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[RadiantCowbells]

Have you considered making it a novice 2-Shot vigilante?

So that the game is considerably less likely to end night 2 and you still get the ability to bring it down to odds?

[RadiantCowbells]

Aww fk we didn't normalize novice.

Even-night vigilante serves the same purpose though.

[RadiantCowbells]

So no docs

d1 11
d2 9
d3 6 ??

Like ugh Novice is beautiful for this setup because it forces shot to be held and informed decision to be made.
I'd say the next best option is actually 2-shot vig.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you even-night vig then town either waste their PR and don't prove themselves or risk shooting into loss.
Which is a terrible thing to encourage and it's something I'd strongly like to avoid.

[RadiantCowbells]

What about night 3 vigilante?

[RadiantCowbells]

ok.

Firebringer, what do you think about the vig shots?

I am personally not against them here.
Normally I hate vigilantes but given this setup, it is kind of needed.

I would think one shot is also fine instead of 2 but I think it's better with 2 given 11 players

I don't like the idea of encouraging a shot that will give day 2 endgame. At least if it's day 2 endgame with 2 vig shots that's sort of okay.

So I 'could' go with 2-shot vig but if you'd be willing to drop the roleblocker off the traitor and put it onto a full scum (which is a good idea in general because it's really hard for the scum to play arund the roleblock) I think 2-shot novice vig cleans up a lot of loose ends in this situation

[RadiantCowbells]

I dont' mean ending during the dya, I mean the night.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't mind 2-shot vig, but it would make me strongly want to remove or delay the roleblocker.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes, it would.

[RadiantCowbells]

1. Town Watcher
2. Town 3-Shot Doctor (Protects from one kill attempt)
3. Town 2-Shot Vigilante
4. Town Vanilla
5. Town Vanilla
6. Town Vanilla
7. Town Vanilla
8. Town Vanilla
9. Mafia Encryptor
10. Mafia Goon
11. Mafia Traitor Night 3 Roleblocker

[RadiantCowbells]

The rules currently do not state whether factional actions and other actions can be used simultaneously: you don't have to in this case but it's something to consider.

[RadiantCowbells]

Not quite sure why you're banning the standard spoiler tags but okay.
Traitor role PM still says D2 several times.

Minor things that you can not bother with if you want:

You misspelled eliminated in the 2-Shot Vig role pm.
Mafia lose condition technically doesn't specify that they lose if the traitor and other mafia are all dead but shouldn't be an issue.

I'll

Pass

when the Traitor Doctor's role pm is fixed.

[RadiantCowbells]

Traitor roleblocker, my bad.

[RadiantCowbells]

Pass

But there are two periods after eliminated in the new lose condition

Fair enough.