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[mastina]

Seventh Votecount

:

MMM - 4 (aronagrundy, massive, Lil Uzi Vert, Mulch)

gerryoat - 2 (LmkGuy, iDanyboy)

Lil Uzi Vert - 1 (MMM)
Bomberman - 1 (gerryoat)
Tchill13 - 1 (Formerfish)

Not Voting - 4 (MordyS, Bomberman, EeveeLution Army, Tchill13)

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

MMM is at L-3.

Day 1's deadline is Tuesday, July 11th, @ 1:30 PM PDT--(expired on 2017-07-11 16:35:36).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  

[EeveeLution Army]

I Wouldn't player meta someone unless I've played a decent amount of games with them lil uzi. Reading old games doesn't give you the same emotions as being there.

[EeveeLution Army]

Actually for my sanity, could Eveee, MMM, and tchill talk about their mafia experience?

I forgot to answer this.

I started playing mafia around december 2015.
It's more fast paced then here.

I recently started playing here.

I'm glad to answer any follow up questions

From EpicMafia?

From PS!(pokemon showdown)

I've been there since late 2015/early 2016

[EeveeLution Army]

I like the fast paceness of ps- it gets my heart pounding my emotions aflame. Even if some of the usebase isnt the best it still gets me up in the morning.

[mastina]

So all the mod stuff should now be up-to-date:

1. The OP should feature isos of every player who has posted, and includes a link to the replacements. (In the dead spoiler.)
   
2. Notable Events (D1 Events) has been updated fully, to note every votecount and the Gamma Emerald replacement (Bomberman).
   
3. Players Voted/Voting has been updated.
   
4. Voting Chronology has been updated.
   
5. Peak Wagons has been updated.
   
6. Votecounts has been updated.
   
7. Speaking of which, post 114 and post 156 (neither originally featuring one) were updated to include votecounts.
   
8. The promised votecount of 225 has been delivered.

Enjoy! (You sure know how to keep a girl busy.)

[MMM]

I honestly didn't realize MMM had so many votes

I didn't either but with 1 being an RVS vote from someone who hasn't posted since page 3, 2 being OMGUS and 1 being... (Mulch what the heck is your vote based off of again?) this wagon should be dissolved in no time.

For how long will you put it off?

I know this sounds presumptuous but you'll know

Fair nuff. To answer your question, I won't be mad.

[gerryoat]

ill catch up tomorrow. promise. sorry everyone!

[Formerfish]

Im going to attempt to figure out what this post means.

(Bold)

in Tchills post will be me.

I'll try. I participated because I didn't want the game to get away from me as too much information to go back and re-read

(I assume you are talking about why you RSVed, you can answer this as #1)

. I feel like mulch is town and I've got a lot of confidence in that player

(Why to both? Answer this as #2)

. He was also the most active at the time so I figured I'd ask him

(What did you learn from asking him that question? Answer this as #3)

. I didn't vote eevee for reactions. I voted eevee in hopes a wagon would form

(What is the point of creating a wagon unless you are voting for someone you thought was scummy or you wanted to see how others reacted to the votes? You saying you voted for it to be a wagon, but not for reactions, Those things can not be at cross purpose. You can address this as #4)

. I explained why I voted bomber the reasons were a little more serious than "new" and "shiny". Seemed like he made up his statement about mulch being nervous

(How do you know how to tell the difference? Answer this as #5)

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Here you go:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

Well I wanted it to form so something would actually happen that we could get reads and reactions from.

The wagon is the thing you are trying to get reads and reactions from, but you didn't vote for reactions. Wait, I'm confused.

Well my particular vote wasn't to see how people would act to my particular vote but to set up a wagon that we could react to. I get where you're coming from though. When you asked that I thought no I did it to make a wagon. Making the wagon was for reactions so I get your point now.

What the fuck is this even? Also, this is like your third post where you talk about using votes to make reads, without ever saying what you learned.

iDany why do you keep asking mundane questions without actual scumhunting?

You don't see a valid line of questioning in the obvious disconnect between what Tchill is saying his vote for and what his play has shown so far? He keeps talking about voting to learn things, but what did he learn, anything?

