Gold Miner $laughter - GAME OVER - mini 1912

[Zachstralkita]

Bins join the choo choo express to Nero off a cliff station, please. If we do order Nero ----> A50 we get one scum at least


Dunn never been in the mf mines. #coalgang

[Zachstralkita]

stop pushing bins, dunn you're going in the wrong direction


scum predicted there'd be some sort of counter to the obvious NK based on bins "scum tracker" comments yesterday

IE I'm the tracker so scum must think there's some sort of watcher role, they have no clue what Bins is alluding to, so they target Charloux and not A50

[Zachstralkita]

the fact that bins protected A50 means that theory is kind of on the mark: A50 wasn't a safe kill for scum at end of Day 1 yesterday and scum thought about watchers/trackers so they left-field NK charloux

[Zachstralkita]

If Me/Tywin/Persi were scum Nero would be lynched by now. If nero were a mislynch he would have been mislynched far easier.

Um.,,, he got to fucking L-1 early day and said none of the things that he's claimed more recently in the day? Why did that not ping anyone?


Nero's wagon has always been mostly town driven

[Zachstralkita]

scum may have coal too. if two townies have coal



like nero has to count on people like you to derail his wagon

he crumbled when A50 and I were pushing him


As scum you want to hinder town utility at all costs. That's why a scum RB would have went to "Doctor" A50 over "Mystery Role" Nero n1.. and I didn't even claim a PR(why target me) and I got a result that conflicts with what Nero claimed.

I saw him go nowhere. A50 didn't receive a visit and Nero said he went to neighborize A50


Why would he target Almost50 night one with neighborizer?

Give me two days to use my actions on Zack and Tywin and then feel free to mislynch me if ya'll think I've "bussed" them.

He claimed he had 1 JK shot. His actions make no sense

He claimed a day vote manipulator (make someone loved). Make someone.. harder to lynch...geee. definitely positive town utility

[Zachstralkita]

Zach, what do you think of the possibility of a50 being a scum doctor to counter a town pgo?

ignore nero for now

He wouldn't defend Nero like he did D1 and 2 if he was scum unless they are together


Not going to ignore nero

[Zachstralkita]

Ok

I think I've figured this out

VOTE: almost50

Nero first you're not getting A50 today

A50 HARD DEFENDED Nero and ignored all pushes on him.

he could have joined Nero wagon earlier because he'd have been the only scum there if he were scum. But he staunchly opposed to that lynch until I claimed my track


He was the FIRST one to vote Nero after that too

Isn't Nero L1? Or not?

because he said he went to A50 and A50 said he DID NOT get the visit

AND I returned "he went nowhere" so one of them is lying.

*Sigh*

How am I lying when you saw him go nowhere and I said I didn't get a neighbourhood invitation??

Saying it again bro it's one of two possible outcomes


I want to lynch NERO - maybe help?

[Zachstralkita]

I must be slow

[Zachstralkita]

So a50 is scum doctor to counter protectives? Is that the gist of it?

[Zachstralkita]

"Protectives" typo hah. Ha

[Zachstralkita]

For what it's worth I'm Vengeful


If theres not another town watcher then two protectives make sense? Are you full shot doc bins?


Keep in mind If Nero is a scum JOAT (he claimed JOAT with sketchy) it makes sense to have 2 protective

You think town JOAT makes sense with doctor, two PGOs one ascetic and a vengeful tracker


I definitely dont. That's fucking stacked

So no not really resolved. Nero is scum?


I really didn't want to claim my Venge but you guys prolly weren't gonna lynch me

[Zachstralkita]

JOAT with sketchy abilities*

[Zachstralkita]

Bins did soft Watcher

I softed that I thought scum had a Watcher.

Scum knew they didn't , town has tracker


They thought you saying scum had a watcher meant that town having a watcher was founded in some way. So they didn't chance a target on A50?


pedit yeah dunn


Neros a better bet today. Town has 3 killing roles one ascetic one doctor and a venge track

Neros weird ass JOAt claim doesn't feel right to me

A50 just claimed passive ability

[Zachstralkita]

I have a pr but I don't give results. I have a nieghborizer, the previously mentioned love maker, 1x motivate, and 1x jailkeep.

Keep in mind Nero said he'd target Tywin or I yesterday then he claims target A50 neighborize

[Zachstralkita]

No he's talking about a day ability


Make someone loved in the vote count so they're harder to lynch?

Benefits town how?

[Zachstralkita]

It's scum lol that's too much town power or is it not?

[Zachstralkita]

UNVOTE:

I'll take in all this information but his role is hard to believe

and ok @ the other meaning of loved

Nah nah nah Aye cuz you know what the right move is

It's time to get Nero "CANE"D











(beat repetitively with stick object)



LESGETIT

[Zachstralkita]

If you don't lynch Nero you have to lynch me so I can let that weapon off









Haha,only joking


Unless I'm not

[Zachstralkita]

But I mean I understand your concerns. A50 is a known finnesser as scum. I just don't think scumA50 would hard hard defend Town!Nero

[Zachstralkita]

Oh wait Zach got no result I finally get it

I got "he went nowhere eventful" which is a no result for all intents and purposes

[Zachstralkita]

I don't know what the distinction would be because I asked and I was told I only know what I know from my point of view, a hypothetical situation wouldn't be answered

[Zachstralkita]

But what would another reason be for me to see he went nowhere if he claimed to target A50?

