome.

Oh, you know, just asking to get responses and analysis from people... So, you know, we can find scum and help town...

Don't scums usually say stuff like this though?

True, true.
But a good difference to look at is how much they're actually contributing.
If they say they are and act, but a majority of it is fluff and null, then that's a red flag.
But if they're actually gathering useful information for Town, it's probably town-motivated scum hunting. :/

[Carcalilly]

Hello everybody!

VOTE: Tchill13

Howdy!

And... Why.

Why you asking all dem questions? This to me appeal to be a scummy behavior actually.

GUYS GUYS I THINK I FOUND A SCUM.

Because questions put pressure. You're doing it right.
Pressure is frickin' awesome.

Oh, you know, just asking to get responses and analysis from people... So, you know, we can find scum and help town...

Don't scums usually say stuff like this though?

True, true.
But a good difference to look at is how much they're actually contributing.
If they say they are and act, but a majority of it is fluff and null, then that's a red flag.
But if they're actually gathering useful information for Town, it's probably town-motivated scum hunting. :/

Don't get me started with that. -__- Scum hunting to me now don't mean anything. (I still feel hurt)

DUDE I totally know what you're talking about.
You're giving me flashbacks to my first newbie game. *shivers*

Mind if I ask you a decent amount of questions?

[Carcalilly]

And @Twoface,
Is that a strike... For what? For pressure, or is that a "this is scummy" strike? Do you have legitimate suspicion on Mulch?

scummy strike

Would you care to explain how this makes them more likely to be scum in your eyes?

I never said it makes him more likely to be scum though. I just found what he did to be scummy and if he does enough scummy things then he will be more likely to be scum.

my scum reads are almost always based off a scummy body of work.

I see. I usually just correlate the two, but it's better to have more evidence.

[Carcalilly]

Same with mine!! Thats why I said I still feel hurt.


You already have havent you? xD kidding, sure? shoot?

I really learned my lesson there.
Lynched Day1 pffft.

I have, but I have more! >=D

I can agree that scum hunting is not primarily alightment-indicative. Though, would you lynch someone who is actively Scum hunting? Why or why Not? What other ways could you effectivly look for scum- red flags, Process of elimination?

[Carcalilly]

Same with mine!! Thats why I said I still feel hurt.


You already have havent you? xD kidding, sure? shoot?

I really learned my lesson there.
Lynched Day1 pffft.

I have, but I have more! >=D

I can agree that scum hunting is not primarily alightment-indicative. Though, would you lynch someone who is actively Scum hunting? Why or why Not? What other ways could you effectivly look for scum- red flags, Process of elimination?

Lesson learnt from first game, I would actually lynch someone that is actively scum hunting if my guts say that person is scum.
(I can talk about my previous game, right?) Because if i can I will explain why I will lynch.

Well.... follow your gut is one. Carefully analyze what the game seems to be and who is doing what. Idk how to explain it.

Mrrh, personally I'm uncomfortable with trusting gut feelings. Maybe its because mine are often wrong... I prefer to look at the logic of things.

(You can, as long as its finished)

[Carcalilly]

How DID you figure it out? Was it really all gut-based?
Also, to win a majority favor, you'll probably need solid evidence. You could know exactly who scum is but without convincing... Ya gonna loose. ;_;

(Also, it's clear that I like Vaporeon, but my favorite has to be Raichu.)

[Carcalilly]

Actually I rather not say how I figured it out. It was kinda gut based but I found out something. Rather not say because supposed you are scum you would be avoiding that mistake, or even others. Don't want you or others avoiding that mistake so, sorry. AND if you're town and you made that mistake and that convinced me you're scum but you're really town, I'm sorry xD

This post kinda rubs me the wrong way?
I can s definitely see the Town motivation but... Ehh, I feel like it doesn't benefit Town to keep secrets.

I'll tell ya' why...
It leaves your teammates in the dark of what you're thinking. Scum could actually be found if they avoid it obviously, as scum would be very concerned on how they look to other players. And, other players could look out for it with you.

If ya post it publicly, everyone sees it. Town and scum alike. So if there's an advantage, exploit it?

[Carcalilly]

Hello everybody!

VOTE: Tchill13

Howdy!

And... Why.

I'm very curious as to why you framed this question the way you did. What motivation beyond idle curiosity drove you to make this post?

I like you

Imo mafia is this

super friendly

game where the warm welcome is a questioning.
So, welcome.

And please answer my question, was that a RVS?

[Carcalilly]

This game is already giving me headaches. :/

I play this game for the headaches.
Why do we subject ourselfs to these things?

[Carcalilly]

Actually I rather not say how I figured it out. It was kinda gut based but I found out something. Rather not say because supposed you are scum you would be avoiding that mistake, or even others. Don't want you or others avoiding that mistake so, sorry. AND if you're town and you made that mistake and that convinced me you're scum but you're really town, I'm sorry xD

This post kinda rubs me the wrong way?
I can s definitely see the Town motivation but... Ehh, I feel like it doesn't benefit Town to keep secrets.

I'll tell ya' why...
It leaves your teammates in the dark of what you're thinking. Scum could actually be found if they avoid it obviously, as scum would be very concerned on how they look to other players. And, other players could look out for it with you.

If ya post it publicly, everyone sees it. Town and scum alike. So if there's an advantage, exploit it?

You're right that it doesn't benefit Town to keep secrets BUT what I have in mind isn't beneficial at the moment. It'll only benefit Scums if I say this. So I will wait until if/when the behavior rises, I will point it out. Then you will see what I am talking about. But I do wonder why you want to know. It seems scummy of you to want to know how I can discover scums in my own way, because then if I say that, you would avoid it. And no, it won't look scummy if you avoid what I have in mind.

Alright fine, but I'd like to see you CLEARLY explain when it's relevant.
I just don't want it to be like an excuse, like "I know this person is scum, but I'm not gonna say why because I don't want to give it away and scum will avoid it"
That's like a huge red flag to me.

[Carcalilly]

And that's fine.
Conversing with you, I'm formulating a newbtown read so far.

[Carcalilly]

Thanks. ;_; It just set off a trigger for me, but I totally get where you're coming from.

[Carcalilly]

Thanks. ;_; It just set off a trigger for me, but I totally get where you're coming from.

What do you mean?

Your initial post made my brain go "THIS LOOKS SCUMMY" but I'll admit my fault in jumping at it too harshly.

I hope I'm making sense..... ._.

[Carcalilly]

@Mod In case you didn't see it, Taco is voting for me!

[Carcalilly]

Caught up. As far as lynching someone that scum hunting goes scums gonna act like town and town scum hunts so really you just have to figure out whether or not the motivation makes sense. Only other input u have on the game so far is twoface did react a little odd for rvs.

I'm guessing scumhunting is NAI, then?

[Carcalilly]

@Twoface

[Carcalilly]

Caught up. As far as lynching someone that scum hunting goes scums gonna act like town and town scum hunts so really you just have to figure out whether or not the motivation makes sense. Only other input u have on the game so far is twoface did react a little odd for rvs.

I'm guessing scumhunting is NAI, then?

It's about HOW they scum hunt. If you're scum hunting doesn't line up or makes sense then it's scummy. If you're scum hunting seems genuine and the motivation makes sense it's towny. Good scum is gonna look towny though.

Well said.
I personally like looking at the result of any hunting... See who cracks under pressure...

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: ThinkBig

Lynch the Mod then we can break all the rules. We lynch the backup mod tomorrow.

Fight the system. Don't let them control us. BE FREE!

p-edit: oh my god you guys

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: ThinkBig

Lynch the Mod then we can break all the rules. We lynch the backup mod tomorrow.

Fight the system. Don't let them control us. BE FREE!

p-edit: oh my god you guys

I'm just so bored right now. I want everyone to come out and play.

I feel like they're adults with lives and jobs.
Ever thought of taking more than one game at a time? I'd do it out of boredom if I wasn't taking my drivers ed right now.

ANYWAY THIS IS GETTING RLY OFF TOPIC NOW

[Carcalilly]

Won't happen this time, so you can relax

Is that a friendly smile or a suspicious smile

[Carcalilly]

Won't happen this time, so you can relax

Is that a friendly smile or a suspicious smile

Yes

Why

[Carcalilly]

Taco you're doing me a concern ^

[Carcalilly]

Taco you're doing me a concern ^

How do I know if you're not saying this to look like you're town? I mean a scum could be acting this way just to look townyy so that people will be like, hey you're doing a towny behavior so yeah you town.

tbh i don't care how ya'll see it anymore, i'm just gonna say what I think. wall incoming -_-

[Carcalilly]

Taco you're doing me a concern ^

How do I know if you're not saying this to look like you're town? I mean a scum could be acting this way just to look townyy so that people will be like, hey you're doing a towny behavior so yeah you town.

tbh i don't care how ya'll see it anymore, i'm just gonna say what I think. wall incoming -_-

I bet your wall is nothing compared to someone I played with xD
Empiricus, you know who I'm talking about xD

Carcalilly, I challenge you! ^^

Ok, it's not a "wall", but its more than I usually write xD

[Carcalilly]

Taco you're doing me a concern ^

How?

