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Really? Then why bring up I am an Aspie at all?

The only thing that does is make people think I can't read or play.

Then at makes people think I am a deficient idiot.

Aspies are not deficient idiots wtf that is the literal opposite of what they are. Aspies have access to a different level of thought that is superior to other levels of thought.

Real world honey. Most people don't think like you. I get shit for it every fucking day. As soon as people see Aspie or hear it they think I am incapable.

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Math why is Transcend no longer Mafia Traitor?

He could be. But I don't have the luxury of tunneling him anymore. If it is 4 scum we have to be 100% right. The thought knaws at me but I have to go with logically likely over gut.

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What's more likely is Flubbernugget was hoping I would lead a Transcend wagon and he could hop on.

Possibly but I was so sure Transcend was scum when I came in and I don't want to let that go

Like why couldn't you have been here day one? Like fml.

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What is the final scum PR Math?

pedit it's confirmed 10:3..?

Guessing roleblocker.

Then it is easy. Lynch Flubber. Then if game still going which I doubt lynch Transcend.

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What happened to LyLo mode?

Still present nancy. You don't know how I do LyLO mode.

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You're not conftown and your push on Transcend was an embarrassment

You're voting him now.

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Because flipped without X-Shot.

X-Shot must be announced in normal games.

I didn't flip

What are you talking about

The others flipped without X-Shot. Therefore they are infinite shot.

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I was lazy when typing and didn't put a Fart,Titus in there.

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^^Awesome accidental page top! Woot!

Also, intent to vote Flubbernugget, but I'm not sure if he is at L-2 or L-1.

L-1

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Transcend's entire ISO reads like we are in 85 pages of RVS

Not helping. You're tunnelling. Please listen.

Nah I feel the same way

Really? An embarrassment? When you agreed before you "tracked" me?

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Transcend's entire ISO reads like we are in 85 pages of RVS

Not helping. You're tunnelling. Please listen.

Nah I feel the same way

Really? An embarrassment? When you agreed before you "tracked" me?

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What is most likely is the wifom worked you roleblocked me and then roleblocked someone else who is also a VT and then roleblocked and killed Titus. Titus shoots here because she was conf town and then it would be Town dictating the lynch and Titus always says I will fuck it up. No way Titus doesn't shoot.

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What makes you say that nancy?

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Transcend's entire ISO reads like we are in 85 pages of RVS

Not helping. You're tunnelling. Please listen.

Nah I feel the same way

Really? An embarrassment? When you agreed before you "tracked" me?

I just told you why my read changed and you're not listening

You're trying to lynch me over your ego now

Grow up

Pedit: we knew Titus was a vig by day 2. Why wasn't she role blocked then under your theory?

Because her reads sucked.

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Nice scumslip btw.

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Transcend's entire ISO reads like we are in 85 pages of RVS

Not helping. You're tunnelling. Please listen.

Nah I feel the same way

Really? An embarrassment? When you agreed before you "tracked" me?

I just told you why my read changed and you're not listening

You're trying to lynch me over your ego now

Grow up

Pedit:

we knew Titus was a vig by day 2.

Why wasn't she role blocked then under your theory?

We. <<Die scum die.

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Nice scumslip btw.

How is this a slip?

We knew. Implies a collective.

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We can refer to

->Town

-> Scum

-> Town and scum

You have to refute at least one and should refute two

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I can if I understand the premises of those cases.
However without understanding the post in question dialogue is not possible.

Please restate the prompt.

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Nice scumslip btw.

How is this a slip?

We knew. Implies a collective.

And didn't we all know Titus was the vig on day 2?? She did claim on D2 so I fail to see what you are seeing.

We all << Town wording

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Meh I'm gonna feel silly if I replaced into this game just to lynch Transcend and he turns out not to be scums.

Ewwwwww

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VOTE: Unvote

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I have a date with Cleopatra...but ewwwwwww

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Back in about 1000 years

<<< Wouldn't it be 7,000?
>>>

(This is a joke just playing Civ with friends)

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Wtf...I said I was coming back tonight and do a quick skim and nancy you hammer? Why?

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nancy lost confTown status for that hammer people.

She never had it in the first place.

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Which means if Flubber is town I am so fucking confused. Fuckity fuck fuck fuck

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Why did you all not give me a chance to do Mastina VCA?

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If Flubber is town I want a chance to do VCA.

Flubber reads?

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I will speed it up when I am good and ton with VCA proper though.

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Speed night plz

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This is what I mean.

When the thread is locked I will start VCA if needed.

Flubber your reads please.

