Gold Miner $laughter - GAME OVER - mini 1912

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Busy rn, but will be around later.

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Ok I'm sheeping The King when he gets back and I advise y'all to do cos he's got a Royal Mandate

I'm more of a princess this game, but I guess that's still royalty.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Interested how the ascetic/pgo angle is going to work out.

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But claiming unprompted is SOP on mafiascum lately...

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@Bins what is your flavor?

You're asking this because...?

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A50 seems unusually agitated so early.

And yet you went on to rvs vote

That's a pretty good point.

Unfortunately, the only time I've seen you making pretty good points, you were scum.

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Well miners... why aren't we focused on the fact that there's someone tryna "pick" us off ha, aha,'.

Consarnit, are we a-gonna commence to talkin' like miners now?

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SOP?

standard operating procedure

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There was more to it than that, as you noted yourself: "hey man maybe it's not a good idea to claim names idk"

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I get why a miller should claim, but not as convinced on the others. The info benefits scum as well as town.

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If a PGO worked to obvtown himself, then he'd be likely to be targeted for NK, and unlikely to be investigated.

p-edit: I took her comment to be saying that yeah, PGOs and ascetics are OK claiming.

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Ascetic does not help scum! They tell the TPRs not to waste their night action on the slot though.

Scum know that a claimed ascetic is a sure kill, since it can't be protected.

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Yes, the doc factor is something I didn't consider regarding a PGO obvtowning it. Still, there's not always a doc, but there's always scum.

But this is academic and isn't forwarding the game. Are we likely to have both? What's the balance argument against it? If you think it's suspicious, why didn't you wait and watch dunn a while before claiming?

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I'm ascetic

and I'm a PGO so yeah

I read your response as somewhat skeptical.

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Lol I never listen when people claim PGO.

So if you're a cop, you investigate them? Kinda doubt it.

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VOTE: Bins

Sorry Bins, it feels like you've spent this game simultaneously shading and defending me with your vote parked on nero and ignoring a lot of the really dumb things people have said

And I have a feeling this isn't you as town

Except she hasn't shaded you.

I thought her first post was shading you for the claim, but when asked she specifically denied it, and it's backed up by her comment in 54 - "dk what a50 is on" - after he was saying that the two roles generally wouldn't be together in a mini and both town (if that's what she was referring to about almost - would help if she actually expressed her thoughts more fully).

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How do you know you're his lover

Probably because Persivul blatantly softed flavor earlier

Don't act oblivious

How does a partial soft from Persivul let Almost50 know he's the lover of Nero?

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Right. All it tells YOU is that he's a princess.

Actually, I don't know what I'm on about because almost50 is talking to Nero. Nevermind all that

OK

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-- mod edit

don't reference ongoing games

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Should be back into it tomorrow.

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Conmanmick hasn't put up enough content to be the leading wagon. I can easily see someone being turned off by this game, as I am too (modding sucks). Need to wait and see what charloux does.

I don't get Almost's prematurely splooging his role, but worse than that is Nero staying on him, followed by a switch which didn't feel natural at all.

VOTE: Nero Cain

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440 seems like a town post from Nero

Do these seem like town posts?

430 - omgus vote on drixx
433 - realizes the drixx vote was crap, changes to tywin
441 - concerned about being lynched even though he's nowhere close to it

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441 is fucking disgusting actually

Does scum Nero attempt to strong arm a50 lynch despite claim? Seems like unwarranted attention

That thought crossed my mind as well. Problem is that he took the vote off of Almost, and has pointed that out a coupla times, but keeps bringing up Almost. It's too fence-sitty, like

I know I can't have my vote on this guy, but I'm really not sure what else to do

.

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His conviction seems genuine though, that's the only part that makes it confusing.

Yeah, I get that. It's not a 100% case, it's a totality of the evidence case.

Nero, how about giving full reads?

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EHHHHHHHHHH

You're mostly just saying you don't like other people's pushes, but not making any yourself.

How would you rate the strength of reasoning on these votes:

VOTE: ConMan

yeee ok

VOTE: drixx

VOTE: conman

always let dunnstral vote first then sheep


if conman doesnt post then just smh

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@Nero: I'd prefer a current reads list rather than a point-by-point defense.

p-edit: I'm concerned that, having read people's thoughts that almost is likely to be NK'd if his claim is true, that you're scum trying to keep pressure on him with intent of letting him live tonight, then push him again tomorrow.