FormerFish i said you specifically because at the time you were the longest person who hadn't talked. Also i'm staying on Lmkguy until he says something of any use.

And since then I've spoken, just waiting on you to reply. Post #250 is a thing as well.

MMM's #228 is a scum claim. The vote on Uzi is bad, and he reasoning is worse. The MMM/Uzi spat looked worse for MMM IMO. #256 you reiterate the same thing I said in #250 to Eevee, this could be buddying towards me, and/or warning your scum buddy to answer me.

1. I'm not the first person to mention this
2. If you had actually read my fucking reads post you'd see it's not even a major indicator for my reads since my actual scum leans based on actual content are actually listed in the scummy section compared to people like you who simply haven't posted enough to warrant an actual read

The tone here is off for me. #2 especially. The "fucking" is what is throwing it off for me. And dont get me wrong, I like a good "fucking" as much as the next guy, but this "fucking" felt wrong. This "fucking" felt forced and over the top to me. Huge scumtell in my book.

The problem I am facing right now when it comes to the current gamestate is that the people who have been most prominent in discussion are likely town and only nitpicking at each other

If, let's say, us two, Mulch, ELA and Danyboy are probably town nitpicking at each other, who do you think is actually scum then?

Add Uzi to this list

Is this you basically saying that everyone who was on your list (the people who were active in the thread at the time) are all town? Why the fuck would you do that?

How do you know they haven't been here? For all you know they are reading what we are saying right now and blatantly ignoring it

This is a bad argument to make right now.

Your scumread on me is bullshit because I've been nothing but townie all day. My scumread on you is clouding your judgment.

I've explained why i read you. And again i feel its unlikely its both of you but its possible. I do feel at least one of you is probably scum.
UNVOTE: Lmkguy

This is a bad vote. I said it was a bad argument to make, and this is a shit vote man. We have plenty going on in thread right now with people being active, I said as much in post #250, which you ignored, or chose to again not comment on. Do I need to take out a billboard with my posts on it near your house for you to remember to respond. Its odd, because you were the one who wanted to hear my stately opinion and have done squat with it so far.
LOLOLOLOL at #320 from you Eevee, you answer Uzis post, and mine are still ignored.

Mulch why am I lock town? And I hate you putting me in a town block with gerry.

Massive has a point. And what looks like a decent vote.

Wait Mulch why do you even townread gerryoat?
I personally don't see it.

We mindmeld

Or you got buddied hard and you missed it.

Your vote is still on Lil uzi right?

Why is this relevant?

Information in the sense that he has an absurdly high post count, has interacted with a majority of people, and has even written a wall or two about his reads

Granted, this behavior does not make him immediately town, but if my suspicion about what I talked about prior is true, it's more than likely that there are better votes/people to pursue, like ones who are more of an enigma

If you look at the actual content he has put out there youll see him as scum. Just read his posts again.

As a general note, can we hide quoted posts in expandable spoilers? I play a lot on my phone and the 9 deep posts are killing me.

[Formerfish]

I honestly didn't realize MMM had so many votes

I didn't either but with 1 being an RVS vote from someone who hasn't posted since page 3, 2 being OMGUS and 1 being... (Mulch what the heck is your vote based off of again?) this wagon should be dissolved in no time.

For how long will you put it off?

I know this sounds presumptuous but you'll know

Fair nuff. To answer your question, I won't be mad.

VOTE: Unvote
Nah, this wagon is gonna stick around. I smell fake all about you.
VOTE: MMM

[EeveeLution Army]

Formerfish perhaps i misunderstood your question. I thought you wanted me to post my townreads which i did. I'm happy to answer your question

[EeveeLution Army]

Formerfish perhaps i misunderstood your question. I thought you wanted me to post my townreads which i did. I'm happy to answer your question

Oh i found a question i might have missed.

You were wondering why lmk?
Because at the time he had the least activity with the most useless posts. Sometimes people forget mafia is a team game, towns technically supposed to work together.

[LmkGuy]

Right! Well that happened quickly! Apologies for the afk, long story short Thursdays = busy af and today was report writing day (im a teacher).

