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I have a good feeling about this.

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VOTE: Lmkguy
Lets get this game started off right

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VOTE: Lmkguy
Lets get this game started off right

That's left VOTE: Eevee

Are you defending him or is that just another RVS?

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VOTE: Mulch
Clearly trying to rush the town and we only just started!

VOTE: massive who the hell gives a reason for a meme vote

Same!
VOTE: Mulch

I like you lol

Holy shit, that's just like your second post and I already found something we both have in common! This game's gonna be good.

I already said i felt this was gonna be a good game .

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VOTE: Lmkguy
Lets get this game started off right

That's left VOTE: Eevee

Are you defending him or is that just another RVS?

Defend him from what?

Your pun made me think you townread him, although you were probably just making a pun. I was hoping for some form of reaction.

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RVS is the worst thing on this site by far

Not necessarily, RVS can be used to get reactions, get motivation, and can be used to synchronize town.

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Yes it is rare for synchronization but its always possible.

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Yes it is rare for synchronization but its always possible.

What steps do you plan on taking in order to get synchronization going as early as possible and how will you prevent it from being disrupted?

Synchronization just takes participation from all players which sometimes does become difficult. It just depends on whose on the pl. Its too early to tell how synchronized town is. But for now we can work on getting that participation, which is the point of RVS.

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Yes it is rare for synchronization but its always possible.

What steps do you plan on taking in order to get synchronization going as early as possible and how will you prevent it from being disrupted?

Synchronization just takes participation from all players which sometimes does become difficult. It just depends on whose on the pl. Its too early to tell how synchronized town is. But for now we can work on getting that participation, which is the point of RVS.

Can you share some examples of an RVS stage that showed signs of a town being insync by middle to late game?

I was just explaining how RVS can be useful.
From reactions town can narrow reads. Its an insync thing thats hard to show. Basically it can get a universal townread. Nothing is ever fullproof.

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RVS is the worst thing on this site by far

I agree with this statement.

Is there any reason that you agree? Other then a little time taken for RVS whats the true harm of it

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This eevee mug better stop trying so hard

What would you rather happen?
You act like trying to help is a hindrance to town. Although i admit i probably got too far offtopic with the reason RVS is decent/good. I call it passion about what i love, if you see it as trying hard, i say trying hard is better then not trying at all.

I try to use all my knowledge to assist in any way i can.

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It's poorly executed and you look extremely nervous

It's very well done, actually. Unless you can name things that are poorly executed, I'm calling bullshit.

You obviously don't know how to read people. I doubt you even use GAMM.

I dislike the way you are stating this. It feels like you are saying only you are allowed to make reads and anyone else who tries is wrong. I honestly don't think self-centeredness is alignment indicative but it is annoying because it makes it feel like you don't want/care about others reads.

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Where did he say your style of reads are worthless. All i see is him saying it was poorly executed. Also bomber has an eye on him for his post at top of this page. He gives a number but doesn't actually link to it.

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Hmm my lingo is rusty what is GAMM again? Also yeah i don't like how he completely tosses away your reads. He should at least explain why its wrong here.

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There's nothing I gain out of interacting with you at this moment if you're going to just defend yourself blindly instead of seeing that perhaps you need to change your mindset/attitude. Note that I haven't voted you because I believe there is a slight chance you are just Noobtown, but I will say that if you continue to play in the way you are I would have no issue voting you

I wouldn't call him noobtown as much as a bit of an egotist. Similar but not entirely the same. Also he did admit that his statement back there wasn't the best.

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I agree with three of those things. Meta however. Meta can change if the player is good enough to see it.

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Logic is what we see as true. If scum is good enough your "logic" will be a well constructed lie.

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Or is a well placed illusion by scum. I have an old saying. Question everything and believe onlg half of what is said.

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Awwww mastina thats so sweet <3

<<< <3 >>>

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Alright Dany boy youre maki good points. I still think mulch is town. I still think bomber seems odd.

....whats the point of this post?

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Why not just say that and exclude the extra stuff thst doesnt help the read

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Hmm i think i want to hear from formerfish about this lynch before i make my next move here.

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Mulch isn't steering the game i don't see it, although i may be wrong. His reactions so far have been more town defending to me.

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Anyway I'm putting my vote back on actual scum VOTE: eevee

So your just gonna forget the entire bomber situation?

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You're purposefully making my words have less value, my question is valid. Why lynch him if you did not scumread him just to get off when the heat turned up for him.

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"This other guy" you're making me think my theory is correct

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"This other guy" you're making me think my theory is correct

What theory

I haven't said my theory because its highly unlikely and circumstantial

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1) how did I want to lynch him
2) when did I scunrrad him
3) Getting off what

1) you voted him
2) you basically pushed him for two pages
3) you switched back to me the second it looked like a bw was gaining speed against him

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1) im used to saying lynch instead of vote especially when i get emotional
2) it implies you had some form on read on him
3) it goes toward my theory which i already said was probably wrong but not impossible

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You mentioned it first, i was just saying how you made my words have less value by adding neutral pronouns like "that guy"

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FormerFish i said you specifically because at the time you were the longest person who hadn't talked. Also i'm staying on Lmkguy until he says something of any use.

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Oh MMM you were thinking the same thing as me. That was my theory from earlier. Bomber + mulch is unlikely but possible because of how mulch reacted when the heat turned up on bomber.

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Also any particular reason you read massive?

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Also any particular reason you read massive?

Not enough content.

So in your earlier post with the yellow names the scumreads were based on activity and they were giving a useless reason to lurk?

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Nevermind, found the reasoning and it's awful.

UNVOTE:

Its awful to want him to contribute to towns efforts?

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How do you know they haven't been here? For all you know they are reading what we are saying right now and blatantly ignoring it

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How do you know they haven't been here? For all you know they are reading what we are saying right now and blatantly ignoring it

They have 3 out of the 242 posts in this thread. They haven't.

And if they're ignoring? Town can be lazy and not give effort. It's not AI.

I've already stated i just want him to contribute so i can get some form of read on him.

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Townreads- former / mmm / lil
Slight scumread on mulch / bomber / possibly lmk depending on what he says when he gets back
Rest neutral for now.

Nothing is locked yet though.

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Your scumread on me is bullshit because I've been nothing but townie all day. My scumread on you is clouding your judgment.

I've explained why i read you. And again i feel its unlikely its both of you but its possible. I do feel at least one of you is probably scum.
UNVOTE: Lmkguy

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Your read is wrong and biased. Change it.

Show me why its bad. Don't blast this trumpet like you're some form of clear or universal townread

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Reads can change that doesn't mean they don't matter

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Wait Mulch why do you even townread gerryoat?
I personally don't see it.

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Uzis questioning seems townie and genuine. At this point i think he's more town then scum but MMM perhaps you can show me where i may be wrong in my reasoning here.

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Why is Gerry scum?

