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In post 149, plantsy wrote:Imperium, we're really excited to be playing with you again and we are hoping to pick up where we left off at the end of last time and be an unstoppable town force together by the start of day 2. Please be town!!!
Nancy and Plotinus!
We are town. I hope you're town too and we all click like last time. Also, I'm feeling a little jealous that we've been talking about hydrating for a while now and never have
Anyway, I literally just searched to see if anyone talked to us yet and that's all, and when I saw it was you guys that reached out I couldn't not say hi.
I am pretty busy at the moment, so you probably won't see much of me for the first half? of day one. I don't know we'll see how that goes, but now that I see you guys are here I'll try to make time. I imagine nacho will be poking his head in here in the next day or so though.
I'm planning to catch up on this game after rest and maybe ~activities~ so I'm afraid this question won't be answered in the immediate future, but it will be answered.
Is nacho friend the bad guy?
First things first is that we are Hercules, a Modified Gladiator. If we target and lynch scum correctly, we gain an investigative; if we target and lynch town, we become Macho. I have every intention of using my role today (assuming I'm not left in a position where I just feel terrible about all scumreads); it requires there still being 72 hours on the deadline timer for me to use it and I'll be giving my targets notice well in advance.
Statler and Waldorf is a fantastic gimmick so far; I am immensely glad that they are aware of the concept of pacing (which means that they have readable content in between the gimmick posts) and good humor. I will struggle to lynch them early.
Mastina's thought process on Creature in this post, has a bit higher confidence than I would have in her place but I 100% agree with her thought process thus far.
@KeySkiies:
I don't think Mastina's role claim is at all alignment indicative; it's very likely a true claim thanks to how incredibly easy it is to test but I think a stronger indicator of her being town this game is her opening thoughts on Creature/Smith.
@mhsmith0:
Early townreads on mastina aren't exactly made of the sternest stuff, but I liked her take on your early hated claim quite a bit; your "i'm hated even though I thought people liked me!!" was so lame that it actually came off as fake and stilted to me. Her next significant read was the Creature read, and I think her reasoning for it was absolutely spot on; Creature has this easy sort of confidence as town that he doesn't have even a shred of as scum (from my very limited experience with him) and while "she's having the same thought process as me!" isn't something that will hold up lategame as reasoning for her being town having my first two thoughts of the game in her first two real posts is at least deserving of a town-nod, whatever the hell that means.
The partner tell Gamma talks about here is pretty incredibly reachy but it has genuine vibes to it so I'm going to tell myself that I'm not trying to find reasons to townread them and let it stand for now.
Smith's early engagement in general is looking pretty good (and while I don't really share the same FA worries she does, mastina says the smith read immediately after I think it - again, not as alignment indicative as I'd like to be but it's making me chuckle so I'm pointing it out).
Creature townvibes are gone on a bad day, dying out on a good one. I don't like that it seems like his momentum fizzled out pretty much immediately.
Oversoul starting the game with the grumpy interactions with mastina seems like something slightly more likely to come from town than scum; doesn't seem like he's trying to make friends or be cute and cuddly.
In post 596, Ramcius wrote:why i have bad feeling about this? Oh, right, on page 1 there is description of similar role, but that's scum one
Gladiator roles are different from bookie roles.
If you're pointing out that scum gladiator would have excellent synergy with scum bookie role, well that's a significant part of the reason I'm using it Day 1.
I'll be around a pretty long time today unless people who told me I couldn't do it are actually correct! Maybe I'll catch you if you're in a mafia mood when you wake up.
In post 126, SlySly wrote:Preflop associations sounds like something you'd SR.
SlySly, what did you mean that preflip associations sound like something Gamma would scumread? Were you implying that Gamma would normally scumread people who offered up preflip associations, or...?
Why did you FoS Radiant instead of voting one of the two scumreads you expressed?