I'm aware that I'm tunneling but you're the only one with enough posts to make something solid out of so...
This is about you,

Sergtaco

~ Also threw in a little bit of advice in there because why not

Topic: Klazam Suspicion

23- RVS vote
40- Saying that they're lurking??? (IMO: He's mentioned it many times with Klazam, yet, he hasn't mentioned anyone else who's lurking.)
60- Possible explanation as to why he's getting at them. ("Fight me"?)
124- A vote and scum read without evidence. (Low-key red flag )

IMO: Could this be a scum bussing attempt? Are you trying to get at Klazam? Why be persistent on it, especially with that vote in their absence? They have

one RVS post

.

Topic: Scumhunting

53- Initial show of strong opinions on scumhunting
63- He doesn't "believe in scumhunting" (IMO: It's a reasonable belief. However... keep reading)

IMO: You can consider scumhunting as NAI, but please don't emphasize being against it, as it can be discouraging. We want people to scumhunt, town or scum, because it STILL reveals information. Also, maybe focus on the

results.

This post is a highlight of my results, talking and questioning you was the hunting, for example.

Topic: Lightheartedness

!Now, I don't have anything against lightheartedness, but I just wanted to take this into account.!
IMO: Your posts have been very lighthearted, and I honestly enjoy talking to you because of that. However, I'm not going to ignore possible alt motives.
-I know that posting lightness can help emotionally when you are feeling heavy or guilty. Do you anything to feel guilty about, Taco?
-Provides distraction, keeps the game from moving forward.
-Appeal to emotion. Act friendly and get on people's good side.

Topic: Self Defense

A quick thing, but when I question him, he tends to turn it back against me.
84- A vote after a clash of opinions.
127- I'm suspicious of someone, and I'm "just saying that to look town"? Don't turn to that, that's a very easy and typical defense.

Defend. Yourself.

VOTE: Sergtacos
For now.

Anyway... someone else please come it. I don't like tunnel battles.

[Carcalilly]

yeah my gut read on carc seems to be headed in the right direction

[Carcalilly]

Taco you're doing me a concern ^

How?

I'm aware that I'm tunneling but you're the only one with enough posts to make something solid out of so...
This is about you,

Sergtaco

~ Also threw in a little bit of advice in there because why not

Topic: Klazam Suspicion

23- RVS vote
40- Saying that they're lurking??? (IMO: He's mentioned it many times with Klazam, yet, he hasn't mentioned anyone else who's lurking.)
60- Possible explanation as to why he's getting at them. ("Fight me"?)
124- A vote and scum read without evidence. (Low-key red flag )

IMO: Could this be a scum bussing attempt? Are you trying to get at Klazam? Why be persistent on it, especially with that vote in their absence? They have

one RVS post

.

Topic: Scumhunting

53- Initial show of strong opinions on scumhunting
63- He doesn't "believe in scumhunting" (IMO: It's a reasonable belief. However... keep reading)

IMO: You can consider scumhunting as NAI, but please don't emphasize being against it, as it can be discouraging. We want people to scumhunt, town or scum, because it STILL reveals information. Also, maybe focus on the

results.

This post is a highlight of my results, talking and questioning you was the hunting, for example.

Topic: Lightheartedness

!Now, I don't have anything against lightheartedness, but I just wanted to take this into account.!
IMO: Your posts have been very lighthearted, and I honestly enjoy talking to you because of that. However, I'm not going to ignore possible alt motives.
-I know that posting lightness can help emotionally when you are feeling heavy or guilty. Do you anything to feel guilty about, Taco?
-Provides distraction, keeps the game from moving forward.
-Appeal to emotion. Act friendly and get on people's good side.

Topic: Self Defense

A quick thing, but when I question him, he tends to turn it back against me.
84- A vote after a clash of opinions.
127- I'm suspicious of someone, and I'm "just saying that to look town"? Don't turn to that, that's a very easy and typical defense.

Defend. Yourself.

VOTE: Sergtacos
For now.

Anyway... someone else please come it. I don't like tunnel battles.

First off, I know Klazam IRL. I'm just joking about him lurking.

So every time I make a post that contains something like lightheartedness and/or AtE I'm scum? What the..... People so need to know my playing style, but then that would be bad for me when I'm actual scum xD Ok, when I'm town I goof off. I'm care free because I have nothing to hide. When I'm scum, I try hard and more serious.
Empiricus and Klazam can confirm this. Well, I know Klazam can but idk about Emp tho. If klazam says no, he's lying omg.
Anyway, my votes stays on Klazam because he's scum. Please vote scum, unless you're scum too, which I think you might be scum. I'm thinking now you are defending him because he's your scum buddy.

Anyway, keep the game from moving forward? I'm bored, jesus. There's not enough people active to actually keep the game moving forward.

Ok Honestly, I'm not saying you could be scum because you're thinking I'm scum, I'm thinking you're scum because of trying to put Towny behavior. I feel like you're trying too hard to scum hunt, trying too hard to find scummies. Towns usually relax and think through and here you are asking almost everyone why they voted, etc etc. If you were to target someone else I would still question you anyway.

I even said I have no evidence. What kind of scum would say that? NADA, at least I think xD

I don't remember saying I'm against scum hunting, too lazy to look back as I am writing this. However, Scumhunting is fine, I'm just saying I will still lynch someone although that person is scumhunting due to experience. Like you for example, you're scum hunting, hats off to you, but are you really because you seem like you're doing it too hard.

But hey, my vote still stays on Klazam. He's scum, PERIOD. You scum buddy scummy scum you xD

Thanks for the clarification. O_O Would've been nice earlier...

As I said, I'm totally chill with lightheartedness. I'm taking into account all the possibilities because why the heck not? It just stuck out to me because you're the most lighthearted player I've met so far (though I haven't played many games.)

Also, you're really concerning me with the "no talking about the game irl or elsewhere" rule. You didn't do anything right??? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU DID SOMETHING,, *sirens in the distance*

I agree there's not enough people, but why clog the thread with useless stuff?

I'm bored and wanna play some MAFIA.

[Carcalilly]

Taco you're doing me a concern ^

How do I know if you're not saying this to look like you're town? I mean a scum could be acting this way just to look townyy so that people will be like, hey you're doing a towny behavior so yeah you town.

VOTE: carcalilly

Not sure why taco and twoface imply carcalilly seems scummy then doesn't vote them. That's seems odd to me.

And your personal evidence is?

[Carcalilly]

In my opinion carcalilly may have done the first thing that actually makes sense to scum read this game. I agree his post comes off as him trying to ACT towny. At least I agree enough to vote. Twoface is the only other one I'm concerned with. Not as strong as carcalilly though.

I feel so appreciated

[Carcalilly]

I do too little they call me scummy
I do too much they call me scummy
Ffs

[Carcalilly]

I realized some of you are referring to me as "he" and it kind of confuses me; s

[Carcalilly]

I'm not so sure no more on sergtacos. Your selfmeta thing is shitty. You can wait tho, the other guy is worse.

BTW, what is selfmeta? or even meta?

Meta is where you're aware of your past games. Selfmeta is... controversial.
Its like what you did by going "Hey, I'm

usually

like this.

Look at my past games.

"
It's legit, but can be manipulated and used as an excuse sometimes, which is why people tend to jump on it.

[Carcalilly]

hey guys only up to page 6 but im off to work so ill finish catching up there.

also VOTE: boon

he knows what hes done lol.

omgus?

[Carcalilly]

I'm not so sure no more on sergtacos. Your selfmeta thing is shitty. You can wait tho, the other guy is worse.

BTW, what is selfmeta? or even meta?

Meta is where you're aware of your past games. Selfmeta is... controversial.
Its like what you did by going "Hey, I'm

usually

like this.

Look at my past games.

"
It's legit, but can be manipulated and used as an excuse sometimes, which is why people tend to jump on it.

ohhhh thanks! TBH, its easy to confirm town me tho. I just can't be serious while I play town, i just can't. But scum, I can though, and that right there is the biggest flaw i have in mafia xD

You're still feeding the selfmeta..................