That's why I said that


Unless he was roleblocked and then we go into the A50 scum theory.


Which happens anyway if we lynch order Nero to A50 if Nero(unlikely) flips town


And doc on me?

[Zachstralkita]

Like my point is if I wasn't roleblocked then Nero was or Neros lying so what you're saying I'm faulty for doesn't matter?

That's the actual point because he said he targeted A50 and A50 denied it

[Zachstralkita]

Oh was that a hammer

lmfao I didn't even know

so? either he flips red or not.



If he flips town we have a lynch pool it involves a50 and the people i townread


i'd also be in the "lynch pool" but I'm a vengeful tracker

[Zachstralkita]

literally if nero flips town: A50 --> Tywin /Drixx -------------------> Persi


he said his flip would confirm the scum team anyway.

which i literally only realized that was what he was saying just last page

the think was that if I was roleblocked he'd get the same "went nowhere" result so....

Yes and I said multiple times

Scum have no reason to RB you night one over Town Doc claim. Absolutely Zero


If they do then that makes A50 scum hence lynch pool.

[Zachstralkita]

unless scum is you and tywin and you were afraid of nero using his "action" on you two

which i suppose would be more imporatnt of a block than town doc

it's not me. the result has to be explained in some way


if nerotown then A50/Tywin



pedit nope i'm still town

It was pretty obvious that I was town too since like all d1 there was never a counter-wagon to me and me and

Drixx? Desp? Charloux? lol

[Zachstralkita]

Drixx? Desp? Charloux? lol

ok then, wich of my supposed scumbuddies helped push those wagons?

sling/RM/a50/maybe oldwino


if you're town drixx goes in pool like i said

if you're town its more like tywin/a50/drixx

[Zachstralkita]

one of my powers is a vote manipulation role, I can declare love for someone and make them loved. Presumably, this will be reflected in vote counts and will thus prove that I am what I say I am, a JOAT.

So why didn't you attempt to clear yourself (at least of one ability) after I claimed track result on you? You were here for that. Before you offered to use it if I went to Tywin Lannister, but I claim something that makes you look guilty and you WIFOM in response to me? You never even mention this ability again.

Not once here have you considered me!town.

You said it was a day ability. Did you use it?

On yourself, maybe? Was that allowed?

Mod doesnt VC too frequent so we won't really know for a while what's going to happen.


You also claimed motivate Like Dunn said, what roles would you "motivate" if most of our town roles are already active?

[Zachstralkita]

yes... yes.. i am



this is what i mean


i literally proposed the scumreads you said in response to if you flip town AND a50 because my fucking result means someone lied.

[Zachstralkita]

if your pr was supposed to "motivate" mine I doubt my character would have left her fucking house if she wasn't "motivated", so I doubt that's a reason I saw you go nowhere


so my result means if you're town that you got roleblocked because I saw you go nowhere and A50 says you didn't visit him


and unless someone provides a case for why scum RBs town nero over town A50 night one, A50 is the next lynch


even dunn and bins wanted to lynch there

[Zachstralkita]

you still can't consider us being TvT?

If I was actually wrong about you then you're actually wrong about me

Why do I push you day one, push you day two then fake a claim to lynch you??? lmao


my role doesn't make sense as scum with no town vig.

I mean we have PGOs, but they can't shoot me unless I target them.


So if I was scum vengeful tracker I could literally use my role to get 2 free kills (mislynching someone with a fake result)(getting lynched the next day and shooting someone)


I've claimed my venge already, scum would have def hidden it



We know scum has an RB because no way all of [me,you,a50] can be telling the truth

and unless someone provides a case for why scum RBs town nero over town A50 night one

you were afraid that I'd target you and Ty.

ok but in the scenario that i'm town. which is true




you have to answer for THAT scenario

[Zachstralkita]

Didn't answer any of my PR questions, nero. What do you really have to lose. You're dead. Did you make anyone loved or not? Why not? Were you able to use it on yourself?




Unfortunately I happen to be town so.. again, lynch pool.

[Zachstralkita]

Your wagon developed a L-2 counterwagon in 20 minutes and stalled, it only took off when a town PR's result contradicted yours

Yes, it's confusing to me too

[Zachstralkita]

no i'm saying you want me to get lynched?

you want me to get lynched and shoot someone but you think I'm scum? LOL


there's no vigilante to target and shoot me there's only PGOs (and scum)

so there may or may not be a third party


nero you're still tunneled after your own death. that's what doesnt make sense

were i actually scum here, what I just did solved the game for town by giving you a scum pool of me and your whole wagon, EXACTLY like you said.

[Zachstralkita]

no i mean i got you lynched when hypothetically scum me knows you'll flip town


IE Confing me and others scum


makes no logistical sense if I were scum

you want me to get lynched and shoot someone but you think I'm scum? LOL

scum venge is a thing. Claiming venge is also a good way to scare off votes from you and/or explain why you aren't dead yet.

Venge is a kill if I get lynched. It doesn't do anything if people try to shoot me at night.


If I don't die it'll be because I have doc protection.