Sly including "voting town in RVS" as part of his Radiant case here is something that I find to be an exceptionally weak and bullshit point - I don't like the case as a whole, but that part stands out in a special way.
@itlepip:
It wouldn't surprise me if some of the conviction behind smith's early pushes was fake, but that obviously wouldn't make him scum. Why vote him here?
Spoiler: response to plantsy's posts because they are my favorite
Normally the problem with butting in is that you're getting in the way of someone else's answer; here Boon was asking Rylai why they thought mastina was forced and smith asked Boon why they thought mastina was town so there wasn't actually any interference there.
In post 149, plantsy wrote:It feels like you're constructing a narrative in which mastina is scum and you're looking at everybody else through the light of mastina and all of your reads are based on mastina and their interactions with her. It feels really one dimensional and easy.
This is similar to itlepip's observation. I think that while mhsmith0 might be playing up his suspicions a bit, that dishonesty doesn't necessarily equal scum.
SQ's push on mastina here is a bit in left field (lots of things change how we respond to posts in a game, which include our mood at the time and different expectations on who we're playing with), but the overall push feels vaguely genuine. I'm not sure what Yume's general opinion of mastina is but the push to sort her early definitely seems like a townie perspective.
My early townread on Ramicus is one that hangs almost entirely on tone; I like his recent pushes on me for being a bookie-gladiator (I think), and I like how he pushes the Yume read here with the same conviction.
Yume's frustration here that someone isn't taking the time to interpret and think about her case properly is also something I think happens more often from town than not; she could just be scum that's proud in the push she's faking but I think it's likelier that she's town who thinks she has a legitimate line of pursuit and Ramicus is damaging that by making her case seem worse than it actually is.
@keyen:
Why did you townread smith early? What were your concerns on Rylai?
I said RC mentioning meta there at that point was towny
There are a couple points this game where Rylai goes "I didn't suspect you, I just said you were suspicious" or this post. I'm personally guessing that it's not alignment indicative but it's weird and so I'm noting it and hoping the head of this hydra that's actually good at town can give me some more productive feedback on it.
A lot of the RC-FA interactions early game to me are mostly meaningless to me. RC's assertion that FA as town would attempt to sort out their hydra first thing is an assertion that sounds logical enough, but trotting out the "you're not reading me yet" card on page 10 seems premature in general. Her saying RC using meta was "towny" is a weird statement to be sure, but I don't know if a weird statement means that she has a strong chance of being scum; this is the type of thing I would have asked her to elaborate on if she was still around. FA accuses RC of having an early game FA push; this is something I can buy thanks to the RC-Postie interactions that I've seen (which might not be indicative of their meta together as a whole but on average it seems like he suspects her a bit more than he should and tends to push aggressively to form/solidify reads on her). Her saying that she'd prefer to let the game solve RC or read the slot through Titus is something that seems a bit questionable because I'd expect FA to have pride in her ability to read RC, but this is an intuitive guess and also falls in the "something I'd like to talk to her about" category so overall the most honest thing I can do is shrug and wait to read on other things.
In post 606, Ramcius wrote:well, when i see confirmation, then i believe your claim
This is an odd perspective to take. Why would we claim a role that could and should be confirmed on Day 1 if we couldn't actually confirm it (and need to confirm it before 72 hours to deadline)?
@Mastina:
What in your ISO dive bothered you here?
In post 305, mastina wrote:Now. Frozen Angel admitted she was changing her style, yes. But the thing is, the old Frozen Angel I'd expect to have not only substance but also emotion. The "changing her style" excuse works for the latter; its absence doesn't alarm me given that. It does NOT, however, work for the former, which is where my main beef with her is.
This isn't the sense I got from reading her posting.
-Although it wasn't an explicit scumread, this post is her pressing into a negative feeling on how you described your smith read; while it's not something I agree with personally, I don't see how it's any less valid a line of pursuit than your view on smith's early posts.