[Carcalilly]

But Emp does sorta look scummy to me though. Hm. Because right after Klazam voted me and said to fight him, Emp voted him and said he wanted to fight me, so is he wanting my vote on Klazam too?

Um... is this a joke or an analysis...?

[Carcalilly]

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD well dang.

But on more serious terms: get on the game. plz.

[Carcalilly]

But Emp does sorta look scummy to me though. Hm. Because right after Klazam voted me and said to fight him, Emp voted him and said he wanted to fight me, so is he wanting my vote on Klazam too?

Um... is this a joke or an analysis...?

I guess I joke too much xD its an analysis.

Just making sure lmao
I don't see RVS as that significant, though...

[Carcalilly]

And there is no such thing as too defensive.

I like this for some reason.

exactly. you know i can read you as town or not. but youre making a big ass deal out of it and taking it too seriously right now.

Are you there? If so, respond to this question in the next 5-10 mins. if you miss that time slot ill ignore the answer you come up with.

Why are you scum?

How am I taking it seriously? What part was I being serious with?

I'm here. *waves hand*

Why am I scum? Oh idk maybe because TB assigned me that role? xD

my brain is hurting
please tell me youre joking

[Carcalilly]

And there is no such thing as too defensive.

I like this for some reason.

exactly. you know i can read you as town or not. but youre making a big ass deal out of it and taking it too seriously right now.

Are you there? If so, respond to this question in the next 5-10 mins. if you miss that time slot ill ignore the answer you come up with.

Why are you scum?

How am I taking it seriously? What part was I being serious with?

I'm here. *waves hand*

Why am I scum? Oh idk maybe because TB assigned me that role? xD

my brain is hurting
please tell me youre joking

Maybe xD

stop screwing with my brainn

[Carcalilly]

And there is no such thing as too defensive.

I like this for some reason.

exactly. you know i can read you as town or not. but youre making a big ass deal out of it and taking it too seriously right now.

Are you there? If so, respond to this question in the next 5-10 mins. if you miss that time slot ill ignore the answer you come up with.

Why are you scum?

How am I taking it seriously? What part was I being serious with?

I'm here. *waves hand*

Why am I scum? Oh idk maybe because TB assigned me that role? xD

my brain is hurting
please tell me youre joking

Maybe xD

stop screwing with my brainn

TBH, its a sarcasm answer obviously, so idk why you keep saying your brain hurts? Trying to say you're town that way? trying too hard again?

Yeah I'm probably overthinking it again
But I started thinking WIFOM... https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM

[Carcalilly]

I am wondeirng if someone could summarize the 10 pages for me so when I read I can detect bias

Yup yup

1:
RVS. Weird remark from Mulch. Twoface jumps at it. Weird talk about timezones.

2:
Throwing around questions and pressure.

3:
Lots of back and forth between me and Taco. A vote for Twoface from Trivium. Some questions asked with Branson.

4:
More back and forth, a lot of game theory. Tchill hops into the game. Again, some Trivium and Twoface

5:
Terrible memes, terrible puns.

6:
I post this analysis on Taco cuz he's giving me the heeby jeebies

7:
Some suspicion at me.

8:
Like, 3 votes?

9:
Klazam and Taco start their back and forth.

10:
Continued ft. Mulch

[Carcalilly]

I am wondeirng if someone could summarize the 10 pages for me so when I read I can detect bias

TwoFace trying to be defensive so hard.

Me be silly
But Klazam and Lilly doesn't like my silliness and thinks I'm scum because of that.

It's mostly of me being silly tho xD

Bro, there's more to the case than just your sillyness.

[Carcalilly]

Defensiveness is NAI

UNVOTE:


Worst possible thing ever, saying someone is defensive so they are scum

Being defensive in a jumpy way, and then saying "Am I in the newbie que" as a way to discredit people? No, it's not the worst thing in the world to scumread someone for that. Scum are much more likely to act like this, without a doubt.

The "newbie que" remark wasn't about defensiveness if I remember

[Carcalilly]

[quote="In post 263, Empiricus"][/quote]

This damn game

[Carcalilly]

Is this a game theory debate or scumhunting?

[Carcalilly]

This game is a total headache. I sense this game has all the jack of trades have trust issues to the max xD

Buckle in. It's going to get worse especially if people don't drop this stupid defensive bullshit

Oh god

But really guys: defensiveness can be a strategy. Maybe analysis can be drawn from the people jumping on the defensive person or something?

[Carcalilly]

But isn't mafia all about worrying about what everyone else is doing? ^

[Carcalilly]

But isn't mafia all about worrying about what everyone else is doing? ^

Thats not all about that no

Its about voting, lynching, lying, etc etc.

Same thing.

Voting = Because you think someone is scummy
Lynching = When you really think someone is scummy
Lying = trying not to look scummy to someone

It's a social game.
How the heck can you tell someone to mind their own business in a social game...?

[Carcalilly]

Honestly I don't see it as much as lying, it seems like more of a differing opinion and view point.
What's defensive/scumhunting to one person can and will be different to another.
So... chill a bit?

[Carcalilly]

If you/tchill/mulch/

that dude with a C

are all town, y'all will infuriate me so much.

Klazam be nice...
Really, please chill. We're all different people, with differing opinions and morals. There's no need to be sour about it.

[Carcalilly]

^ I somehow knew you were gonna pop up in response to that

[Carcalilly]

Who you thinking here, Taco?

Idk right now. We need more people to post. I mean i was just thinking, know what would be funny? if we all townies argue and lynch each other, doing scum's work when some people haven't posted yet and they could be scums. xD

That's how a decent amount of games must've ended up.

[Carcalilly]

Or they're just busy? I kinda feel bad because this game is exploding.

[Carcalilly]

I wanna post reads too bc why not
I'll give my reasoning later.

From Scummiest->Townie

Sergtacos-Mulch-Tchill-Twoface-Trivium-Klazam-Empiricus

[Carcalilly]

I wanna post reads too bc why not
I'll give my reasoning later.

From Scummiest->Townie

Sergtacos-Mulch-Tchill-Twoface-Trivium-Klazam-Empiricus

Funny how I mentioned the scum team could be you klazam and empiricus and yet your townies are these two xD

Funny how the active questioners and conversaters are the ones you suspect. >_>

[Carcalilly]

Noooo. No more please make is stop haha.

Imma call it a night I guess? :p

[Carcalilly]

I wake up and am presented with a gift~

Oh, I would not want to interrupt your dance by voting in there at this early juncture. The day is young (literally in some cases )

What

I'm just continuing trying to be a bit funny.
Your remark on twofaces first post being weird and deserving a vote is slightly weird in my eyes, but that does not equal it voteworthy from me right now.

Why is it weird?

Why is it not? I can imagine a situation where TwoFace chooses to frame his first post like that easily (like, if usually games begin in evenings in his timezone, morning starts are odd = merits remarking on), therefore finding it weird is weird from my perspective.

PSSSSSSTTTTT, They are probably bussing.

Imo this is a really stupid topic, but anything to get the game started. Like timezones have nothing to do with scum xD
Taco, what makes ya think that? Or was that a joke?

(Anyway, I need my morning coffee -u-)

The dissonance between this post and the last one I quoted from Carcalilly is making me nervous, especially since the overall tone between the two posts has changed in that short of an amount of time.

I honestly did find it a stupid topic. I guess I was just more casual in this post. I mean what I say, but if you'd like something more organized...

Both, I had never seen anyone do that before, and wanted to get some type of pressure early

I'll ask my other question again, what type of weird? Is it just "oh, I've never seen this before", or does it pertain to the game in any way?

And @Twoface,
Is that a strike... For what? For pressure, or is that a "this is scummy" strike? Do you have legitimate suspicion on Mulch?

And good morning @Sergtacos!
Why RVS when you can get started now?

(also, I'm extremely active, it's summer and I've got nothing to do all day)

This post looks a lot more like trying to look busy than trying to figure out other people's thoughts. The way she's trying to unpack this situation is too... thorough, especially for an RVS interaction.

Yes, I was ready to get down to business. I know it's an RVS interaction, but this is the stuff early on out in the game as it gets started.
I thought it was a rather useless and NAI interaction, but I took it seriously, and acted with a serious tone, mainly because it's the push for the game to start. Otherwise, if I was just "lol this is stupid can we not"... That's not gonna bring us anywhere.

Hello everybody!

VOTE: Tchill13

Howdy!

And... Why.

I'm very curious as to why you framed this question the way you did. What motivation beyond idle curiosity drove you to make this post?

I like you

Imo mafia is this

super friendly

game where the warm welcome is a questioning.
So, welcome.

And please answer my question, was that a RVS?