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Just remember scum haven't conceded so NO ONE IS CONF TOWN if I die:

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Just remember scum haven't conceded so NO ONE IS CONF TOWN if I die:

No one is confirmed town. Period.

Agreed.

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And if there is a tomorrow, please do not instavote. I can't tell you how many games I've lost because of idiotic instavotes in My/LyLo

Agreed.

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Flubber reads please??????

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Agreed but something doesn't feel right.

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Math if this flips town and I die tonight, you are not to vote ThinkBig under any circumstances. Please promise me this.

I can't. In LYLO it is always mass review. Always. I think Transcend is scum but it could be ThinkBig.

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Like it could be you too.

I always review in LYLO.

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Could be Flubber I just want the damn flip and Flubber's reads

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Math you need to go back to the headspace you were in in Aslan's game because you had good reads there.

The headspace I had in Aslan's game was trust no one and therefore the game.

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And so whoever is left I will analyze overnight.

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I have tunnelled Town and scum nancy.

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I will analyze. Equations mean only so much.

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I believe in Town whoever you are.

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Just do me a favor if you're Town Transcend and don't get impatient tomorrow? If TB is Town it will become extremely extremely obvious and you trying to rush anything is not pro-town when that is the case.

Actually if I am alive with anyone else they should be instavoting as I am obvTown.

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Now that I think about it.

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Yep so if I live people cross vote and then I get the time necessary to decide and people can make cases. I use the thread as my personal PT. If I die I trust Town.

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It comes down to who scum think they can win against.

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Or if Flubber is scum this is all wasted posts but I am okay with that.

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Yep so if I live people cross vote and then I get the time necessary to decide and people can make cases.

Scum can make convincing cases, they cannot have Town thought processes. The focus should be on forcing TB to provide content and be obvtown by thought process. He may say that he lurks as Town as an excuse, and he does, but not in LyLo when 1 correct Townread will win the game and he has the ability to be obvtown. If he refuses or cannot he is scum.

I look at the thought processes throughout the game and the voting patterns and everything.
Scum won't be able to hide.

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My notes from VCA (part one):

Minor note before I start doing this:
nancy is only scum if ninja.

Spoiler: Notes as I read Mastina VCA

Subject: Mastina's VCA Guide

So I've personally observed that when it comes to VCA, most players are pretty shitty at doing it. I've also recently been receiving a lot of requests for me to share with others the exact process behind my own method. So I decided I'd finally break the drought in Mastin MD and write this. I apologize it's not succinct; the formatting of the advice is a WIP, however, the content is not.

Let's start with the basics: my definition of VCA.

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VCA is a tool using votes, analyzing the game to help form conclusions.

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Most importantly to note in that definition...

VCA is a tool.

It is not the end-all, be-all of scumhunting. It is not something meant to be the entire basis of reads; it is best utilized to help augment evidence and highlight trends you might otherwise miss. Never rely exclusively on VCA, morphing reads to fit the VCA. While that's the most critical rule, let's establish some more, for good VCA.

Got it. Not exclusively. What I'm looking at it is just taking each person scum case and looking at the story the votes tell and comparing it to the game state at the time.

Present objectively; use subjectively.

It's important to not confuse the two. When you do VCA, it is hard to deny the votes happened. You are presenting objective facts. However, your interpretation

of

those facts is your opinion--thus, subjective. You should always keep this in mind when you write your VCA. You are giving a narrative of things as

you

see it.

Okay stay subjective.

Never

be arbitrary.

The best VCA is VCA which does not blindly make arbitrary calls: "scum MUST be on this wagon", "scum CAN'T be on this wagon", "this player MUST be town", all commonplace as a result of poor VCA methodology. Relevant to this,

Scum going down have a natural tendency to "suspect" a buddy. That's not a hard tendency and you never want to over-value it, but the idea of TRing someone just because a scum whose vote didn't matter stayed on the slot is simply not good.

When making good VCA, you do not assume scum act in some predefined way--you pay attention to what scum are likely to do in the given situation.

Okay as I look at each wagon I ask what scum are likely to do.

Best without bias.

Don't color in names of unflipped players unless you have mechanically good reasons to do so. (E.g. masons, cops, cop investigations. Those would all be decent reasons to call an unflipped player town.)

For instance, there's a difference between "player generally thought to be town", "player with STRONG reason to be considered town", and "player with reason to be called confirmed town". Under no circumstances do you color personal townreads/players generally thought town. If you decide to color unflipped players who have a strong reason to be considered town, you probably want to color them differently from those that are absolutely confirmed as town.

Basically, you want to avoid having preexisting reads bias your votecounts.