-This is FA pushing back against S&W for Gamma's push on her which I think is a pretty reasonable line especially considering how bonkers the partner tell bit was.
-This post has FA calling Titus out for something that Titus pressed that was incorrect and sees her pressing smith to elaborate a bit more on his read on you.
-This post has a strange RC read, but also has a read on you where she townreads you for understanding where she's coming from in her scumread on her (a misconception, but one that is based on you talking about that you expected to be scumread and thus one that's pretty reasonable as a whole), and she townreads you for having nuanced reads on people who are townreading and scumreading you (again based on that misconception, but still seems genuine).
And I could go on, but I think this is enough to establish that you saying she has no substance isn't exactly accurate; you can argue that her content is weak or misguided but I don't think it makes sense to say that it just wasn't there.
In post 308, Radiant Moonlight wrote:My supreme beyond anything else issue is that she's claimed a townread, hasn't reevaluated that townread in the face of me pushing on her, and has given no indication of why.
I also don't think that this is entirely accurate: in 224 she explicitly said that she wasn't townreading you and in 228, 232, 235 and other posts are instances where she is asking you questions and attempting to sort you. There's, of course, an argument to be made if you say that it rings fake because you just think she's trying to appease you, but I don't really think this happened the way you said it did.
I agree with the general sentiment behind #324; Jae's entrance is flat and boring and doesn't really align with the town!Jae I'd expect.
@Jae:
Why did you naked vote Rylai when you knew that it would make mastina paranoid of you? Wouldn't it have been more productive for you to explain what you were doing? Could you walk me through why you were townreading mastina at this point?
Spoiler: plantsy response!
In post 341, plantsy wrote:she is as scum then she would potentially be displaying signs of cognitive dissonance and tonally would be awkward and off-kilter but I don't get either of those feelings from her
I think that I'm pretty much on board with the first paragraph except I wouldn't really be expecting those red flags to be in place if FA was scum here; I find things like her pushback on S&W to be reasonable and justified and pretty clean looking but it's not something that pushes her further into town to me, it just doesn't make me think scum. I have a similar behavior about her general behavior around the lover claim - not scummy, doesn't push her into town.
In post 341, plantsy wrote:I'd expect her to make more noise about Gamma's bad vote if she were scum, for instance, rather than continue to engage with the thread on a no-agenda basis.
I do think this is a good point, though; she dropped that push pretty quickly even though she was in the right making it and you're right that it'd be pretty tempting for scum to keep hammering on that point.
In post 341, plantsy wrote:she feels invested in the sorting value this interaction has.
This resonates with me - there's a lot of talk from Max/Pip/RC saying that she's not interested in determining RC's alignment, but it seems pretty clearly that she is?
Overall, this is pretty reasonable analysis and seeing reasonable analysis from you this early is not really what I'm used to from you - what prompted the playstyle change here?
In post 624, Imperium wrote:Asking what "various reason" we could have to claim a confirmable role that we're supposed to confirm on Day 1 if we can't actually confirm that role.
i asking myself why you put town under pressure so early in D1 - we have no right for mistake in today's lynch or you'll become sitting duck for scum team. Wouldn't be better wait for later day, when we have more info to work with or a guilty, if we lucky, so you'll have much higher chance get your ability?
Several reasons.
For one, I think that using it on Day 1 when there is no possible way that we can set up a scum bookie is important; as scum, securing that extra kill would be important for me and setting it up via the gladiate is one very possible route I could get there and so using it now before that worry comes into play is kind of a "good faith" action, if that makes sense.
Secondly, I'm hydraing with Tammy - you might not know her but she's been having some excellent games lately and I can't really remember a time with her recently where she didn't end with scum on her radar - maybe by myself I don't have the greatest chances of hitting scum but with guaranteed strong support in her + additional strong townies in the game I feel much better about hitting scum than I would otherwise.