Onto the good stuff:
I have read through the thread and my initial reactions are:
Mastina: coolest mod. Makes shit so organised and easy!

Seriously though, there has been a fair amount of posting so going to do my best to address what I can. If i miss anything just hmu

Arona: Nuffin to say, hasn't posted in the last 2 days.
Gerry: Pretty useless posting, troll votes on mod, silly statements, but to be fair to him, most of these were start game stuff and he has promised to catch up. Verdict still out
Bomber: I like his early comments but the stuff about his gameplay/style irks me. It seems like an attempt to distance himself and be able to use this as an excuse to back up or withdraw from comments he has/will make. He has done a bit of pushing and resisting to comments made, which I like. I feel like as scum, he could have buddied with Mulch without too much suspicion, rather than "poking the beast" so to say. This doesn't make him town, but i will hold my verdict until he reveals to use his magical play style that he has been training off site for all these years
Danny: His posts are wierd. Idk just from re reading his ISO I can't really get a clear idea from him. He has posted throughout the last two days, but hasnt really contributed to any of the major ideas being thrown out there. Seems to be more focused on himself and trying to keep a low profile, whilst still being active.
Mulch: obviously the big dog in town. He has thrown himself right out there and is doing his best to scum hunt (or at least put on a show of doing so). I'm weary of him as his play style is very similar to the last scum team I versed. Basically go out guns blazing, try get as many people to lock you as town and go from there. For the time being I guess he is my strongest Townlean, not because of what he is saying, but rather the way others are reacting to him.
Fish: Very early buddy attempts with Mulch. The way the game has progressed, I highly doubt both of these guys are scum. IMO either one is scum (therefore other is town) or they are both town. I feel as though Fish is focusing on the content of posts and using this to inform his votes/opinions, which I really like.
Uzi: His early game is an attempt to blend in, his mid posts are all focused on him and then his later posts seem to be focused on moving attention away from himself. I don't really like this progression at all and it feels slightly scummy to me.
Tchill: Seems pretty neutral to me so far, just going with the flow, will have to see what he comes up with before I can make a serious judgement.
MMM: The wagon we have going so far. His early posts seem genuine, but not the biggest fan of his mid/later posts. He seems to be employing a similar strategy to what i mentioned about Mulch, and at the moment it seems like a bit of a dick measuring contest between Mulch and MMM. Do I think he is scum? Maybe, but not my strongest scum read at the momment.
Massive: Okay Mr "low-content poster as both alignments". I don't mind if this is the case, but would like an insight from you here. I do believe post count is NAI, but so far don't have too much from you, so would love to see more.

Right that covers my reads list so far. Will make sure I stay on top of the game from here on out. Like I said, let me know if you have any questions.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Where's your vote, LMK?

[EeveeLution Army]

Lmkguy welcome back thanks for your reads but i do believe you skipped a person or two in it. Although this was probably accidental considering how much you have to comment on.

[EeveeLution Army]

I think mulch is manic town

VOTE: MMM

When you get back arona would you explain your townread on mulch and your double vote on mmm?
Both were early in the day and you commented on neither.

[aronagrundy]

I came in to low key prodge bc I won't really have time to read this til the weekend but I'll answer your question.

Both votes were serious to an extent. I thought MMM's tone seemed forced (which is why I voted them the first time) and then I didn't like their lmk vote. I read it as a serious response to lmk's gamma vote. I wasn't very clear with my reasoning because I wasn't really taking the game that seriously yet

[Bomberman]

I assure you there's nothing magical about my play, rather I just don't want to say something without it being concrete

[massive]

Fishie can be town for now. Hey Uzi why don't you make me feel like this? I feel like I've played enough with you now to have an idea on your game.

And I have a feeling I'm going to be let down by Bomberman's big reveal.

[Mulch]

If he's buddying me he's doing it while thinking exactly like I am...

[Bomberman]

Fishie can be town for now. Hey Uzi why don't you make me feel like this? I feel like I've played enough with you now to have an idea on your game.

And I have a feeling I'm going to be let down by Bomberman's big reveal.

