Mini 1916: Buttersnap Shitfuckery Scum PT

[Rautherdir]

I'm FINALLY Scum!

Okay, here is my role pm, which should make it interesting for me.

Rautherdir: Mafia Redshirt

Welcome, Arsehole!

You are Baron Stoke,

Mafia Redshirt

and the villain from

The Eye of the Hunter

. You have no active ability aside from being able to perform the factional kill. You win with the scum

only

if lynched before the game ends.

Your partners are Aristophanes the Mafia Rolecop, Chimchar the Mafia Poisoner, and Vegito the Mafia Janitor. You may communicate with your partners by day and night here

You win when all members of the town have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring, as long as you get lynched first

The game thread is here. Please confirm with your role and alignment

Speaking of which does this count as confirming?

[Rautherdir]

And that first comment was made without considering what my alignment in active games is btw. In case any of you replace into that game before it ends in a few real-life days.

[Rautherdir]

Alright, I'll be perfectly serious from this point on. Maybe...

I fully plan on including all of you as hard scum reads past RVS. Mostly because I fully plan on scum reading literally everyone except 3 to 5 other people, which you should help me decide and who our amazing Janitor should scrub so that they don't flip correctly. And that should take care of a few days after I get lynched, since town shouldn't figure out they made a mistake until after they have lynched through all of that, and depending on how late it starts it could guarantee a win. To reinforce the fact that they are succeeding our poisoner should stop acting after a point to give the illusion that the role got lynched. Unless you want to try something else but I fully intend on getting lynched at some point.

[Rautherdir]

Yeah. Having day chat should help us plan stuff out.

p-edit: I intend to claim Baron Stoke: Jester if put up to it. Or maybe just laugh and self-hammer.

[Rautherdir]

OOOH I know what I can do...
I can claim Jester that ends the game on death.

[Rautherdir]

By which I mean soft-claim.

[Rautherdir]

Wait I want to get lynched...

[Rautherdir]

.... Oh that might be perfect.

[Rautherdir]

I'd want to see a town flip before making fake claims though. Except mine because of my slightly different win condition.

[Rautherdir]

Yeah I was wondering about that, was pretty sure it was only me. I do want to last at least a day or two so I can establish... "connections"

[Rautherdir]

Oh... Hey Nacho! Been a little bit since our last game.

[Rautherdir]

Alright, I think I'll go with this as my base reads list:
Town:
Rautherdir
Deadline Delivery(Mathblade + Nancy)
Chickadee
Leonshade

Null:
Socrates
Almost Chara (Almost50+ Not Chara)
Radical Rat

Scum:
Vegito (Majiffy+ Nachomamma8)
Aristophanes
Pim
Chimchar
Piggygal15
schadd_

Not going to straight up post this in the main thread, or reveal this all at once: I'll have some dynamics to this as people make mistakes, etc.
The players I listed as town or null, with the exception of me, should probably be scrubbed first. Players I listed as scum should be night kills, with the exception of you lot. Poisons are up to you Chimchar. In addition I think no killing the first night might be a good idea to see if any protections/roleblockers/bulletproofs step up and claim. Poison should still be a thing though.

p-edit: Okay. If you have to claim, everyone claim their own name, and Chimchar claim something like poison doctor, Aristophanes claim Rolecop, and Vegito claim... uh... I don't know.

[Rautherdir]

I know. My win condition requires me to be lynched.

[Rautherdir]

It meant before the game ends, as far as I am aware.

[Rautherdir]

If we can find the poison doctor, scrub them, and then kill them, yes.

[Rautherdir]

Don't worry, I do not plan on going suicidal this game. Until I am put to L-1 that is.

[Rautherdir]

Should I claim 3rd party here?

[Rautherdir]

Do they have a lie detector?

[Rautherdir]

I'll see if I can get away with not saying anything about my alignment for now.

[Rautherdir]

That is actually a very good idea that I had not thought of.

[Rautherdir]

That... Actually worked. Wow.