I just don't townread him..i dont really scumread him either but he hasn't done anything really that i find consols a townread

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Yeah i dont have any strong scumreads yet which is why i havent lynched anyone else yet. Although mulch still seems suspicious to me

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Yeah i dont have any strong scumreads yet which is why i havent lynched anyone else yet. Although mulch still seems suspicious to me

Change that

Am i banned from having any form of scumread against you??

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Information in the sense that he has an absurdly high post count, has interacted with a majority of people, and has even written a wall or two about his reads

Granted, this behavior does not make him immediately town, but if my suspicion about what I talked about prior is true, it's more than likely that there are better votes/people to pursue, like ones who are more of an enigma

And who do you think is more of an enigma here?

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I'd say you are an enigma here, whether thats good or bad remains to be seen

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Actually for my sanity, could Eveee, MMM, and tchill talk about their mafia experience?

I forgot to answer this.

I started playing mafia around december 2015.
It's more fast paced then here.

I recently started playing here.

I'm glad to answer any follow up questions

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I Wouldn't player meta someone unless I've played a decent amount of games with them lil uzi. Reading old games doesn't give you the same emotions as being there.

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Actually for my sanity, could Eveee, MMM, and tchill talk about their mafia experience?

I forgot to answer this.

I started playing mafia around december 2015.
It's more fast paced then here.

I recently started playing here.

I'm glad to answer any follow up questions

From EpicMafia?

From PS!(pokemon showdown)

I've been there since late 2015/early 2016

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I like the fast paceness of ps- it gets my heart pounding my emotions aflame. Even if some of the usebase isnt the best it still gets me up in the morning.

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Formerfish perhaps i misunderstood your question. I thought you wanted me to post my townreads which i did. I'm happy to answer your question

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Formerfish perhaps i misunderstood your question. I thought you wanted me to post my townreads which i did. I'm happy to answer your question

Oh i found a question i might have missed.

You were wondering why lmk?
Because at the time he had the least activity with the most useless posts. Sometimes people forget mafia is a team game, towns technically supposed to work together.

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Lmkguy welcome back thanks for your reads but i do believe you skipped a person or two in it. Although this was probably accidental considering how much you have to comment on.

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I think mulch is manic town

VOTE: MMM

When you get back arona would you explain your townread on mulch and your double vote on mmm?
Both were early in the day and you commented on neither.

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MMMs...... temper isn't always Alignment indicative, but this level is probably coming from a town MMM.

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I don't really see why people were on MMM in the first place.

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VOTE: Mulch

I don't know what your problem is here. But whatever it is it isn't in towns best interests. Now either be helpful or be lynched.

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Its not just that all game youve been using peoples words making them weaker then using them against them

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You're not the only one but it feels different with you because it feels like you're doing it on purpose to cause a mislynch

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I've made one. Post. Explaining my thoughts. I haven't even DONE anything besides that.

Yet you have more posts then anyone....

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Lazyness is not gonna be in this game. If I am going to try, everyone is going to try.

It's poorly executed and you look extremely nervous

It's very well done, actually. Unless you can name things that are poorly executed, I'm calling bullshit.

You obviously don't know how to read people. I doubt you even use GAMM.

I dislike the way you are stating this. It feels like you are saying only you are allowed to make reads and anyone else who tries is wrong. I honestly don't think self-centeredness is alignment indicative but it is annoying because it makes it feel like you don't want/care about others reads.

Did you dislike how the other person said my style of reads was worthless and poorly executed? Do you think that shows self centeredness from HIS point of view? I'm curious to why you are trying to attack me and not him.


That aside, that was a bit obnoxious by me, lol.

And when you vote me, the town will look at your arguements with more strutiny and see that you are wrong, so I highly doubt you have the fucking guts to vote me regardless of your allignment.

I dislike all three of these for various reasons.
And all three make me think mulch is scummy.

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1 and 3 are NAI, 2 is +town mulch cause it shows scum hunting. Explain why any of those are scummy.

To me its scum trying to be left alone while they do whatever they want

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So MMM is scum?

Hmmm, do I commit a vote before even reading the rest of the thread? Well you only live once.

Actually I've been shot like 20 times playing mafia maybe that doesn't apply.

Vote: MMM

Why join in on a bw the second you sub in?

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I explained that when In the post I voted gerryoat. I personally don't care if day 1 is long or not. On this site I've been told it's scummy to want to end it quickly because there's less information and a greater chance of a mislynch. Which favors scum.

So it's hearsay that it's scummy and you don't care either way.

What has MMM done that's more scummier than Lil uzi asking to end the day early?

But you are curious what MMM has done that it's scummier

Scum lean:
MMM (I read the iso and the whole thing felt scummy to me, can go into more detail of needed)

But when you read his ISO it's scummy. But you don't feel especially willing to vote for him, even if you don't care one way or another if the day ends. Did I miss anything?

Are you suggesting a mmm + tchill scumteam?

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UNVOTE: Mulch


I think Youre just town that is doing whatever it takes to be heard. Idk if Youre scum but for now i have my eye on you.

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We still have time to talk. There is no need to hammer before the last day of dl.

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ELA, we aren't going to solve the game Day 1. At most I will give this day until Tuesday but I really don't see a reason to contiune at this point.

I never said we would solve the game D1 just rushing the day could hurt town in the longrun.

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Anyway I'm putting my vote back on actual scum VOTE: eevee

So your just gonna forget the entire bomber situation?

dont like this reaction. Just because he switches his vote, doesnt mean he forgot anything. This feels like "but what about ____!!!! dont focus on me!!" Instead of saying that, why not just explain your point about bomber, and ask why they are voting you over them, and to explain the vote on you in detail.

Read the posts before it as well.

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Actually for my sanity, could Eveee, MMM, and tchill talk about their mafia experience?

I forgot to answer this.

I started playing mafia around december 2015.
It's more fast paced then here.

I recently started playing here.

I'm glad to answer any follow up questions

From EpicMafia?

From PS!(pokemon showdown)

I've been there since late 2015/early 2016

omg. do you battle on there? i love pokemon showdown lol, we should battle sometime or something

Sure challenge me anytime

Back to the game - i do have a townread on formerfish it isn't a big one but its there.

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Where's your vote, LMK?

This THIS THIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSS is the worst post of the thread so far, my god. Just cause he catches up doesn't mean he needs to vote anyone. This seems so bad it literally pains me on the inside.

The read list he provided says otherwise.

Having reads doesn't mean you instantly have to put a vote on especially if you have two scumreads

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How do you know they haven't been here? For all you know they are reading what we are saying right now and blatantly ignoring it

They have 3 out of the 242 posts in this thread. They haven't.

And if they're ignoring? Town can be lazy and not give effort. It's not AI.

I've already stated i just want him to contribute so i can get some form of read on him.

There are plenty of people contributing and creating content we can use, why do you care so much about the one guy who hasn't said much yet? Do you have reads set for everyone else and this is your lynch pin? Could finding out his alignment change everything for you?

