Mini Normal 1900 (Game Over)

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Hey all.

I love you mastina! Thanks for letting me replace.

<<< Any time. <3 >>>

UNVOTE:

I'll catch up as soon as I can. It is almost Shabbat and it is Passover. I'll be posting more on Saturday night and Sunday. See you all then

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<<< ThinkBig replaces Lexa. >>>

Baby doll. Been awhile. I'd love a truthful voice.

Hey Titus <3

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btw your slot claimed miller. Is this true or not?

Um no...I am vanilla town. Can you show me where she claimed?

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Titus is town.

Move your votes off or it is a scum claim.

That is how sure I am Titus is town.

sure
UNVOTE: Titus
can I join the townblock now?

I don't like this at all.

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@MOD: I am V/LA until Tuesday April 18th in observance of Passover. I am also V/LA on weekends.

<<< Noted. >>>

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I want Alisae to explain her miller-gambit rolefish.

I've played several games with Alisae and he seems to always gambit like this when someone replaces in. I also see him claim cop with a guilty on someone. It's just typical Alisae.

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pagetop!

Page fourth!

Serious note: Signing off for shabbos. Shabbat shalom my chaverim

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Hey Aronis buddy.
You seem like a cool Pirate.
I can read TB. If he's town he'll obvtown. If he's scum he'll obvscum.

QFT lol.

Let's be power town together!

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VOTE: Aronis

I'm happy placing my vote here for now. I don't like his blatant buddying of Transcend. I also don't like how he begged to join MathBlade's town bloc

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Hey Aronis buddy.
You seem like a cool Pirate.
I can read TB. If he's town he'll obvtown. If he's scum he'll obvscum.

QFT lol.

Let's be power town together!

titus wake up and look at this active lurking. This slot needs to die so bad

Active lurking? Dude I just fcking replaced in this game

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ThinkBig, reads please.

Will do so after shabbos.

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yeah if it isn't obvious, right now I'm sheeping Aronis and Math.

Ouch ok.

Aronis vc please cuz Mastina has life?

If my vc is correct, antihuman is at L-1.

I'll be back later today. I went through the votes since the last vote count and have some thoughts based on that.

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Antihuman - 6 (Eddie Cane, Titus, shadd_, Aronis, Alisae)

<<< You've got the right voters in the right order, but the wrong number. It's five total, L-2, not six. >>>

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L-2 actually.

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@Alisae, thanks. I can't count today

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@Alisae, thanks. I can't count today

I thought you could think better

I think bigger, not better

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(proven to be 110% more reliable than ThinkBig's VCs)

Hey! That's mean!

That's why I'm now using automatic vote counts in my games.

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Some thoughts before I head off for the last two days of Pesach:

1. I strongly disagree with MathBlade's reasoning that Transcend claimed scum. Take a look at BlackVoid's mafia game (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71182) and compare his ISO there to here. Transcend, in my experience, tends to troll a lot as town and ends up getting himself lynched. I do not believe that Transcend intended to claim traitor or mafia.

Math, you really need to learn how to break out of tunnels. See Backstabbers Mafia for more details.

2. I'm really not a fan of antihuman. He claims not VT then he claims ascetic. Furthermore, him asking jailkeepers not to jail him is almost exactly what mafia would say in order to ensure that their intended kill goes through.

Ugh this game is so difficult to keep up with.

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Is anti human at L-1?

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VOTE: Antihuman

I think this is

L-1

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I'm not fully caught up. Yom tov is starting in <45 minutes and won't be back from yom tov until Tuesday night. I'll probably be using the night phase to catch up.

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Fruit vendor is not allowed on normals list.

I asked Mastina and she said the game follows the wiki.

VOTE: rb

Fruit vendors are allowed in normals. In fact, in the last game she hosted, mastina had a 1-shot fruit vendor

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=70107

If I understand correctly,

one

non normal role is permitted in minis. Perhaps this is the exception?

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Also I do have a catch up post ready. I'll be posting it after work tonight

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@fart who is scum?

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VOTE: Eddie

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[iuv][/uv]

I want Eddie to full claim.

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If Eddie flips mafia fruit vendor, then rb is probably town.

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Do you think it could be a loud modifier?

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Did Titus claim vig? I thought Math was the vig? I'm confused...