[Rautherdir]

You know what, I'm going to run with this.

[Rautherdir]

That was actually a lie.

[Rautherdir]

I really don't have a good explanation for why I haven't been posting.

[Rautherdir]

I mean I guess I should be, but I'm trying to ignore it. I have a national competition in 2 weeks.

[Rautherdir]

Eh, I don't really want to do reads right now... I'll find a reason though after a read-through. It'll probably be a ridiculous reason so as to make you read town after I flip, but I will find a reason.

Skills Competition. Going in for Information Technology Services.

[Rautherdir]

The problem will be finding a reason that looks good at this point in the game, but will look like scum looking for a mislynch later on after I flip.

[Rautherdir]

I had not considered that. So I probably should play town then. Which means I need to change how I'm playing and probably find you to be towny later on. Though you all can scum read me so it looks like I was a NK target.

[Rautherdir]

NOT a NK target, a mislynch.

[Rautherdir]

Also someone should call Shadoweh-Vegito hard unalignment due to Majiffy not realizing she replaced in; was planning on making it us but then thought it might actually get some towncred if someone else did it

How should I go about doing that?
I'm thinking it would probably be best for me to do that shortly before I post my reads-list, as if I stumbled upon it while forming it.

[Rautherdir]

What I have so far:

Early reads list was interesting, not sure if that is AI or not.
Second reads list, why am I town? Several people actually mentioned this, If you put me in town-null that would possibly make sense but I guess you don't make that distinction? The hydra dissonance I think is actually town AI if I'm not wrong.
Several good points in the next few posts, you do appear to be genuinely game-solving.
You actually gave a reason for your read on me in your third reads list which I actually kind of like.
And that is actually a fairly decent reason to vote Schadd_ that I hadn't considered. To be fair Schadd_ and Prism will probably have a bit of trouble following their posting restrictions, Leon should only have minor difficulties, and my non-existant posting restriction is only annoying when talking about specific subjects. I might have gone on a tangent there, but TLDR those of us with posting restrictions should have a more difficult time, well, posting.
Okay. 324. What. Like seriously. What. {Need to complete this.}
326 too. {Continue previous thought}
337 Thanks for figuring it out.
The rest is pretty good. Nacho ninjaing Jiffy was pretty funny.
So yeah those posts actually had pretty nice content so I'm going to feel safe town-reading you.

[Rautherdir]

Well those post links are broken in here.

[Rautherdir]

Early reads list was interesting, not sure if that is AI or not.
Second reads list, why am I town? Several people actually mentioned this, If you put me in town-null that would possibly make sense but I guess you don't make that distinction? The hydra dissonance I think is actually town AI if I'm not wrong.
Several good points in the next few posts, you do appear to be genuinely game-solving.
You actually gave a reason for your read on me in your third reads list which I actually kind of like.
And that is actually a fairly decent reason to vote Schadd_ that I hadn't considered. To be fair Schadd_ and Prism will probably have a bit of trouble following their posting restrictions, Leon should only have minor difficulties, and my non-existant posting restriction is only annoying when talking about specific subjects. I might have gone on a tangent there, but TLDR those of us with posting restrictions should have a more difficult time, well, posting.
Okay. 324. What. Like seriously. What. Well that implies you two are not scum on the same team.
326 too. Pretty much confirms you two aren't buddies.
337 Thanks for figuring it out.
The rest is pretty good. Nacho ninjaing Jiffy was pretty funny.
So yeah those posts actually had pretty nice content so I'm going to feel safe town-reading you.

If those post links try to link in here when I post in the main thread I am going to be so annoyed. A possible continuation of the 324-326 argument here, not sure if it's good or not.

[Rautherdir]

The one Nacho? made that only had Leon as town.

[Rautherdir]

Also Bel:
Take that page top. Left it wide open for you.

[Rautherdir]

Made a few minor modifications, and I'm pretty sure the post links worked, so hopefully that will help reinforce a town read on me.
Also, pretty sure all of those with posting restrictions are town, so my fake one should help with that after my flip comes up scrubbed. You know, since they won't see my actual role they should assume that I was telling the truth. You do have to stay alive for that though.