Why don't you figure out who you think is town, see where they are voting and ask some questions. I noticed you asked for my opinion, then I give it, and you barely acknowledge my post. What was the point of asking my opinion, which your reasoning is suspect as well in that, if you aren't going to take that opinion and do something with it?

His reaction and questioning here seem more town motivated then scum

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Gerry makes good point and tbh i have to agree in this that the best vote here is

VOTE: lil uzi

After looking through the evidence he is scummier then the rest of the pl other then people who haven't talked as much but thats NAI

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Interesting concept here gerry

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Any reason you townread mulch? I find him more null

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Gerry makes good point and tbh i have to agree in this that the best vote here is

VOTE: lil uzi

After looking through the evidence he is scummier then the rest of the pl other then people who haven't talked as much but thats NAI

What's changed from 279?

Alot of rereading, rethinking and 200 posts are you saying reads cant change

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Not really. Is there someone you want me to sort right now?

So if you haven't been actually sorting anyone, what have you been doing? How have you been helping the town?

And why are you asking your scum read who to sort?

What do you mean by sort here

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I'm kind of curious Uzi, since I recognize you from the spam thread. Do you actually believe that there's very little info to be gained from day 1, or are you just trolling? Because it would seem to me that someone who posts so copiously would have some sort of motivation for doing so.

I understand momentum can slow but right now i don't see it slowing if the momentum stops we can make a final decision but until then i wouldn't mind people talking

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You don't resemble Uzi. But since you're answering questions:

Hmm i think i want to hear from formerfish about this lynch before i make my next move here.

What did you want to hear from Formerfish and how did it satisfy you?

Me and former had a bit of a back and forth back then and i explained why i specified him. I can't remember if he specifically answered it but i felt satisfied with his posts after that one.

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Me and former had a bit of a back and forth back then and i explained why i specified him. I can't remember if he specifically answered it but i felt satisfied with his posts after that one.

So specifically you like FormerFish's push to lynch MMM on the previous few pages?

I felt it was a bit more townie of him, not that i agree with it, it just seemed like a town

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I can't get a good read on bomber anymore, his attitude isn't giving me any solid reads.

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I don't even know why I'm scum read currently.

In my best Mulch impersonation, I have used GAMM to discern Tchill is scummier than you

Please vote him or I'll make ten posts about my stupid theory and annoy you

I'd like to just note that Bomber says this while still voting for me.

I like how the sarcasm went over your head.

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I don't even know why I'm scum read currently.

In my best Mulch impersonation, I have used GAMM to discern Tchill is scummier than you

Please vote him or I'll make ten posts about my stupid theory and annoy you

I'd like to just note that Bomber says this while still voting for me.

I like how the sarcasm went over your head.

How the hell was he sarcastic there given 551, 553, and 555?

That specific post looks sarcastic and was meant to poke fun at mulches style of play.

I might have assumed too quickly

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Like, pre flip analysis helps with chaining lynches but is a negative if they are both town.

Simialrly, accusing 2 people early puts unwanted attention on scum if they do it and makes them gain pushback if they are both town, unless they have the ability to fake confidence really easily.

One could also be a bus for high towncred later in the game.

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That's true. If you accuse 2 people, one wolf one not, you can chainlynch if you manage to lynch the scum first, but that's suboptimal early game and definitely not something that should be on the forefront of Tchill's mind

It could be town into scum as well. Hypothetically speaking.

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It is a difficult maneuver but it can eliminate a partner scenario for future purposes. Although it would be bad if a third party swooped in and hurt that plan.

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It is a difficult maneuver but it can eliminate a partner scenario for future purposes.

Although it would be bad if a third party swooped in and hurt that plan.

Explain

Someone who sees through the plan and pushes the idea more then a normal townie would.

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Pre-flip associations are a house of cards and a waste of time.

It's never a waste of time to look down all paths.

Even if the idea is incorrect its better to bring it up, find whats wrong with it, move it to the side. Instead of having it burn the back of your mind.

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I was doing a hypothetical anyway. I never said it was the evidence here.

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Shouldn't we allow the sub to defend themselves even if we plan on lynching them. Although i still oppose that, especially if a sub is found.

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I know we aren't, i was responding to uzi who at this point is just trying to squeeze out of this grip.

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The sub can present a case and do something townie that could shed new light, or they can be scummy and it be a bust. Its better to find out.

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Is it just me or do i keep getting excluded from big wall posts with reads? This is the third time i believe. Idt its scummy but its wierd.

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Right! Well that happened quickly! Apologies for the afk, long story short Thursdays = busy af and today was report writing day (im a teacher).

Onto the good stuff:
I have read through the thread and my initial reactions are:
Mastina: coolest mod. Makes shit so organised and easy!

Seriously though, there has been a fair amount of posting so going to do my best to address what I can. If i miss anything just hmu

Arona: Nuffin to say, hasn't posted in the last 2 days.
Gerry: Pretty useless posting, troll votes on mod, silly statements, but to be fair to him, most of these were start game stuff and he has promised to catch up. Verdict still out
Bomber: I like his early comments but the stuff about his gameplay/style irks me. It seems like an attempt to distance himself and be able to use this as an excuse to back up or withdraw from comments he has/will make. He has done a bit of pushing and resisting to comments made, which I like. I feel like as scum, he could have buddied with Mulch without too much suspicion, rather than "poking the beast" so to say. This doesn't make him town, but i will hold my verdict until he reveals to use his magical play style that he has been training off site for all these years
Danny: His posts are wierd. Idk just from re reading his ISO I can't really get a clear idea from him. He has posted throughout the last two days, but hasnt really contributed to any of the major ideas being thrown out there. Seems to be more focused on himself and trying to keep a low profile, whilst still being active.
Mulch: obviously the big dog in town. He has thrown himself right out there and is doing his best to scum hunt (or at least put on a show of doing so). I'm weary of him as his play style is very similar to the last scum team I versed. Basically go out guns blazing, try get as many people to lock you as town and go from there. For the time being I guess he is my strongest Townlean, not because of what he is saying, but rather the way others are reacting to him.
Fish: Very early buddy attempts with Mulch. The way the game has progressed, I highly doubt both of these guys are scum. IMO either one is scum (therefore other is town) or they are both town. I feel as though Fish is focusing on the content of posts and using this to inform his votes/opinions, which I really like.
Uzi: His early game is an attempt to blend in, his mid posts are all focused on him and then his later posts seem to be focused on moving attention away from himself. I don't really like this progression at all and it feels slightly scummy to me.
Tchill: Seems pretty neutral to me so far, just going with the flow, will have to see what he comes up with before I can make a serious judgement.
MMM: The wagon we have going so far. His early posts seem genuine, but not the biggest fan of his mid/later posts. He seems to be employing a similar strategy to what i mentioned about Mulch, and at the moment it seems like a bit of a dick measuring contest between Mulch and MMM. Do I think he is scum? Maybe, but not my strongest scum read at the momment.
Massive: Okay Mr "low-content poster as both alignments". I don't mind if this is the case, but would like an insight from you here. I do believe post count is NAI, but so far don't have too much from you, so would love to see more.