Finally (and this one is a secret so don't tell anyone), it's not really the worst thing in the world if we don't hit scum Day 1. I'm hoping increased pressure means we generate a little more information then we would normally and if we fail we're a free kill for scum and a glorified VT which isn't the worst thing in the world while if we succeed scum is down very early and we're sitting with an investigation in our pockets.
@Jae:
Could you talk to me about your Radiant townread as well?
@itlepip:
"Aggressively bad" seems like you're overselling it pretty hard but if you have reasons beyond your early "I feel his mastina push is fake" stuff I'd be interested in hearing them.
In post 475, plantsy wrote:JaeReed instead of fake gamesolving around a narrative where I am scumbuds with FA, why don't you do any actual scumhunting and express why you scumread either of us?
While you're at it feel free to explain why you seem so convinced that we're teamed and yet are calling for votes Leonshade for as yet unstated reasons.
At this point? No.
I'll talk to my townreads about our reads and try to hash it out with them.
I'm not bowing to a scumread blatantly shade throwing and attempting to discredit me.
As Creature would say:
Error. Your mislynch target is too town.
I'm pretty close to fading away so apologies if this post doesn't make any sense whatsoever but you're the closest thing I have to a significant scumread right now and I wanted to get some words down now that explained why at least a little bit. Right now, my major concern with you is that your focus is currently too narrow; this isn't a significant charge considering how young the game still is but where I'm hoping to see gamesolving I'm just seeing reads on select people. I'm also not really getting much out of your individual reads currently; I don't really see why you're townreading Mastina or Radiant at this point and I don't understand your pushes on plantsy and Leonshade and feel if you're town here the best way I'll be able to see it is by being let into your process just a little bit more if that makes sense.
And I'm only 6 pages away from being caught up and the end is so tantalizingly close but I need to find some way to recharge my batteries without sleeping before I'm able to both come back and make sense.
Oh I can give a little context to your concern there. Recently the four of us played a game at my homesite and nacho, Plotinus and I town read each other hard as hell and that was part of the reason we won that game in the end.
In post 646, Imperium wrote:Oh I can give a little context to your concern there. Recently the four of us played a game at my homesite and nacho, Plotinus and I town read each other hard as hell and that was part of the reason we won that game in the end.
I understood the context. I get getting along with players. But this is played up beyond reality and you guys both share reads that I not only disagree with I can't understand even the possibility of you guys holding. This is the first time I've ever played with Jae where I could confidently say yeah that slot's town and all of a sudden you're all scumreading them?
Plantsy is a hefty scumread independent of all that. And I have had a feeling since the start of the game that this was going to be a game where scum tried to block with each other so.
Well I don't have any reads yet and all I know is what nacho has talked to me about. I don't think nacho has any confident reads at this moment and is more trying to get his footing. Just give us some time please, I'm confident that when I start actually posting any concern about us will be gone, I just don't have the time to do that right now.
Um I don't know how not played up that can get. I gave you context for something I didn't think you understood. It's not about getting along, the force of our correct reads on each other and our town block is why town won in the end.
Plants saying that is town either hoping for that recreation or scum trying to manipulate us.
Plotinus, I am awake: I am sorry for falling asleep on you but I just couldn't take it anymore (don't even remember falling asleep!). I'm here if you need me but otherwise I'm probably going to spend a bit of time doing other things.
I personally think it would have been hilarious if I responded to the"you're not a gladiator" claims with gladiating the shit out of him but I thought his later responses regarding it seemed pretty genuine.
Jae, I'm more than happy with you as a townread now. I do think that my read on you looks similar to my read on you in Fractals (if I'm remembering correctly), but the scum indicative part of that read wasn't the initial piece (it was a reasonable read to provide based on not having enough information), but the fact that I didn't back off when there was more than enough reason to do so.
I can rehash my reasons for scumreading you initially if you'd like but if you're just looking to feel comfortable townreading us I'm pretty confident that'll happen later anyways.
In post 800, mastina wrote:Because I know when I've made town posts and when I've made scum posts and that post was just about the towniest thing I've said the whole fucking game.
In post 790, JaeReed wrote:Honestly? I wouldn't mind some direction on where to place my vote.
Ramicus's approach to us and our gladiator claim seems townier than not. It seems like an odd scenario for him to be scum and see someone claim a confirmable role and go "I don't think you're telling the truth; I think you're scum bookie" - not coming from the perspective of someone that knows we are town, especially when he has reasonable enough reasons for thinking so.
If Oversoul wants to townblock with Tammy and I then he needs to put a bit more work in. His interactions centered around mastina (and getting mad at her misread of him) seem vaguely genuine and thus town and there's nothing else that stands out but that's certainly not enough to hang a proper read on.
Leonshade's recent posting looked okay and his general posting is about keeping pace with what I'm expecting out of him.
I don't really have a read on RC. I think there are problems in his approach to FA that we now can't talk about and I think that he was pretty transparently hunting by association on FA in a lot of places (scumreads on us, plant + townread on you seemed almost entirely based on our respective stances on FA) which is sort of ridiculous in and of itself but I don't really have a good idea on his general approach in games since we don't tend to play much together at all. Titus being stubborn about a read isn't the most surprising thing in the world and I haven't made observations on when she does/when she doesn't provide wagon analysis.
People who I'd be comfortable voting/people who I'm heavily considering as scum right now are Creature, Oversoul, and Sly.
Don't really like Creature's "I'm just going to say that I'm bored and not do anything" approach to the game right now; I liked the same post mastina liked for the same reasons she liked it and so there's still a decent chance that he could be town, but my plan to dealing with him isn't "ignore him and hope he decides to care about the game eventually" (as Leonshade seems to be doing).
Expecting a lot more from Oversoul at this point; my memory of his typical play is that he looks pretty town when he puts his mind to it but he's nowhere there quite yet; would probably spend a little time digging into what stances he's given so far and seeing if he has any interesting thoughts that he just hasn't been sharing.
There are a couple stances and pushes Sly has made this game that have been ridiculous which isn't necessarily alignment indicative but there's typically an emotional edge around his posting centered around some of his scumreads and that tends to crop up when he's pushed so I'm waiting for that to happen. This is the lowest priority of the three since he seems to be the only one that will actually produce and do things on his own.
I have read a smattering of posts here or there, usually it's whatever is on the page when I'm lying down to go to bed. I've seen that Key claimed sora so we wouldn't gladiate him, which is very unfortunate because I don't think that nacho had him on his radar at all. Though we haven't really talked about the game at all because of how little I've read. I did see that slysly is informed neighbor. I would not put it past tth to make a scum informed neighbor, though I'm not saying he's definitely scum, but last summer in tth's gumball game scum were informed that a particular person was a particular character. Though I don't think that character was an IC. Anyway for him I'd say read the play not the role because it is something I could see happening. Also did slyly tell key that he knew who he was before it was outed? That would be nice to know.
Anyway I do know that nacho thought creature might be town but creature's insistence he's not getting mislynched this game kinda sounds a little too indignant for creature scum? I don't know, nacho was scum with creature in laundry mafia, so let him be the judge of creature's posts closer to this day.
ramcius also is probably just town for paranoia about sora (reminds me sort of of my townslip in team mafia) along with not realizing that gladiator is a confirmable role and that the bookie role almost definitely is not in use right now as there was no night zero.
In post 1195, Titus wrote:Tammy, I know you and Nacho are busy and I have no real authority behind my request but please suggest a gladiate pool with at least 3 names, even if it's total fiction or includes me. I think the game is too passive because no one fears death.
I would particularly request it meaningless.
I know gameflow is not my expertise but this flow reminds me of when I would get guilties in Wake's role madness.
Meaningless = reasonless.
If this happens, I'm sure it will be a thing that nacho does. And I know that he's not going to just gladiate someone without talking about it and making the intent known in advance. (Which is why key didn't need to claim, I don't think nacho was concerned about him and would have given him a chance to claim regardless).
I'm kinda tempted to just jump in and this point and not read but I know my ocd-ish nature won't let me do that for long.
In post 1479, Imperium wrote:So nacho was going to post here last night, but he fell asleep. I'm hoping he will be here tonight. I will hopefully be here tomorrow.
Nacho does have plans to catch up here tonight! Let's hope he stays awake
And I'm still hoping to start making actual appearances tomorrow/next day.
I'm going to start reading this game tonight. I'm about to crash though, so I will read until I fall asleep. I doubt I'll get all ~70 pages read tomorrow, but I'm hoping to get a good deal of it read. I'm going to keep as many thoughts to myself as I can, but apologies ahead of time if I quote something from way back or ask a question that's already been answered. If that does happen, feel free to ignore my question and I'll get to it when I get to it and if I need more clarification I'll ask again
In post 34, Oversoul wrote:Martina is literally always wrong about me every time. Every time.
are you playing from an iPhone?
This has literally nothing to do with the game, but lately whenever I've typed mastina on my phone or iPad it autocorrects it to martina. so irritating.
I'm only on page five and I rarely get anything out of the first 5-10 pages because most everything reads so fake to me. But I'll be more active in the game from here on out and I'm hoping to get at least half, if not more, of this game read today, so next time we're both on I should.
In post 173, itlepip wrote:Also this is in the very least against the spirit of the game, but if Mastina is alive and active around 5p-7p, voting for someone and then being active for the short period afterward to unvote if we get a votecount in the middle would tell us how many are alive. If you did a few 10-20 minute chunks, the chance of mafia voting is pretty low.
In post 1728, Leonshade wrote:Hi, Tammy! Have you read the game? I understand that Nacho is busy, but are you busy as well? Even if Nacho can't play, I'd like to know why you're not playing, either.
I said in sign ups that nacho would be driving this game, and in my first post here that I wouldn't be able to post for about the first half of day one as i was busy. I have time now, so I'm catching up now.
I'm in the process of reading now though. I'm on page 14, so I'm on track for finishing my goal of at least getting the game half read or more today.
I feel like I've said this a couple times already though
Ending the game of your nemesis is sweet regardless of alignment. It's just sweeter when you are town and they are scum.
Hello, Sly, is this amnesiac crumb? Cause we met twice already in Timeshifted and Surreptitious
scums can't PL, they know who's on their team. Sure you could argue that traitor is a thing and maybe some other possible mechanics, when scum don't know each other, but in here we know there are 4 scums, they know each other, so they can't PL, they can buss or try get ML, PL is a town thing
Actually it doesn't matter because he accused of us being the bookie too so he definitely read the op. I was considering Ramcius's post about Sora maybe being scum as a pretty strongly decent town slip because of not reading the opening post, but he knows there's four scum (it's the first thing in the opening post) and knows about bookie (it's in the last paragraph in opening post). Sora being town is the second line right beneath the four scum. So, he's read the whole thing; therefore, claiming that sora might still be scum is not a townslip in the way I had previously argued.
I was thinking it was along the lines of when I didn't read the "you know these people are in the game" role pms because I misread and thought they were sample role pms so I didn't care and didn't read them. But it's obvious he read it. Maybe he forgot, but it's definitely not the townslip that I thought it was.
I'm at the top of 24, but I need to take a break before I just start glazing over words while I read.
I'm keeping my thoughts to myself until I get to the halfway point at the very least, but I imagine I'll give some thoughts today and if I don't get completely caught up today then I will tomorrow.
Made it to my halfway goal! Don't think I'm staying awake much longer so I'll finish up and talk about more thoughts tomorrow.