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rb, please don't spam the thread

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We are in a win-win situation here. There is guaranteed scum between {Eddie, Fart}. If Eddie flips scum, then fart is confirmed town. If Eddie flips town, then Fart is confirmed scum.

Ask yourself: What motivation does scum have for faking a guilty on day 2? None.

I'd rather lynch Eddie than a claimed PR with a guilty.

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We are in a win-win situation here. There is guaranteed scum between {Eddie, Fart}. If Eddie flips scum, then fart is confirmed town. If Eddie flips town, then Fart is confirmed scum.

Ask yourself: What motivation does scum have for faking a guilty on day 2? None.

I'd rather lynch Eddie than a claimed PR with a guilty.

yeh but id rather lynch fart than eddie

Why lynch a claimed gunsmith over a claimed fruit vendor? A gun smith is infinitely more valuable than a loud fruit vendor.

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I still have no idea how fruit vendor has any utility to either alignment

It performs a supporting role. As scum, it is actually quite powerful as it shows there is no other nefarious actions that player is performing. Usually fruit vendors can't submit any other kills along with their fruit vendor action.

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and i have to say i respect that she mods in ways that deliberately fuck with people, even in a normal, she finds a way

LOL! Last game she did the same thing. Oh, and there was also a town fruit vendor in that game

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I still have no idea how fruit vendor has any utility to either alignment

It performs a supporting role. As scum, it is actually quite powerful as it shows there is no other nefarious actions that player is performing. Usually fruit vendors can't submit any other kills along with their fruit vendor action.

wats the utility as town

Not really sure tbqh. It's a weak role for sure. I suppose the best thing that it can do is that it can be a confirmable role (though not a confirmable alignment).

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VOTE: Eddie Cane

I'd rather go here today than a claimed gunsmith. This is better IMO.

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If fart flips town gunsmith, then rb is almost certainly scum trying to save a buddy.

P-edit: Flubbernugget took the words out of my mouth...

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Between Eddie and Fart, I'd like to lynch Eddie Cane for the following reasons:

1. There is no scum motivation to fake a guilty on day 2.
2. There is no CC to fart's gunsmith claim.
3. A gunsmith is far more useful to keep around than a loud fruit vendor.

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I'm fine leaving the direct ccs alive, lynching outside and getting anther gs result btw

but fart will be died tonight

if fart were to die and flip town id just get quicklynched. from your perspective you lose nothing. unfortunately he's scum and won't be dying.

Except if you flip town, then fart is dying. This feels like a scum slip to me.

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that's awful from you. you had me as one of your strongest townreads yourself, and this is still an extremely easy lynch for you? can you show me any critical thinking you've done ever?

TIL reads can't change, especially when there is an outed guilty

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VOTE: Fart

Why fart over Eddie?

If Eddie flips town, will you vig Eddie tonight?

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I am actually cop with a guilty on fart

Lol. This is so fake and so obviously scum.

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The real cop should not CC Eddie's obv fake claim.

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Bye Eddie. Die scum die.

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With 7 alive, it will take 6 to lynch. >>>

Shouldn't this be 4 to lynch?

<<< Yeah I caught it immediately after posting. >>>

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If we mislynch and our vig mis shoots, then we loose.

[ThinkBig]

If we mislynch and our vig mis shoots, then we loose.

If we mislynch I am not shooting.

Good

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im happy to lynch out of TB/aronis/flubber

that's about it

I am okay giving you rope too.

RB or Transcend That is who I want to lynch.

I don't see rb as scum here mainly due to the fact that Eddie sent him a piece of fruit. RB claimed long before Eddie did and felt genuinely confused.

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im happy to lynch out of TB/aronis/flubber

that's about it

I am okay giving you rope too.

RB or Transcend That is who I want to lynch.

Not rb. Eddie doesn't encourage me to shoot rb.

This as well.

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im happy to lynch out of TB/aronis/flubber

that's about it

I am okay giving you rope too.

RB or Transcend That is who I want to lynch.

I don't see rb as scum here mainly due to the fact that Eddie sent him a piece of fruit. RB claimed long before Eddie did and felt genuinely confused.

wow thinkbig is so desperate for towncred he's blatantly sheeping me to get into my good graces. not gonna work, srry.

If this is the way you feel then why the hell aren't you voting me?

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Top

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Curse you mastina!