Right that covers my reads list so far. Will make sure I stay on top of the game from here on out. Like I said, let me know if you have any questions.

This is one of them is it wierd he just skipped over me or am i being paranoid.

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Well that happened. We should all take a HUGE STEP back here and reintroduce ourselves instead of acting like a bunch of 8 year olds running a business

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So many people are being so selfcentered rn.

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Is someone at L-1/L-2?

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I wouldn't mind if my question earlier was answered

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You can all be scum, this is crazy

So you have NO townreads at all?

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GreyICE do you know Whats the votecount on uzi?

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Thank you nancy

<<< Indeed. I owe so much to her. <3
You have my sincerest apologies I wasn't able to give you that same devotion. >>>

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what the fuck happened while I was away?

Alot

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Why thanks Tchill, I sure am glad I'm clearing things up for you.

@Tchill if you want to sheep me, I'll be doing some analysis tmrw and you can just follow me

Well atm it seems you are voting for.....no one? I guess he's already sheeping you then.

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I'm here, I've read through about page 23-ish, some of that skimming. I'm about to head to work, won't be back until tonight. I do see there are quite a few votes on my slot. Please don't lynch me while I'm away.

Having read through a good chunk of the game so far, I notice theres a lot of toxic behavior. I think it's best that everyone takes a step back, refresh themselves, get perspective, do what you need to do.

I look forward to jumping in tonight. I'm going to be the goddamned ray of sunshine this game needs.

I dislike sunshine but feel free to be helpful.
A bit of humour to break the tension never hurts.

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Mulch, you voted me based off my read list, know that I have not fully caught up yet? Not a very towny move. I promise to ISO you a bit when I have properly caught up though to get a better look at you one way or the other. However, you understand that I can't just take your word on this being your best towny game. It just seems to me that you're doing a lot of awfully anti-town things for this being your best towny game.

This entire game is basically people being scummy

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Mulch, you voted me based off my read list, know that I have not fully caught up yet? Not a very towny move. I promise to ISO you a bit when I have properly caught up though to get a better look at you one way or the other. However, you understand that I can't just take your word on this being your best towny game. It just seems to me that you're doing a lot of awfully anti-town things for this being your best towny game.

Wrong

Instead of just saying wrong why don't you prove it you egotistical ****

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I dislike cussing but i really needed to emphasis how unhelpful you are being

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Mulch, you voted me based off my read list, know that I have not fully caught up yet? Not a very towny move. I promise to ISO you a bit when I have properly caught up though to get a better look at you one way or the other. However, you understand that I can't just take your word on this being your best towny game. It just seems to me that you're doing a lot of awfully anti-town things for this being your best towny game.

This entire game is basically people being scummy

Nah, you're town.

I'm glad you are actually giving me your opinion on me, again people seem to skip me in large read posts.

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Ok, Gerry is not around, Eevee, you're around, and I trust this a bit better having a TR on you. Please give me the top two ISO's to dive. Thanks.

Hmm try massive and idanyboy i wouldn't mind a more extensive opinion on them although you may have already commented on one of them.

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Eevee what do you think about me sheeping you? I understand I'd have to vote Lil uzi to do so but I'm willing to risk it if you're that certain. What's the odds of MMM's slots and Lil uzi being scum buddies? There's probably day chat. I would think the conversation and blowup MMM had would be a great way to distance. If uzi flips scum then I'd say MMM's slot should be next. I'd rather not play so poorly that I contribute to a mislynch on day 1 which seems like what maybe happening.

I'm not 100% on uzi being scum, but whatever he is right now hes the #1 person hurting town, followed my mulch but he seems like a townie with a big ego idk if in his laat game he got scum or something but hes a bit annoying too, i believe an uzi flip will be beneficial to the game itself and may shed some light on a couple slots including MMMs

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I don't have a big ego, I'm just not having people lynch me as a townie LOL

Then do something townie or you're nothing but dead wieght that can easily be left out at sea.

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You can't look for distancing without a scum flip.

All town has to work with is what is said! Any theory is plausible in mafia. It is our job to FIND scum using what we have. And what

I

have is people who care nothing of others thoughts and opinions.

Mafia is a TEAM game.
A team is as strong as its weakest link.
And i don't mind the weakest link/possible scum dying d1 to help town grow stronger.

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I do wish some players would be more active....but you are a clear and present danger to town. Uzi you're in a hole right now. Now can you 1) explain why you are town and 2) explain in good reasoning why you pushed MMM so early. Maybe you can change my mind, maybe you can't.

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{iDanyBoy, Eeveelution Army, Formerfish}
{Mulch,

LmkGuy, aronagrundy, massive, MordyS

}
{gerryoat, Bomberman, Lil Uzi Vert, Tchill13}

I'm leaning scum on the yellow slots (bar MordyS who I think didn't confirm) until further evidence due to the "scum wants to not have any heat on them during RVS" thing motivating scum to be inactive during this stage in my eyes. Obviously,

most

of these reads are obviously with low confidence as of yet, and are likely to change over time.

I'm not sure on Mulch. Early game posts are hilarious but not really alignment indicative, then he becomes the first player to post reads and actively trying in this game, but his reasons for scum reading seem off at the same time and he could be scum trying to take control as Bomberman I think said (despite his own logic also being flawed). I could see both of them being in the scum team together, actually.

...also holy shit, I just realised I'm scum reading over half the players. (this is assuming the low posters count)

I believe that scum will do anything to win. Mulch's behavior has garnered him a position of control and as a result he's been able to steer the game in any direction he chooses.

If he was scum

, I can easily see his partners letting him continue until he cannot get away with it anymore.

For now let's focus on just one of them. If you look closely, the wording implies that he knows Mulch isn't scum with a level of confidence that town cannot have at this stage in the game, and therefore this is a scum slip. Posts 62 and 223 also ping me - 62 for what imo is a counterproductive question and 223 for the lack of content despite there being plenty of things to comment on. This is probably my most confident read as of now.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

I am pretty sure here MMM did
{Town reads}
{Leaning scum because not enough to read}
{Scum reads}


But i guess we will never know

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To be honest, uzi lynch is giving me something wierd.

Sigh, something FEELS wrong.....but tbh he still is giving off a wierd scum vibe and it gives us some well needed info.

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Guys, as much as I know you would all love to LUV lynched, he's town.

I still don't want hammer to happen this early....i want the opinions of those who seem to be prod-blocking.

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LmkGuy was my first vote because just his energy seemed off. Idk if hes scum, but he definitely should talk more.



Also for the LOVE OF GOD would you please stop posting useless gifs.