[Rautherdir]

Wow those pagetops go away fast.

[Rautherdir]

How am I going to get town-read...
I think a push on schadd_ might be good.

[Rautherdir]

I feel like pushing Prism on fakeclaiming might be a good idea

[Rautherdir]

Thinking about posting this in the main thread:

Wait... We had a townie flip with a wagon formed on him.
We can analyze that.
Really, it's just like we entered Day 2 with no night kill or other actions. And you know with only a few votes, one of which was Jesus.
Shadoweh, Vegito, Piggygal15, Leonshade
So... Anyone want to limit the lynch-pool to this?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

[Rautherdir]

Any suggestions for these?

Spoiler: Questions

Vegito
Do you think there are 3 Scum? 4? 5? Multiball?

Shadoweh
Why are you voting me?

Almost Chara
Do you have any scum reads?

Aristophanes
When are you getting back?

Chickadee
In your 489 you said you had a thought about opposing post restrictions being opposing alignments. What do you think about it now?

Prism
Do you have a post restriction or not?

Deadline Delivery
Did you actually inherit schadd's post restriction?

Chimchar
What are your current reads?

Piggygal15
Could I have some reads from you as well?

Socrates
What are your complete reads right now?

Leonshade
Do you think everyone with posting restrictions is town or not?

Spoiler: Reads

Vegito: Town
NACHO!!!
Anyways on top of meta experience from a while ago (Which I have to admit is somewhat complicated due to me not having experience with Jiffy) you have a lot of good content, your hydra dissonance (like I have already said) feels towny, and I have already given my read on you.

Shadoweh: null-town
Radical Rat was the one who started me on the normal/not-normal thing.
I didn't quite understand it at the time, but I figured out what I did (And avoided what would have probably been a modkill if I had answered that question differently.) Actually, it was Schadd_ who stopped me from continuing with that, so I don't know.
Anyways the fact that your slot started the normal/not-normal debacle and you haven't been as engaged as I like to see is why you are null, the fact you are trying to keep this game on track is why it is town.

Almost Chara: Null
I don't know about you. I've played with Almost50 before but I can't remember off the top of my head how his meta compares.
Not very much content, no serious scum reads that I can see... I don't know if this is town or scum, but it does sound like you will be doing something soon.

Aristophanes: Scum
Okay, honestly I get the feeling you are buddying Deadline Delivery. There's not really much to this read. I just really do not like some of the ways you have been posting.

Chickadee: Town
Your reads are really good. Also not much to this read either.

Prism: Null
It makes too much sense for you to be opposite Schadd_/Deadline Delivery's posting restriction. Why go back on it? I don't have a good feeling that you are town, but I don't know for sure if that is because you are scum.

Deadline Delivery: Town
I have to admit this is just because I think the posting restriction is town-locked. Well, not just that.

Chimchar: Null
Nothing really to read here. Hoping you do get to posting.

Piggygal15: Null
Well, first of all, two of my scum-reads are voting you. But that could be bussing.
I also see you posting content but it is honestly somewhat difficult to extract from the rest of your posts.

Socrates: Scum
To start with:
41 felt like it was trying to get schadd_ mislynched.
105 read to me like "Yeah, because you'll be the one pulling the trigger."
While the 'you trying to signal your scum-buddies' argument wasn't great, you're response to it was just as bad.
236 is more trying to get schadd_ mislynched, and additionally trying to pull Prism in if things don't work out.
238 would be a good explanation if everything else about this didn't scream 'you are scum'
346 Moving to Prism. Was that so you could get off of the schadd_ wagon before it flipped?
497 Well, you're just poking everyone, aren't you?
One of the things I find most interesting is that while you were clearly suspicious of schadd_ you moved your vote off and didn't put it back on.

Leonshade: Town
Again, I think the posting restrictions, specifically if they are recurring, are town.