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- DEADLINE WINDOW ANNOUNCEMENT :

deadline will occur at some point between Wednesday 12pm and Friday 7pm eastern US time

Am I the only person who thinks this is bullshit?

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Nvm I was quoting a player list and didnt pay attention.

Desperado is town. He always does this. Lots of nothing.

Zach is probably town.

Oldwin/conn null

Doesn't

always

doing nothing make it really easy to emulate your town game as scum? Not a convincing reason to town read Desperado... like ... at all. There are some reasons to read him as !town though.

ya that was pretty shit from tywin, could've been buddying me I guess.

this is why Desp is town.

Yeah, no scum has ever called out someone for buddying in order to look town. Good catch.

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Yeah, no scum has ever called out someone for buddying in order to look town. Good catch.

So he looks town but.....how do you determine that he's scum trying to look town and you know not just town?

You don't. It was a fairly NAI comment. What's sus is you putting that much weight on it.

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and you. Like your thing that you think my being suspicious of a50 and continuing to be suspicious of him when he says scummy things and you being worried that I'm scum that's laying the foundation to push him tomorrow is lol.

He claimed doc of some sort. That's a common role. Why would scum claim that, knowing that town could very well have one, and a CC would likely result? There's no good reason for that, and Almost likes to think setups. Scum!Almost wouldn't have just missed that.

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I also think your thing about not wanting me to defend myself from certain "points" and just give a reads list is a bit odd. It's like you are judging me based on my reads and I'm not sure why that's important to town.

I generally find it pretty easy to defend as either alignment, so such defenses don't mean much to me. However, if your reads (and more importantly your reasoning) line up sufficiently with my own, I'd feel a lot better about you, as those are harder to fake.

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my daughters names are floretta, candice and i have a baby named maude

FWIW this agrees with my info.

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my daughters names are floretta, candice and i have a baby named maude

FWIW this agrees with my info.

Fo you think I'm fake claiming Flo here?

Wow, panic much? How do you get that I think you're fake claiming? I didn't even mention you.

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I really don't like desperado's push on drixx. At this point in phase I don't want to push something new, but if you made a believable claim that's where I'd like to go. I never like dunnstral, but the only scum game I've played with him he looked different than this.

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Guess I missed it. What are you? Where did you claim?

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I meant a real claim, not flavor.

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Like it's kinda desperate that I say I'd move off you if you made a believable claim, and you pretend like I'm talking about flavor. I mean come on.

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i dont think flavour is enough to townread someone, nero and its not the reason im townreading you

VOTE: desp

That looks like you want a CW to nero, and since I just mentioned desp you're giving it a shot.

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Damn, you say something like this, which makes sense:

You should be very concerned that there hasn't been ANY significant push away from me.

But then you go and say something super scummy:

I rather no lynch than lynch town.

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if we are consolidating then I'd kinda want to do Drixx but I don't really want to lynch anyone in my family and her townread of Drixx makes me kinda think twice.

It's highly unlikely that flavor relationships match straight up to alignments.

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The fact he believes that though is pretty town?

What makes you think he actually believes it?

I'm in his family, but see above - he hasn't removed me from his scum pool.

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Your avatar is appropriate - flailing around in every direction.

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I think the "anytime between Wednesday 12pm and x" rule doesn't mean "Man, I probably won't have time to set it"


I think it means drealmerz can do it whenever he wants? When he blinks? Or am I dumb

Who knows? All I'm sure of is that it means shitty modding.

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Why should I think my lynch is better than a no lynch?

If you're really town, you'd want town to have a flip. Of course you'd prefer it to be someone else, but you wouldn't want a no lynch. If we don't lynch today, what do we do tomorrow when someone else says

hey I'm town, a no lynch is better than my lynch

? No lynch again? If we don't lynch, scum eventually win through NKs. This is like mafia 101.

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If, for example, I was actively posting in other games all day but not here in this one, then that would serve as EVIDENCE, so when you want to level that kind of accusation against someone, you literally actually DO want to look at their post history, because it can literally seal the deal and catch scum.

Guys, that warning mod gave me earlier about discussing ongoing games was merely for an activity based observation like this. I know it's allowed in just about every other game here, but this mod doesn't allow it.

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The site rule about talking about ongoing games is very clear. It's acceptable to say "X player has been actively posting on site, except for this game" because that makes absolutely no substantive commentary about any other game.

Yes, I said that it's allowed in just about every other game. It's not allowed in this game. I have a PM from mod saying so. Why do you think I've been salty about the modding? Getting called out for something that's generally allowed pissed me off.

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But he pushes Drixx the whole fucking game? Doesn't act charismatic in the least, which scum need. It's survivalism and there's things you don't do?

Drixx has been exceedingly scummy, surface level reads and.... rhhh whatever

Desp barely participated, then came in and put a scum read on another person who had barely participated, and pushed it the whole fucking game...and you find that townie?

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More than one person has said that Maude's mentioned in their role pm, and mod said that he doesn't provide fake claims, so I don't see the problem. I'm thinking of doing a Breaking Bad game and I'm going to use Holly (the baby).

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VC 1.15

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• 
  Nero Cain ............ - 4 -

  Bins

  ,

  SlingshotWaffles

  ,

  Tywin Lannister

  ,

  Almost50

  , Tywin Lannister,

  Drixx

  , Persivul,

  oldwino

  ,

  Zachstralkita

  , Drixx, Zachstralkita,
  
  Desperado ........... - 3 - randomidget,

  Drixx

  ,

  Nero Cain

  ,

  SlingshotWaffles

  , Bins, Charloux,

  Almost50

  ,

  Drixx

  ,
  
  Drixx ................... - 2 -

  ConManMick

  ,

  Zachstralkita

  , Desperado,

  Dunnstral

  ,

  Bins

  ,

  Nero Cain

  ,

  Zachstralkita

  ,

  Zachstralkita

  , Nero Cain,
  
  SlingshotWaffles ... - 1 -

  Drixx

  ,

  Dunnstral

  ,

  Dunnstral

  ,

  Zachstralkita

  , Dunnstral,
  
  Tywin Lannister .... - 0 -

  Nero Cain

  ,

  SlingshotWaffles

  ,
  
  Charloux ............. - 0 -

  Almost50

  ,

  Bins

  ,

  Dunnstral

  ,

  Dunnstral

  ,

  Bins

  ,

  Almost50

  ,

  Dunnstral

  ,
  
  oldwino ................ - 0 -

  Dunnstral

  ,
  
  Dunnstral ............. - 0 -

  Desperado

  ,

  Persivul

  ,

  oldwino

  ,
  
  Almost50 ............. - 0 -

  Nero Cain

  ,

  Dunnstral

  ,

  ConManMick

  ,

  randomidget

  ,

  SlingshotWaffles

  ,
  
  Zachstralkita ........ - 0 -

  Tywin Lannister

  ,

  Nero Cain

  ,
  
  Bins ..................... - 0 -

  Dunnstral

  ,
  
  randomidget ......... - 0 -

  SlingshotWaffles

  ,
  
  not voting ............. - 2 -

  SlingshotWaffles

  ,

  Tywin Lannister

  ,

  Charloux

  ,

  Almost50

  , oldwino, Almost50,
  
  

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with 13 alive it takes 7 to

LYNCH

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Nero Cain

is closest to

LYNCH

at

L-3

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DEADLINE ANNOUNCEMENT

:

deadline will occur at some point before

Friday 7pm eastern US time

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- if your vote is not on the player you want to be voting, let me know

- modnote: I paused watching Moonraker to make this VC.

I have tywin and zach as town, so still liking a nero lynch.

On the desp wagon I only have charloux for town, others being null.

Drixx has two scum reads, which likely means they're not both scum.

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It doesn't matter, as I've been told they didn't need my healing, but I doc'd Drixx,

the way he worded this makes me think he really is a doctor, fwiw, but i'm ofc not sold on alignment

So...you think he might be a scum doctor? I find that hard to believe.

The other neighborhood is me and Nero. Nero is also still going on about Almost. Maybe one or both of these two are afraid there's a watcher parked on Almost so they're still hoping for a lynch.

I'm a neighbor and have no additional power. Charloux was a neighbor and had no additional power. Nero is a neighbor but claims he has an additional power.

VOTE: Bins

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Why are you voting me?