Well this is the last part of the game so this means that biases are smaller than normal.

VCA has different purposes.

Always have a clear idea of what your VCA is actually meant to do: is it meant for you to find initial reads? Is it meant to call into question your established reads? (And then either strengthen/weaken them.) Is it being used to make a case? All of those are still forms of VCA, but they all have different times they are used and different reasons to be used.

Agreed...It's being used to find an initial read of the three.

And relatedly (and critically),

There are different levels of VCA.

These different levels vary from person to person, but basically, there's a difference in thoroughness in how a player uses VCA, yet these different levels of VCA are no more nor less valid than the others, simply...more in-depth than others. For the sake of this thread, I'll share my personal levels, as I have broken them down.

Situational VCA

: Also known as a "gut feels" approach to wagon analysis--I'll look at votecounts, and intuitively 'feel' what each wagon makes me feel like and why. "I like this wagon". "I hate this wagon". "These players on this wagon feel good". "These votes on this wagon feel bad". Overlapping those four things is a basic form of VCA, where I am instinctively feeling out what SEEMS right.

Usually, it's used only in the earlygame (especially D1), though it can be used later when observing forming wagons. It's little more than guesses layered on top of guesses, though because it requires little thought/effort, it's a nice lazy method of VCA.

Basic VCA

: Usually done after D1 when there are players flipped. This is thrown together votecounts, and from the votes, forming predictions. Basic VCA works by extrapolating facts from some base assumptions, to run basic probabilities. It's still highly subjective, not so much a weapon as an augmentation for what's already around: pointing out little things here and there which help.

Pattern Mapping

: The advanced form of VCA, a requirement for it functioning properly is days' worth of data, preferably with the full rainbow of flips a game has to offer. Pattern Mapping is looking at flips, observing trends, noting how and why wagons formed, to find patterns in the data and providing interpretations of these patterns. It's a combination of all that VCA has to offer--not only making predictions, but also using judgment. This pattern recognition is what VCA is meant for. It is analysis of votes (the core of the town) to find information and answer questions.

I will be using this one.

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With those rules established, here are a few additional guidelines I use. These tend to crop up especially in the higher levels of VCA I do. While I may not run every one of these through my head when doing situational VCA, when doing pattern mapping, these are quite literally prerequisites.

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How many town/scum are on/off the wagon?

You'll note a rule was not making arbitrary assumptions--so don't make a statement of "this many players must be scum/town" on/off the wagon. Instead, ASK "how many are scum and how many are town?". The best VCA is fundamentally asking questions and seeking answers to those questions. Your aim with VCA is to find where scum are versus where town are...not to have a predefined notion of that already.

Okay no predefined notions has been beat onto my head.

Scum lynch: look for bussing.

The first place I look for scum on a scum lynch (ESPECIALLY a D1 scum lynch--it is

ridiculously

hard to lynch scum D1 without the assistance of scum because of town chaos and paranoia) is on the wagon. While there is obviously no guarantee that there actually is scum there, I put analysis in to determine where the scum would be if

not

on the scum wagon. (More on that below.)

Eddie Cane - 6 (Fart, ThinkBig, Flubbernugget, Aronis, Mathblade, Titus)
(Fart - 2 (Eddie Cane, Ircher)

Not Voting - 2 (rb, Transcend)


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Aronis - 4 (Titus, ThinkBig, rb/nancy, Transcend)

Not Voting - 3 (Flubbernugget, Aronis, Mathblade)

ThinkBig is on both, Transcend and nancy are both on Aronis...In other words, scum bussed hard there. Why? Why give Titus what she wanted on this day only to kill her? This question needs an answer.

Town lynch: look off the wagon.

The first place I look for scum on a mislynch is OFF the wagon--I try to determine how many scum (if any) there are, and who the probable candidates are. Sometimes, there are situations where there are none to be found, or far fewer to be found than expected...and in those situations, by virtue of doing this analysis, I have a better idea of how good or bad the mislynch wagon was.

Antihuman - 7 (Eddie Cane, schadd_, Titus, Alisae, Transcend, Mathblade, Ircher)
Transcend - 1 (Aronis)

Question to answer: Why did the Transcend wagon die? Who was it made up of? Why didn't anyone actually try to read Transcend?

Flubbernugget - 3 (Transcend, ThinkBig, nancy)
Transcend - 1 (Flubbernugget)

Not Voting - 1 (Mathblade)

Looking off the wagon means me, I know I'm not scum. And flubber was the lynch wagon. Flubber's gut said Transcend. This is where we also get nancy is ninja scum or she is town.

Regardless: counterwagons.