<<< Curse you ThinkBig! >>>

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Curse you mastina!

<<< Curse you ThinkBig! >>>

Curse my middle finger!

I will WOTP (wisdom of the player) you in the next game /s

<<< >>>

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Curse you mastina!

<<< Curse you ThinkBig! >>>

Curse my middle finger!

I will WOTP (wisdom of the player) you in the next game /s

<<< >>>

Well played mastina. Well played.

<<< Well thank you for the compliment but I'm more a moderator than a player. >>>

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math, what scumreads do you have other than transcend?

You

Why is rb scum?

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VOTE: Aronis

I have a big case against this slot and will post it in the morning.

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math, what scumreads do you have other than transcend?

You

Why is rb scum?

Because no scum with a loud fruit vendor targets RB night one.

They target Titus or me or someone more townread. Not someone Titus might shoot.

No scum with a loud fruit vendor targets their buddy n1. That's why RB is probably town.

Use your brains and think bigger.

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Math just stop. Perhaps the reason you're alive is because of your tunnel vision and pushes.

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You know.

This is one reason I like opening threads at like 3 am PDT.

Nobody's around to make you work so hard.

Lazy mod is lazy

<<< Not lazy, just tired and hungry. >>>

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Haha

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Damn you again masatan

<<< Huh. Mother of Satan. That's certainly a first for me. I guess it's a compliment? >>>

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yeah it's getting to the point where i'm tempted to blacklist ircher because no matter what he rolls as town he's negative utility in the end

UNVOTE: aronis

to wait for titus' read

that claim is fake btw and we're lynching aronis today

I agree it is probably fake. However If you know that claim is fake then why did you unvote?

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yeah it's getting to the point where i'm tempted to blacklist ircher because no matter what he rolls as town he's negative utility in the end

UNVOTE: aronis

to wait for titus' read

that claim is fake btw and we're lynching aronis today

I agree it is probably fake. However If you know that claim is fake then why did you unvote?

dunno, why DID i unvote?

Sorry I missed that. Phone posting and half asleep. Good night.

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Hi aronis

Hi!
Are you scum?

Hi. Please breathe. We need less garbage slots here.

If all you need me to do is breathe, then I can do great at this.

BP crumb people seriously :/

how is that a BP crumb

why would scum not have a 1-shot BP in a game with a vig?

Good at breathing. A slogan for dying is "not breathing".

They might have a BP but they wouldn't crumb it and they wouldn't claim it.

This is a major stretch of the imagination. Just like transcend's "scum claim."

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Hi aronis

Hi!
Are you scum?

Hi. Please breathe. We need less garbage slots here.

If all you need me to do is breathe, then I can do great at this.

BP crumb people seriously :/

how is that a BP crumb

why would scum not have a 1-shot BP in a game with a vig?

Good at breathing. A slogan for dying is "not breathing".

They might have a BP but they wouldn't crumb it and they wouldn't claim it.

This is a major stretch of the imagination. Just like transcend's "scum claim."

Tb, why has your posting rate picked up?

1. More time
2. Feeling more confident and comfortable in the game
3. Finally read the entire game.

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Think Big like probably town due to instant VT claim but where is he?

Uh the game opened at like 12 am my time. I'm just waking up.

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I'm still at work, but I have a few moments so here is my takeaway and analysis so far:

This game is explicitly 10:3 town:mafia.

From this, it is impossible to have 4 mafiosos and it is also impossible for Transcend to be a traitor. According to the normal guidelines on traitors:

A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:

is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot

is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead

gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops

Thus because we already lynched two scums, a traitor would have been endgamed.

In regards to the tracker claim, I am having serious trouble believing this claim. The last game mastina hosted, all the power roles were JOATs. Scum won that game and in analyzing why town lost, mastina wrote:

Subject: Mini Normal 1873: The Ranting/Raving Thread

So if the town mislynches Titus here, they'll have committed five of the deadly cardinal sins in a game. I'm listing them below:

Sin the first: Ignoring Lynch All Liars

. "But mastina!", the town desperately cries out. "Town lie, too!" Why yes! Yes they do! Which is why you have to actually fucking EVALUATE the lie, and you've thusfar been failing to do so. In this case, run Lexa's claim through the following three-strikes rule:

STRIKE ONE: How the lie was found.