I think a lot of people are hyping me up for something that is essentially me saying 'I don't have anything I want to comment about in-depth right now'

[MMM]

MMM's #228 is a scum claim. The vote on Uzi is bad, and he reasoning is worse. The MMM/Uzi spat looked worse for MMM IMO. #256 you reiterate the same thing I said in #250 to Eevee, this could be buddying towards me, and/or warning your scum buddy to answer me.

1. I'm not the first person to mention this
2. If you had actually read my fucking reads post you'd see it's not even a major indicator for my reads since my actual scum leans based on actual content are actually listed in the scummy section compared to people like you who simply haven't posted enough to warrant an actual read

The tone here is off for me. #2 especially. The "fucking" is what is throwing it off for me. And dont get me wrong, I like a good "fucking" as much as the next guy, but this "fucking" felt wrong. This "fucking" felt forced and over the top to me. Huge scumtell in my book.

The problem I am facing right now when it comes to the current gamestate is that the people who have been most prominent in discussion are likely town and only nitpicking at each other

If, let's say, us two, Mulch, ELA and Danyboy are probably town nitpicking at each other, who do you think is actually scum then?

Add Uzi to this list

Is this you basically saying that everyone who was on your list (the people who were active in the thread at the time) are all town? Why the fuck would you do that?

[...]

Massive has a point. And what looks like a decent vote.

I swear a fucklot more than the next guy because I get really frustrated when every single one of you is acting like a bunch of fucking retards by calling me scum based on pathetically false accusations and not actually dealing with what I am actually fucking talking about in my god damn posts. I came to this site in the first place because the play standard on PS was simply fucking awful but I certainly never expected it to be just as bad here. You, like massive, have not read the fucking context when you made your own accusation, and thus obviously your shitty statement about my intentions there is completely and utterly WRONG.

I could tell you to actually read the context and interpret it as what you're SUPPOSED to interpret, but clearly it's just a waste of time. Those on my wagon who are town are tunnelling and those who are scum are taking advantage of me being a really easy wagon. It doesn't really matter what I say, because neither are getting off any time soon, apparently, despite it being the obvious correct play, and I find it incredibly hard to believe that it's not already been done.

And on a final note... thank you guys so much for proving to me that I should just stop trying with this entire game. I thought the standards of play here would be higher than on PS, but apparently actually making your fucking cases will result in people calling you fake and scum for actually trying to accomplish shit without explaining either why I'm scum or why my case is apparently a totally fake narrative. No thank you, I'd rather just die on night 1 every fucking game so I don't have to deal with peoples' fucking bullshit.

VOTE: MMM

I'm gonna take a very wild guess and say that someone will assume that I've claimed scum for the second time now, and you know what, I don't even care at this point. After all you clearly all know so much better than me so surely you'll manage to find scum really easily after my mislynch. But whatever. I can't be fucked investing more time into this if I'm just gonna get blatantly ignored and misrepped by both town and scum.

Poke me if you're actually gonna read what I have to say. I'm done with talking into a fucking vacuum.

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[Bomberman]

ELA, chime in how you feel about MMM's outburst based on your experience with them and if he would do it as scum

[EeveeLution Army]

MMMs...... temper isn't always Alignment indicative, but this level is probably coming from a town MMM.

[Bomberman]

I agree with you, and believe that even in MMM's frustration he has made pushes that are in conjunction with mine (LUV, as an example).

[Bomberman]

Is there where I reveal what I was waiting on? Sort of.

I think Tchill/Gerry/LUV are the best people to vote right now, my preference being LUV>Tchill>Gerry. I don't have enough to call Gerry anything therefore I'm not going to base arguments on that, but I will say that LUV has been playing low to the ground, and what I mean by that is even if he is trying to seemingly 'sort' the game out, there's nothing that really sticks. I don't really mind if people want to take their time, but a lot of the questions, pushes, and involvement don't really amount to much. It can be described as playing careful, which I don't like. This is coupled with the fact that LUV is supposed to be someone who is a seemingly 'hyperposter', but perhaps he's trying to correct that? I don't know if I can believe that for a good amount of reasons, and even then, if you look at LUV he's really not saying much.

MMM, this is your chance to join a contrarian wagon.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert