Mini Normal 1921 - Town Win

[Robbnva]

Meh. An open game in a normal is whatever. Let's wipe this dust off and have a great game.

[Robbnva]

Ugh this game is going to suck with all these EM people.

[Robbnva]

Ugh this game is going to suck with rb

yer it sux 2 plai against me when im town

Sry u rolled scum

VOTE: Robbnva

can you please speak English?

Thanks

[Robbnva]

actually i think robb is mafia

Well you'd be wrong.

[Robbnva]

cause I'm mad this game is open. Had there been an announcement during sign ups I definitely wouldn't have joined. Normal que is for closed games. We have a que for open games.

After messaging both the mod and list mod and hearing them explain their side, I decided it's a stupid reason to replace out so I'll deal with it.

People from EM always irritate me. Most are trolls or people who play really bad.

[Robbnva]

He asked. I explained. There was no over explanation

I shouldn't even be on any hook anyway. The game hasn't even started yet so none of this matters.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: cloudkicker
what did the clouds ever do to you?

[Robbnva]

Why do you have an issue with transparency?

[Robbnva]

RB and cloud, why are you parroting transcend? Be original. My tone was explained and there's nothing wrong with it, certainly not scummy. I was frustrated, still am.

Not really sure why mykonian ignored my question.

Wondering why cloud prodded when the game just stated. He could have just declared v/la. The forgetting the game comment was odd also.

@cloud. To answer your question. When the game started nobody was pressuring me. I was the first vote of the game. What's the problem with rvs voting in rvs stage?

Not much else going on.

[Robbnva]

Why?

[Robbnva]

Why haven't you answered any of my questions?

VOTE: rb

[Robbnva]

No it's a question and a valid one since they both copied transcend's tone accusation.

I'm still waiting for you to answer my question also. If you could please I'd appreciate it.

I'm not really a fan of people ignoring question, especially mine.

[Robbnva]

ur tone just bothers me currently

Robb's tone

When you basically repeat what somebody else says (i.e. having issue with my tone) unfortunately you are parroting. It may not have been intentional but it was. Now we all know "tone" on paper is impossible to detect so if you would have actually explained what was wrong with my tone maybe you would have gotten some brownie points.

saying you didn't parrot him I feel is a false statement, refusing to answer my question is an attempt to deny me and others information, and when you were criticized for not giving effort you responded with a dismissive remark and then came back and gave myokian what he asked for which reads to me as ungenuine.

It's still early on but all this points more to a scum mindset rather a townie one so I feel good about my vote.

[Robbnva]

oh and the fact that you used my "tone" against me when I explained what my issue was with the game, comes across as very manipulative. A townie would have accepted my statement as honest because I have no reason to lie about something like that. Even if I were scum i would have no reason to lie about it.

[Robbnva]

ur issue with the game is dumb

ok. unfortunately I didn't ask you for your opinion but thanks for sharing it anyway. I think if you are town, you thinking my "tone" somehow made me scum was... sorry I am working on being nice, not insulting people, and being a team player so i will keep my thoughts to myself.

A townie would have accepted my statement as honest because I have no reason to lie about something like that.

wait

why do i have to assume you're lying about it to think that your complaint about it is forced?

Well since this is the first time you are saying my complaint was forced, it probably would have been useful if you would have explained yourself earlier on when you decided to parrot transcend. Transparency is a very good town trait to have, and i am not seeing much from you so I think my assumption about your alignment is right. Also my complain wasn't forced. I will be happy to post screen shots of the conversation I had with the game mod and the list mod to prove that my complaint is very genuine.

It is still early on in the game so things could change but for right now, on page 5 you are easily the scummiest person in the game.

and since we are sharing opinions here. I don't think your reasons for maria are any good especially since you have already proven to me you aren't capable of telling the difference between what is fake and what isn't.

[Robbnva]

the self brag was unnecessary.

be back later, don't want to flood this game with what will ultimately become a useless argument and will contribute to unnecessary excessive postings which is a hot topic atm.