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What would you guys think.... to switching to LMKGUY

Based on? Purely activity?

If it gets closer to the end of the day and we haven't sorted a lynch, I'd be fine to policy the LMK slot because of activity. It would be ideal for them to show up though.


Also Eevee, I have not forgotten about your request of my opinions on dany and massive. I have that going on in the background.

Thank you you're so friendly. I guess its true that opposites attract.

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Will you two calm down for the love of god. Can you two calm down and EXPLAIN why each other is wrong in a calm and orderly fashion. I can't tell what your argument even is with all the useless arguing

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Will you two calm down for the love of god. Can you two calm down and EXPLAIN why each other is wrong in a calm and orderly fashion. I can't tell what your argument even is with all the useless arguing

GG me on my own contradiction..

Your logic even*

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Dany seems to be picking out the things that are easiest to pick on, and getting nitpicky about semantics. There's not a real sense of effort being put in to his scum hunting.


And Massive, Massive is hard to read. I'm null scum on him right now. He's a low content poster, but he's like that as any alignment, so it takes me a bit longer to really get a solid read on him.

Pedit: Ah, ok, so you just pick and choose the things you want to focus on in your theory.

Theories are but theories.
Although his theory here is worse then normal. Idt hes scum for it, but thats a matter of opinion.

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Replacedin i unvoted lmk back then because my scumread on him was mostly activity based and i had someone else that i could get info on. Which lead me to an eventually slight townread on mulch.

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To your first statement it was for discussion.

Why do i townread mulch?
Because his attitude feels townie and i feel he genuinely agrees with his own statements.

I townread MMMs slot because of the emotion behind it the frustration. I know MMM and i personally felt that came from town MMM.

I scumread uzi because personally i feel most of his pushes feel more scum motivated.

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@Evee - What prevented you from having 'discussion' while maintaining your vote on LMK? Like you're not really answering my question here. Can you be a little more specific about LUV for me; which pushes exactly of his do you find scum motivated and why his rather than anyone elses?

@LUV - I think a lot of your points in that points against MMM are pretty silly and not really alignment indicative? I don't think he 'constantly ignored answering' your question at all. You're also misreading MMM's tiers, it's [town, null, scum] with the coloured people in the null territory people he think could be scum due to their lack of content archetype fitting with how he thinks scum play rather than just scum reading their posting itself. He wasn't ever 'lying' there, it was people not reading his posts and I can very much understand why he was so frustrated there. I very much think you're wrong on the slot and think you need to take a step back and have another look at it because that slots absolutely town. Maybe take a look at Tchill and my scum read on him while you're doing it too.

1) i LMK was a rvs turned into an activity based scumread. Unvoting him made a bit of sense to me at the time

2) you kinda just went over it yourself.

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Anyway thoughts currently are that tchill's slide onto LMK is like... disconcerting and weirdly positioned.

If we assume the tchill slot is scum (good assumption) then why isn't he on the mmm wagon? Mmmm?

Would also lynch tchill because, well, he's scum.

Strong town is idany, Uzi, Eevee, Mulch. Anyone scumreading them is bad.

Man, you're a better player than to actually believe the bolded here, "hmm, what scum motivation is there not to put someone to L-1 or join the leading wagon late on it". Like Tchill not voting MMM should have minimal impact on your read on MMM and doesn't change the fact that slot is town and there's lots of reasoning that should lead you towards that. Run me through the Evee town read please because apparently I'm bad. I'll also take words on your town read on iDanny because I'm getting sort of ~weak town feels~ from him but haven't been able to really lock that down.

Fine then he's newbie scum who somehow is really careful about late-joining wagons on town. With all the players in the game to vote for, he picks his scumbuddy? Remember, one of Massive/aronagrundy/LMK

must

be town (or at least non-mafia) if Tchill is scum. That vote super bad spooks me off the wagon.

Eevee is just town who doesn't have a clue and knows the first rule of being taken seriously is pretending you have all the clues in the world. Everything he posts reinforces this. Especially take the spat with Mulch, what sort of scumfuck starts a spat with Mulch here? Only way is if they're scumbuddies distancing.

Nah if anything the weakest read is Mulch:

Your scumread on me is bullshit because I've been nothing but townie all day. My scumread on you is clouding your judgment.

Parse that post for a second. Mulch thinks Eevee is scum. Eevee says Mulch is scum. Mulch's reaction is "your scumread is bullshit".

Well of course it's bullshit if he's scum

.

Now as I said before the more people post the more scummy shit they post, and that goes double for anything that Mulch posts, but man Eevee is the wrong person to be questioning in that list.

iDany is town, and I'm not going to say why unless you're on enough crack you want to lynch him today.

I like you. But you're a bit wrong. I call them as i see them. Nothing is fact until a flip happens.

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UNVOTE: lil uzi

I have a feeling uzi probably won't end up lynched today.

I think i can compromise on someone i've found a bit scummier after an intense ISO

VOTE: tchill

I dislike how he has MMM in his scumpool but says he isn't on the wagon because he "isn't scum"


Also i disliked how he asked if he could sheep me, i'm not sure how i responded back then but isoing him i feel its a bit scummier going deeper into the thought process.

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Explain parts of me that are scummy.

I did this already. Last page. You didn't respond.

Do you understand why I wouldn't cry about your death now?

Nope. And if your talking about that one interaction with someone when I said I am confirmed town, I need more than that. I'm not responding to bullshit.

What's "bullshit" to you?

Are you going to put that on any abitrary thing that you just don't want to answer?

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Don't get why he switched his vote there honestly.

Who mine?

1) i didn't scumread as much as i had when i voted you once the game calmed down from the mess.

2) i realize i wouldn't have enough evidence to persuade anybody onto you + i believe more then one person high townreads you or refuses to have you lynched today

3) i honestly townread MMMs slot, sue me

4) the points made against tchill sounded genuine + i gave a couple points of my own

5) this is a bit to tchill, this isn't a bandwagon as much as a hope for compromise. And bandwagon isn't even AI.

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Don't get why he switched his vote there honestly.

Who mine?

1) i didn't scumread as much as i had when i voted you once the game calmed down from the mess.

2) i realize i wouldn't have enough evidence to persuade anybody onto you + i believe more then one person high townreads you or refuses to have you lynched today

3) i honestly townread MMMs slot, sue me

4) the points made against tchill sounded genuine + i gave a couple points of my own

5) this is a bit to tchill, this isn't a bandwagon as much as a hope for compromise. And bandwagon isn't even AI.

Was talking about GreyIce.

Ah mb i was gonna say all that anyway to tchill from what he said before scumreading and voting me

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Nobody wants to lynch a wolf so..

What do you mean?

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I mean I alre scum read gerry so those are my biggest scum reads. Eevee then gerry. Mulch and idany are probably town with replacedin. Replacedin seem like the most reasonable at this point.

Why exactly do you scumread me?

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That's was in response to why I scum read eevee.