I look for the presence of a counterwagon, or far more tellingly, the utter lack of one. If there is no discernible counterwagon on a scum lynch, it's a safe bet scum bussed. Maybe even heavily. If on a scum lynch there is a counterwagon on a player who is known to be town, then the names there have a decent chance of being scum. This is not that common anymore, but sometimes it does still happen. If on a town lynch there is a counterwagon on a player who is known to be scum...then there's a reasonable chance you can use the safe/standard model of "scum voted town, town voted scum" with an above average accuracy.

that guy sitting out the day's lynch when it's town v town? That's scum with substantial probability.

If on a town lynch there is a counterwagon on a town player, then the scum didn't care which got lynched--the scum are likely to be about evenly distributed between each wagon, and if there's players on neither wagon, there's a disproportionately high chance that the players off both wagons are scum.

This game has had a DISTURBING lack of counterwagons which I generally use to do VCA. This means examine Day One hard as that is the only day with counter wagons.

Frequent vote overlaps.

I look for names who are repeatedly voting together on multiple wagons--this is a fairly decent sign that there's probably scum in there. While there are obvious exceptions (a townbloc which moves votes as one; masons), usually this is a fairly reliable indicator that at least one of the players involved is scum. You need to figure out if it's one or all of them, and if just one, WHICH one.

This will have to be done with D1 VCs.

On that note,

Breaks in the overlaps.

When DON'T those players vote together? This can be a critical hint as to the alignment of the voters. Pay close attention to who the vote-buddies have diverging votes on. This can help you read the vote-buddies and also illuminate interesting facts about the gamestate.

Look for basic trends in data.

You're looking to see common, frequently occurring patterns. These overlaps, these recurrent themes, tend to be where the value of VCA is at its greatest. Hard data. Data which raises questions about how the data came to become true, begging for answers (which are yours to give).

Observe the gamestate.

To steal from mhsmith0 again:

day 1 scum lynch, days 2-4 town lynch = scum lynched was bussed, probably by both buddies (if he hadn't been bussed, then why did town suddenly become so ineffective after a day 1 scum lynch?)

More generally, the gamestate of the game makes a difference. What made the lynches on scum be lynches on scum? What made the lynches on town be lynches on town? You want to know this, because the answer tells you who the scum are.

So we have why did scum give Titus the Aronis lynch? This needs answering.

Understand a push.

not surprisingly, the people lining up pitchforks the hardest were town, while scum were setting up future pushes / staying out of the way. It's hard to replicate villagery fury at someone who really fucked up what they were up to as scum.

Similar to observing the gamestate, you need to know the emotions behind a lynch, and the emotions behind votes NOT on a lynch. In particular, you're looking for force of the push. If the player's push did nothing, then...

Scum could EASILY vote park on a "push" going nowhere. The question is if the wagon ever did anything. If not, congrats, it's >rand scum voter.

...It's a fair bet you've found scum.

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There are a couple of other quirks I use in my VCA.

Combine identically-sized wagons

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All (1) voters as a wagon, all (2) voters as a wagon, all (3) voters as a wagon, and so forth. The idea behind doing this is to counteract a common scum strategy--vote dispersion. Scum very frequently divide themselves up evenly, and if you combine identically-sized wagons into a few larger wagons, you can get a much better idea of probable scum distribution. (I do this mostly as a guideline.)

Did that earlier. It said Transcend/Eddie/Ircher had scum. Point towards Transcend being scum.

Count Not Voting as a wagon

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...Past a certain point, of course. If a player hasn't posted yet, then obviously they couldn't have voted yet. But if the player has posted yet is in Not Voting, they have made the active choice to not cast their vote. As a result, Not Voting is a wagon in of itself.

Overlap the two above for the best results. However large the Not Voting wagon is, combine it with an identically-sized wagon to get an idea of where scum are likely to be hiding. This is most effective when you have data on the players who were wagoned, and is also not a hardfast rule. (I don't treat combined wagons/Not Voting as a holy gospel of gold. It is difficult for scum to counter--not impossible.)

Pay attention to "invisible" wagons

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That is, make note of wagons which rose, then fell, between votecounts. Mods are usually good about getting in the necessary votecounts for effective VCA...but what if there were ten votes on a page and then ten unvotes on a page for a single player? That would be noteworthy on the VCA but a mod who pagetops their VCs might entirely miss the wagon.

So, if you can, manually track these wagons which came and collapsed quickly--note all of the names on them. These extra wagons aren't inherently on an alignment, and they aren't inherently driven by one alignment. However, they are contextually key pieces of the game, and their absence from analysis will taint your results.