This post is pinging me big time. The way she asked me about my vote was very different than how she has been asking questions from others, but it was also said in more of a "Why would you vote x?" type of way than "Why did you vote x?"

Then after being called out on how she framed the question, she reframes it and turns it back to me. Very interesting.

Oh crap I actually missed the question about framing... I thought you were just asking why I posted.
And honestly... That's really up to interpretation. I didn't mean anything but "why". All I said was "And... Why." :/
Also, I just added than second part for clarification. Why, was it just a RVS or something else?

[Carcalilly]

I have a feeling I'm gonna be killed tonight. I think a scum or two or even all three want me to die due to posting too much xD

I think you'll live, your posts are kinda distracting from the game, which is what scum wants. :/

[Carcalilly]

Now I hope people will realize that these fights with TwoFace are completely pointless and the suspicions on Sergtacos are for stuff that aren't alignment indicative so that we can start getting somewhere in the day phase. The focus has been on those two for so much time today that it's really difficult to get any solid reads on most of the playerlist, even those that already have quite a few posts.

1. I agree.
2. TBH either Taco is really newbtown or scum hiding behind his posts and laughing.

Anyway, once I get out of math camp, 1v1 me Branson

[Carcalilly]

The Sergtacos self-meta thing is dead null. It's a personality tell, not an alignment tell.

Maybe that's what he wants you to think?

[Carcalilly]

I'm not suspecting him because of his personality... some of the stuff he said was just plain scummy, and it would be no matter who said it.

[Carcalilly]

The Sergtacos self-meta thing is dead null. It's a personality tell, not an alignment tell.

Maybe that's what he wants you to think?

I don't like this.

Just saying

[Carcalilly]

I'm not suspecting him because of his personality... some of the stuff he said was just plain scummy, and it would be no matter who said it.

It's just a bad thing to be jumping on day 1, though, there are much safer options.

Like?

Also, question, are you still suspecting Twoface?

[Carcalilly]

I'm not suspecting him because of his personality... some of the stuff he said was just plain scummy, and it would be no matter who said it.

It's just a bad thing to be jumping on day 1, though, there are much safer options.

Like?

Also, question, are you still suspecting Twoface?

TwoFace is definitely up there still. I would actually rather lynch from lurkers, or someone like Branson, than lynch someone who I can't read very well. I guess that's a double edged sword, because the longer serg is here the more risk is involved, but I think sum have to show their face eventually. My point is, not everyone in the game has posted enough to make a solid read on them yet, so we should chill out on the guy who's going to pose a risk of lynching if scum jump on him.

I'm very opposed to lynching lurkers for this reason:
Their flip won't provide with much information at all, and it's a total gamble because we have nothing to base it off of except they haven't been posting.

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: Carcalilly

Ok, but that's omgus.

Sorry, twitch reaction. Not omgus, I guess taco's been reading into carcalilly for some time now. Still.

But it might be a little bit omgus.

Honestly it's like 10% OMGUS and 90% serious vote other than OMGUS because she seems scummy to me.

It's not OMGUS unless they're voting for you only because you voted for them.

[Carcalilly]

I got 153 posts, yall need to step up. Get on to my level.

Boi I got 77

[Carcalilly]

Hope it goes well! ;n;

[Carcalilly]

Ok I don't like those responses from tacos, kinda seems like he's telling everyone to lynch him so he won't get lynched, reverse psychology. Everyone else has valid points against taco too, so I'm willing to vote him rn.

Any opinions on any other players? :0

[Carcalilly]

I need to get a quick opinion out there, I'm honestly glad Mulch did that. Taking it seriously is wanting to get the game started, and start scum huntin'!
I don't see it as scummy.

]
Nice buddy.

I had an opinion

[Carcalilly]

Ok so here is what I see

Klazam- Lurking????

Carcalilly defending Mulch
Empiricus defending TwoFace
Mulch possibility of bussing TwoFace

Wolfy catch up

Who the hell is Wolfy?

[Carcalilly]

Trivium, you might wanna see this,

But my personal opinion on pushing for a Taco lynch:
-He's scummy, and I'm my opinion, has some claims against him that make him more likely to be scum. I've talked about this a lot.
-However, if he really is town, it could be policy-lynch like. It could clear him of suspicion and focus(so we can turn it elsewhere), stop the shitposts(if he doesn't start really playing' this game), and since he's such an active player, give great insight on the votes and wagons- who stayed on and who stayed off.

So the reason why I'm on this wagon is because I find the result to be the most beneficial for either alignment flip.

[Carcalilly]

You don't need to respond to everything I say lol

Why not?

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: SergeTacos

easy first vote

How is it "easy" to you...?

[Carcalilly]

If you found it to be a stupid topic, then why did you show so much interest in it before when it was directly relevant to the game?

Didn't I just answer that? It was the only thing really relevant at the time. I wanted to get the game started. I swear I've said that like 4 times already.

What did you gain from those questions and what changed between post 27 and 30 to make you go from that serious tone to outwardly admitting that the entire conversation was essentially pointless? That's the dissonance I'm talking about.

Well, of course in the initial questioning I wanted to be taken seriously. If I let them know that I really didn't see the topic too seriously, they wouldn't take me seriously. The questions wouldn't have an effect.
And yeah, I kind of wanted to know why they started out how they did, and why they were asking what they were asking.

My entire issue with your play up to this point is that your tone keeps shifting in seemingly random ways at random times. What I don't understand about your post is why your tone suddenly shifted to be more blunt, especially since I voted somebody that hadn't even posted in the thread yet. It feels very off.

OK that is a very reasonable point. I personally didn't notice my own tone changing much and it's definitely not intentional.
If I really think about it, it's probably the way I talk to Taco. The way he posts low-key makes me inclined to post similarly, as in a light hearted fashion ig.

[Carcalilly]

[quote="In post 498, Trivium"
And I know I've said this a few times already, but I dislike the taco votes and Dunker's vote seems of the opportune.

@Trivium or anyone else really, could you explain to me the cons of lynching Sergtacos today? Obvious pro is if he is scum, we hit scum on D1. A lot of his posts have pinged me, especially the way he flip flops constantly (see above lol) I also like the read someone gave based on his previous game, saying that he did not sound the same. I'll verify that and read his existing meta when I get a second.

I understand that it could possibly be scum trying to push an easy mislynch maybe, but even if Serg is town, his flip would reveal a lot of information I feel like. Since he has been posting SO MUCH, it would be easy to go back after his flip and analyze his voting, who he was scumreading etc.

Also tbh I haven't properly caught up with the game since I last posted, I'll do that after work today, but just wanted to ask this Q first[/quote]

The only con I can see so far is if he's a PR.

[Carcalilly]

Damn, that quoting got screwed up. Can someone fix it or... Should I try again...?

[Carcalilly]

We're not pushing for a mislynch, Tacobutt. You seem like scum.
However, since we can't be 100% sure, we took in to account if you were to flip town. And we saw the results as more beneficial than let's say, we lynch someone else and they flip town.

P-edit: TBH you're right there, we still have a lot of time left. I don't actually want to cut the day short. You're not close to a hammer, right?
And I'm glad with the substance you're starting to give!

PS. Is it a bad idea if I call you Tacobutt? I like that name.

[Carcalilly]

Oh L-2...
Hopefully no one lolhammers.

Right now I'm just waiting, especially for Boon.
And I kind of agree with you on one thing, I don't like how Fykus complains about the earlier pages of the thread.

[Carcalilly]

Don't see what doodles and Mulch reason for voting me. Others make sense

Between those two, Doodles has a better vote.
Mulch just jumped on the wagon... :/

[Carcalilly]

Ok I don't like those responses from tacos, kinda seems like he's telling everyone to lynch him so he won't get lynched, reverse psychology. Everyone else has valid points against taco too, so I'm willing to vote him rn.

Doodles' gave a decent reason

And Mulch is just like

VOTE: SergeTacos

easy first vote

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: Carcalilly

Reason?

cause I think he is scum obviously

His scum read on me seems consistent but I couldn't find a reason why in any of his posts...

[Carcalilly]

Ok I don't like those responses from tacos, kinda seems like he's telling everyone to lynch him so he won't get lynched, reverse psychology. Everyone else has valid points against taco too, so I'm willing to vote him rn.