Lexa told a lie with the intention of it sticking. It was only when TheRealGin-N-Tonic forcefully exposed her lie (she claimed VT, and Gin, with a Neapolitan, got a "Not a Vanilla Townie" result) that she was put in a position where she had no choice but to change her claim. Check.

STRIKE TWO: The circumstances behind the lie.

Lexa claimed her motive for lying, but did it actually make sense? Why, no. No, it didn't. You let her bullshit slide without giving a thought as to whether it made sense to do her actions as town, and didn't consider if maybe her actions made more sense as scum. (They did.)

STRIKE THREE: The convenience of the claim.

Lexa claimed to block known entities only. Garmr was a claimed VT. Pepchoninga was obviously flaked from the game. (More on that below.) All Alone was dead already, and unable to call her out on this (which he would have done!). There were questions as to why she didn't block other players--there weren't any in-depth inquiries as to why she DID block who she did, and while a player did bring up how "easy" the claim was...you failed to actually fucking USE that to lynch her.

Sin the second: failure to do basic setup spec.

Let's look at the roles we've had claimed, and flipped. We've got a JOAT who has a rolecop and a Vanilla Cop: these powers share an obvious theme. We've got a claimed JOAT who had a doctor, jailkeep, and bodyguard: these powers share the theme of protection. We've got a claimed JOAT who had a cop, gunsmith, and neapolitan: these powers share the theme of being hard investigatives. We've got a claimed JOAT who has a track, follow, and motion detector: these powers share the theme of being tracker-variant powers. We've got a claimed full-Roleblocker.

...
...
...One of these things is not like the others. Lynch the odd woman out.

Sin the third: failure to do basic interactions

. Who could Titus actually be scum with? Realistically. Her reads are scattered all over the place, lacking strong cohesion. The little she's pushed suggests strongly she's not scum with PranaDevil. The fact that PranaDevil and shannon both heavily suspect her indicates she's less likely to be their scumbuddies, too. The only possibilities are TheRealGin-N-Tonic and Lexa, but more on the Lexa scenario below. She's a universal scumread. That means, every player--literally every player in the game--is calling her scum. Which means one of two things: either her scumbuddy is bussing her...or FAR more likely (and this is the reason a failure to do basic interactions is a cardinal sin!), she's the town mislynch in lylo: scum want her dead and so do town.

Sin the fourth: failure to consider the circumstances of the game in relationship to the slot

. Pepchoninga was in the process of siteflaking at the end of D1. D2 and D3 were quicklynches, so I was unable to replace the slot. It wasn't until I was presented with evidence of the siteflake that I could replace the slot on D4. This told the town that Pepchoninga was unable to do anything. In other words, Titus as town would have all of her powers, or be scum with a scumbuddy who was playing solo for two if not THREE of the game's nights--figure out who said scumbuddy would be before so much as considering a lynch on Titus, because Titus would not be the one driving the nightkills.

Sin the fifth: failure to apply occam's razor

. Which makes more sense? Titus claimed a role which perfectly fit into the game as scum, when she hadn't even read the game and was in a slot which hadn't played since D1...OR, that Titus had a role which was actually fucking in the game?
Furthermore, which of the below scenarios makes the most sense?
Titus is scum, and Lexa is also scum. Titus claims a result indicating she is blocked, and Lexa is a claimed roleblocker. They did this to establish distance. (If you somehow believe this, then the correct move is...fucking lynching Lexa.)
Titus is scum with shannon, Lexa is a town roleblocker. Titus, knowing Lexa is a roleblocker, claims a result indicating she is blocked, knowing Lexa is going to have a claim which contradicts her.
Titus is scum with someone else, Lexa is town. Titus, knowing Lexa is a roleblocker AND that shannon had a jailkeeper, claims a result indicating she is blocked, in spite of knowing Lexa is going to claim a result which will contradict her.
Titus is town, Lexa is a town roleblocker. Titus got blocked, yet Lexa truthfully blocked PranaDevil, meaning that Titus was blocked by either shannon or TheRealGin-N-Tonic.
OR.
How about, without speculating about any other things.
Titus is town. Lexa, the claimed roleblocker, roleblocked Titus, and lied about who she blocked.

That is the simplest scenario. No twists. No assumptions. No crazy wacky shenanigans. One simple theory, using known facts.

This is why the town should be lynching Lexa.
And this is why a failure to do so would be a perfect instance of why those fatal five flaws are cardinal sins of townplay.

In this case, flubber is the odd-ball out with his X-shot tracker claim.

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^^Awesome accidental page top! Woot!

Also, intent to vote Flubbernugget, but I'm not sure if he is at L-2 or L-1.

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@Flubber, if Math's push on trranscend was an embarassment (as you call it), why are you voting Transcend and not Math?

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^^Awesome accidental page top! Woot!

Also, intent to vote Flubbernugget, but I'm not sure if he is at L-2 or L-1.

L-1

Thanks.

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@Flubber, IIRC, Math claimed vigilante on Day 1. What did you hope to gain by tracking a claimed vig?

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Do not vote Flubber we have 20 days before deadline, scum should be in VTs by claims and I am 99% sure Transcend is scum anyway.

I'm not hammering.

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At least not yet. Lots of stuff to discuss and we have a long way to go before deadline.

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@Flubber, why did you decide to track N1 but not N2?

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@Flubber, why did you decide to track N1 but not N2?

I wanted to use it later when I had a smaller pool to track

So that's why you used your first shot N1 when you had an even larger pool to track. Riiiiight.

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Nice scumslip btw.

How is this a slip?

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Nice scumslip btw.

How is this a slip?

We knew. Implies a collective.

And didn't we all know Titus was the vig on day 2?? She did claim on D2 so I fail to see what you are seeing.

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Meh I'm gonna feel silly if I replaced into this game just to lynch Transcend and he turns out not to be scums.

Ewwwwww

I have a date with Cleopatra...but ewwwwwww

I agree it is eew, but what are you getting out of it? Regardless of flubber's alignment, Nancy is confirmed town

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VOTE: Flubbernugget

L-1

For the following reasons...

1.

Setup spec.

How to win a mastina game: Listen to mastina theory. How to lose a mastian game: Ignore mastina theory.

Town lost the last mastina game because they ignored her game theory. They ignored the blatant and obvious claim that did not match with the other claims and flips. In the words of Sesame Street "One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just does not belong." In this case, the thing that does not belong is Flubbernugget's claim. Theory states to lynch the odd ball out.

2.

Contradictory motives and actions.

I questioned why flubber tracked on N1 but not N2, he claimed it was because he wanted to have a smaller pool to track on N3. How does this make sense? Wouldn't it make far more sense to not track N1 if you want a smaller tracking pool?

3.

Contradictions in his vote and in his pushes.

VOTE: Transcend

My biggest issue here is fighting off the EC lynch

Also going "flubber looks town but he's still scum, really" doesn't look like that try hard town you were talking about earlier

Here he is voting transcend (spoiler: his vote is still on transcend). However, later he states:

You're not conftown and your push on Transcend was an embarrassment

Here he is in his interactions with MathBlade. If he truly feels that MathBlade's push was awful, then why is he voting Transcend. Furthermore, from his point of view, MathBlade should still be a potential scum suspect; however, he does not treat MathBlade as a potential scum suspect.

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Fuck you all for lynching while I'm busy.
I believe there's a hammer but I don't have the time to confirm right now, so I'll leave the thread open for now.

Fuck you for being busy while we are lynching! Lazy mod!

<<< Yeah well I didn't have the time to handle any flip, be it one which would end the game OR go into night phase especially given a desire from others to accelerate night. In fact I almost didn't log in at all, which means the first you'd have heard of me would be right now. >>>

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Mafia scum is the only forum where a game can get handed to town and still have it lost anyway

Flubber, if you are town, you would be working your ass off to give us final information before the mod locks the thread and flips you. The fact that you are sitting here and complaining certainly does not sit well with me.

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Speed night plz

+1

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Speed night plz

On a re read, this seems like transcend knew that this was a mislynch.

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Just remember scum haven't conceded so NO ONE IS CONF TOWN if I die:

No one is confirmed town. Period.

[ThinkBig]

And if there is a tomorrow, please do not instavote. I can't tell you how many games I've lost because of idiotic instavotes in My/LyLo

[ThinkBig]

I am probably insta voting you tomorrow

The fact that you seem to know that there is going to be a tomorrow bothers me the most.

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It's probably just Flubber.

Agree. If this was me and I was town, I'd be working my butt off to try and find the last remaining scum. I think this should be gg.

