UK Pol - #independenceday

[Randomnamechange]

im confused about why though. if it's poor gains in teh election its weird he waited this long.
derf glad to be rid of him though. I actually thought Nick Clegg was a decent person and it was p horrible to see Tim Farron as the follow up.

[zoraster]

nick clegg to me seemed fine with the exception of the poorly considered coalition deal. But that was a pretty big one.

[Randomnamechange]

yeah. he wasnt a brilliant leader but his resignation speech was incredibly good.

[Randomnamechange]

whereas milliband's made him look like a nob

[Randomnamechange]

i cri evry tim

[Max]

I hope ur all enjoying our independence day xoxox

[Randomnamechange]

i feel like this could REALLY use a bump right now

[Randomnamechange]

basically everything is going to shit the government is collapsing votes are being called people are resigning it is on

[mutantdevle]

It would have been funny if Gove resigned immediately.

[Nexus]

He's a fucking cockroach

[Randomnamechange]

the most punchable face of all time

[zoraster]

Bumping this. Had discussions in other places, but given an election is relatively likely to be agreed on for mid-december, here we go!

You'd imagine such a dysfunctional government would lead to major losses, but that's not what appears to be most likely now.

[Xtoxm]

idk if its actually going to pass, its needs 2/3s of mps. all opposition parties except labour oppose it, and plenty of individual labour mps oppose it even if corbyn decides to support it.

[Nexus]

lol fuck this country

[zoraster]

idk if its actually going to pass, its needs 2/3s of mps. all opposition parties except labour oppose it, and plenty of individual labour mps oppose it even if corbyn decides to support it.

Do they? I'd imagine LDs are itching for an election that focuses on Brexit.

Only SNP seems really anti general election? But even then, I'm not sure they're anti GE so much as anti passing a bunch of brexit bills in advance of it, which is fair enough. Will Johnson waver on that? I'm not sure, but I'm more confident in that than I was a GE was likely mid-October.

[Xtoxm]

"Labour appears poised to block Boris Johnson’s offer of a pre-Christmas general election on 12 December by telling MPs to abstain in Monday’s vote.

The party has previously said that it would back an early election when a no-deal Brexit scenario could be firmly ruled out, and has twice rejected attempts by Johnson to go to the polls before 2022."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... l-election

[Davsto]

what's the chance that the GE would be any earlier

bc any risk of it being earlier than that and i need to get a postal vote

[zoraster]

"Labour appears poised to block Boris Johnson’s offer of a pre-Christmas general election on 12 December by telling MPs to abstain in Monday’s vote.

The party has previously said that it would back an early election when a no-deal Brexit scenario could be firmly ruled out, and has twice rejected attempts by Johnson to go to the polls before 2022."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... l-election

right but to me this isn't an outright rejection of the GE, reading between the lines. I have to believe that Johnson really

does

want a GE and does want his crummy deal, which if he wins a larger majority and gets rid of Tory rebels (which I assume is the purpose of the withdrawal of the whip) he can do without having to worry about the DUP. And if that's the case, he's going to be willing to make those assurances. He doesn't need to negotiate with the EU anymore either, so his "reasoning" for not ruling out no-deal isn't there.

Of course, Labour might reject it even so because they know they're going to lose in the GE. But eventually Labour is actually going to have to contest an election. And if Europe isn't convinced that Labour is going to allow a GE until 2022, why would it agree to an extension at all? Just allow a no-deal brexit or Johnson's deal to go through and finally be done with this.

[Xtoxm]

Unlikely Johnson can afford to rule out no deal ahead of a GE, for political reasons, regardless of what he wants. I'm assuming Corbyn will demand legislation preventing no deal, so Johnson can't just lie about it.

And if Europe isn't convinced that Labour is going to allow a GE until 2022, why would it agree to an extension at all? Just allow a no-deal brexit or Johnson's deal to go through and finally be done with this.

Because the EU don't want brexit at all. They would rather give continual extensions or reverse entirely. They aren't the ones who voted for this.

“We should be ready for every scenario, but one thing must be clear, as I said to Prime Minister Johnson on Saturday, a no-deal Brexit will never be our decision,”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-d ... -k7wkqn999

[SleepyKrew]

Labour might reject it even so because they know they're going to lose in the GE.

how in the world is this the situation

[Xtoxm]

Labour might reject it even so because they know they're going to lose in the GE.

how in the world is this the situation

kinda weird situation but currently polls project a majority for johnson, meanwhile currently there are enough anti-brexit (or at least anti-no deal) mps that its impossible for johnson to get anything through without labours support. and for many mps the outcome of brexit is more important than who's ruling. so most of the opposition parties don't want a GE until either a "soft" deal has been passed, or a 2nd referendum with a chance to remain has been called, etc. these things are on the look of it less likely to happen if theres a GE rn.

johnson is effectively a ruling minority atm and almost every piece of legislation he tries to put forward is losing.

[SleepyKrew]

currently polls project a majority for johnson

how in the world is this the situation

[N]

currently polls project a majority for johnson

how in the world is this the situation

hooray for fptp!

[zoraster]

Labour might reject it even so because they know they're going to lose in the GE.

how in the world is this the situation

Because, and keep in mind that there are many on this board who vehemently disagree with me, Corbyn is horrible. There are lots of other reasons, but if I had to point to just one reason...

[vizIIsto]

I'm amazed by how hard it seems for politicians to make the obvious choice at times. The obvious choice here is to hold a new referendum, but Johnson & co. keep on negotiating and extend dat deadline time after time while neither side really wants a Brexit anymore at this point in time.
Just like how when in an unhappy marriage, the obvious choice is to divorce, but no, we can stay together for just a little longer, let's stretch it to after the winter holidays, for the kids! Just divorce already if you can't stand eachother anymore...