Doodles' gave a decent reason

And Mulch is just like

VOTE: SergeTacos

easy first vote

In what way is that good at all from doodles? Lmao

They at least stated the stance of their opinion and how they agreed with everyone else, and added their own insight too.
Unlike... :igmeou:

[Carcalilly]

His scum read on me seems consistent but I couldn't find a reason why in any of his posts...

early on I had a gut feeling on you, taco later summed it up perfectly and I agreed with him. You try to seem town and it doesn't feel natural. then you made your huge "case" and dropped a vote and the entire thing seemed forced and the reasons haven't been very good. I don't like the way you are dancing around this taco pressure. It feels to me like you know he is going to flip town. I think the straw that broke the camel's back was when you said there would only be a con to lynching taco if he was some sort of PR. Losing any townie is a con. Losing an active member of the game is a HUGE con. Even if he does spam post a lot that doesn't mean he is detrimental to the game.

Thank you
Tbh I'm feeling the sting from my first newbie game right now so lemmie explain.
I know that loosing Town is a con in general. But compared to the loss of other members of they were to flip town would be more detrimental in my opinion. So, comparitvley speaking, its not a con to me.
To play Mafia, people will be lynched. There should be no protecting or denying that. My first game, I was so focused on not lynching town that it totally screwed up the game.

OK, there's no use for me to respond to the forced accusation since I can't change your opinions anyway. Near the beginning of the game I was trying to get a roll going, though, if that make sense.

[Carcalilly]

I'm just gonna sheep twoface on that one because that is amazing

Are you always this blatant?

[Carcalilly]

IN MY OPINION
If we lynch them that's darn great. #1 goal.
But, multitasking and looking at the positive side of things, getting information is goal #2.
Preventing town death is goal #3

Goals 2 and 3 swap near endgame. However, it's day one... :/

[Carcalilly]

If we lynch *scum in case that wasn't clear

[Carcalilly]

Considering your scumread is wrong, it makes me wannna vote you

I rly don't like this post. It sounds backlashy in a bad way.

[Carcalilly]

UNVOTE: Sergtacos
I've put enough focus on him for now.

[Carcalilly]

Considering your scumread is wrong, it makes me wannna vote you

I rly don't like this post. It sounds backlashy in a bad way.

Wrong

Boi, talk to me rn. "Wrong" isn't convincing defense at all.

[Carcalilly]

Considering your scumread is wrong, it makes me wannna vote you

I rly don't like this post. It sounds backlashy in a bad way.

Wrong

Boi, talk to me rn. "Wrong" isn't convincing defense at all.

I don't feel the need to defend against you lol

Fine, do you have anything actually interesting to say?

[Carcalilly]

Hey im all caught up, had to take in my computer for repair so I've been stuck on my phone for a couple days. I should get it back sometime today. Anyways I'm keeping my vote on tacos because I still feel he is scum. I also am scum leaning two face and mulch, mainly gut but also a few other reasons I can share later. I am town reading trivium tchill and carc because I like their posts.

Pedit: here's my reads so I hope that helps.

I'm awaiting that reasoning asap!

[Carcalilly]

Well you keep saying I'll catch up. Yet you keep claiming you haven't caught up. So when you do catch up and give reads is may change. How am I supposed to know that you haven't already caught up and continue to post you will to justify a lack of reads and lurking?

I low-key agree with this.

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: mulch

For lurking

I think there are better things to vote on him for though.
Sorry Mulch but your posts are kinda scummy, it's like you don't care as much.
I have a theory but I'll take a quick look at his meta to justify it first

[Carcalilly]

You seem whiny when I put you back to idk scum instead of leaving you in town.

Want that read from me, then prove it

Wait, who?

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: mulch

For lurking

I think there are better things to vote on him for though.
Sorry Mulch but your posts are kinda scummy, it's like you don't care as much.
I have a theory but I'll take a quick look at his meta to justify it first

Why do you think scum would care less than town :thinking:

Because they wouldn't... Theyre not supposed to help town at all, that's against their wincon.
Plus the try-hard tell is strong in this game, it seems like something scum would avoid if the saw it
But I'm not sure yet, I haven't gotten to reading the meta yet, when I get it off math camp.

[Carcalilly]

Fykus, are you actually busy or? Your reasoning seems to be bare minimum if not absent in a lot of your points.

[Carcalilly]

OK, Mulch is really consistent with his playstyle. I guess I don't like it in general, but whatever. Plz catch up asap.

[Carcalilly]

I'm bored and I want to place my vote on someone

Strong Town: Trivium, Empiricus

Town lean: Dunkerdoodles, Tchill, Klazam

Null: Boonskies, shuffleplay, Brandson

Scum lean: Fykus, Tacobutt, Mulch

Strong Scum: None...... Yet

Fykus, any original substance on that Mulch vote?

[Carcalilly]

Forcing me to read *cries*

*gun to head* keep reading boi

[Carcalilly]

You seem whiny when I put you back to idk scum instead of leaving you in town.

Want that read from me, then prove it

Wait, who?

Tchill

Hmm because that's a red flag actually... Minus some town points for him...

[Carcalilly]

Forcing me to read *cries*

*gun to head* keep reading boi

I don't think a town would do this. A scum would tho.

(Joking in case anyone didn't know)

[Carcalilly]

I do sort of agree that you need to dial back the uesless posts

Ok ok it's just I'm bored and every one else needs to post more

It was just one or two posts
I also take half fault for that Trump pic I'm sorry

[Carcalilly]

If one more person scumreads me for NAI I'm gonna get angry

This game in particular makes me feel like NAI is up to interpretation

[Carcalilly]

I do sort of agree that you need to dial back the uesless posts

Ok ok it's just I'm bored and every one else needs to post more

It was just one or two posts
I also take half fault for that Trump pic I'm sorry

Make it 3/4 and we have deal. I make great deals, the best deals. I bust scums and no one can bust scums better than me.

Taco, once this game is over or we both die, pm me, youre a cool guy.

[Carcalilly]

OK....... Sorry Dx

Again I don't have strong scum reads because I'm not sure exactly who is scum tho.

I feel like this isn't something town would say.
Like, emphasising uncertainty, and uncertainty=town. I don't feel a need for real town to emphasize it.

[Carcalilly]

@fykus unvote me

Ok

UNVOTE: mulch

How the hell did that work????

[Carcalilly]

aight, y'all. I can make a big catch up post tomorrow!!! But for now, Branson, Dunkerdoodles, and Empiricus are the scum team. Bet on it.

VOTE: dunkerdoodles

Very curious as to why you think doodles is scummy because I disagree rn...

[Carcalilly]

Welcome, Vedith!

Omg it's Vedith

[Carcalilly]

Do you townread Tchill already or something? ^

[Carcalilly]

Do you townread Tchill already or something? ^

Me and Chilly are best friends.

D'ohhh alrighty!
If you're gonna read and catch up, I must apologize for the shitposts.
Though page 5 is golden.

Anyway... Lookin' forward to seeing your play. owo

[Carcalilly]

Carcalilly is a she

Thank you.

[Carcalilly]

Taco you're doing me a concern ^

How?

I'm aware that I'm tunneling but you're the only one with enough posts to make something solid out of so...
This is about you,

Sergtaco

~ Also threw in a little bit of advice in there because why not

Topic: Klazam Suspicion

23- RVS vote
40- Saying that they're lurking??? (IMO: He's mentioned it many times with Klazam, yet, he hasn't mentioned anyone else who's lurking.)
60- Possible explanation as to why he's getting at them. ("Fight me"?)
124- A vote and scum read without evidence. (Low-key red flag )

IMO: Could this be a scum bussing attempt? Are you trying to get at Klazam? Why be persistent on it, especially with that vote in their absence? They have

one RVS post

.

Topic: Scumhunting

53- Initial show of strong opinions on scumhunting
63- He doesn't "believe in scumhunting" (IMO: It's a reasonable belief. However... keep reading)

IMO: You can consider scumhunting as NAI, but please don't emphasize being against it, as it can be discouraging. We want people to scumhunt, town or scum, because it STILL reveals information. Also, maybe focus on the

results.

This post is a highlight of my results, talking and questioning you was the hunting, for example.

Topic: Lightheartedness

!Now, I don't have anything against lightheartedness, but I just wanted to take this into account.!
IMO: Your posts have been very lighthearted, and I honestly enjoy talking to you because of that. However, I'm not going to ignore possible alt motives.
-I know that posting lightness can help emotionally when you are feeling heavy or guilty. Do you anything to feel guilty about, Taco?
-Provides distraction, keeps the game from moving forward.
-Appeal to emotion. Act friendly and get on people's good side.

Topic: Self Defense

A quick thing, but when I question him, he tends to turn it back against me.
84- A vote after a clash of opinions.
127- I'm suspicious of someone, and I'm "just saying that to look town"? Don't turn to that, that's a very easy and typical defense.

Defend. Yourself.

VOTE: Sergtacos
For now.

Anyway... someone else please come it. I don't like tunnel battles.