[Zachstralkita]

that means the scum team is scum vengeful tracker and a RB and ,... x


VS JOAT[1x motivate, make loved, jailkeep, neighborize], two doctors, and two PGOs?

Including two neighbor pairs? You think Persi/Drixx so that would mean one scum in each neighborhood?

Or it's Drixx if you flip town and I'm scum? Like Desperado said Day 1? So one town pair basically and one 50/50 scum pair? Or one scum in each neighborhood pair, which is weird?

We know A50 went on Drixx so that clears him of roleblocking you hypothetically if you were town


So if I'm scum like you say does the setup make sense? I don't think it does

[Zachstralkita]

except i'm town so it would be

JOAT, vengeful 1x ninja tracker, xshot Ninja PGO Doctor, PGO, Doctor

That's what it is if we're both town, if A50's scum we still have three killing roles a protective, a tracker, and you claimed you have neighborize, jailkeep, and motivate shots. as well as a day vote manipulation ability.

VS: Scum RB, and ...??

so is nero really lynched?

I thought he needed like 4 more votes

actually dunn unvoted and never went back he might be at L-1 still

Tywin, Persi, Zach, Bins, Almost50

Who am I missing

[Zachstralkita]

you weren't even hammered


and we have no way of knowing if you knew that already or not


i guess i cant really do anything if they unvote you though

[Zachstralkita]

Persivul Tywin Zach Dunnstral

Dunn goes to A50

Bins joins

Persivul Tywin Zach Bins

A50 joins

that's L-1


so yeah, now that you're not dead if you're town you can answer my questions in any capacity


you were the one who brought up that you were "hammered first", I can't tell if you knew it wasn't true or not

the only thing bad about after the "hammer" is you're still tunneling me

[Zachstralkita]

@Zach why not get lynched and just venge kill me?

Yeah, cause I can get lynched by myself.


pedit lmfaooo




no one unvote

Another Scum slip. You really should learn to shut up when you fake being hammered.

How do you knows its a slip unless you know we have 4 scum?

And YOU were the one pushing the idea that we had 2 teams of 2...4 scum. lol

Not the answer I was looking for.

3 scum in a mini is normal, you said earlier dreal's games have 3 mafia and and SK sometimes.

I thought you would say that as your answer, but you didn't just now.

Now can you tell me why you didn't use your love power? Like you stopped talking about it after I told you I wasn't going on Tywin for it?

pedit he actually JUST said it, that's kind of a townpoint.



Persivul, can you tell us what you and Nero talked about in your neighborhood last night?

[Zachstralkita]

I just said that you said it lol

[Zachstralkita]

I think Persivul can see if this makes sense though. I vaguely recall him saying you talked about A50 last night

[Zachstralkita]

Drixx, do I really think he trolls as scum in twilight?

We all believed he was hammered, but he wasn't.


So yes, I considered the possibility of my read being incorrect

Doesn't change my result my vote is still there until we clear it up

Nero you're going to have to decide whether I'm scum or you're actually tunneled beyond the grave and back

And I'm going to need a few people to tell him I'm town.

[Zachstralkita]

I need some info on your neighborhood stuff so I'm waiting on your neighbor

I literally told you everything and you still think I'm scum lol


The fact that the hammer wasn't real literally means I can't write you off as anything yet


If you're town no scum is going to lol hammer. That's a policy lynch

[Zachstralkita]

Anyone who posts after this should know Nero is l-1(bins stayed on right)

So no excuse if it really happens and you're town

Doesn't change my result my vote is still there until we clear it up

Weren't you pushing a one of Nero/a50 is scum and then turned around and argued that a50 as scum wouldn't defend me d1 and earlier today?

like how is that not a contradiction?

A50 being scum depends on your flip

My position has always been there's one scum in you two

[Zachstralkita]

for being tunneled up my ass?

Like I don't actually care just don't block my track with your jk shot if you're town lol

[Zachstralkita]

I too will admit that I was scuba tunneled up your ass if you flip town

Town!you has another chance due to not hammer and how do you spend it? Doing the same shit that made me push you to death.

[Zachstralkita]

again Nero your alignment is still ambiguous because of the hammer situation

I'm not doing anything until circumstances make it less ambiguous

We all believed he was hammered

I didn't

I think you're hammerred

[Zachstralkita]

Dunn: "I'm thinking on a higher level"

[Zachstralkita]

for being tunneled up my ass?

I should town read you b/c I'm tunneling on you?

no you should realize if you're deathtunneled there's some way besides me dying for you to know I'm town


And it doesn't involve me pandering to you

[Zachstralkita]

again Nero your alignment is still ambiguous because of the hammer situation

so basicly you want me to stop calling you scum yet you refuse to move until I'm lynched. lol

I mean like for your sake. Maybe for you and I's sake. Everyone else knows I'm town


Why would you be in danger? Whoever scumhammers you is fucked.

It's like you're hanging off a cliff with a safety belt. Trust exercise sort of deal.

@Dunn do you consider neighbors as PRs? If so then do you clear one or both of the neighborhoods based on your reads?

A two man all town neighborhood is like a mason pair . Positive town utility


That's why I had Drixx/Nero as scum

oldwino went to tywin for what reason tho?

[Zachstralkita]

Nero/Persi

Bins/Drixx


I'm saying if you believe they're all town then that's two mason pairs basically added to all the shit town has.