You're fence sitting on A50, and in general haven't done much at all. Your ISO includes a LOT of filler. More specifically:

You say you tend to believe A50 is a doc, but you're not sure of his alignment.
- Scum docs are rare in general
- Scum docs are usually used when there's a town vig, but we have no evidence of a vig, and only had one kill last night
- A scum doc could possibly be used as a mitigator to a town PGO (not sure how the mechanics work on that, but a mod could set it up that way), which you've claimed. But if that's what you think, you'd logically be pushing the hell out of him instead of just shading him.
- Further, if it's the latter and a scum doctor could protect another scum making a kill on a PGO, you should be dead

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Neighbors don't know each others' alignment, so Nero can be your neighbor and still be scum even if you are town, right?

Correct, and in fact, with Bin's response:
UNVOTE: Bins
VOTE: Nero Cain

Sounds like Charloux and Drixx were masons, could talk to each other, and masons are usually town, right?

I see nothing to that effect in Charloux's role description.

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^ That's

L-2

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No, there's nothing there guaranteeing that each other are town, so it's a neighborhood, not a masonry.

Nero and I are also sisters who share a room at night, but there's nothing in my role PM guaranteeing he's town. I read it a couple times at first to make sure. Also note that these both look the same, and two masonries would be 4 conftown and really unbalanced.

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I don't want to play the "one of the neighbours are likely scum game" but, ugh.

I've avoided that wrt Nero because I think 2-person neighborhoods are generally NAI.

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Got it, thanks. I misread or misunderstood the wiki when I was trying to differentiate the two roles. So neither you nor Nero, nor Drixx nor Charloux, know or knew each other's alignment.

^therefore, all neighbors, no masons.

Yes, unless mod did something really weird.

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please claim who you doc'd

It doesn't matter, as I've been told they didn't need my healing, but I doc'd Drixx, and I have a sinking feeling he is Beverly Hills dwiw.

Why drixx? He had a lot of pressure yesterday. If he's town, why would you think scum would NK him, instead of considering him a possible mislynch for today or later?

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ugh. I think drixx is right. I think that Nero is doing a lot of scummy stuff, but I don't really see him doing it bc he is scum. need to re-evaluate.

If Nero is town, this is WKing scum.

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Spoiler:

Covfefe

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If you think I'm scum then you should have an idea who you think my buddies are. This whole "I need the first scum flip to hunt other scum" is trash.

I haven't played a newbie in awhile but as I recall it was common to note in them that preflip associatives are pretty much worthless. Has Mafia 101 changed recently?

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Okay, so right now why are people voting Nero?

Can someone (who is on the wagon) explain the vote please?

RTFT

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UNVOTE:
I'm out of town right now but I'll catch up later

You've been reminding me all game of a game which I replaced into when I was new, you were scum, and scum won.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=61456
ISOs read the same - high post count, but short posts that don't really do anything. This is the kind of scum that just slides by until it's too late. It's probably too late for today but this needs to be looked at.

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So why haven't you been voting her 'all game'?

I've had, and still have, stronger scum reads. Hard null reads are tough cases.

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Hard null reads are tough cases.

oh you did say hard null but I'm not getting hard null if you are accusing her of playing like scum.

Flail less, slow down and think more. I'm saying that she's posting a lot but not doing much. That in itself is null. I'm suspicious due to meta, which I've linked to and you can check for yourself. It's interesting that you don't comment on that argument per se. You don't really care about whether Bins is scum. You just see someone who's voting you posting, and immediately try to invent a reason to scum read it.

Since I've made the meta charge, Bins has said that she also plays that way as town, so my observation is NAI. Since I'm actually trying to figure out her alignment, I'll check a couple town games of hers when I get a chance and see if that's true.

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also lol @ him using a 2 year old game to throw shade onto Bins. That's like super reachy.

You're projecting.

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also lol @ him using a 2 year old game to throw shade onto Bins. That's like super reachy.

You're projecting.

I don't think you know what that means. Projecting is calling someone scum while being guilty of the same thing and I'm not doing that? Why no reply to 1101?

The projecting refers to being reachy, as it's what your doing.

Do you frequently find it that the scum team all vote together early in the game? In my experience that would be very unusual.

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I'd rather lynch Ty. You, I lean scum but am not as sure. Ty is so single-minded, I can't think he's town.

Ty is trying to intimidate others into voting for Nero. And he's wrong about me and so he's probably wrong about others (knowing who is town and calling them scum).

Since when do scum put the spotlight on themselves by single-mindedly pushing a single target? That makes no sense in early game.

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@A50 - I am convinced you are towndoc and I think you have a protector (a still undisclosed bodyguard, I think).

Where do you get a bodyguard? I haven't seen any evidence of it.

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@A50 - I am convinced you are towndoc and I think you have a protector (a still undisclosed bodyguard, I think).

Where do you get a bodyguard? I haven't seen any evidence of it.

I perceived a soft claim on D1 and a follow-up comment on D2. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think a bodyguard is fairly common and the soft claims reinforced that. If I think so, then scum probably does too (they had time to talk about it during N1) so are avoiding the doc. Another reason they'd target someone unexpected during the night (Charloux was pretty unexpected).

Makes no sense. If the doc has a bodyguard and doc is targeted, bodyguard dies, then the doc is unprotected next night.

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i have a long train ride later ill catch up then

Looking forward to your catch-up and opinions/analysis. You are conftown for me so I trust your thoughts, etc. to be genuine.

Why is she conftown to you?

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But that protects the doc at least on N1.

Point is that the N1 kill didn't flip bodyguard.

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Tywin is a strong town read for me. The argument against him seems to be that he's been tightly focused on Nero. While that might not be optimum town play, it's generally not something that scum does.

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I agree that tunnelling is normally town, but I know that when I'm scum I tend to be a lot more confident and push one person blindly. It's an easy out in regards to looking like you're doing something and normally gets me townread. I don't know if this is something you can just look past.

That's just wifom. It almost always applies, so yes, I tend to just look past it.

For this reason, do you have Zach as town too?

Not as strong as tywin (I'm also TRing tywin based on tone, don't have that so much for zach), but yeah, he'd be pretty far down my lynch list.

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UNVOTE: Nero Cain

The claim seems much more likely to be town than scum. He could have saved us a largely wasted day by claiming yesterday.

The alleged slip doesn't bother me. He had been saying 3 scum + SK before. Even with just one NK he could still be in that frame of mind.

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What do you think about the night result situation

I skimmed through ten pages this morning, need to go back and study all the claims.

Also Nero claimed he neithborized A50 does your pt look like it supports tho?

He's also claimed a motivate, make loved(voting) and jk shot

Last night he said that his powers are more important than a VT. I was skeptical because I have no roles beside neighbor, but he's proven one of them now so apparently he does.

He talked about A50 more than once but made no mention of neighborizing him or targeting him in any way.

FWIW he said that he thought his entire family (in flavor) should be conftown. But when I asked him if he ever saw the movie, he hadn't, so how would he even know his family were all good guys? That bothered me, but with his claim now (and partial mod confirmation) I don't think he's scum. I just wish he had claimed yesterday.

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So why hasn't tywin posted in 4 days 17 hours?

Mod won't allow activity-based comments but you can look it up for yourself...

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Lover can be town or anti-town, right? Why love Waffles when Waffles isn't even close to being in danger? Maybe JUST to get confirmation of part of his (Nero's) role, making us think he's town, without exposing any other part of his role? Nero can still be scum and loved Waffles for town cred. Loving Waffles really doesn't do town any good for now, does it? It only serves to make Nero look more town. Wouldn't saving his love for someone he really thinks is town and needs the love make more sense if Nero is town JOAT? His loving Waffles makes me lean even scummier toward Nero.

This ability is low utility for town, higher utility for scum (albeit in a high-risk high-reward manner). The fact that he threw it away on waffles in order to (partially) comfirm his role is IMO townie.

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mod, can we have a vc?

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VOTE: oldwino

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VOTE: oldwino

this one is especially bad considering that is d1 argument that I should have felt my town lynch was better than a no lynch. But he feels a no lynch is better than someones alignment that he doesn't know? What the hell?

Did you quote the wrong post? Because that makes no sense otherwise.

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I mean d1 you argued that I should think my lynch is better than a no lynch. So by that same logic isn't a Tywin lynch better than a no lynch?

That was after you said you'd prefer a no lynch to your own lynch. Has Tywin said that?

Or are you saying that Tywin is the only possible lynch today? If so, why?

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Your oldwinno vote is basically a no lynch vote.

Why? Other people can't vote oldwino?