[Rautherdir]

None.

[Rautherdir]

3 statements:
I do not have a posting restriction.
I am able to truthfully talk about my role.
I am able to talk about my alignment at all.

And their negations:
I have a posting restriction.
I am not able to truthfully talk about my role.
I am not able to talk about my alignment at all.

If this role actually existed you would be able to talk about your role like this, by simply stating the negation in a way that makes it obvious what you are saying. There's a few other tricks you could do, like:
I can say that I do not have a posting restriction.
I can say that I can not truthfully talk about my role.
I can say that I can not talk about my alignment at all.

These statement are actually false, and thus would be valid to say even with that posting restriction. However that would probably confuse people so I'll go with simple negations for now, the problem being that as the above demonstrates integrating those negations into other statements complicates the false/true values of sentences. Which is why I am hesitant to keep talking in case I accidentally mess up and someone catches me on it after I fail to get mod-killed for breaking my 'posting restriction'.

If someone were to implement this posting restriction, modifying it to 'You cannot talk about your role, and you cannot say what your alignment is' would work better, so as to avoid the loophole I have been 'exploiting'

[Rautherdir]

Ari it's your own fault for not getting back into the game sooner.

[Rautherdir]

Yeah. I think we are still planning on getting me scrubbed so it looks like I get mislynched at a later date.

[Rautherdir]

I honestly didn't know you were already voting Aristophanes. I guess you didn't either though so...

[Rautherdir]

Maybe. We'll see how the town reacts to this. At any rate we have hopefully split the scum team apart in people's minds so at least one of should end up getting town-read by most everyone.

[Rautherdir]

Oh great I just realized something:
As town I am usually the one pushing lurker lynches. We'll see if anyone picks up on that.

[Rautherdir]

Then again I'm kind of doing that right now with Aristo, just Aristo has more content than Chimchar.

[Rautherdir]

I would have done this as town too, so I hope the unvote turns out okay.

[Rautherdir]

Alright that's fine. We might be able to get a push on Piggy, or we can push a bit more and go for a no lynch if that could help us. I think Aristo is fine given what Socrates just did, and you should be fine as long as you actually get back into the game.

[Rautherdir]

It might be dangerous proposing a method to find a lynch pool that will have at least one of our members in the crosshairs, but I honestly think we are probably going to run out of time to lynch someone anyways.

[Rautherdir]

No. I'm saying something is wrong with it. Which is probably that all of the scum are disagreeing over each other because three of us are in the spotlight for lynching.

[Rautherdir]

Yeah, I'm trying to back out of that corner now. If only Chimchar were here to help...

[Rautherdir]

If anyone asks me:
"It's just AIDS sounds like it would work more like poison."

[Rautherdir]

If anyone asks me:
"It's just AIDS sounds like it would work more like poison."

Because it kills you slowly after you're infected, right?

Technically, AIDS doesn't actually kill you. It only lets a host of other usually non-lethal diseases kill you.

[Rautherdir]

Oh yay! Honestly I don't think enough people are here for a lynch on anyone other than you, and obviously I would rather 'confirm' your claim than lynch you.

Yeah, I'm hoping other people see it that way as well.

[Rautherdir]

my role PM doesn't say how AIDS works. It just says I can prevent it. I can only prevent, not cure it.
the second vote remains at lylo, but disappears as soon as I die.

how's this?

That should be good since it prevents a real poison doctor from counter claiming as well. Prevents you from counter-claiming them as well... but that shouldn't matter.

[Rautherdir]

And in last few pages of that day, only scum posted. We do need to be careful not to agree too much, or people might catch on.

[Rautherdir]

Not entirely sure how we are going to do that. I guess we'll figure something out.

[Rautherdir]

How we are going to do what? Get you lynched?

Yeah. Also, yay Leon is here. Now to stall 23 minutes?

[Rautherdir]

VOTE: Piggygal, Piggygal
Should I?

[Rautherdir]

Double-vote.

[Rautherdir]

Confusion + Need to get lynched tomorrow.