Not likely is it?

[Zachstralkita]

I dunno how my memory be working someone gotta fact check me lol

[Zachstralkita]

My fault it was chariuz

[Zachstralkita]

bins and drixx are neighbors?

I never said I believed neighbors were mason pairs, I didn't even say I thought all prs were town

But if the people in the neighborhoods are both town are they not like masons?


I think you bins are town I know I'm town, Nero is undecided


I'm just saying like scum have some voodoo shit or it's scum in the hood

[Zachstralkita]

Yeah I said that


Is it not true?9

[Zachstralkita]

Wait shit I didn't say that LMAao


Nevermind

[Zachstralkita]

Dunn so who do you Sr in the neibjejdifogoors?


Drixx/Nero were the possibilities yes?

like Zach's "stop death tunneling me but I am going to vote you until you are lynched." is really funny.

Nah b you not even going to be lynched that's the plan

[Zachstralkita]

Nero your powers not even that hype for me to push you for two days . I faked vengeful tracker today just to lynch you? Lmao


Dunn yes but if they're not all town in the neighborhoods at least one is scum? Isn't that significant?

We're talking about other scum too but this is like a thing still

pedit @nero was gonna do Drixx depending on what Persivul said about the neighborhood


Like if what he said you guys discussed and what you presented your train of thought as sounded like two different things, I'd think you were scum. That's why I need to know exactly


Dunn was the only person who kinda knew you weren't hammered. It's either a really good town reaction or you're clever scum.

But yeah my train of thought is still centered around my result


If you ever get around to thinking I'm a town tracker and what I got vs what you claimed, you'd see why I was pushing you

Because us both being town means there's a scum roleblocker who didn't target A50.

If we assume A50 is a real doc we assume the RB thought either you or I was optimal to roleblock over a Doc claim.


That or the doc isn't real



Pedit2 um yeah drixx said a50 visited him

Though I guess it's kind of interesting


I mean, you didn't see I visited you. Why did Drixx get a confirmation?

To suspect that would be to suspect both of Drixx/A50 or just Drixx? It fucks stuff up bc I don't know what my result really means unless we have a flip somewhere in me Nero or a50 or w/e

If we're both town it points to A50 for reasons stated above but yeah, it just goes around in circles and is sort of complicated

The Drixx thing is weird tho

dunn do you have other scumreads

[Zachstralkita]

?


But do you think there's no problem with the amount of town power claimed vs what seems reasonable or do we not have the info to determine that?

[Zachstralkita]

It was never implied that my tracker was X-shot. This doesnt make sense unless there's a scum role that disables roles somehow??

[Zachstralkita]

? That's trippy

[Zachstralkita]

I've only ever seen a motivator when the power roles weren't active by default so I have a right to be confused

[Zachstralkita]

Dunn you were there mini 1841 our roles started to work because someone used a motivate?

Did that happen in that game

yeah that's the only experience i have with that role


anyways
UNVOTE:

til Persivul comes

[Zachstralkita]

What do you think about the night result situation


Also Nero claimed he neithborized A50 does your pt look like it supports tho?

He's also claimed a motivate, make loved(voting) and jk shot

[Zachstralkita]

Wth is this role madness lol

[Zachstralkita]

Bins doc'd A50

A50 and Drixx both confirmed that A50 visited Drixx






Yeah Persivul but we've got conflicting night results so not exactly mod conf. You'll know by the time you're caught up

[Zachstralkita]

So regardless of what Dunn had been saying about lynching outside the claims

I don't think all of [Nero,A50] can be town if I'm town based on last night - someone has yet to refute me on this. Say Nero and I are both town and one of I or Nero were potentially roleblocked(Nero claims to neighborize A50, I track him to nowhere, A50 doesn't receive visit), why would scum rb ignore the claimed doc? When do scum not attempt to hinder town utility? Doctor > what Nero claimed Day 1

The lynch should be A50/Tywin


Green flips on these slots would make Nero scum.


I mean A50's refused to scumread Nero like the whole game. He only did when I claimed result

[Zachstralkita]

The fake hammer reaction was really good and I can't tell if it was faked even if it seems unlikely

Otherwise I'd have been fine with flipping Nero but the new plan makes much more sense to resolve this

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: a50


what you said to me is definitely not an answer, dunn

[Zachstralkita]

I'd rather nolynch that vote off my choices
The rest of you can vote with me or nolynch

I'm done compromising and you guys managed to mislynch desperado without me

Lmao cute but this def doesn't apply to me

VOTE: a50

Why him over Ty?

Makes sense because what we claimed to have done last night?

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: a50

Why him over Ty?

Makes sense because what we claimed to have done last night?

Zach, I tried NOT to comment on the vote itself, but this justification is way too much for me to take.

Based on what we claimed to have done last night I'm confirmed to have visited Drixx, and that I asked if he needed my help. I could not have foreseen that dreal will phrase his flavour is such a manner where it does confirm my action. so I can't be Scum visiting Town for credit.

Scum!Me would not protect Town!Drixx & Scum!Drixx would not needlessly confirm Town!me targeted him.

So, either you think me + Drixx are Scum together, or you think us both TOWN. There's no other alternatives to me visiting him and him confirming my visit.

I guess I'll leave it at that for fear I might start being "not nice", which is nothing personal, just RL biting me in the back.