So you still scumread me after i explained why i voted you?

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Somewhat yes, i doubt lil will ever get hammered today. So i went with someone who was fairly scummy.

Sometimes you have to compromise on who to lynch.

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I'm telling you, he seems MORE wolfy this game

Do you mean like werewolf as in solo scum?

Or am i misunderstanding you?

If hes solo scum hurray one less kill each night.

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I'd kind of consider this L-2 really L-1 in that I think the second he gets put to L-1 there's a realistic chance that either Mulch hammers him or he self-hammers and not really wanting to end this day before hearing at least something from the LMK slot and from Arona. Don't think we need to run the day to deadline or anything like that but certainly some content from them before a hammer would be nice. And sure, if you want to just chat for a bit here before you actually finalise your reading that's fine. I just think I've gone over my reads on MMM & Tchill pretty extensively so far and not something I want to spend the time I can muster now doing. I'm happy to talk about other players though since strengthening/re-examining my reads there certainly would help.

My current ~townish pool is effectively GI, Gerryoat, iDanny, Mulch, yourself and the MMM slot with the Eeve slot possibly if Tchill is actually mafia.

In there I'd only really say I've got confidence in the GI, Gerryoat, Mulch and MMM reads? I can't actually translate my ~town thoughts~ on iDanny into actual words and reasoning and normally that's when I just drop the read so would like you to talk to me a bit about him if you've got time, Eeve too since outside of thinking Tchill-Eeve aren't aligned based on recent interactions I actually have a scumish read on her.

Also didn't get around to mentioning it earlier but I think the sheer speed at which GreyICE pulled up that meta comparison from Tchill (~12 minutes) and the accuracy of his reasoning points pretty strongly towards Grey actually having done a little bit of meta reading into Tchill when I'd pointed out he'd had two completed scum games and kind of think that's a decent indicator that Greys actually town here. Especially when combined with thinking his prior interaction with me came across as him genuinely attempting to analyse the game. Probably my most confident town read at the moment.

I feel i missed something.
But could you explain your scumish read on me?

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Want to run through this a little more, why do you think if the MMM slot is scum there'd be more scum vocally defending him then pushing him?

Your premise was "what if MMM is confirmed town" so good on you to switch up the parameters of the response to make me look bad.

Also um, the bolded here is a

huge

concern given Gamma has well, 0 posts inside the game so this kind of feels like you just making up reads.

Unfortunately this is just me confusing this game with the ONE other game I am playing in, where Gamma also got replaced.

Oh I see you caught it.

if the MMM slot is town* the above should read.

Why would scum need to vocally defend MMM if he's town? Getting wide townreads helps them zero. Getting town mislynched is how they win.

Depends scum can defend a wagon to get someone else mislynched so they can nk the person they defended to get towncred.

Its a gamble but can be effective to eliminate two players who may give them trouble.

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Spoiler:

I'd kind of consider this L-2 really L-1 in that I think the second he gets put to L-1 there's a realistic chance that either Mulch hammers him or he self-hammers and not really wanting to end this day before hearing at least something from the LMK slot and from Arona. Don't think we need to run the day to deadline or anything like that but certainly some content from them before a hammer would be nice. And sure, if you want to just chat for a bit here before you actually finalise your reading that's fine. I just think I've gone over my reads on MMM & Tchill pretty extensively so far and not something I want to spend the time I can muster now doing. I'm happy to talk about other players though since strengthening/re-examining my reads there certainly would help.

My current ~townish pool is effectively GI, Gerryoat, iDanny, Mulch, yourself and the MMM slot with the Eeve slot possibly if Tchill is actually mafia.

In there I'd only really say I've got confidence in the GI, Gerryoat, Mulch and MMM reads? I can't actually translate my ~town thoughts~ on iDanny into actual words and reasoning and normally that's when I just drop the read so would like you to talk to me a bit about him if you've got time, Eeve too since outside of thinking Tchill-Eeve aren't aligned based on recent interactions I actually have a scumish read on her.

Also didn't get around to mentioning it earlier but I think the sheer speed at which GreyICE pulled up that meta comparison from Tchill (~12 minutes) and the accuracy of his reasoning points pretty strongly towards Grey actually having done a little bit of meta reading into Tchill when I'd pointed out he'd had two completed scum games and kind of think that's a decent indicator that Greys actually town here. Especially when combined with thinking his prior interaction with me came across as him genuinely attempting to analyse the game. Probably my most confident town read at the moment.

I feel i missed something.
But could you explain your scumish read on me?

He and I basically have the same read on you. Why do you ask him to explain his read on you, but not me? Why does it matter to you that a few people mildly scum read you? If you were being actively pushed I might understand, but that's not really the case here is it?

I was just curious. We have time for discussion. So i was wondering what scummy thing I've done to give you an impression and i felt he scumread me more then you did

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Eevee: I don't think anyone is nightkilling MMM to get towncred. Do you?

Maybe? Depends on who they are.

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Hey former fish you're on the right track with gerry and eevee. When I flip vt by the powers invested in you and replaced in please at least lynch one of them.

This makes me cringe so bad.

Lets say you flip VT.

I know i'm town idk about Gerry but like. If you're town you could be responsible for three town deaths.

It would have been better if you had said something like "invested more into x and y" instead of begging for them to die.

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I come back from sleeping to 5 pages O.o.


So a loyal person found out former was scum? If former was commuter/hider/ascetic wouldn't it give the same result?

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WTF is a town loyal cop

Really i thought everyone knew what loyal was.

Loyal- fails when targetting someone not your faction.
Cop-inspects for mafia normally
Town-faction


Sorry if it sounds sarcastic.

Also there could be a scum roleblocker but i doubt it there could be some form of redirector right?

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I believe both claims and if Chick is scum I think Massive is her partner because this seems to specific to me.

I keep my vote on MMM because his reaction to my vote screamed

"scum caught for the wrong reasons"

and he worked to discredit me rather than my reasons. Gerry I'm pretty sure has seen me do the same thing in other games so I'm not sure why he would be surprised at my tactic.

btw english is my first language.

Really? I thought every humans first language was gibberish? Some comic relief


Although seriously i want an explanation about that line.

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Naw massives line

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Which is why id like him to explain

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Yeah sorry for the misunderstanding

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Not my point; my point is that him specifying that you're a goon rather than potentially mafia PR is what doesn't add up. But I'd rather him focusing on the other two sections directed at him then that because that's a much smaller concern.

And it's past the point where you can just go "Not commenting further", he's hard-claiming that he's got a guilty on you. If you're town you should know by now he's mafia for a fact and you need to start actually showing that to us, that or just claim mafia and lay down and die. Happy with either option.

Okay so i either missed something or i'm misreading. What are all the claims so far?

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Okay cause i heard two loyals and got confused between the two

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GreyICE claiming Loyal Neighbourizer; Targeted FF, No QT set up (Either roleblocked or FF is mafia,

very

likely the latter).