(Incidentally, this is why I do the extras in my votecounts. The things I track automatically keep those in mind, so that players can see them.)

Doing to need to focus on D1 to do this

Circumstances are everything!

In particular...were scum interested in saving the life of the scum lynched? How was a player off of the lynch acting? Frustrated, disinterested, detatched, what were they doing? Fighting hard or sitting idly by?

What is it that was going on to generate the wagons as they were? For instance,

Generically you MIGHT suspect the off-wagon or non-voters more than the on wagon voters, but the only real question you need to ask was "was this lynch wagon villagery". Because if it felt villagery and righteous, you lynch off wagon, and if it was bullshit, you lynch on wagon.

...Lynch from a wagon driven by scum, and don't lynch from a wagon driven by town.

Titus was a driving force all game. Why did scum let her?

Always, keep in mind what each wagon represents, keep in mind what each player is doing, why they are doing it...think of what is the overall picture behind the wagons. This context behind actions is where you'll find the full strength of VCA.

Final Notes:

I tend to not do all of this, all at once. Like most of my advice, this tends to be "do as much as you can, as often as you can". The more thorough, the better. You should always keep in mind it is possible to beat even the best VCA. The best advice I can give is that you have to trust your instincts when it comes to what in your VCA is accurate and what in it is not, so long as this hunch of yours is not confirmation bias warping the evidence to the read. Look for the things which make the most sense, and trust in that. As long as you're avoiding shitty arbitrary assumptions of things which "MUST" be true, you're probably going to be right.

Initial thoughts are nothing stands out directly in mastina VCA towards nancy being scum. Therefore, I'm willing to bet nancy gets killed regardless here and/or nancy is town. If rb is scum, he deserves a lot of kudos. Mainly I think scum's only shot is to have me pick wrong.

Questions to answer more indepth:

ThinkBig is on both scum wagons, Transcend and nancy are both on Aronis scum wagon...In other words, scum bussed hard there. Why? Why give Titus what she wanted on this day only to kill her? This question needs an answer.

<< That question came up multiple times.

This game has had a DISTURBING lack of counterwagons which I generally use to do VCA. This means examine Day One hard as that is the only day with counter wagons. Overlaps, invisible wagons and other things will have to be done with D1 wagons.

So in other words focus on D1 and figure out where Transcend and ThinkBig's votes are to determine which one of which is likely scum. If nancy isn't dead tonight I'm going to be thoroughly surprised.

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Okay D1 wagons of note:

Ircher wagon -- If hammer would have went through on like post 200 all three scum would have been on it and it would have been scummy as fuck. General intent probably to fishout a claim but not actually hammer as that would bring too much attention.

Eddie Aronis and Transcend all voted together while ThinkBig vote plopped.

Eddie Cane wagon picked up after Ircher -- Eddie plops himself on ThinkBig. Points towards ThinkBig. Transcend also hops on Think Big. One of those two likely scum. Need to look between 350-375.

Transcend's vote is essentially naked after Lexa/ThinkBig's inactivity note.
Transcend's vote quickly moves off ThinkBig and into Schadd.
Points towards Transcend scum as the scum would now be split evenly.
(See Mastina VCA towards scum splits)

ThinkBig is on Fart wagon and since scum didn't know Fart was Gunsmith (as evidenced by guilty) points towards ThinkBig town.

Transcend is moving his vote around like crazy.

Transcend starts a Titus wagon. Why?
Eddie Cane is also saying Transcend is lynch one D1 lynch proof.
I like post 710 by RC.

It was just to see how the wind takes him.
Transcend's reaction to 750 is worrisome now that Aronis/Chaos Omega is conf scum.

Transcend then backs off and unvotes why?

Ugh Titus's posting and RC's posting are both terribad.

839 840 so agreed.

Transcend's only reason is meh.

Schadd wagon happens 948 Eddie Cane contributes. 1016 looks like an excuse to join Schadd wagon and Transcend's reads are terribad.

Transcend switches to Aronis even though that doesn't match 1016...

1488 would have TWO scum on it then. Let's see why Eddie voted there.
1451 is simply based on Aronis reads post which is actually pretty close to the reality we live in and rule of threes says if a scum mentions a potential team of three or more people one is likely scum points to Transcend.

Aronis wagon disperses and both join Schadd at L-1. This is where I also noted Transcend something fishy.

So this boils down to a key question. Do I trust RC/nancy/Flubber/spirit of Mastina Transcend is scum or do I trust the people not wanting to do Transcend D1 like Titus?

Everyone else please explain your thought process.

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Ok seriously talk to me transcend. Why is your mind saying me and your gut saying Math?