Where YOU went has nothing to do with why I'm lynching you, I've already stated this

[Zachstralkita]

Nero Cain's had some performances that tugged at my heartstrings enough to reconsider the order

Like if I lynch Nero after the fake hammer and he flips town I'm gonna feel like a dickhead

Flips of Tywin/A fifty incriminate him pretty badly if they're town flips tho


Your proposed lynch is meh but I'm not too opppoad to it

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Nero Cain

Sorry Tywin, Neros fake hammer thing made me want to reconsider the read I was tunneled on






Everyone claim your night results (who've claimed PRs already)

[Zachstralkita]

We've some stuff to do today probably so no speedlynch don't run the votes up until we're ready to kill someone

[Zachstralkita]

Ima be tight if that's what he did smh

[Zachstralkita]

A50 darling who did you heal last night

[Zachstralkita]

Nero gets rope today either way tbh but I'm still a idiot


How many mislynches town has left?

[Zachstralkita]

I think three scum

My pool is Nero/Sling (x) right now

But 4 could also be justified based on town power

Unless u and dunn finessed the whole game in which case I'm gonna eat dynamite or something


Really wish we had lynched Nero day one





Even if Neros town this game he's been like negative utility. His largest was is a complete ML... I said it too

Think it's really unlikely now though

[Zachstralkita]

his largest SR*

[Zachstralkita]

this is true

but bp doc + body guard + watcher + tracker and a whole shit ton of us are ninja

is zach scum
we have a watcher AND a tracker? holy poop

fuck, pretty valid point you raise there. guess we'll have to lynch me. oh man.

[Zachstralkita]

probably just scum nero


we should wait for everyone tho

[Zachstralkita]

Hey Nero what were u up to last night

[Zachstralkita]

[Zachstralkita]

scum can have a pgo?

Haha just kidding.








But don't make me use my dayvig

[Zachstralkita]

I actually asked you about your activities first


The fact that you said nothing to begin with is really scummy


I didn't really stop scumreading random he's just interchangeable with sling. But for them to be scum together is kind of a reach imo

[Zachstralkita]

You had my image saved too... sketchy

[Zachstralkita]

Wow last comment was @Dunn

[Zachstralkita]

The fact that you said nothing to begin with is really scummy

overcompensating much? Like you are calling me scum and have been death tunneling me since d1. Why do you feel the need to continue to call my actions "scummy" when FYPOV all my actions are from a scum pov?

I didn't really stop scumreading random he's just interchangeable with sling.

Why did you make that clear in 1769?

But for them to be scum together is kind of a reach imo

how so?

Okay well where do I start.



the first thing you do is runaround my question for the second time today and just say some random bullshit.
The guy you were tunneled on for the whole game flips town and you say nothing. You know exactly what our situation with the PRs is but day starts and you provide zero information or indication of why you wouldn't.Your play is blindingly scummy and what you choose to engage me on is like the least important shit. There's actually no reason for you to have played the way you have at all this game.


I don't know if you think you can get me lynched because.. no one can, but I'm probably not going to do anything until we flip you

I'm not going to say "if you're town" because yesterday was the "if you're town" and we saw how that happened. You literally had 0 reason to scumread Tywin besides him pushing you


If you're town after that you've literally helped scum all game so I don't care



If we have NO Mls after this then Nero is the one to lynch

If we have one ML then it's fine too

Situation would have been way clearer if we went A50 yesterday

[Zachstralkita]

I mean if we have NO MLs it's game over but you know what I mean

[Zachstralkita]

You used your coal last night too drixx?

[Zachstralkita]

Okay well where do I start.



the first thing you do is runaround my question for the second time today and just say some random bullshit.
The guy you were tunneled on for the whole game flips town and you say nothing. You know exactly what our situation with the PRs is but day starts and you provide zero information or indication of why you wouldn't.Your play is blindingly scummy and what you choose to engage me on is like the least important shit. There's actually no reason for you to have played the way you have at all this game.


I don't know if you think you can get me lynched because.. no one can, but I'm probably not going to do anything until we flip you

I'm not going to say "if you're town" because yesterday was the "if you're town" and we saw how that happened.

You literally had 0 reason to scumread Tywin besides him pushing you

If you're town after that you've literally helped scum all game so I don't care



If we have NO Mls after this then Nero is the one to lynch

If we have one ML then it's fine too

Situation would have been way clearer if we went A50 yesterday

nice question dodge.

So a scummy ass Tywin flipped town, like what I'm supposed to apologize for thinking a guy that was death tunneling town and was using really stupid ass fallacies to push said death tunnel was town? Also something about him stopping posting in this game.

@bold ok? That what does that even mean? So I was pushing someone I thought was scum (you are actually my top scum read but you won't get lynched 'cause you have buddies protecting you and then a bunch of derp town.) You KNEW I was pushing Tywin. I find it very opportunistic that you are basically like "oh I gave you a chance and you lynched town, no way you are town!"

@italics If you had actually believed that why would you have even considered the possibility that I'm town? This seems more like the above where you are just using Tywin's flip to claim it incriminates me.

I'll have more words after mass claim.

yeah just lynch this




my team and townies are defending me? Lol

[Zachstralkita]

I never said it was fake at all. Pretty sure you started that?