VOTE: Carcalilly

If you're curious, is seems like people hated this post of mine a lot.
I kinda wanna make more posts like this, they're fun to make.

[Carcalilly]

Well he started off lying about me. He's done nothing of value in the middle and finished it off with some buddying

Is this true, Chilly?

What up vedith. I made no lie. I simply said Twofaces defensiveness over something obviously silly seemed scummy. After much discussion and a few pointing out defensiveness is NAI I went from a scum lean to a town lean on twoface. Why would he attract so much attention to himself at the beginning of the game? So that gave him a town lean from me. As far as my middle play I've pretty much just pushed Sergtacos which a few think he's scum a few think he's town. The only other scum read I had was klazam at this point but that was based off interactions with Sergtacos. They're irl buddies that's hard to read. There's not been too much activity from a number of accounts for me to have confident scum reads.

Ok..... the best way to know about this event without bias is to read it yourself... I still see the clashing opinions between Twoface and you, Tchill...

[Carcalilly]

I'm a newer player I'm learning as I go but to call it a blatant lie playing according to my beliefs on the game I don't understand. Like if you really think 2 plus 2 is 5 you're not lying you're just wrong. I admit I was wrong but I wasn't lying.

I personally agree with your opinion and all, but... absolute truths are really meh...

[Carcalilly]

oh my god

please gimmie a second to soak that post in before i respond-

[Carcalilly]

@boon
1.) im intoxicated by the colors and organization its beautiful
2.) Have you played a lot of games with Twoface or something?
3.) But legit, if you have any new insight or opinions on me, hmu. I wanna fight.
4.) Ok, yes, I do dislike that Empiricus reading. First post in the game?? Like, the rvs stuff or when we start to get serious?? Could you maybe quote it please??

[Carcalilly]

'sup folks, this'll be fun!

VOTE: Klazam
Why do you want to fight the taco? I wanted to be the one to fight the taco!

this pinged me. the fact that I see the rest of his play scummy as well just heightened the read anymore. That post alone would have had me put him as null-scum.

I think Branson is scum, and if we flipped him and he flips scum, I'd probably raise you up to green. If he flipped town, you'd probably stay where you are for now. This isn't to say that if he's town you are 100% scum or anything, as I don't see it that way. I just see a high chance of Branson flipping scum, but I realize that we're not even 40 pages into the game yet, and most of the game was just Taco.

I've played a decent amount with 2F.

Uhm... You sure it's not your gut acting up? I really dont see anything pinging at all about that post. It's an introduction post. And RVS........

And I assumed that from your post. Honestly, I have a slight town read on Branson, and it's probably because of how he plays it's... Like me, almost. Like, we want to get he pressure on. Right now. Pressure is the best way to get scum to slip. Scum slipping is the thing to go for, not just "this sounds kiiiinda scummy to me but interpretations blah blah blah".

[Carcalilly]

Same with mine!! Thats why I said I still feel hurt.


You already have havent you? xD kidding, sure? shoot?

I really learned my lesson there.
Lynched Day1 pffft.

I have, but I have more! >=D

I can agree that scum hunting is not primarily alightment-indicative. Though, would you lynch someone who is actively Scum hunting? Why or why Not? What other ways could you effectivly look for scum- red flags, Process of elimination?

Wolfy af. No actualy analysis. Trying to look like they are doing something.

Bruh, that was to get the pressure going. I had like, nothing to go off of.

[Carcalilly]

HYPE IM READY 2 FITE

[Carcalilly]

Hello everybody!

VOTE: Tchill13

Howdy!

And... Why.

Why you asking all dem questions? This to me appeal to be a scummy behavior actually.

GUYS GUYS I THINK I FOUND A SCUM.

Because questions put pressure. You're doing it right.
Pressure is frickin' awesome.

Oh, you know, just asking to get responses and analysis from people... So, you know, we can find scum and help town...

Horrible use of the same emoji 2X in a row. SCum flail at what to say and go back to confomrt. Oh, and they talk about scumreading without doing any themselves. BAD.

That's my face practically when saying that line. You can tell itd be said rather sassily. But I fail at that, so, meh.

[Carcalilly]

Same with mine!! Thats why I said I still feel hurt.


You already have havent you? xD kidding, sure? shoot?

I really learned my lesson there.
Lynched Day1 pffft.

I have, but I have more! >=D

I can agree that scum hunting is not primarily alightment-indicative. Though, would you lynch someone who is actively Scum hunting? Why or why Not? What other ways could you effectivly look for scum- red flags, Process of elimination?

Wolfy af. No actualy analysis. Trying to look like they are doing something.

I like to ask questions now, analyze later.

[Carcalilly]

How DID you figure it out? Was it really all gut-based?
Also, to win a majority favor, you'll probably need solid evidence. You could know exactly who scum is but without convincing... Ya gonna loose. ;_;

(Also, it's clear that I like Vaporeon, but my favorite has to be Raichu.)

Why are you talking about this, quwationing, doing random things, but not doing any analysis yourself?

I'm curious is one.
Also, game theory is always nice to talk about. Everyone's take on the game can be different, and I don't wanna judge incorrectly on that.

[Carcalilly]

This game is already giving me headaches. :/

I play this game for the headaches.
Why do we subject ourselfs to these things?

Why are you keep saying random things like this that don't help at all?

So you're gonna point me out on that and not anyone else... Kk, thanks...

[Carcalilly]

I'm going to have to restructure my reads solely just from how utterly bad that case is.

Bad. Town just does it, you have to annouce WHY you are changing something. That is wolfy.

Or I'm showing emphasis on how much of an effect that case has on how I view the game.

I thought that was obvious.

Kinda a good thing so ayy?

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: mulch

Every game I've played the 1st post has always been "good morning literally"

Bad. Easy push on me. 1) you shouldent have to explain this. 2) I am the easiest person to push. 3) You have the wrong analysis for why it would be scummy, it would be that I am pushing on something that should not exist, and you didn't reationalize itl ike that, only that I am objectively wrong, which is factual and llgical, 2 things that sucm enfatuate themselves with.

WHY is it bad to push anyone?? Pushing is how we move forward. Heck, you're pushing people rn,

I'm

arguably an easy push.

[Carcalilly]

Thanks. ;_; It just set off a trigger for me, but I totally get where you're coming from.

Excuse language.


Ok, at this point this is enough
VOTE: Carcalilly

What?

[Carcalilly]

Taco you're doing me a concern ^

How?

I'm aware that I'm tunneling but you're the only one with enough posts to make something solid out of so...
This is about you,

Sergtaco

~ Also threw in a little bit of advice in there because why not

Topic: Klazam Suspicion

23- RVS vote
40- Saying that they're lurking??? (IMO: He's mentioned it many times with Klazam, yet, he hasn't mentioned anyone else who's lurking.)
60- Possible explanation as to why he's getting at them. ("Fight me"?)
124- A vote and scum read without evidence. (Low-key red flag )

IMO: Could this be a scum bussing attempt? Are you trying to get at Klazam? Why be persistent on it, especially with that vote in their absence? They have

one RVS post

.

Topic: Scumhunting

53- Initial show of strong opinions on scumhunting
63- He doesn't "believe in scumhunting" (IMO: It's a reasonable belief. However... keep reading)

IMO: You can consider scumhunting as NAI, but please don't emphasize being against it, as it can be discouraging. We want people to scumhunt, town or scum, because it STILL reveals information. Also, maybe focus on the

results.

This post is a highlight of my results, talking and questioning you was the hunting, for example.

Topic: Lightheartedness

!Now, I don't have anything against lightheartedness, but I just wanted to take this into account.!
IMO: Your posts have been very lighthearted, and I honestly enjoy talking to you because of that. However, I'm not going to ignore possible alt motives.
-I know that posting lightness can help emotionally when you are feeling heavy or guilty. Do you anything to feel guilty about, Taco?
-Provides distraction, keeps the game from moving forward.
-Appeal to emotion. Act friendly and get on people's good side.

Topic: Self Defense

A quick thing, but when I question him, he tends to turn it back against me.
84- A vote after a clash of opinions.
127- I'm suspicious of someone, and I'm "just saying that to look town"? Don't turn to that, that's a very easy and typical defense.

Defend. Yourself.

VOTE: Sergtacos
For now.

Anyway... someone else please come it. I don't like tunnel battles.

What the actual fuck is this? Is this the worst possible attempt at scumreading someone I have ever seen in my life?

Mind giving

constructive

criticism?
And, you said you wanted analysis.

People keep kicking this post. Someone please tell me what's wrong with it. I still don't think I did a bad job.

[Carcalilly]

I do too little they call me scummy
I do too much they call me scummy
Ffs

It's true tho

[Carcalilly]

Taco you're doing me a concern ^

How?