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Page top!

Just checking in. Please don't vote. I really want time to re read the thread

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W

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Haha take that mastina

<<< Take the pagetop?
Why, don't mind if I do! >>>

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Seriously fuck you. You can give me at least one top!

<<< Spam while I'm offline and you might have a chance. >>>

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Mind says tb

Gut says Math



I'm at work rn. I'll look at this more afterwards.

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Seriously fuck you. You can give me at least one top!

<<< Spam while I'm offline and you might have a chance. >>>

Did someone say spam? Yum!

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Ok seriously talk to me transcend. Why is your mind saying me and your gut saying Math?

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Ok. I will be away for Shabbat at that time. I'll try and check in periodically tomorrow.

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Please no one quick vote!

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Ok seriously talk to me transcend. Why is your mind saying me and your gut saying Math?

Agreed. Because I am severely obvTown here. Like anyone pitching a me scum case I do not understand at all.

Yeah. I have you as lock town and transcend will have to try extremely hard for me to even think about voting you.

Seems he wants to try and keep the lynch pool as wide as possible.

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VOTE: ircher

VOTE: Lexa

if you're so concerned about him being L-1 why didn't you unvote him

kill this

VOTE: ircher

VOTE: Lexa

then why haven't you tried to put your vote to good use?

there's several things you can get your input on

for instance, rb vs. rc.

and then suddenly i got bored

VOTE: ircher

flubber: was your vote on RC rvs?

This feels like a very strange progression. Ircher/my slot/ircher/my slot and the. To someone completely different in less than 30 posts.

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This is getting kinda tiresome tbh

VOTE: Eddie

VOTE: Fart

VOTE: antihuman

Transcend votes fart, Anti human votes Eddie, then transcend votes anti (?)

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I am. I'm just going through everything right now. I don't want to leave anything unturned.

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Though why is transcend still RVSing on page 9?

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If you have me as lock Town then who else could be scum besides Transcend?

By PoE, no one.

I still want to hear from transcend.

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Curse you mastina!

<<< I'm cursed with awesomeness. >>>

[ThinkBig]

I'll summarize my case as best as I can. Note that I am phone posting so I apologize in advance for formatting errors. This will probably take up multiple posts.

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Reading everything rn

Your VCA looks town motivated even if it concludes with a wrong answer

And what would be the "right" answer to Math's VCA conclusion.

Ps: still working on transcend case

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Yeah fuck it

I have nothing at all to obv town myself so if tb is town I'm gonna get lynched 99/100 times

Eeeeeew. I'm basically treating this as a scum claim.

VOTE: Transcend

Math if you are scum congrats.

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Reading everything rn

Your VCA looks town motivated even if it concludes with a wrong answer

And what would be the "right" answer to Math's VCA conclusion.

Ps: still working on transcend case

Transcend can you answer this?

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Transcend why am I scum?

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Speed night plz

Case in point as to why transcend is scum. This is a perspective slip.

Why does town!Transcend immediately call for a quick night for someone he thinks will flip scum?

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Seriously transcend?? This is fucking LyLo. Make or break the game and that's what you have??

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Well I am gay and do enjoy a good ass fucking. However I certainly do not want to lose to scum!Transcend.

I eagerly await your

case

shades against me.

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^Accidental page top. Woot woot!!

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Mind says tb

Gut says Math

I'm at work rn. I'll look at this more afterwards.

You never answered this. While math is all but conf town, why did you suspect him here in the first place?

Ask yourself: What motivation does scum!TB have of having Math as a solid lock town read at the beginning of LyLo? None.
What motivation does scum!Transcend have of keepin Math as a potential suspect? To make a LyLo mislynch more likely.

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Quick meta read of transcend, his play is awfully much like Micro 676.
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=69969

I noted in my case there that he kept flip flopping his reads and his read progression made little sense from a town PoV. Math's own VCA noted that transcend is moving his vote around like crazy and Certain votes "was just to see how the wind takes him."

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replace out

<<< I would honor this but it apparently doesn't stand. >>>

Someone else can deal with MathBlade

It won't be me

Dead thread access is desired please.

Furthermore there is this. Having re scanned the thread, this feels like caught scum who is trying to strategically replace out for his team.