[Zachstralkita]

It's hardly a "discussion" there were like 2 sentences said on the matter

[Zachstralkita]

I never said it was fake at all. Pretty sure you started that?

I do think your venge

IS

fake but that's not actually what I was saying a few posts ago. Bins or Sling or both? said something about your venge being a lie and I was the one that actually said that you had

NOT

backtracked on the venge. Like you aren't really following the conversation and just posting words here.

It's hardly a "discussion" there were like 2 sentences said on the matter

Do you think you are being helpful by not clarifying your role when atleast two others were confused by said role?

You said it was fake yesterday. all this "solving" you're doing here is super painful for me to read

this is mostly directed at Zach b/c he's the one that's pushing a Nero and one of sling/RM are scum but it should hopefully illustrate my larger point.

I mean you are obviously claiming that sling/random are fake claiming but I mean how could you possibly think that

6. Nero Cain-neighbor and JOAT
4. SlingshotWaffles-vt/10. randomidget-vt
^
that


1. Charloux-neighbor
2. Bins-pgo bodyguard w/ninja
3. Drixx-neighbor and bus driver w/ ninja
7. Zachstralkita-venge tracker
8. Persivul-neighbor
9. Almost50-bp doc
12. Dunnstral-pgo
13. oldwino-watcher w/ninja
^
stacks up to

I'm getting a little ahead of myself here but unless you think that a50 slipped that we have two teams of two (I don't) then you'd have to think there are atlest three scum. I'd like you to speculate on who is the "third" scum (who is actually your buddy) out of all those pr claims and why.

We have 0 scum flips and possibly 0 mislynches and you want me to waste time on preflip bullshit for what reason? In the same post you also call me scum... not that it matters I guess

The clear issue today is lynching scum to avoid auto loss. Unfortunately this happens to be you.

I think we should lynch Zach, and if he IS Town vengeful he takes out Nero. That will clarify the confusion about there being a Roleblocker or not. (Obviously, if Zack is Scum then he has no venge kill to begin with, so Nero gets confirmed, and in the very unlikely case that Zack is Scum WITH a venge shot, then bullocks .. I'll be the one to go with him anyway, but Nero becomes semi-confirmed still).

In the mean time, I would recommend Bins contacts dreal via PM to clarify if her PGO works if she is BG'ing someone and they get shot at. (That would make her an Elite BG). If not, then I strongly recommend she stays put and doesn't BG anyone. Between myself, Bins and Drixx we have 3 confirmed Townies that can very much lock the Town win, and each one of us has the means to protect their own self.

What do you think?

Or you could just lynch Nero rather than flipping me green and having another town corpse to go with it?



I mean, I'm a tracker? Why do you propose the plan that makes zero sense?

Me being scum isn't even feasible here so suggesting my lynch at all is kinda stupid. You didn't even say this yesterday when you thought I was scum.


If you feel it's imperative to lynch me then you actually have to do it. Me pushing my own wagon kind of counts as throwing because my win condition isn't to get lynched. I just happen to have an ability that can potentially help town if i do.


Again though lynch Nero because I'm pretty sure I was a fucking idiot yesterday and let him avoid the lynch

[Zachstralkita]

gee maybe cause I know what my alignment is

[Zachstralkita]

You said it was fake yesterday. all this "solving" you're doing here is super painful for me to read

I

STILL

think it's fake. I was saying that you haven't backtracked from it but the more you dance around the issue it helps to confirm my suspicion that it is a fake.

except you haven't even tried to vote me today because you know exactly what's going to happen

[Zachstralkita]

Cool now we get to watch town throw by not voting you then not voting me either




(which may be my fault)

[Zachstralkita]

Bins and Drixx have sort of cleared A50


Which also clears Drixx unless you want to explain why he uses his action in a manner that's suboptimal for scum last night




How does this fit into the "theory"

[Zachstralkita]

Yes, for fuck's sake. I never retracted it.

I played like a VI day one so I'd get pushed

[Zachstralkita]

Although it would appear I play like a VI every day

[Zachstralkita]

Which also clears Drixx unless you want to explain why he uses his action in a manner that's suboptimal for scum last night




How does this fit into the "theory"

a50 telegraphed that he was BP or something. I don't think scum would shoot at a50 ever though Drixx being a scum bus driver and "shooting" at a50 to either falsely "confirm" him if he's scum or pocket him if he's town makes some sense to me.

But that brings up an interesting question. In your theory that I'm scum and

KNEW

that a50 was a claimed BP or something why would I ever shoot at him?

He didn't claim BP he claimed a "passive ability" yesterday


Really not that solid of a telegraph

[Zachstralkita]

Or you could just lynch Nero rather than flipping me green

and having another town corpse to go with it

?

??????????????????????????????????????????

How is venging Nero "having another town corpse to go with it" to you?? You're so full of it! We have a 3-player town block already, so you're expendable. Thank you very much.

so in that theory

Persivul, Drixx, Zach are scum with one of Bins/Almost/Dunn/Sling/RM as the last scum.

On the other hand, this is a moronic post. Period. Drixx is 100% TOWN. Myself and Bins are 100% TOWN. If you can't see that by now you; Sir' are expendable too.

My mind says lynch Zach and have him venge kill Nero.
But my heart says just lynch Nero.

I'll wait for Bins & Drixx to decide here.

If you lynch me I die hence the town corpse to go with Nero's death


Your town block literally would not exist without me.. my role has more utility to find scum than the PGOs because they claimed lol

[Zachstralkita]

Dunn I'm getting bullied make it all better by lynching nero

[Zachstralkita]

Guys, it's either me or Nero today.

This game can't afford to have us both alive in D2.

this is him saying that he was NOT going to die n1 (there could be more). It's like a clear claim that he would NOT be eating bullets. Since then I have had several posts about a50 being BP. Like

I

believed this was a bp claim and what I believe is far more important that what

you

believe. Like you can't think that I believed that a50 was BP and decided to waste my shot on him. But you are scum so deny deny deny.

This is obviously an argument open to interpretation and not conclusive because you have to speculate about what people believe and what they don't and how obvious A50's "telegraph" is


It doesn't clear you in any way

[Zachstralkita]

I have multiple posts about a50 being bulletproof. You saying that you don't know if that's what I believed is fucking laughable but you aren't town so makes sense.

It's not like you're the only scum? This isn't hard


I know you have been doing well (for scum wincon) this game so the idea that a whole scum team that you were on would agree to not shoot a claimed doctor because you thought he was softing BP that day isn't actually a bad defense

Also scum!Drixx could have claimed a false role and false result leaving the town in confusion about the NK? Why does he claim one that directly correlates?

Plus he said he used his ninja too.. he could have lied if he wanted.


Pedit drixx are you on Nero already or is it still L-2 I think it's me bins and stunstral unless I missed someone unvotinf

[Zachstralkita]

I think we should have roped him day one

[Zachstralkita]

it's scum or he's game throwing so it's fine

[Zachstralkita]

doc on me please

[Zachstralkita]

FYI, there's not enough mislynches to kill me if Nero flips town. If he flips town he played the scummiest game ever so idrc? Also he self voted with a week plus left? Wasn't even a hammer he joined his wagon. Did you realize the implications of that or not?

Even if you thought your lynch was inevitable that should mean you know even more why not to selfvote because of the situation it puts town in. You spent a lot of time talking about... whatever though, what with your scum group theory pairing thing.


And I've seen hammered scum make good town posts so who knows.


Anyway if you're still gonna go with lynching me as the option if Nero flips town (if game isn't over) then you should just concede loss because I'm town


Otherwise he's the hardest Sr I've had this game, will accept whatever comes with it

[Zachstralkita]

adds another notch

Don't do that either tell me or don't, lol

If he flips town he played the scummiest game ever so idrc?

lol no. Like so I pushed a guy that ended up claiming doc. That's not scummy.

This was the only thing that happened in the game???

[Zachstralkita]

why did you claim JOAT Nero?

[Zachstralkita]

Fuck I was gonna track Drixx or Persi

I was going to ask Drixx why he didn't claim a result for night one

[Zachstralkita]

I thought Nero was scum because his play told me he was fake claiming. He was fake claiming. All he had to do was say it but he claims JOAT and a neighborize attempt...

you realize lying about that complicated everything because it was saying scum had a rb based on my result? They had a strongman...

then the selfvote so yeah. Played like scum. Wish I had focused on my other sRs or we landed Drixx day one

[Zachstralkita]

really good flavor btw immersive game

[Zachstralkita]

Lmao I townread persivul cause we had like the same approach this game


After neros flip I was gonnna track him but wanted to do in the claims.

[Zachstralkita]

I'm a big boy, I can take it.

The town played poorly as a whole

but if you guys

REEEEALLLYYYY

need someone to blame then I'm ok with it but this


.

Why the fuck would we desire a scapegoat?

The fakeclaim and self vote was a throw, confused shit and provided a decent advantage to scum.





Besides you I had good reads and most of the town did otherwise we just took way too much time resolving you and the Tywin lynch

I said I would take responsibility for your lynch and I did but you can't act as if you're taking blame for something general.



I don't know how I feel about 4 scum though

[Zachstralkita]

You saying you went somewhere when you went nowhere and didn't have an action let alone a JOAT role would never be reasonable, it made a few people think there was a RB which led to a decent amount of unnecessary WIFOM at least from me

Because the result contradicted with mine and your play I clearly tunneled you and then you said I was faking Tracker.. wtf?


All the confbias that can be applied to Tywin and I goes like double for you




Town did let scum be lurky fucks though, this game was a ghost town on occasion

[Zachstralkita]

you played just as shitty as me Zach.

In the sense that we had a bad conf biased read yes that much is evident, Tywin and I vs you and vice versa. We also had similar SRs in Drixx/RM.



But I didn't do the rest of the shit you did... so no.

I was really convinced you were scum. Like I had called you out and then you ignored me for eons until Tywin started a wagon on me. Like it was super opportunistic. And your reactions to me were really really fucking stupid. I had fakeclaimed that I would target you or Tywin b/c I really thought you two were scum and I wanted to eat bullets. When you said that you targeted me I had felt like it would be worth it to keep up the gambit and get reactions and eat another action from scum. I may have misinterpreted things but I didn't feel like said fakeclaim was doing a bunch of harm.

I also think you should have venge killed me d2.