Agreed. Because I am severely obvTown here. Like anyone pitching a me scum case I do not understand at all.

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Ok seriously talk to me transcend. Why is your mind saying me and your gut saying Math?

Agreed. Because I am severely obvTown here. Like anyone pitching a me scum case I do not understand at all.

Yeah. I have you as lock town and transcend will have to try extremely hard for me to even think about voting you.

Seems he wants to try and keep the lynch pool as wide as possible.

I am lock Town. Then why are you not doing ask I ask and making the Transcend scum case?
If you have me as lock Town then who else could be scum besides Transcend?

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VOTE: ircher

VOTE: Lexa

if you're so concerned about him being L-1 why didn't you unvote him

kill this

VOTE: ircher

VOTE: Lexa

then why haven't you tried to put your vote to good use?

there's several things you can get your input on

for instance, rb vs. rc.

and then suddenly i got bored

VOTE: ircher


flubber: was your vote on RC rvs?

This feels like a very strange progression. Ircher/my slot/ircher/my slot and the. To someone completely different in less than 30 posts.

That is RVS. Collect your thoughts make a case.

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Seriously...Stop summarizing votes please. I stared at Mastina's VCs plenty.

Make a case please.

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Though why is transcend still RVSing on page 9?

The entire game was.

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Ok seriously talk to me transcend. Why is your mind saying me and your gut saying Math?

Agreed. Because I am severely obvTown here. Like anyone pitching a me scum case I do not understand at all.

Yeah. I have you as lock town and transcend will have to try extremely hard for me to even think about voting you.

Seems he wants to try and keep the lynch pool as wide as possible.

I am lock Town. Then why are you not doing ask I ask and making the Transcend scum case?
If you have me as lock Town then who else could be scum besides Transcend?

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I am very much interested in the answer to the second question ThinkBig.

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If you have me as lock Town then who else could be scum besides Transcend?

By PoE, no one.

I still want to hear from transcend.

My eyebrows are firmly raised as I await this and your organized case.
Request a PT if you need one.

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Hey I'm on lunch break

Hey. What do you make of ThinkBig saying I am locktown?
What do you make of his posts after that?

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What tempts you to do that? Talk with me about your thoughts.

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Clear. Cross.

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Oh wait you already did. So now I am conf town:

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Cool. You all do cases I am lurking.

Lucky lurk lurk lurk.

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It is okay. Mastina can have all my page tops.

What's this? A shitpost from Math?

#worldOver

[MathBlade]

Please just do cases.

You're never going to get scum to say they are.

The way to let me read you is let me in your brain.

[MathBlade]

Make a case without that. I am assuming Transcend is above board on that.

I may see strategic replace outs and call it out but there is always better evidence besides that.

[MathBlade]

Transcend do you have anything else?

Scum!TB would not want you and he to cross. He would want us to cross them win.

[MathBlade]

Then sorry for interrupting please continue.

[MathBlade]

Nah I would rather you say all you want to then I look at a few personal notes.

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to be honest i didn't have a case pre-made.

i'm giving one as i go along.

It's okay I'll wait til you have said your peace. I figure ThinkBig had his chance now it's yours then I can hammer and everyone had their shot.

That way if Town wins scum had their shot and if scum wins they can say they beat everyone. I have ideas after my research and how voting played out but I like games where everyone gets a shot and if I am wrong I might have a chance to see it.

[MathBlade]

I will wait until you say "Peace Out" or around 6 hours from this post for your case to be done.

[MathBlade]

If Eddie flips mafia fruit vendor, then rb is probably town.

[MathBlade]

If fart flips town gunsmith, then rb is almost certainly scum trying to save a buddy.

P-edit: Flubbernugget took the words out of my mouth...

[MathBlade]

Talk to me about what happened between those posts please.

And please also address the VCA concerns I had.

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UNVOTE:

Meh

Should sleep on this

[MathBlade]

oh you were talking to thinkbig

was the second question addressed to him too?

The two posts I quoted above. It is addressed to you.

VCA concerns also to you.

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UNVOTE:

Meh

Should sleep on this

Explain motivation for this Unvote please

[MathBlade]

I think I know where I want to vote but I am going to sleep on it.

[MathBlade]

Good night Transcend and ThinkBig. If you have anything else please feel free to leave it.

Will be up in 5 or so hours.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Transcend

I am going to be offline most of the day so I wanted to vote.

No one really answered why scum bussed only that they did and I felt much better about ThinkBig's answers than Transcend's.

Transcend's LYLO feels different here.

Transcend if I am right well played to get this far. If I am wrong then I am sorry that RC Titus and myself misread you.