[Robbnva]

That's fair I understand that now

his analogy is bad though. as a parent if I asked my kid that question, i'd still expect an answer and it had better been a truthful one.

my point was that actually i'm pretty good at discerning what is and isn't fake when it comes to early game tone-feeling stuff

I said you have proven to ME you are not capable of this because you think my attitude early on was forced which it wasn't. I also don't really care what you have done in the past, because EVERY player has good games and bad games and right now if my read on you is wrong, then I definitely feel like you are having a very bad game.

and as for transparency: i'm not parroting anyone

you may not be now, but you most certainly did earlier in my opinion. parroting someone is basically copying somebody's thoughts or ideas. that was exactly what you did. transcend mentioned my tone, you mentioned my tone.


as for the "X would do this and this" comment, that is how I play. I try to look at motives of people's actions and posts and ask myself would a townie do that or a scummy and use that for the basis of my reads. If the way I play gets me lynched, while I won't be happy about it especially over something that dumb, it won't phase me that much because I can easily find another game to play.

[Robbnva]

I mean the fact that I haven't dropped it yet should have been enough to answer your own question... yes i am serious.

[Robbnva]

this whole talk about tone is pointless

[Robbnva]

this whole talk about tone is pointless

ok, fine.

Why did you want us to disregard your pregame posts?

this is probably the dumbest question anyone could ever ask, but once you answer my question I will answer yours. Though the answer is kind of obvious and sort of already answered.

[Robbnva]

i parroted transcend too

I know, I had already said that but thanks for being man enough to admit it. that goes a long way with me. if people can start working together and start being honest I think we can eliminate a lot of the hostility in games.

[Robbnva]

I'm sorry for being annoying but it's annoying to be scum read for something that isn't alignment indicative.

[Robbnva]

There's no scum slip or no scum caught for the wrong reasons. I'm not scum and literally nothing you or anyone has said about me says otherwise.

This is why I don't think you are town. Because if you were I don't think you are really that naive that you think town can't be genuinely annoyed for being scum read for something that not only isn't alignment indicative it's something that is a personal belief. You really are willing thanks call somebody scum because they hate open games and people from epic mafia? Get out of here with that garbage.

If you manage to get me lynched, I'm going to ask as my dying wish that you are lynched next. You have shown zero town thought process this game and don't deserve to be alive once I flip town.

[Robbnva]

I won't be flipping red and if town doesn't lynch you we will probably lose.

P.edit I have tried to figure the game out though. I'm pretty sure I found one scum for game reasons. You on the other hand are voting me for non game reasons.

[Robbnva]

Game reason 1

saying you didn't parrot him I feel is a false statement,

Game reason 2

refusing to answer my question is an attempt to deny me and others information,

Game reason 3

when you were criticized for not giving effort you responded with a dismissive remark

Game reason 4

and then came back and gave myokian what he asked for which reads to me as ungenuine.

And after all that, my conclusion was

It's still early on but all this points more to a scum mindset rather a townie one so I feel good about my vote.

[Robbnva]

I respect honesty so at this early stage of the game it's enough to not have to worry about ATM. Once you start actually playing the game and making arguments I'll reevaluate my reads but right now I'm trying to sort people and find who I want to focus on more.

I never underestimate anyone. I'm a very paranoid person so nobody will ever be a full town read unless cop cleared.

[Robbnva]

I'm very vocal about the fact that people drag out days much longer than necessary and have expressed opinions like this both as town and outside of any kind of mafia game

So people shouldn't scum read you for personal beliefs?

[Robbnva]

Yet you scum read me for my personal beliefs?

Yeah you can't be town.

[Robbnva]

So now not I've got like 5 game reasons for why RB is scum.

[Robbnva]

Yet you scum read me for my personal beliefs?

Yeah you can't be town.

lol are you just gonna keep strawmanning me or will you at any point address my actual points because i'm kind of done with townreading people for being dumb.

What points have I missed?

You said I scum slipped or scum caught for the wrong reasons. I've addressed that.

You say I haven't analyzed the game, I've addressed that and proven it was false accusation.

Did I miss something else? I love disproving scum so what else you got?