I'm aware that I'm tunneling but you're the only one with enough posts to make something solid out of so...
This is about you,

Sergtaco

~ Also threw in a little bit of advice in there because why not

Topic: Klazam Suspicion

23- RVS vote
40- Saying that they're lurking??? (IMO: He's mentioned it many times with Klazam, yet, he hasn't mentioned anyone else who's lurking.)
60- Possible explanation as to why he's getting at them. ("Fight me"?)
124- A vote and scum read without evidence. (Low-key red flag )

IMO: Could this be a scum bussing attempt? Are you trying to get at Klazam? Why be persistent on it, especially with that vote in their absence? They have

one RVS post

.

Topic: Scumhunting

53- Initial show of strong opinions on scumhunting
63- He doesn't "believe in scumhunting" (IMO: It's a reasonable belief. However... keep reading)

IMO: You can consider scumhunting as NAI, but please don't emphasize being against it, as it can be discouraging. We want people to scumhunt, town or scum, because it STILL reveals information. Also, maybe focus on the

results.

This post is a highlight of my results, talking and questioning you was the hunting, for example.

Topic: Lightheartedness

!Now, I don't have anything against lightheartedness, but I just wanted to take this into account.!
IMO: Your posts have been very lighthearted, and I honestly enjoy talking to you because of that. However, I'm not going to ignore possible alt motives.
-I know that posting lightness can help emotionally when you are feeling heavy or guilty. Do you anything to feel guilty about, Taco?
-Provides distraction, keeps the game from moving forward.
-Appeal to emotion. Act friendly and get on people's good side.

Topic: Self Defense

A quick thing, but when I question him, he tends to turn it back against me.
84- A vote after a clash of opinions.
127- I'm suspicious of someone, and I'm "just saying that to look town"? Don't turn to that, that's a very easy and typical defense.

Defend. Yourself.

VOTE: Sergtacos
For now.

Anyway... someone else please come it. I don't like tunnel battles.

What the actual fuck is this? Is this the worst possible attempt at scumreading someone I have ever seen in my life?

Welcome to my strongtown list.

Why, thanks for not just calling this post shit and giving insight on why it's bad!!1! So helpful.

You know what? Might be a spite post, might not be. "wall incoming"

That's not nice, she was trying.

From the posts you made and the effort you had about reading really makes me believe you're scum.

VOTE: Mulch

If he ain't nice I ain't gonna be nice.

[Carcalilly]

I did this all on my mobile phone so y'all should be proud.

Brandson is going first...

416 and 417: You low-key blamed me for trying to figure out the RVS interaction... and bring it more into the real game. I asked if it was related to the real game/if it was scummy etc.
Then,

you

go and question a oneliner.

422: This doesn't look too good to me. All the "would" and "why" swip swap could be a way for you to twist my intentions. I literally just said "why".

423: That is an extremely easy off the hook for an extremely scummy post. Are you just gonna like, walk past it and say, meh, looks normal cuz Tacobutt??

516: Good post. Just sayin'

521: New points were brought up. You didn't adress them, you just turned back, like "already taken care of"

767: Empiri made it clear that it was weighing pros and

cons

. Brandson still says it as "no downsides".

769 and 881: My my, things change don't they? It's easy jump on mulchs first posts, though.

Anyway, Mulch is up next.

[Carcalilly]

Actually, a quick note for Brandson first.
1. Tends to warp post intentions
2. Tends to backtrack

[Carcalilly]

Dude,, since we can't shitpost anymore, let's shitcontentpost??

I remember when everyone did long isos, long cases, etc. etc.
So I'm honestly so thrown off rn

I feel like staying up and playing y'all got me excited

[Carcalilly]

Also I've been getting a bad gut feelin' from Fykus for some reason,, if u didn't see my questioning before, it exists man.

Fykus, are you actually busy or? Your reasoning seems to be bare minimum if not absent in a lot of your points.

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: Klazam

I'm now sensing he's scum this game. I don't have any evidence towards him yet but just a feeling.

shows a lack of self perception and is perfectly reasonable

Also what the crap is this

[Carcalilly]

Hey guys I'm here, just finished reading 16 pages most of it being useless lol. Any questions for me in particular about my play style or whatever else yall can think of?

Psssst, I really wanna know your opinions on all the cases and such.

[Carcalilly]

Dude,, since we can't shitpost anymore, let's shitcontentpost??

I remember when everyone did long isos, long cases, etc. etc.
So I'm honestly so thrown off rn

I feel like staying up and playing y'all got me excited

That's what I've been doing xD I can't NOT shit post ugh. Shit posts are so amazing imo. Makes the game more fun and funny.

Anyway to your previous post you're right. Ugh this game is giving me a headache honestly. So many possible scums for different reasons, youre making me want to put you to null because of that previous post.

I so think the two scums are Tchill and Mulch, what's your opinion?

I'm a masochist, so gimme all the headaches. XD

Everyone's content seems to be good, actually.
I disagree with Tchill, it seems to me like he's being honest and open with his opinions. Same reason why I low-key like doodles' post.

TBH some of Bransons posts I didn't like for reasons I went over.
And Fykus kinda sheeped a couple times in ways I didn't like either.

[Carcalilly]

Also sorry for misspelling your username Branson, my phone keeps auto-correcting it to Brandon and I keep trying go fix it and agh

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: Carcalilly

So mulch is town, Branson is town too.

How is mulch town??

How is Branson town??

You're giving me scummy vibes

Mulch is town because of his case against carcalilly which I strongly agree with. Carcalilly is the only scum case that makes sense to me at this point. There's a lot of fluff with carcalilly, no real direction to her posts.

Know what, thats it this is pinging me hard. VOTE: Tchill

Oh he's town because of his case against carcalilly? A lot of people are making cases against her and you happen to read him as town because of that? If I remember correctly I was the first person to make the case and yet you sucm read me. I find it odd how you would town read mulch especially when he didn't read up until now but only up to page 9? You two are scums, period.

many people are reportedly town reading people for their case on me

[Carcalilly]

Also, if y'all thought my Taco case was bad, you should try building a case off of those first posts.

I shouldn't say this but I'm half asleep so
I'm honestly really glad with everything as it is rn. I like to fight. I like people getting involved. Low-key the purpose of a lot of my posts... So IDK, I feel really accomplished for some reason...

[Carcalilly]

And Fykus kinda sheeped a couple times in ways I didn't like either.

You mean like this

VOTE: branson

wow
just
wow

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: Carcalilly

You're at L-2 now.

L-1 is where the real stuffs at

[Carcalilly]

581 seems too oblivious, like if he hasn't read the game why is he voting all over the place and on wagons?

I agree with this. Also, trying to look oblivious could be a way to look town? As they're the uninformed.

[Carcalilly]

581 seems too oblivious, like if he hasn't read the game why is he voting all over the place and on wagons?

I agree with this. Also, trying to look oblivious could be a way to look town? As they're the uninformed.

Wanna vote for mulch? I'll be gladly to switch my vote on to him since I think he's scum too

Not yet, I want him to respond to my responses first...

[Carcalilly]

581 seems too oblivious, like if he hasn't read the game why is he voting all over the place and on wagons?

I agree with this. Also, trying to look oblivious could be a way to look town? As they're the uninformed.

If you vote for Mulch I'll jump on and take less flak for lynching town. I won't just vote him and push him though or that will make me look bad

FTFY

vedith plz
that caused me way more confusion than necessary...

[Carcalilly]

I'm sorry but that was just such a bad post from Taco!

I can definitely see that...

@Tacobutt, buddy me

after

the game

[Carcalilly]

Well what would you like me to say vedith? So I'm your 1st big scum read this game? Do you have any strong town reads yet?

No, not yet!
I'm waiting for people to woo me!

its so hard for me not to respond to this with a bad meme fml

Any opinions on the arguments and cases goin' around?

[Carcalilly]

I also like 139 from a town mind.

You're the first one. ;__;

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: Fykus

Boonskies gave a read list but I don't think Fykus has even done that.

Fykus did give a readlist.
A bland one(s'pecially compared on Boon's), but its a readlist.

Not sure how I feel about the wagon on tacos atm. To me it seems like over enthusiastic newb town or something. Like as soon as people started to call them out on the spam they've kind of completely closed off to the game, sort of like they got their feelings hurt or something. Heres a bit of a readlist I've compiled though, I intend to try and get through some ISO's or possibly attempt to re-read the game, as painful as that will be.