ThinkBig if I am right yay! Missed you a lot during the game. If I am wrong magnificently played ending.

[MathBlade]

Fuck!

[MathBlade]

I was gonna troll but I don't have it in me.

I was Town. I debated it though.

Seriously...This is killing me

I think I made the right choice.

[MathBlade]

Phew....

[MathBlade]

You did a good job shading me in the end. I will give you that!

It was his shading that actually made me confident enough to vote.

That and the fact he voted first and then tried to use it against you.

[MathBlade]

Nah...Transcend looks scummy as either alignment. But I went through his open and could see his reasons and I wanted similar answers from Transcend.

Yay for their post humors victory especially since I rebelled so hard against Aronis.

I wanna read it too.

Sad thing is Transcend it may have been closer if you killed ThinkBig instead.

[MathBlade]

Humorous*

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I was giving my thoughts to dead thread and I was like nancy is only scum if ninja and I think TB/Transcend scum will kill nancy. I was actually going to question why nancy and I would be alive.

[MathBlade]

Why would Transcend kill me? You were obv town and Nancy would have been conf town

The way RB responded to me looked like he knew too much. Especially how he went along with Titus scum despite 10:3.

I suspected nancy ninja at first

Kinda funny Transcend was. I was until I did the VCA I promised myself hoping nancy died. Especially with the tunnel on me.

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You did a good job shading me in the end. I will give you that!

It was his shading that actually made me confident enough to vote.

That and the fact he voted first and then tried to use it against you.

Not to mention "I can't obvtown so here is a vote." Lol. No serious townie would do that in LyLo

note to self: never fight 3 way as scum while at work

pedit: scum pt was pretty interesting. aronis was TREMBLING IN FEAR, lemme tell ya, at how hard thinkbig caught him as scum and i was just like... it's a'ite buddy it'll be okay but it really wasn't. we just got rekt. LMFAO

And I can't wait to read Eddie's response to getting guilted. He really had me pocketed.

eddie INSISTED i bussed him

but i felt he could've gotten himself out of it

that's something i'm never doing again lmfao

That Unvote was really freaking bad.

[MathBlade]

Lol. He did a good job fighting tooth and nail against the guilty. I'll give him that.

Agreed

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Had fart not have guilted him, fart may have been lynched and Eddie would have sailed to a near perfect scum win.

Fart gets the MVP award.

Agreed. Fart for MVP.
Fart for MVP.

Math for weird person MVP. Wait that is every game. Oh.

[MathBlade]

What award do I get?

Thanks for being for Town than Transcend EoD award?

[MathBlade]

aronis and i were just memeing while eddie was carrying

then eddie got guiltied and i wanted to die

Nice work making it as far as you did.

I hate D1 no touch rules and no one would give a reason about you and why you were Town.

[MathBlade]

yeah that was my first attempt to replace out getting lynched as scum

but i know tactical subbing out is a no-no so i stayed to abide by the rules because i am good doggo

woof woof

Thank you Transcend for sticking it out.

I would also not suggest "Maf Here" when actually Mafia in the future.

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all 3 of us decided as a collective that math was bluffing vig tho

Yeah it was pretty bad.

Titus OMG that crumb was horrible.

Like ugh.

And my D1 read on Transcend was right and checking my other D1 reads.

[MathBlade]

like i said reverse psychology

"would scum!trans actually do that" is what i banked on everyone thinking

Lucky for you I don't read you like that

[MathBlade]

That means I can never get a read on him and so I would shoot him if I was a vig. Right now. No regrets.

That's how I feel on rb.

I kinda feel one of rb/aronis is scum but not both.

Aronis of those two.

Holy shit why did I not listen to D1 me on Aronis.

[MathBlade]

If there was a twilight trolling award, it would definitely go to transcend and myself.

Seriously though: sorry for the town loss.

I still honestly don't know if you're both trolling lol.

Still going with Transcend scum.

[MathBlade]

Whelp GG all won't be back til late tonight.

To victors go the spoils. Whoever you are.

[MathBlade]

@Mod: can we please get a flip and end the game? I really want to see the dead thread and the scum PT

Can't you already see the scum PT if scum?

#ForTheLoveOfAllThingsPleaseStopTrollingMe

[MathBlade]

Damn it

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I am sorry nancy I thought Think Big obvTowned and ugh

Damn it

[MathBlade]

I am sorry I literally spent hours trying to pick right and threw everything I had at it.

[MathBlade]

Transcend

,

Vanilla Townie

, was

Lynched D5

.