[Robbnva]

So now not I've got like 5 game reasons for why RB is scum.

Considering you have zero game reasons for scum reading me and I've given 5, maybe less smiley posting and more scum hunting. Unless you want to give up and admit you're scum.

[Robbnva]

what you actually have are reasons im town just fyi

If true my condolences

[Robbnva]

yep, definitely blacklisting you if you flip town after this game

Thank you. That makes it easier for me because I want to play with good players.

[Robbnva]

If you're scum you're playing the annoying-fuckwit cards perfectly though

I really don't appreciate the insults. If me calling you scum and disproving your accusations against me is annoying you, maybe stop poking me?

I'm going to defend myself and not going to let scum push a mislynch.

[Robbnva]

i know you're like a parent and stuff but you're actually being really fucking stupid and none of your actual "game reasons" to scumresd me are even remotely accurate, because you're just taking my words out of context and twisting them to mean what they don't

i feel so fucking sorry for your kids lmao

This is completely uncalled for.

[Robbnva]

please don't talk to me ever again.

[Robbnva]

If anyone has anything for me I'll be checking in occasionally. Got a busy day tomorrow, but should be able to respond to questions and do some other stuff if people actually post stuff.

[Robbnva]

shh no it's tom marvello riddle

I can't really tell what to make of the robbnva/rb situation because it genuinely seems like they just dislike each other and their arguements stopped being entirely related to mafia at some point. Idk if they have beef with each other outside of the game though or anything.

I had no issues with him until he resorted to insults and then brought my kids into it. If he's town I really want him to start taking this game seriously, that goes for everyone really. But for now I've provided what I feel are 5 good reasons as to why he should be lynched.

I'm at l-2 basically cause I'm mad that this was run as an open game and I'm annoyed that I'm playing with a bunch of EM players because they typically don't take mafia seriously (oh look they aren't taking it seriously here either. I'm shocked /sarcasm) and because I'm aggravated somebody had the nerve to think that is somehow alignment indicative cause I'm faking my frustration.

It's bullshit. At this point I hope I'm lynched because that will expose RB as scum or just a really terrible player and I will expect him to be lynched Day 2. I'll still hang onto hope it happens d1 but that seems unlikely.


There is literally nothing else to talk about right now cause the rest is just shit posting. I'm off to go run a trail race so be back later.

[Robbnva]

I'll read up on these pages tomorrow but regardless what has been said an RB lynch is the only one I'll endorse. He doesn't deserve to live in this game past day one given his attitude

[Robbnva]

unvote

Last couple of pages are a mess. RB can be blunt, I think he employed it here though, I feel there was a motive. It was worse than usual. First thing that comes to mind is that he does it because he was scum and would get away with being more annoying, taking people out by dragging the game down.

Next question is if RB is smart enough for that.

Do you think he's overdoing trying to match his town meta?

[Robbnva]

Over 300 posts? Yeah fuck that.

If somebody's made a good case as to who rb's partners are lmk but I'm not really feeling like reading that many pages especially since we are lynching rb today.

[Robbnva]

hush mafia

Why does he make sense as rb's partner?

[Robbnva]

Last I checked examining posts with a clear mind and trying to determine if a townie or a scum posted that isn't confirmation bias. It's called scum hunting.

It's funny though he made fun me for saying "town wouldn't do something " yet I found a game of his where he voted a player for essentially the same kind of thing.

I don't see why he would do that as town, but could see it as scum.

I'm not removing my vote off him. If I'm wrong and he's town I can't play a game ignoring a player and I can't work with him either. He crossed a line that can't be undone.

[Robbnva]

do i need to link a game where rb (who is ufcking obvtown this game) hardcarried the (large) game all by himself???

No because as I said earlier you are only as good as your current game and if he's town I can't trust him. He doesn't even look or act town to me. Using emotions and being a prick doesn't earn town cred.