I'm past the part when mastina starts to doubt her scum read on jaereed. Jae feels fine to me? I understand the flat point at the beginning. Jaereed just feels like they had an idea of how this game would go or how mastina and them would interact if they were both town. Sitting back and watching mastina's entrance without interacting especially when it's a tough day to get a read feels reasonable and not out of the ordinary. I've done observational analysis plenty of times. Jae then feels like they ended up getting confused and maybe a little frustrated at being scum read and maybe a bit disappointed that it's not going how they hoped?
Maybe none of that is accurate, but that's what it felt like was fraying around the edge of their posts through all of that. And it makes me feel like they're just town.
A great deal of my reads are still in formation mode. Things feel a little weird this game because it's in fracture mode, which is fine for me at the stage I'm at in the game but also a little weird because I wasn't here to experience it so drawing the circles isn't as easy right now. I think the key's sora claim is coming up soon, so maybe I'll start to see a shift with some coalescing soon.
In post 1790, JaeReed wrote:Why do you have imperium as almost certainly town?
Their role and the way you're using it + The early claim + I feel like with both heads prodging it is somewhat encouraging that Tammy's taking point + 597 felt towner than not. I like the tone in which Nacho talked about his reads. I don't have him as locktown (though nancy does) because I need more data; I feel like Nacho can go for a while without dropping the tells I have on him but he can't go forever without it and if he had more than that one spurt of posting eleven days ago then I'd be sure by now but I'm not.
+ some other things.
Okay thanks. I was worried about a theory I had where they claimed the gladiate to force a gamestate where no one is afraid of a lynch to make d1 worth less, but in going to respond to you with it just now I realized it's probably just paranoia because they haven't been here because it doesn't make sense in a world where they're not lurking and I don't think they would lurk strategically to this level for that theory to be correct.
Which means I'm still back at needing to reread and 70 pages or so is a lot for me. :/
I read this post this morning when I was very unpleasantly woken up briefly by Waffles coughing up a fur ball, and I really liked it. Two things. Heh Plotinus talks about liking that I'm taking point right now, really there is no easier way to tell we're just town. It's simply this easy. If I'm in a hydra with nacho and I'm taking point, we're town.
Other thing, I love this bit of paranoia here. I think it was sparked by an earlier suggestion that people weren't coalescing because they're not afraid of death and I think that's looney land theory; I think more likely this game just doesn't have a strong center that has developed to direct the game some. It's not my favorite position to take, but if I'm right on what is lacking this game, I'll try to give it some direction when I finish getting caught up, which should be today! But the reason why I liked the theory is that it's such a nice paranoid theory that isn't possibly something we could hope would happen. I've never seen a game just dissolve into worthlessness because someone claimed a gladiator role, and we could never possibly believe that it would.
When I talked to nacho this morning about this post and tried to find it to read it to him so he could fully experience the paranoia theory properly, his response was that I didn't need to read it to him and could paraphrase because you were his strongest town read, which surprised me a bit because I did not know that as we haven't really had much time to talk about this game and he's expressed his paranoia thoughts on people, but those are things that don't really make it into thread for him. Anyway I mention this to you because I think you got a really wrong impression of him early game. I think it was you that postulated that he was trying to break up an impending town block, which is something that I don't think either of us care about to even try to do as scum in the first place and is usually just the case of people being suspicious of people anyway, but yeah he had some suspicions on you based on entrance things early game which were quite heavily relieved by your interaction at the start of the game.
I also think you missed out on/didn't catch nacho sorting Plantsy, him asking why about the play style change or things he thought were out of the ordinary were him trying to sort that.
Anyway, I've seen you mention that you're town reading plantsy in part because she accused you of lying about something that as scum she would know you weren't lying about. Can you point that out to me? If it's in the spoiler, don't bother but if you could paraphrase that point to me, please do. Nacho says both of you are near confirmed town levels due to the emotional stuff and I'd like to lean on that but I'd really like a little more understanding of your read there. I'm not feeling as confident in that read as I'd like to.