Mini 1916: Buttersnap Shitfuckery (Game over, Town win!)

[Transcend]

Tru

[Socrates]

Does anyone other than Prism want to extend this day out further?

Maybe Transcend still wants some catching up? Is this still some confusion over your replacement as far as you know?

[Socrates]

Is there*

[Shadoweh]

Does anyone other than Prism want to extend this day out further?

Maybe Transcend still wants some catching up? Is this still some confusion over your replacement as far as you know?

No, it's pretty obvious at this point Chim isn't giving up because he's frustrated town, but because he doesn't want to say anything incriminating. Oddly for a day in which not much has happened, it's been quite illuminating.

[Aristophanes]

I'd actually be pretty okay with a Jester kill today. I haven't seen a game ending Jester in use, like, ever because Fuck You if you put that in your game, Bel!

Sharing a win with a 3rd party is nice and I don't see why we would deny them this!

VOTE: Rauth

And Shadoweh, I don't think he would become VT, because that's not losing powers, that's changing alignment. At best he'd become a Survivor (basically a vanilla 3P) and that can arguably be worse for our wincon, as a any mislynch would essentially give Scum the majority then, assuming 3 scum members.
It's far better to lynch him if this is the case.

[Socrates]

It's less about allowing Rauth his cake and more about letting Chim live. Do you want Chim to live at this point, Ari?

[Belisarius]

Official Vote Count 2.08

Chimchar: (2)

Almost50, Socrates

(L-2)

Rautherdir: (3)

Rautherdir, Transcend, Aristophanes

Aristophanes: (1)

Jesus Christ

Not Voting:

Prism, Chimchar, Leonshade, Shadoweh

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2017-06-28 15:30:00)

Mod Notes:

Prism is V/LA until June 20
Rautherdir is also V/LA until June 20

[Aristophanes]

It's less about allowing Rauth his cake and more about letting Chim live. Do you want Chim to live at this point, Ari?

Not particularly, but I do think he sounds genuine is his fuck up. I mean, there's no way he should make it to endgame, but that doesn't mean we have to deal with him this second, does it?

[Socrates]

Kinda. Remember that we're already down 4 players even though it's day 2. Then we have Jesus to contend with if we let Chimchar live.

[Socrates]

If the game lasts three more days, I fully expect Jesus to ressurect, Fwiw.

Also, Beli told me that we couldn't lynch Jesus in this game. #WebOfLies

[Leonshade]

VOTE: Chimchar

There is no world in which we take Chimchar to LYLO with us, unless there's a cop clear on him.

We lynch Chimchar, he flips scum = yay we lynched scum-
We lynch Chimchar, he flips town = Well at least the Jesus vote is gone, so we can actually play out LYLO.
We don't lynch, but we mislynch, Chim is town = tomorrow is probably LYLO, and scum can quicklynch the second Jesus votes town.
We don't lynch, but we mislynch, Chim is scum = tomorrow is probably LYLO, and scum can quicklynch the second Jesus votes town.

The only scenario in which we lynch Rauth, and tomorrow isn't LYLO, is if the jester counts as one of the anti-town roles. Or there's no mafia in this game, and it's just a bunch of 3Ps instead. I'm not willing to take a risk on either scenario being the case, and we might actually test the latter one, depending on Chimchar's flip. If we were going to lynch Rauth, it should've happened D1. Now it's far too late.

[Aristophanes]

Kinda. Remember that we're already down 4 players even though it's day 2. Then we have Jesus to contend with if we let Chimchar live.

Yeah, but if Aids does what we think and we let Rauth live then we're so fucked tomorrow. If we lynch Chim today and he is town, then there's an NK, we come back tomorrow to 7 players, 3:3:1 - with the 1 being a Survivor. If this is the case, autoloss.

If we get rid of Rauth today, since he's obviously not contributing to town's wincon, we come back tomorrow to 4:3. Yes, we're in Lylo with a Jesus vote, but if we all promise to powerlynch Chim tomorrow then as soon as a vote is placed anywhere but on him, we have confscum. Yes, we have to worry about a blitz, but at least we're not autoloss! We cannot lynch Chim today and hope to win, but we may have a chance with a Rauth lynch.

[Aristophanes]

If the game lasts three more days, I fully expect Jesus to ressurect, Fwiw.

Also, Beli told me that we couldn't lynch Jesus in this game. #WebOfLies

Jesus Christ, but what about the alternate Jesus role?
Like, there's loopholes everywhere

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Chimchar

There is no world in which we take Chimchar to LYLO with us, unless there's a cop clear on him.

We lynch Chimchar, he flips scum = yay we lynched scum-
We lynch Chimchar, he flips town = Well at least the Jesus vote is gone, so we can actually play out LYLO.
We don't lynch, but we mislynch, Chim is town = tomorrow is probably LYLO, and scum can quicklynch the second Jesus votes town.
We don't lynch, but we mislynch, Chim is scum = tomorrow is probably LYLO, and scum can quicklynch the second Jesus votes town.

The only scenario in which we lynch Rauth, and tomorrow isn't LYLO, is if the jester counts as one of the anti-town roles. Or there's no mafia in this game, and it's just a bunch of 3Ps instead. I'm not willing to take a risk on either scenario being the case, and we might actually test the latter one, depending on Chimchar's flip. If we were going to lynch Rauth, it should've happened D1. Now it's far too late.

Leon, take a look at my post though. Like, I see your logic, but it's flawed here.

[Socrates]

You're forgetting that the AIDS isn't going to stop with Rauth. We basically have to hope that it's a poison or something innocuous or we've already lost.

[Socrates]

Post I was referring to:

MOD: is it possible to lynch Jesus?

No. I did my game where it was possible to lynch Jesus two years ago

[Leonshade]

It's less about allowing Rauth his cake and more about letting Chim live. Do you want Chim to live at this point, Ari?

Not particularly, but I do think he sounds genuine is his fuck up. I mean, there's no way he should make it to endgame, but that doesn't mean we have to deal with him this second, does it?

He really doesn't, he's playing exactly how caught scum would. Make a (bad) excuse, apologize and accept lynch, mostly lurk in hopes that town buy into your WIFOM.

Kinda. Remember that we're already down 4 players even though it's day 2. Then we have Jesus to contend with if we let Chimchar live.

Yeah, but if Aids does what we think and we let Rauth live then we're so fucked tomorrow. If we lynch Chim today and he is town, then there's an NK, we come back tomorrow to 7 players, 3:3:1 - with the 1 being a Survivor. If this is the case, autoloss.

If we get rid of Rauth today, since he's obviously not contributing to town's wincon, we come back tomorrow to 4:3. Yes, we're in Lylo with a Jesus vote, but if we all promise to powerlynch Chim tomorrow then as soon as a vote is placed anywhere but on him, we have confscum. Yes, we have to worry about a blitz, but at least we're not autoloss! We cannot lynch Chim today and hope to win, but we may have a chance with a Rauth lynch.

Who's the Survivor?

I really don't see Chim flipping town, and I'm also not certain that Rauth doesn't count as one of the anti-town players for the sake of balance (if this game even has any balance). Lynching Rauth so we can hope to blitz Chimchar before the scum can blitz us seems suicidal. I'd rather lynch the caught scum now, than hope to lynch him tomorrow.

And even if you're right, if Chimchar is town, we lose in both scenarios. Why not lynch him today, then, and have a better chance of winning if he's scum?

[Aristophanes]

Post I was referring to:

MOD: is it possible to lynch Jesus?

No. I did my game where it was possible to lynch Jesus two years ago

Right, but the implied context is the Jesus Christ vote.

[Aristophanes]

It's less about allowing Rauth his cake and more about letting Chim live. Do you want Chim to live at this point, Ari?

Not particularly, but I do think he sounds genuine is his fuck up. I mean, there's no way he should make it to endgame, but that doesn't mean we have to deal with him this second, does it?

He really doesn't, he's playing exactly how caught scum would. Make a (bad) excuse, apologize and accept lynch, mostly lurk in hopes that town buy into your WIFOM.

Kinda. Remember that we're already down 4 players even though it's day 2. Then we have Jesus to contend with if we let Chimchar live.

Yeah, but if Aids does what we think and we let Rauth live then we're so fucked tomorrow. If we lynch Chim today and he is town, then there's an NK, we come back tomorrow to 7 players, 3:3:1 - with the 1 being a Survivor. If this is the case, autoloss.

If we get rid of Rauth today, since he's obviously not contributing to town's wincon, we come back tomorrow to 4:3. Yes, we're in Lylo with a Jesus vote, but if we all promise to powerlynch Chim tomorrow then as soon as a vote is placed anywhere but on him, we have confscum. Yes, we have to worry about a blitz, but at least we're not autoloss! We cannot lynch Chim today and hope to win, but we may have a chance with a Rauth lynch.