[Robbnva]

rb is obviously town.

sadly, even if my read is wrong on him, there is no way you can convince anyone of this because it just isn't true.

and I just want to say I am really mad. I didn't want to come into this game and death tunnell somebody. I wanted to be a good boy and play well with others. some bully comes in and starts talking shit, the bully is getting what he deserves.

we are lynching the bully. Even if I look past the bully stuff, I haven't seen any genuine scum hunting from him. He discredited my reasons for him (which are still valid imo) and he hasn't offered us anything other than being a meanie, being a braggart, and relying on meta/wifom.

where is the obvious town behavior? what has he done that could even be remotely considered town? PLEASE show me cause I don't see it.

[Robbnva]

why is he rb's partner?

[Robbnva]

where is the obvious town behavior? what has he done that could even be remotely considered town? PLEASE show me cause I don't see it.

[Robbnva]

rb is probably town after trying to self-hammer earlier

You mean the fake self hammer when he knew he wasn't at l-1? Are you really that naive?

[Robbnva]

Time to replace out. The game isn't fun for you clearly, it's just day one and only 4 days in so far, the mod can still easily find replacements. Cut your losses.

So let a bully win? No sir.

[Robbnva]

I scum read him before he made it personal. Those reasons are still undisputed. His actions after the insults point to scum also. No scum hunting, emotional appeal, self meta defense, and fake self hammer.

That doesn't make me think town

If he's town why aren't you it anyone else showing me examples of town play?

[Robbnva]

Clearly your vote is driven more by emotion than anything else. You need to cry me a river, get the fuck over yourself, and try again.

you do realize my vote was on him for game related reasons BEFORE he insulted me right? My emotions are preventing me from unvoting him right now, but they aren't what is pushing the scum read.

everyone keeps saying he is obv town yet nobody has taken me up on my request for examples. his emotional appeal doesn't make him town. his lack of scum hunting doesn't make him town, his fake self hammer doesn't make him town, his meta defense doesn't make him town.

all of those are either null or scummy.

now he claims he didn't parrot you, I completely disagree but fine let's say he didn't.

he still refused to answer my question about it. If he didn't parrot you if he were town I would expect him to respond originally denying it and moving on. he didn't. that is scummy

he still reacted poorly when he was criticized for not giving effort and he almost immediately came back and tried to show he was giving effort. That right there is extremely scummy because he's been trying to come off like an asshole on purpose towards me, cause I looked like easy lynch bait. When he does it towards somebody else who isn't lynch bait he has to check himself and try and make sure he stays on myk's good side. That is scummmmmmmy as fuck.

he only wants to look good to the people he think he can buddy, and be a dick to the people he think he can mislynch. That is a scum mindset. not a town one.

so if he isn't going to be lynched today, i'll deal with it but he has done absolutely NOTHING that looks town. and all the people who say he is town is doing NOTHING to support their arguments.

I am not accepting meta or gut for a reason to town read somebody when I have actual examples of bad play.


So what makes him town? everyone who has called him town needs to explain why or shut the hell up about it and vote him. He is going to be the biggest distraction this game and he is not going to be helpful, since he hasn't been yet.

[Robbnva]

and I am sorry for my anger here, but I have asked multiple times for somebody to explain why he is town and nobody can. I literally have no clue why he is voting flairs or why he voted myko earlier. neither of those votes made sense and the reasons were weak. He isn't even doing a good job at explaining himself let alone making a case on somebody.

"flairs is a carbon copy of other scums i've caught" or whatever

who? names and games please? what about him makes him similar? on the surface he has probably done more this game than rb has so what makes flairs scum?

I feel like if he were town who is as awesome as he claims he is, he would be better at convincing people.

[Robbnva]

so nobody is going to take my request seriously? maybe I should just replace out

[Robbnva]

ROBB IS A FUCKING PUSSY ASS TOWN DOINT LEGIT SCUM WORK AND DOESNT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT HIS WINCON

That's not true at all. I legit scum read RB and nobody can fucking tell me why he's supposedly not scum.

I've asked like 4 times and people are ignoring me. Now people are insulting me again?

I'm over this game

replace me please.

Y'all can't take this game seriously, I'm done. This is why I hate people from EM. They don't take mafia serious

[Robbnva]

all parts of the game should be made available. the fact scum has an option is stupid