Tywin is only at L-3. It's not like people are refusing to hammer an L-1 wagon. And note I said

people

. At the last VC there were 7 people not voting Tywin. Do we all want a no lynch?

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Fine, I will compromise on this for today.

Well, I guess I'm okay with this.

How often do you see stuff like this lead to a scum flip?

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it sounds like they died? what? did oldwino watch me

like i protected zach, said nothing happened to him
i got home and someone is peering into my window
and i smack em up

Then why was wino the only death?

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Yes, that's what's bothering me.

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I targeted A50 and Oldwino last night. I think that basically clears A50, unless someone else has any way to screw with targeting?

Why did you choose oldwino?

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Zach, straight out, are you or aren't you vengeful?

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FYI I'm not voting because I'm going to be away this weekend.

Off-topic:

I'm going to run a Breaking Bad mini theme role madness game whenever it comes up in queue. PM me if you want to pre-in.

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Off-topic: I'm going to run a Breaking Bad mini theme role madness game whenever it comes up in queue. PM me if you want to pre-in.

Ironically nobody here can pm you because you turned it into part of an ongoing game

Really? I don't run games much, didn't know that rule. Change that to:

If you want to pre-in and remember about it, PM me after this game concludes.

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I dind't want an unattended vote hanging all weekend, but as phase might wrap before then:

VOTE: Nero Cain

He has to die or game won't go anywhere, and that theory of groups was just ridiculous.

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On my phone so keeping this brief but fwiw

9:4 without a full copis ridiculously scum sided. I get that mod probably looked at it as an extra scum to offset the pgos but you shouldn't assume you know how things Will play out.

That said the pgos claiming made it even easier. I think dunn is right that pgos should claim ascetic...he should have stuck to that. If anyone here knitted how to update thewiki that would be good info.

Nero made it easier yet. Don't make the game about yourself. You posted way too much. Sometimes as town you need to back off even if it means your own lynch.

The ranges of possible deadlines didn't help town either. After the first one passed some people kind of gave up.

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Well, I am keeping my comments to the game, so *shrug*

noooo, this is why I call you deluded - you simply lie to yourself so you can believe/think what you want and not see the truth about a situation

you made a erroneous judgement on ME / my person (by saying I'm "making excuses"), rather than trying to understand why I did what I did

why are you even posting here? to bother me, I'm sure[/quote]
Don't be a douchebag. She's right about the setup. If I were town I would have blasted you for wasting my time with that setup.

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did you read anything I said?

Yes, you largely blamed town for not playing well enough, when in reality it was a bad setup.

it's not about 'titus being right about the setup', I frikken said it was scumsided before she even stuck her nose in here - my issue is with her not having any interest in trying to understand why I did it this way and pulling BSout of her butt (as she always does) about me "making excuses"

It wasn't BS, as noted you pretty much blamed town for not playing as you expected them to play.

and how is it a waste of time if it is fun, interesting - unless it is all about winning for you, I guess

All about winning? No. Expecting a reasonable chance of success? Yes. This game takes a lot of time, especially for town, and it sucks to find you didn't really have a chance.

- you sure like to whine, persivul, like, you can't even recognize that the indeterminite deadline actually benefited the game, you just want to whine about it because ??? you're not used to it I guess?

Because it's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever seen.

and again, town definitely had a chance to win, if they played well

There you go blaming town again.

Day 1: 7 to lynch, 9 town. With no bussing, that's 78% agreement. That's very difficult to achieve. This was Titus's main point and it's correct.

Day 2: 6 to lynch, 7 town. That's almost impossible.

Day 3: 5 to lynch, 5 town. WTF?

As desp said, all scum needed to do was not bus in order to win.

You thought our N1 kill was misdirection. No, it was just that it was likely to go through, and that's all we needed.

[Persivul]

dude, seriously, read, I had no expectations for how town would play, I'm saying how they needed to play (better) in order to win

I think you expected the PGOs not to claim. I think you expected at least one PGO to draw a NK.

and that is how the game goes, the team that plays better, wins - imagine!

Again, D1: 7/9. D2: 6/7. D3: 5/5. Those aren't realistic.

[Persivul]

Drixx didn't do any better on D1, but you took the lynch that either of you could have taken.

Technically either could have taken it, but Drixx required 7 of 9 people to agree, while for Desp it was 7 out of 12. That's a big difference.