Who's the Survivor?

I really don't see Chim flipping town, and I'm also not certain that Rauth doesn't count as one of the anti-town players for the sake of balance (if this game even has any balance). Lynching Rauth so we can hope to blitz Chimchar before the scum can blitz us seems suicidal. I'd rather lynch the caught scum now, than hope to lynch him tomorrow.

And even if you're right, if Chimchar is town, we lose in both scenarios. Why not lynch him today, then, and have a better chance of winning if he's scum?

Re:Who is the survivor

"The Gift of Gay - Each night, you may choose one living person to infect with HIV. They will be notified if they are infected. After three nights, the HIV will become full-blown AIDS and make them so sick they can’t use any of their powers anymore (vanillaizes them)."

I'm just saying, AIDS isn't necessarily a kill. Maybe you'll become town, Rauth!

I don't think that Rauth would become town, and I would not be surprised if the Aids was sped up this game. What is a Vanilla 3P? A Survivor.

As for a lynch on Chim vs Rauth, yes, if he is scum we come out better. If we lynch Scum Chim we actually some into a decent spot, with 4v2v1 and no Jesus to screw us up. But I'm not putting stock in ChimScum, and I think giving Scum Jesus Christ's vote would be overpowered. It just doesn't make sense.

[Leonshade]

I don't think that Rauth would become town, and I would not be surprised if the Aids was sped up this game. What is a Vanilla 3P? A Survivor.

As for a lynch on Chim vs Rauth, yes, if he is scum we come out better. If we lynch Scum Chim we actually some into a decent spot, with 4v2v1 and no Jesus to screw us up. But I'm not putting stock in ChimScum, and I think giving Scum Jesus Christ's vote would be overpowered. It just doesn't make sense.

Ahh. But there's no guarantee that AIDS in this game works like it did in Gay Mafia. It could be the poison Piggygal could protect against, it could be a cult, could be anything.

Like at this point I think Chimchar is caught scum, who simply wanted to buy an extra day so he could get at least one AIDS off. The only reason I hesitated at all was because I thought Rauth was softing a cop with an inno on Chimchar, but outside that possibility, I don't see Chimchar flipping town.

I don't buy his excuse at all. My role PM is written clearly, with no room for interpretation. I don't see the same person who wrote that role PM writing a role PM that would easily be misinterpreted to the extent that Chimchar claims his was.

And it's possible that Chimchar simply made up the part about the Jesus vote being his. Though I guess that's unlikely, since he'd get CC'd if someone really was Jesus.

(this is from gay mafia which is also where jesus h christ was from amen)

Huh?! I thought Jesus was from the Bible!

[Leonshade]

If the game lasts three more days, I fully expect Jesus to ressurect, Fwiw.

Also, Beli told me that we couldn't lynch Jesus in this game. #WebOfLies

Getting resurrection to work on mafiascum would be difficult. Games take so long that asking someone to be available and follow a game, just for the hopes that they might get resurrected, is a lot to ask. And if they leave, you have to find a replacement for a dead player. I've fantasized about setups with resurrection in them, but it's an unreliable mechanic for a forum game.

[Rautherdir]

Well. I found a way to access the internet early. So I take it we're lynching Chimchar then?

[Socrates]

If the game lasts three more days, I fully expect Jesus to ressurect, Fwiw.

Also, Beli told me that we couldn't lynch Jesus in this game. #WebOfLies

Getting resurrection to work on mafiascum would be difficult. Games take so long that asking someone to be available and follow a game, just for the hopes that they might get resurrected, is a lot to ask. And if they leave, you have to find a replacement for a dead player. I've fantasized about setups with resurrection in them, but it's an unreliable mechanic for a forum game.

I meant Jesus Christ, not Jesus of Nazareth. A more elegant design would be for Jesus of Nazareth to resurrect AS Jesus Christ, but eh. I wasn't really being serious.

[Socrates]

Well. I found a way to access the internet early. So I take it we're lynching Chimchar then?

Yar. We'll lynch you tomorrow if he flips scum. If he flips town, you can get the mafia to lynch you. Win-win for you.

[Socrates]

Also why haven't you been modkilled? I thought you said you were forbidden from announcing your AIDS status, yet you did anyway.