[Rautherdir]

That should work

[Rautherdir]

Yeah, and when someone gets the notification that they got aids it should confirm your role.

[Rautherdir]

And in last few pages of that day, only scum posted.

And Leonshade. And technically Belisarius once he gets here.

[Rautherdir]

Well hopefully someone else will push my lynch tomorrow. AC or Socrates maybe?

[Rautherdir]

So are we going to make it look like a mislynch on town, or are we letting me flip correctly?

[Rautherdir]

Okay. Yeah let me think about this for a bit.

[Rautherdir]

So depending on what we do tomorrow:
5 Town 4 Scum
The next day it will be
3 town 3 scum
So yeah. That's assuming no Vig kills or correct investigations on us.

[Rautherdir]

And there goes the wrench into our plans. Maybe.

[Rautherdir]

An argument could be made that I am the poisoner. Tomorrow though, not tonight.

[Rautherdir]

Strategy: Tomorrow Chimchar gives someone AIDS, hopefully they claim it, and then I post the following in the main thread:
"WTF that isn't who I targeted, maybe there's a redirector?"
And then Shitfuckery breaks loose.

[Rautherdir]

Okay then, now for who to kill! I'm thinking shooting Chickadee and Chimchar poisoning Socrates, Shadoweh, or Almost Chara.

[Rautherdir]

Okay let me reformat this
I should be shooting so that if a tracker sees me then I get conf!scum and everything is good.

My suggestion is
Shoot: Chickadee
Poison: Shadoweh
Rolecop: Leonshade
Scrub: Rautherdir

Any other suggestions?

[Rautherdir]

Right. Prism might be a good hit for poison, maybe Leonshade.

[Rautherdir]

No, because I am going to be the lynch tomorrow.

[Rautherdir]

Said with all the confidence of scum knowing they won't be the night-kill.

[Rautherdir]

I'm just going to lurk this out for a bit, so feel free to ask questions in the main thread. I won't be answering them.

[Rautherdir]

And now time to straight-up scumslip. Also I think shenanigans.

[Rautherdir]

Yeah. I know.

[Rautherdir]

Aristophanes can you unvote Chimchar for a bit so I don't hammer

[Rautherdir]

So I'm thinking I'll claim cop with a guilty on Chimchar and vote them, if no one else counter claims than Nacho/Jiffy counterclaim me with your own night 1 investigation.

Claiming an innocent on Chimchar at this point would be stupid and get Chimchar killed.

[Rautherdir]

Actually, don't counter claim. You won't need to.

[Rautherdir]

I have no idea what I'm doing so I'm doing anything that comes to mind and hoping I get lynched because of it.

[Rautherdir]

... I think this will work.

[Rautherdir]

Also, Nacho you need to get in the game.

[Rautherdir]

Well hopefully the person who roleblocked Chimchar will realize that since I have AIDS then Chimchar doesn't have the ability to give AIDS.

[Rautherdir]

Oh I hope this works. I really hope this works, because suddenly my play which has basically been random makes sense to him.

[Rautherdir]

... Great. I hadn't thought about that.

[Rautherdir]

UGH... I'm trying to work that into our plan. You should be scrubbed night 2 so that they think you were town. Hopefully then Chimchar and Vegito get town-read and coast to end-game.

[Rautherdir]

Jiffy? Nacho? Either of you want to post in the main thread sometime?

[Rautherdir]

Nope.

[Rautherdir]

BEL... YOU MESSED UP AGAIN...

I'm the only one who has to be lynched. Yours was a mistake with copy/paste that apparently didn't get fixed.

[Rautherdir]

Well, that was six seconds off.

[Rautherdir]

I have fake-claimed (sort of) Jester with a posting restriction that prevents them from claiming their role or alignment.

[Rautherdir]

The problem will not be voting me. The problem is convincing everyone else that Chimchar is town.

[Rautherdir]

... Wow... Maybe other people will make that mistake too.