LUV claiming Macho Neapolitan saying that Chickadee is not a VT. Chickadee claims VT (Either one is mafia or

possibly

both are).

I'm Ascetic; can only be targeted by killing actions.

Should have two scum minimum inside FF/LUV/Chickadee here, should be guaranteed to be at either 6;1 or 4;1 at worst after this.

Don't worry i know what ascetic is I've studied the wiki since December 2015

On PS greater ideas is popular and it has ascetic.

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Should i hammer? I personally feel we won't get much else done until the inspects are sorted out.

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I've managed to get myself lost in all this. But replacedin is my strongest townread tbh based on how hes played so far and how hes starting to take a small lead in getting town organized.

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Not knowing the rolelist makes this a bit harder but i think lynching former will give us info possible scum or confirm a scum roleblocker

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I don't give up. And i don't fall for intimidation from anyone especially you. Also i Don't want to hammer yet.

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VOTE: formerfish i want this inspect mess cleaned up

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Then scum roleblocker is 100% confirmed and we can move from there

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If the review process has really degraded to the point where shit like this is acceptable then this site is dead. Any review committee that lets that sort of setup by should be summarily dismissed and replaced by random scummers. The goal of a normal is to maintain a balanced sense of gameplay with good variety from the roles without them becoming overly intrusive into gameplays. Guilties are fine. This "would they wouldn't they" of interlocking stupid roles is anything but.

That being said my opinion of the MafiaScum moderators probably couldn't be lower. Consider this my review of their performance.

Vote: Chickadee

Although perhaps there is something that makes these other roles make sense?

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I mean this got passed with a Gunsmith, Vig, Odd Night Cop v 2 Goons and an Odd night roleblocker or Mastinas last setup here where town had an Ascetic+Gunsmith+Vig+2-Shot Tracker v 2 Goons and a Fruit Vendor it's a pretty clear point towards setups being much more town sided than in the past or what I'd consider level.

Very much considering hammering here. If anyone doesn't think Chickadee is mafia they need to speak up now.

Did games used to be scumsided? Or just less townsided?

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Hmm. I only have a slight townread on chickadee from MMMs reactions. I wouldn't 100% oppose it. But i couldn't stop you if you wanted to hammer.

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Hmm. I only have a slight townread on chickadee from MMMs reactions. I wouldn't 100% oppose it. But i couldn't stop you if you wanted to hammer.

This is inexcusable at this point.

I am claiming a guilty on the slot. Do you not believe and if so why?

I don't trust your claim to be honest. But then again scum wouldn't fake claim a pr this early. Which is why i don't 100% oppose it.

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I just don't think you are completely town but i don't have enough evidence to push you as scum.

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Which is why i said i didn't oppose the guy hammering

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One idea i had is probably gone unless somehow town has a roleblocker, which is incredibly unlikely. But is there ANY chance of there being a third party? Since we have some info now and a person who we will probably lynch, Could we do a little setup spec?

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Oh i missed that; man post 0 was such a long time ago
Idm going slower for today though..just lets not take three weeks

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Well excluding people who have claimed and the result and what not. My highest scumread is massive now that i'm looking at his ISO. To me he feels like hes trying to question things but then doesn't really do anything with the answers. It's kinda like what i do as bored townie but its more common as scum.

Idk what to do about fro99er i dont have enough info to have a pure read on him


Also i townread you just because of how you've started to organize town and calm down the chaos, scum would just let town run around confused.

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MMM's flip really doesn't idk add anything to me? I don't wanna get deep into any of MMM's wifom. The townread was mostly player meta which personally i hate and now i hate it more.

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VT.

Grey is probably town at this point because of his massclaim push. Scum wouldnt openly push for massclaim

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Sorry lemme catch up

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Literally i try to catch up and basically every one of frogs post has a cuss word in it. Chill dude. I can't take much more cussing in this game.

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What happens if ff flips scum replacedin

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That leaves me/massive/frogger as your reads?

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And if ff flips town?

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Why is mulch always wanting to be the one to hammer? Is there a reason behind it or it is just him trying to be an egotist

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Also VCA isn't always reliable but it is worth noting

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It depends his VCA is incomplete thus i cannot agree nor disagree

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Massive's posts thus far today continue to make it pretty clear he's mafia, him attempting to use VCA to be the sole push on his reasoning behind scum reading both myself and iDannyBoy rather than actually looking at anything really relevant in the game is a pretty big scum tell. As is him ignoring the fact that iDannyboy is

hard clear

in that GreyICE can only get results on town, he has a clear on iDannyboy, there's zero chance he can be scum him. His avoidance of stating a read on Eeve/Frogger who he should be looking at if he's town isn't him attempting to actually scumhunt.

Eeves posts today are similarly awful in that he's not attempted to actually state and reads nor has he voted his scum read Massive. Him instead spending his time questioning why Mulch (a conftown player) that likes to hammer in games likes to do that isn't really moving the game forward.

@Eeve, fypov if you're town it should be 2 scum inside Massive/Frogger/Me, right? What are you doing to determine who it is? You've got a town read on me and a scum read on Massive from your prior posts, why aren't you voting Massive or actually stating any reads today?

Well u just said all my possible reads? Also i dont want mulch to hammer

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Incase scum supersaint? Is that a possibility?

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Kills the person who hammers

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Ik its probably unlikely but its not impossible is it?

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Depends in general or just on mafiascum?

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This is my second game on MS so im not sure how common certain roles are. In general they are somewhat common in cses and then there's a supersaint in gi and SS3 and SS9 but thats about it

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If its even possible hes supersaint i would rather hammer then mulch who you say is confirmed.

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I don't necessarily disagree its just clear is a strong word.

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Nothing is technically "clear" in a setup where we dont have the exact rolelist

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Yeah strong townreads arent exactly clear but might as well be

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VOTE: massive

Still don't want mulch to hammer. Anyway considering you've said it was two of me/massive/frogger that means they are scum in my PoV although frogger is more of a lead scum then a hard scum.

Something about mulch just feels off to me idk what it is. It's probably nothing but if me/massive/frogger flip town i say question him a bit more tbh.

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Also thank you for clarifying about supersaint i wasn't 100% sure how MS sees it.

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Alisae a couple things about me 1) i think out loud sometimes, and sometimes it ends up being fakeish sounding posts because of it, thats kinda where the ss thing came from.
2) I ask questions for 3 reasons A) For the record B) for myself to reflect on C) because its for the whole of town, sometimes im that person who asks questions no one else wants to ask/thinks of asking. Its NAI most of the time.