ThinkBig

,

Vanilla Townie

, was

Endgamed D5

.

Mathblade

,

Mafia Goon

,

survives and wins

.

Eddie Cane and Aronis posthumously claim victory

.

Mafia Win

.

This is what happened, right?

Wait what I am not Mafia?!?!?!

[MathBlade]

I am sorry nancy I thought Think Big obvTowned and ugh

Damn it

I guess I'm curious where in particular you thought TB obvtowned? Like, specific posts or something?

Mainly how he opened and came out of the closet in one of his posts.

I couldn't imagine scum doing that.

[MathBlade]

Shit I am so sorry for picking wrong I am sorry especially to Transcend damn it

[MathBlade]

Just give me dead thread please.

[MathBlade]

Thanks Mastina You rocked as a mod.

[MathBlade]

MathBlade:

Do not /in games with me anymore.

This is the third and final time that you've tunneled me into a loss.

I tried maybe about 10x harder than i have ever tried as town just to get you not to be confirmation biased on me.

You're an insufferable player and if you ever sub into a game I'm in, I'm automatically replacing out.

Quite possibly the most insufferable I've met in my mafia career.

I creamed my foe in lylo and 99% of the playerbase here would've lynched tb but you're just cut and dry shit at the game

I was not about to be tunneled again and was gonna replace out but the player list (rb, Eddie, fart mostly) kept me from subbing out along with the fantastic modding

It was a fantastic modded game and i invested so much time into the game for nothing

Titus your vigges were fine, but MathBlade was a protocol vig that game.

Rb, you were fucking obv town this game and not a soul should've fosed you

Fart nice job on the guilty, if town had any chance of winning it was because of you

Flubber your lynch wouldn't have happened as quick as it did if i wasn't at work.

I probably have more to say but i have to clock in.

I literally spent hours trying to figure this out. Please stop saying it was a tunnel.

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Thanks for the miller gambit. It helped me to pocket math, Titus, and Nancy

That had nothing to do with why I was townreading you..? I was townreading you literally because I was being a lazy shit and giving you the benefit of the doubt on your holidays and whatever. I apparently didn't make it /blatantly/ clear enough by the way I was asking Transcend to tryhard today and making a scumcase on you that I thought you were obvscum. I just don't get how I literally call you scum in my last post and tell Math exactly how to read you and then Transcend tryhards the fuck out of LyLo and is more obvtown than I have ever seen him and gets hammered. Like I feel really disgusted by the fact that I replaced in and instantly caved to pressure on the Flubb lynch and did my fucking piece to throw the game, worst Town performance award for me holy shit. Transcend did not deserve to lose this after that shining beacon of Town and I am just at a loss.

I misunderstood I thought that post was a Townread implying TB would. I just I feel sick.

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VOTE: Mathblade

Because apparently I am the SK from hell

[MathBlade]

I'm starting to like longer, slower paced games. These games are moving too fast for me and I used to be a person who ratcheted up the pace of the game but nowadays its like

We can talk about this every single day but trying to figure out how to get people to start posting less would be a start.

For example, multiquote is a thing.

Yeah I multiquote on recommendation to stop walling.

If I don't call out shit how do I explain my reads? Because Star Wars is not an argument

[MathBlade]

Like I post a lot when I feel ignored or insulted or that I can't communicate so I keep trying.

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Math just remember to re-evaluate every now and then.

I spent all night re-evaluating

It is shit like this that is not helpful. Like saying I am a tunneled and need to reevaluate when I spend hours doing that isn't helpful I need to learn how you think and the less you tell me how you think the more I don't understand.

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I deserve that Ircher :/ just like the trolling

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ircher dude you said this in the dead thread too but it's just wrong. you had openly faked a claim to derail your wagon, and you voted with the scum against the gunsmith. you should not have made it to lylo. it's not fair to yell at Titus when she made the right shot.

the reason im blacklisting ircher

Can we please stop this blacklisting crap and instead help people be better?

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Fwiw if i gave a shitty case on tb i wouldn't have been salty, but i knew i would've had to try extra hard to convince math so i spent nearly 2 hours making a case and staying up extra late to be there when mb came back and then they just hammered

I stayed up til 2 am to hear it dude.

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I eventually read you right in the Open. I didn't read you here correctly. I get it.

Was I salty over you giving the Open to Titus and Riley? Yes.

At the same time I don't go "OMG Blacklist Transcend"

"He claimed traitor blacklist"

I won't do that to you. I don't blacklist anyone doing things I feel are bad.

[MathBlade]

*revives*
*gets lynched after being endgamed*
*revives*
*gets dayvigged*
Revives

What happened?