[Rautherdir]

Hey Aristophanes, if you brought up the little fact that you got a pm at the start of this day it might help.

[Rautherdir]

Oh well. Sorry Chim, but on the bright side if we can convince town that they are in LYLO each following day I can probably become Kingmaker (sort of). I guess the sad part is that if we do end up doing that and all of you are dead I'll win the game for you but not me.

[Rautherdir]

Scrub Aristophanes, if they think Aristo was town so much the better, they'll be looking for too many scum.

[Rautherdir]

Also I know I never explicitly said I have AIDS, so I'm safe there.

[Rautherdir]

Well. Not sure how to go from here.

[Rautherdir]

I'll be doing kills from now on I think. Don't think anyone will roleblock me.

[Rautherdir]

Not sure if I should have, but I wasn't on at that time and it worked out anyways, so... Yeah I don't know. And I guess now they'll be looking for only one person.

[Rautherdir]

Rautherdir will kill Almost50

Almost50 is dying. One way or the other.

[Rautherdir]

Okay. Don't rolecop A50 though, he is getting targeted with a full commute (As long as Shadoweh keeps his word.)
Prism might be better.

[Rautherdir]

Leonshade is a watcher or redirector of some sort, he leaves a message with anyone he visits.
Almost50 is unknown
Shadoweh is jailkeeper (roleblocks target and makes them completely untargetable)
Socrates is a 1-shot rolefucker who recieved a box with a 1-shot cop investigation (meaning we have a role which can do that.)
Prism is unknown (but decided to do a 'posting empowerment')
I am a Redshirt
You are a rolecop

Dead:
Chimchar was a poisoner
Transcend was a janitor
Schadd_ was a post-restricted townie
Deadline Delivery was an universal backup
Piggygal was an apothecary
Chickadee was a 1-shot role-stealer

We know that Shadoweh targeted Chimchar and Transcend
We know that Leonshade targeted Almost50 and you

Prism or Almost50 gave Socrates the box. Since we know Almost50 is probably getting jailkept then

Aristophanes should rolecop Prism

If Prism turns out to be something that can't give roles, we know what A50's role is (sort of.)
I also think Almost50 crumbed what his role is in his first post.

[Rautherdir]

Shadoweh is the most dangerous currently. Leonshade is the next most dangerous. Socrates is probably dangerous as well. Almost50 could be convinced to give me abilities (If he is an inventor.) Prism is a wild-card currently.

[Rautherdir]

Okay. Don't rolecop A50 though, he is getting targeted with a full commute (As long as Shadoweh keeps his word.)
Prism might be better.

Then why would we kill them!?!?!?

Rolecop Leon

It was moreso to make sure Shadoweh will actually do what they say, in case you decide to go to MYLO with him. Leon might be an actually good target, but I would save that for a later day. My hope with A50 was to both test Shadoweh for trustworthiness in claimed night action, and to possibly get A50 mislynched (Or, of course, straight up night-killed). The problem with killing someone else is that A50 will be 'conf-town' after this, until I flip.

[Rautherdir]

However, Shadoweh is a good kill as well, and a power-role that can directly influence win or loss.

[Rautherdir]

Well. We know what all of the roles are then. You get to decide how to handle this from now on I guess.
I guess the problem with Shadoweh is that they are an obvious doc target, but since that is gone... All you have to worry about is someone coming in and watching him while you kill. Kill Leonshade and let Prism get mislynched. A50 is inventor, so I was right about that, which means everyone is accounted for. Leonshade is an unknown however. Hopefully you can WIFOM out a win if Leonshade targets you while you target someone else with your role-block. Or Prism could do that as well.

[Rautherdir]

No kill tonight and get A50 lynched tomorrow I guess. Better to keep the number of conf-town down, and prevent them from confirming you as scum in the future from that. Use the fact that you can do something that isn't a kill or a roleblock to help you.

[Rautherdir]

Especially try and get Shadoweh lynched. For some reason he never mentioned that his role is a full-commute, so people think there is a roleblocker.