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Alisae, really need some real transparent-posting from you if you're town here given LMK had pretty much zero content before he replaced out and Frogger didn't have any participation on D2 and limited one on D3 so it's a fairly empty slot for the most part with some of the few things it's done (LMKs reads wall, Froggers lack of help getting Massive lynched and turnaround on FF) not being great, the latter example something I really think makes plenty of sense coming from mafia in that the timing of it happening after Arona was cleared feels like scum knowing their options are being closed in on them. Know there's not really anything you can to do answer for Frogger or LMK's actions so regardless of the actual alignment you've replaced into it's not an ideal situation but what you can do is actually show some genuine analysis/thoughts/reads while you're catching up, so if you're town here just focus on scumhunting.

Eeve, I need you to really start running me through some of your read progressions throughout this game and explain what you specifically were doing to actually move this game towards a win because your content post-D1 is pretty non-existent, your stance around Massive isn't great nor is your attitude on the FF v Chickadee situation. So if you're town here a few things I want you to explain are a) You suggested you weren't as confident in Mulch being town yesterday, obviously that's incorrect but I want to understand

why

you were thinking that, b) I want you to explain your stance on Massive in that you scum read him but didn't vote him on two consecutive days until forced to nor did you really assist him attempting to get him lynched, if you thought he was scum where was the commitment behind it, c) Run me through what you thought "learning there's a roleblocker" actually gained us on D2 since that was part of your reasoning behind voting FF there which is pretty ??? in that mslynching to learn a scums role isn't the way to go about it and lastly d) Run me through the "meta" you had on MMM that made you think he was town, this is a question I've asked you previously and got no answer about so really want you to spend a bit of time and explain to me where your head was at with him.

iDannyboy/Arona, wouldn't particularly minding you guys going through and taking a look at Massive<->Eeve and Massive<->LMK/Frogger interactions for us to bounce off about/discuss sometime soon but would prefer you guys not posting your analysis and thoughts on it until Eeve/Alisae have posted their thoughts there. If there's anything you want me to go over/elaborate on as well let me know.

A) I admit i was a bit biased there mb.
B) I don't think i ever stated a hard scumread against massive
C) Its an old saying i used to use whenever conflicts arose in cses/semicses inspector>inspected unless one is more clearly town then the other or we don't have room to lynch them both.
D) MMM is salty, ALOT, especially as town which made me think he was more of a frustrated town there. Its playermeta which i despise although it can be useful.

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Okay I get that but like
the reason why I'm emphaizing on the fact that you're asking questions and not caring about the answers is mostly because that looks like scum faking scumhunting skills.
and in my ISO what I'm seeing is

Step 1. Ask Question
Step 2. Not coming back to said question.


What do you think of my interactions with the Regfan alt? And why did you bring up the supersaint stuff again?
I mean
according to the Regfan/ReplacedIn alt, one of {Regfan, Me, you} Has to be scum since he has no intention of considering Arona and Danny is cleared via cop.
So assuming you're town, me v Regfan has to be a SvT yeah?

TBH you both seem town to me although i scumreaded BOTH your subs which puts me in an ewwy position here.
Supersaint was me thinking about setup spec and like a fool i asked it here, but similarly i could have asked about a bunch of other possibilities there.
The interactions between you two are Mindsetted town vs freethinking town but either can be scum which is zzz i honestly can't chose one over the other but if im forced to choose i'd say you for ur subs but then again replacedin is a vet and could have easily manipulated town for a while now.

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Eeeve, if you're town I need to

understand

why you were thinking what you were thinking so help me help you, so what specifically made you biased to thinking Mulch might be scum? You had a scum read on Massive in Post 1864 but you didn't really help get him lynched at any point, like what happened with your read on him? Can you backup this MMM meta that you used, like got a link that made you feel that way at all that I could take a look at?

Mulchs attitude is one i dislike.
My read on massive was up and down and i wasn't that confident in lynching him

And i can't really link you anything since PS! Is chatroom based so there isn't really anything i can link.

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Also random fact about me: i love cute fuzzy kitten defense, personally my favourite gambit.

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I dislike massive amounts of cussing unless i'm used to the person cussing alot. Personally i hear enough cussing Irl, online is my retreat i would like cussing to be as little as possible.
Although his push on arona was eh and his example spam post wasn't the best, its a weak setting for a scumread but it makes it so its less of a townread.
Right Now its not whose more scum to me its whose less town.

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Not massive the user massive the adjective

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His reasoning on arona seemed like he thought arona was bad town more then scum yet he still voted him at one point....idk if that makes sense to you as much as it does me

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VOTE: arona

FF I'd rather vote massive

Its not any one specific post...just the entire push seemed like he was hoping a lynch would happen on arona while possibly busing massive. Thats just me.

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Like i said i personally don't see you or replacedin as more scummy which irritates me like crazy.

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Thirty-ninth Votecount

:

(Fourth Votecount D4

)

massive - 4 (ReplacedIn, iDanyboy, EeveeLution Army, Mulch)

ReplacedIn - 1 (massive)

Not Voting - 2 (Fro99er, aronagrundy)

With

7

alive, it took

4

to lynch.

massive has been lynched.

Day 4's deadline was Monday, August 7th, @ 04:00 PM PDT: (expired on 2017-08-07 19:00:23).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

(+2)

massive - 4 (ReplacedIn, iDanyboy,

EeveeLution Army, Mulch

)

(=0)

ReplacedIn - 1 (massive)

(-2)

Not Voting - 2 (

EeveeLution Army

, Fro99er, aronagrundy,

Mulch

)

Last votecount was post 2250, page 91.

Spoiler: Player Vote History Day Four

• EeveeLution Army(1):
  massive
  
• Fro99er(0):
  
  
• aronagrundy(0):
  
  
• ReplacedIn(1):
  massive
  
• iDanyboy(1):
  massive
  
• Mulch(3):
  massive=> Unvote==> massive
  
• massive(1):
  ReplacedIn

Spoiler: Players Who Have BEEN Voted Day Four

1. massive:
   5 - ReplacedIn, iDanyboy, Mulch, EeveeLution Army, Mulch
   
2. ReplacedIn:
   1 - massive

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 4

On Mon, Jul 07/17/17 @ 04:26p,

ReplacedIn

voted

massive

in post 2181.
On Mon, Jul 07/17/17 @ 04:35p,

iDanyboy

Voted

massive

in post 2184.
On Mon, Jul 07/17/17 @ 04:55p,

Mulch

Voted

massive

in post 2185.
On Mon, Jul 07/17/17 @ 06:15p,

Mulch

Unvoted

(

massive

)

in post 2201.
On Tue, Jul 07/18/17 @ 07:00a,

massive

Voted

ReplacedIn

in post 2208.
On Wed, Jul 07/19/17 @ 05:12p,

EeveeLution Army

Voted

massive

in post 2252.
On Wed, Jul 07/19/17 @ 06:33p,

Mulch

==[]HAMMER[]== Voted

massive

in post 2256.

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I don't wanna vote without arona/danys thoughts

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Wait wait Dany so you scumread alisae for not agreeing with your scumread?

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Tbh alisae i was gonna vote replacein but you threw in yhe towel before i did.