And in hindsight we had a guilty on Drixx d3? Like wasn't the whole point of the ninja to bypass the pgo? Like why would town use their ninja on a non pgo?

Towns real failing is not getting Drixx lynched d1.

Yeah I don't know why people think I'm scum if they don't tell me... becomes an issue sometimes


Me reading you soft PR and then observe you act contradictory to that is not fucking stupid at all. You literally kept up a fake claim for no reason and obstructed us. Scum were never going to shoot you in hindsight. I personally thought you were trying to deter people visiting you so I tracked you.

Did you also forget that you went with Drixx onto Desp to get him lynched Day One?

I was going for you then I went Drixx then I went Drixx then I went Sling for like two pages, then I went to you again.

You should at least concede that Desp wagon was really scum driven. I even talked about it the day after cause you provided similar reasons for Tywin..

[Zachstralkita]

We were doing setup spec and you fakeclaiming a weird JOAT role factored into that. You not claiming any abilities the day AFTER we lynched Tywin (because you didn't have any) was scummy for reasons you should be able to see..

I dunno why oldwino didn't claim watcher. That might have actually gotten you lynched or me lynched and you shot day 2, and maybe they'd have lynched in RM/Drixx the day after.

[Zachstralkita]

yeah initially i said your reason was the same reason everyone scumreads me because it really was.. "fluff" "not scumhunt" (I primarily town hunt Day One but not always)


you know I see my posts before I post them? As either alignment? I don't have a formula for playing scum but if I did it wouldn't be "incompetent"


I said I was playing like that Day One to make myself look scummy to help my future venge yesterday. You thought I was scum lol

[Zachstralkita]

My problem is you convinced me you were scum so I like, decided to start not shitposting day 2 which made people not want to lynch me kind of so I couldn't really play for the venge

I was wrong. If we did this day one or two town might have rekt

[Zachstralkita]

Tywin Dunn Bins Persi probably wouldn't have voted me and A50 wouldn't have voted without Dunn/Bins

[Zachstralkita]

Actually why the fuck did A50 even scumrewd me this game.

[Zachstralkita]

end of day one was awful. really ALL of the other townies didn't want to compromise and we went right up to the SECOND deadline. I proposed Sling (Charloux wagon dissipated too) as Not Nero/Not Desp choices




people townread Drixx and ignored Desperado's lack of scum motivation. that plus we couldn't agree on anything

[Zachstralkita]

I townread you off of the claim then I saw you vote with Drixx and I was like fuck that he only claimed flavor. Desp's flip didn't help either


You were like "I'm floretta Lynn guess what role that makes me?" and I was hoping someone else had an answer lmao also I did see you ask for the NK... I called this out.. the fact that you didn't die is what made me suspicious lol

[Zachstralkita]

Desperado ... if I had stayed V/LA and not come in and posted at all, do you think I would still have survived day one, or was it me showing up and taking advantage of you getting called out (along with me) for lurking and you immediately pushing me as being scummy? Obviously I knew you weren't scum but if you don't immediately show up after being called out and see that I was also called out and thus try and push me, I never have any ammo to push you. It was that and coming back the next day that allowed me to maneuver out of day one. Like just re-read the reactions people had when you came around the next day and tried to push me a 2nd time. That's where I got out of the rope.

I saw in the dead thread that you're a little burned out. I know that feeling. I

at the time i didn't regret getting lynched because it was pretty obvious that scum spent a lot of energy getting me dead and i thought that would give nero and zach and dunn some clarity. obviously that didn't happen but blaming it on nero is misguided imo

He claimed a result and role he didn't have either to spite me or because I was really, really scum to him. He confirmed a day pr which wasn't the issue. He said he had a JOaT and 4 weird 1shots, one of which was a JK



He said be attempted to neighborize A50 Except I tracked him to nowhere so day 2 was spent pushing Nero/considering a roleblocker that wasn't there and suspecting A50/Tywin. Scum literally had to do nothing



And this didn't get explained at all until post game. I thought he was scum for lying about his role and he did for no real reason

Neros not getting blame for any of the "general" reasons town loss. If he suspected 4 scum then he knew his lynch would end the game. Still the selfvote is sort of understandable but his fake claim was like a decent bolster for scum IMO


It can't really be denied that if we flipped Nero Day 1 we'd have been way better cause most of the central townies had good reads. But one or more of them scumread Nero and because of the way Nero was playing some people thought "well he has to be right on tywin" it ended up being a mislynch which didn't make him look any betterbut I thought we had enough MLs to sort Nero too

I spent too much time confbiased on him clearly and he did too focusing on Tywin and I. The fact that we MADE the game that also contributed to scum winning. We only focused on certain things and a lot of them were unnecessary. Sling and RM just chilled the whole game cause we didn't look at them as focally

[Zachstralkita]

Oh I fucked up the quote. Only the last part is supposed to be there

[Zachstralkita]

it only functioned as a guilty cause he lied was the only issue i had

i think nero fakeclaimed for NK cause he had tywin and I as hard scum. he didnt know scum wouldnt kill him cause of his prime mislynch potential

[Zachstralkita]

can you guys not grr at each other there's really no need

[Zachstralkita]

can you guys not grr at each other there's really no need

Well, I am keeping my comments to the game, so *shrug*

he made a setup based on people playing a certain way because he's accustomed to people playing a certain way