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VOTE: MathBlade

No they are not scum but i feel town will achieve their wincon better with this slot lynched than with it alive

Bye

Math isn't scum, but town will better achieve their win con by lynching someone who isn't scum.

Dafaq?

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Ultimately a summary of the case is the following:

1. Incoherent read and vote progression
-Ex. 1 voting you while saying you are not scum but think that town will be better off by lynching town.
-Ex. 2 his vote on me this LyLo

Yeah fuck it

I have nothing at all to obv town myself so if tb is town I'm gonna get lynched 99/100 times

Translation: "I can't obv town so here is a vote on ThinkBig."

I fail to see the town motivation behind this especially in LyLo.

2. Perspective slips

A perspective slip is when a player says or does something that simply doesn’t make sense from a town perspective. Oftentimes this revolves around empathy and the sudden loss of it in pursuit of an agenda, but there are other examples as well. For example, why does town instantly ask for a fast night after flubber was hammered?


==More Coming==

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I'll be back after shul/lunch to address transcend.

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hey math you like math?

slot #3 is aronis aka chaos omega

they were scum

add 5

slot #8 is eddiecane

he was scum

add 5

slot #13 is think big / lexa

guess what!?!?!?

Um you do realize that all roles are completely random...right?

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Gg I was scum.

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You should read the mafia PT. I was nervous as fuck. Nancy had me as lock town and I almost killed you until she started to get paranoid of me.

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Nah. I was a serial killer. I am self aligned.

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Though his 1-shot BP claim is what led to his lynch.

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Awesome town victory. Good game all.

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Awesome town victory. Good game all.

you're so lucky that you subbed into such an obvious town slot

and that alisae gambitted you and you towned your slot up

aghghagh

I know! Thanks Alisae! Love you.

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Eddie Cane and aronis, I really hope to role scum with you guys again. Y'all were great buddies.

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On a serious note, town lost because they failed to do a simple night kill analysis. Why was Alisae killed N1? Simple: Because he was SRig me and tunneling me. I hate it when Alisae tunnels me and so he had to die. Why was math here in LyLo? Because he was tunneling transcend all game.

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Hope to see you all in another game.

I really hate playing scum but feel I did pretty well considering I carried my team to a win.

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but not transcend DEFINITELY not transcend he was SCUM

i mean i did claim it LOL

reverse psychology didn't work THIS TIME

Next time try crumbling "Town here" and not "Ma here."

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*Maf

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Lol.

You played a good scum game Transcend. It was pretty obvious as I was a cop with a guilty on you.

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What's that? Page top!!!

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Tin foil hat theory: Math was the one who was actually scum and kept us waiting to torture us a bit before he claimed victory.

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Sure. The first thing you do when scum is not to claim it like you did.

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Ugh now I need to come up with a new response to an Alisae gambit.

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Tin foil hat theory: Math was the one who was actually scum and kept us waiting to torture us a bit before he claimed victory.

nope don't you worry

i was mafia 1-shot ninja

made to dodge the tracker

i used it the same night he tracked nancy

would've been an inno zzz

Nice. So that explains the balance some.

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You did a good job shading me in the end. I will give you that!

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I was gonna troll but I don't have it in me.

I was Town. I debated it though.

Seriously...This is killing me

I think I made the right choice.

You did. I was town. We won!

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I love twilight trolling

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You did a good job shading me in the end. I will give you that!

It was his shading that actually made me confident enough to vote.

That and the fact he voted first and then tried to use it against you.

Not to mention "I can't obvtown so here is a vote." Lol. No serious townie would do that in LyLo

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I can't wait to read dead thread.

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You almost had me transcend. You almost had me.

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You did a good job shading me in the end. I will give you that!

It was his shading that actually made me confident enough to vote.

That and the fact he voted first and then tried to use it against you.

Not to mention "I can't obvtown so here is a vote." Lol. No serious townie would do that in LyLo

note to self: never fight 3 way as scum while at work

pedit: scum pt was pretty interesting. aronis was TREMBLING IN FEAR, lemme tell ya, at how hard thinkbig caught him as scum and i was just like... it's a'ite buddy it'll be okay but it really wasn't. we just got rekt. LMFAO

And I can't wait to read Eddie's response to getting guilted. He really had me pocketed.

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Why would Transcend kill me? You were obv town and Nancy would have been conf town

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Pagetop

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are you serious

how the fuck would you have considered me town over the tracker inno

like rb's reaction to being fruit vended obvious town as fuck

lmfao

i was boned basically and meme'd throughout the entire game

i guess i did get a tracker claim lynched tho so that speaks volumes

Yeah your tracker claim response spoke volume so. We should have lynched you then.

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Lol. He did a good job fighting tooth and nail against the guilty. I'll give him that.

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Had fart not have guilted him, fart may have been lynched and Eddie would have sailed to a near perfect scum win.

Fart gets the MVP award.

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What award do I get?

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aronis and i were just memeing while eddie was carrying

then eddie got guiltied and i wanted to die

Lol. You should have replaced out when you had he chance to.

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I knew there was something awfully wrong about his replace out request

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What award do I get?

Thanks for being for Town than Transcend EoD award?

Works for me!

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no hard feelings to anyone, everything i said was only to town my slot up, not to offend anyone.

i play p dirty as scum sometimes and need to figure out how to play a cleaner game as mafia.

My scum game sucks. There is no way I would have responded to the miller claim the way I did if I was scum

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no hard feelings to anyone, everything i said was only to town my slot up, not to offend anyone.

i play p dirty as scum sometimes and need to figure out how to play a cleaner game as mafia.

My scum game sucks. There is no way I would have responded to the miller claim the way I did if I was scum

yeah alisae clearly tr'd you this game and i decided a little bit too late that the frame kill wasn't a good move and i probably should've just hit math

Alisae would probably have lynched me out of paranoia and killing Math would have gotten you almost instalnches

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I will be nominating Math for a scum hunter award

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If there was a twilight trolling award, it would definitely go to transcend and myself.

Seriously though: sorry for the town loss.

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Whelp GG all won't be back til late tonight.

To victors go the spoils. Whoever you are.

On a serious not trolling level, I was scum.

This was probably one of my best scum games

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implementing 21 day deadlines in all my games that's a REALLY good RULE gives us lots of time for EXTRA SCUMHUNTING so tha we can SOLVE THE GAME MORE i mean, it really helped town out they TOTALLY SOLVED THE GAME

Seriously. That's why town won mastina's last mini normal

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I'd love some serious feedback on my play

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@Mod: can we please get a flip and end the game? I really want to see the dead thread and the scum PT

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@Mod: can we please get a flip and end the game? I really want to see the dead thread and the scum PT

Can't you already see the scum PT if scum?

#ForTheLoveOfAllThingsPleaseStopTrollingMe

I can see the scum PT and am actually scum. Just thought I'd troll a bit. But I'd love to read the dead thread.

At the end of yesterday I was screaming for the mods to lock the thread when Nancy was close to catching me.

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This game is a shining example of why scum shouldn't give up when town is in an "auto lock" win.

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What's that? Yet another pagetop!!

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Ok transcend you can stop trolling scum won and you know it. You're just afraid to admit you lost to scum!TB

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Town lost. You can admit you were defeated by scum!TB. It's ok. I still love you*.









*No I don't.

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The best part of twilight is that MathBlade was the SK

Damn it!!!!

I knew math was torturing us with the delayed hammer. Fuck.

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Good game everyone

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VOTE: Smith

Lynch all angels.

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Well played math. I was getting very nervous with where you will vote. Thanks for making the"right" choice

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Eh I really need to break my scum meta. Lurking will be my downfall as scum

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Alisae was killed because he started tunneling me and getting paranoid about me.

Fun fact: I submitted every night kill.

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Thanks for the miller gambit. It helped me to pocket math, Titus, and Nancy

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How to read transcend: If he is trolley and all over the place he is probably town.

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TBH if I was math I'd totally have hammered me. Transcend did make a fantastic case against me

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I don't feel that I deserve the win, but hey I'll take it anyway.

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And once again, RC and I are OPPOSITE alignments.

If RC town, TB is scum.
If TB town, RC is scum.

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no one deserved to win this game except MathBlade the SK

^^

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@titus did you ever consider vigging me

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Who's down for an endgame lynch?

VOTE: ThinkBig

For obvious reasons

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Which player was that?

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Lexa. (It was an honest mistake on her part, but she did in fact make one.)

Lol. Oops.

Which explains why my slot was replaced

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Wrong thread, Titus. Lol.

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VOTE: Titus

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HURT: Ircher