Please note, readlist isn't in order:

town
empiricus
taco
twoface

null
tchill13
carcalily
mulch

scum
klazam

[Carcalilly]

On Day 1 we'd get more information from another lynch but if that continues from those slots if they're town scum will want to take them to the end so yes they should be lynched eventually. I'd just like to get as much information as possible from the 1st day and night phases.

Hey, if they're not doing anything now, we should pressure one.
I'm going to push one of them, which one, Boonskiies or Fykus?

Already tried a bit of both,, Fykus is still very unresponsive

[Carcalilly]

Branson thoughts on sergtacos and Carcalilly really lined up with mine. Other than the self Meta thing she proclaimed dead null I just don't know how to take the self meta thing. Then mulch makes THE point for scum Carcalilly.

Branson quotes and says welcome to my strong town list. So Branson is town for me at this point.

You realise how ridicules that sounds, right?

The bolded part especially. As Tacobutt has kind of pointed out before.

[Carcalilly]

Fykus also seems to have a weird relationship with mulch throughout the game, puts him in null, then votes/unvotes him and then says outright that they're scumbuddies, which might be joking but then again could be truthtelling.

IKR.
Maybe they're WIFOMing...

[Carcalilly]

What do you guys think about DunkerDoodles?

I want more from them. A

lot

more.

[Carcalilly]

idk he just pings me as scummy, I could go for a dunkerlynch

I dont see anything particularly scummy in their posts
Tho they hardly have anything

[Carcalilly]

They just FEEL scunmmy to me lol

They FEEL innocent to me
I think it's because of the bluejay profile pic tbh

[Carcalilly]

TBH I only have seen one post of his and that's just scummy lol

Spoiler:

I'm sorry I can't not

Anyway, @Boon, are you generally busy?
Also, Mulch, if you want you can respond to my responses on your case on me...;;

[Carcalilly]

I don't really like responding to that stuff, I would rather answer questions from other people.
@Carcilly who are your scumreads rn?

Bwahhhh okay...

The only people who're really significant rn are Fykus and Branson as I said before

[Carcalilly]

Lynching me pre Day 3 is just a policy lynch.

Is this your ego?

[Carcalilly]

Lynching me pre Day 3 is just a policy lynch.

Is this your ego?

Legit, to me he's either on edge or it's just his ego. So little posts and yet can already see it.

[Carcalilly]

@Vedith - I don't see Emp as an easy vote for people. For some reason, many are town reading him. I'm also wondering: why did this happen? ^ especially considering you stated Tchill's only thing on Emp was a town read statement.

Who town reads Emp?

Me!
Though it's been a while since I last looked at their posts. I'll take a second look.

[Carcalilly]

So I voted fykus on vedith's suggestion then a wagon forms on me? Thinks buddy lol.

That wagon escalated really dang quickly

[Carcalilly]

So I voted fykus on vedith's suggestion then a wagon forms on me? Thinks buddy lol.

That wagon escalated really dang quickly

Do you doubt me?

I honestly read you as strongly town rn
But still, it came around fast. Like, I just got outta a movie and it all piled up. Gimme a sec to soak it in.

[Carcalilly]

And if you're voting Tchill, why are you trying to bail him out?

Are you asking me?

yep. You are giving him an out by asking if he'll join you on doodle's.

I think Doodles is more scummy than him

Why the heck are there so many "hey vote this guy with me"s???

[Carcalilly]

Also doodles and Fykus have hardly anything on them wth?
The only thing against them is mostly gut. :/

Also thats a VT claim by Tchill right?

[Carcalilly]

VOTE DOODLES

WHY

[Carcalilly]

If he claimed already, I want him lynched. PR more likely to be killed if we continue.

wait what who claimed?

carca said Tchill claimed VT, but I don't think he did.

Low-key did

So if the wagon goes through... Do these guys get major town cred when I flip vanilla townie?

[Carcalilly]

Idk I just really like the townie motivation for "he isn't scumhunting" whihc is literally the best reason to scumhunt anyone ever except for gutreads imo

yeah gotta love them gutreads.

I'm not being sarcastic, I think they are more reliable than logic reads

as someone who's gut reads are wrong 90% of the time

ew

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: mulch

That's twice you've bussed.

??bussed?????

[Carcalilly]

I don't do a lot to "look" townie. I do a lot to lynch scum.

I needed this

[Carcalilly]

oh, he did. You are right.

Yeah, Tchill's the lynch for the day. Absolutely nobody else should claim this day phase; only helps scum sort who they want to kill.

How'd you miss that boonskies? For someone that didn't participate in rvs and only made 1 huge catchup you're doing a lot to look townie. Vedith is the reason I'm in this predicament anyways yet you tried to claim the majority of it.

Also, all Vedith did was say he could vote you. I actually don't see any cases made by Vedith, so that's kind of extremely flawed what you said. He pressured you, sure, but he didn't make actual cases or point out contradictions in your posts, as I did.

Uh, I have to disagree with you there.

VOTE: Chilly

I urge everyone to vote here.
I am his best friend and I read him better than anyone!

This like.... started a train.

[Carcalilly]

Also, Tchill just had me on the top tier of his read list then stated "to look townie", so...there are no drawbacks to lynching him after his VT claim.

1: We don't out any other roles, which means scum have a hard time hitting potential PRs.
2: We get PLENTY of information from Tchill lynch.
3: Worst case scenario, we lose a VT.

No draw backs. We run the risk of plenty of drawbacks if we go further.

To be fair, I am the type of person who likes a 20-30 page Day 1, and I like being able to sit out of Day 1 entirely if I can. Day 1-2's are meh.

Also, if he flips scum, I'm most likely dead, so you don't have to deal with me. Been getting NK'd often recently, so in general, I may get NK'd.

I'm honestly good with how this looks. It is looking beneficial in terms of pros and cons rn.
VOTE: tchill13

THIS PUTS HIM AT L-1. PLEASE, DO NOT HAMMER UNTIL HE'S HAD A FINAL WORD. ALSO, PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE AN INTENT TO HAMMER, SAY SO.

[Carcalilly]

Can we fucking lynch Mulch? I think it's silly how we haven't started a train on Mulch, doesn't any of his posts sound scummy to yall?

Honestly, totally up for fighting with Mulch some more.

[Carcalilly]

Lel let's hammer

plz no lol hammer

[Carcalilly]

I'm scum and so is Tchill and Mulch.

Did anyone see this? He admitted scum and revealed his team. He should be permanent banned.

the fuck is this?

VOTE: taco

no. Also, the doodles thing is gut based

??????????????????????????????

[Carcalilly]

if chilly flips town then we should probably look into vedith tomorrow

You think?

yup

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: Carcalilly

Easy game, easy money!

you always confused me, Vedith

[Carcalilly]

Ok so why is Carcalilly scummy enough to vote over me now?

Because I'm always right.

*boon ain't the only one with an ego

[Carcalilly]

THIS PUTS HIM AT L-1. PLEASE, DO NOT HAMMER UNTIL HE'S HAD A FINAL WORD. ALSO, PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE AN INTENT TO HAMMER, SAY SO.

This.

they always did this for us in the newbie games...

[Carcalilly]

THIS PUTS HIM AT L-1. PLEASE, DO NOT HAMMER UNTIL HE'S HAD A FINAL WORD. ALSO, PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE AN INTENT TO HAMMER, SAY SO.

This.

they always did this for us in the newbie games...

We didn't do it in our game!

but but.......

[Carcalilly]

Also, he was already at L-1. He should be saying his "Last Words" right now, and he's waiting until L-1 again. This wagon doesn't need to be stalled anymore.

maybe he's typing?

[Carcalilly]

or not,,,

[Carcalilly]

Vedith you were the chosen one. You were supposed to bring balance back to this mafia game.

I saw how people treated you and that made me hate!
Now I'm killing the young ones!

Kill.. *gasp* KILL the young ones? Well I'd fight you right now but you've got the high ground. You know what they say about the high ground.

its a scum crumb

i rhymed

[Carcalilly]

lol

[Carcalilly]

huh now im confused

[Carcalilly]

Ugh I just woke up
So many pages

[Carcalilly]

UNVOTE:

Two reasons

One, I want to see what other people will say

Two, I want to be that guy that gets to hammer so I can post my Thor Gif. It looks epic.

Taco's you really are something else. I should've known when I seen your avi.

Ikr!!!!

[Carcalilly]

Like, I'm literally about to death tunnel Taco by how scummy he's playing right now.

Been there, done that, it doesn't work lmfao

[Carcalilly]

Carcalilly went quiet to avoid focus.

She has a life.

Only scum go outside.

Then I guess I'm scum

[Carcalilly]

Boonskies has quite the ego, or eggo rather, I didn't see that coming.

I could sense it from a mile away tbh