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[nancy]

Ninth Votecount

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MMM - 4 (aronagrundy, massive, Lil Uzi Vert, Formerfish)

Lil Uzi Vert - 3 (MMM, gerryoat, EeveeLution Army)

LmkGuy - 3 (GreyICE, Bomberman, Tchill13)
gerryoat - 1 (LmkGuy)
Mulch - 1 (iDanyboy)

Not Voting - 1 (Mulch)

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

MMM is at L-3.

Day 1's deadline is Tuesday, July 11th, @ 1:30 PM PDT--(expired on 2017-07-11 16:35:36).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• MMM and Bomberman have requested replacement. Seeking now.
  
• nancy is picking up assistant mod duties. ♥
  

[Formerfish]

FYI whenever someone puts the loudest and clearest voice in the town as one of their only town reads (along with FormerFish for... some reason... (buddy) it's a bad sign

What did this mean though?

[Formerfish]

what the fuck happened while I was away?

[GreyICE]

FYI whenever someone puts the loudest and clearest voice in the town as one of their only town reads (along with FormerFish for... some reason... (buddy) it's a bad sign

What did this mean though?

Means that my confidence you're town is pretty low. One might say even non-existent.

It's really not helped by our only pertinent interaction being that you argue for MMM's lynch, I immediately unvote, and you tell me afterwards "I like what I see".

Doesn't feel like you thought that one out.

[EeveeLution Army]

what the fuck happened while I was away?

Alot

[nancy]

VC will be edited into the pagetop once Nexus grants me permissions and replacements will be done once I get the go-ahead from mastina. Sorry for the delays.

[Formerfish]

Yeah, you'd be right about that. I quickly read through your iso to the point where I would be current. I guess it would be more accurate to say that nothing in your first 6 posts seemed off to me. I suppose I should go back and do a full read though because it is apparent that I am missing big parts of this game right now. I can understand how that might make me appear right now, so before anything else I am going to reread.

[Tchill13]

i lied there is ppl i think that are scum in the everyone else, but it would really ruin what i think is gonna happen next

I mean it was pretty obvious where you were going.

is it a guilty conscious of yours? I wasn't, but this post strikes me as extremely odd. And something he feels he can be like "told u so!!"

Then you post this that way you have an out when I call you on it. I doubt you get lynched today there doesn't seem to be much interest in your lynch at this point but I think you're scum and this is where I'm sticking until I believe there's a better chance someone else is scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No.

Why is MMM's slot town? Why can't you or anyone else answer this?

His replace out felt genuine, and the push on him from FormerFish (especially to hammer without claim day 1) felt anything but.

Now who is scum? MMM, who got into an argument with you and replaced out. Bomberman, who got into an argument with you and replaced out. And in any case I don't want to hammer him without claim, that's fucking godawful play I'd expect from a child who had never played mafia (and not a particularly bright one at that). I'll be honest, I understand why both of them did it. Talking to you is like talking to a verbose wall.

If we're lynching for information, you have the post count and you're around to claim. Fucking fine by me if you insist we go that way. Or you can back off and let other players play the fucking game, asshole.

I'm not showing any signs because again, no one is giving me any reasons too. The reasons I've received outside of you claiming Fish was forcing a hammer without a claim is that his replace out read genuine. What does that even mean? Wait, don't answer, that was rhetorical.

Now let's recap my issues with MMM's slot. MMM votes for me because he believed my confidence earlier suggests that I'm scum who slipped. I asked him why town can't be so confident at that stage and the following is what occurred:

In 243, he doesn't answer. The only thing closely resembling an answer is his second point, which isn't even an answer really. It's just saying that it's very easy for scum to have a strong town read at that stage because they're informed. This clearly isn't an answer to why town can't be confident in a town at that stage.

In 256, he still doesn't answer the question. He points out that I didn't state a reason for town reading Mulch but just over a dozen posts ago, he read Mulch's play as town. All he says is that me town reading Mulch without showing why is unacceptable. This again does not tell me why town cannot be so confident at the early stages of the game.

I like to think that town would have a few reasons for their belief or at least tell me what exactly about Mulch's warrants a scum read. He didn't do either. Just kept repeating himself over and over again.

Now let's get into his spat with massive. So ELA had asked MMM if their is a particular reason why he was reading massive the way he did. He responds by saying that he has massive where he is because of a lack of content. This earns him a vote from massive.

If you go back to 228, you'll see that MMM is leaning scum on the players he has colored yellow. massive's name is colored. Now if we read 260, in which MMM lashes out at massive, he tries to say that his actual scum leans are the people at the bottom and not the names that was yellow. Anyone with a brain knows this is bullshit. The players he had in the middle that were colored were clearly important to him and were lean scum reads because he took the time to emphasis it, by coloring and pointing out that they're that way, because of his belief that scum do not want to attract any heat on them in RVS.

The issue with the entire exchange is, why was he lying? Why was he upset that he was he called out for leaning one way about a players alignment when he did exactly just that?

This brings me to his self-vote in 345. He says he's upset because people are making false accusations and for people not reading what he said in his posts. Who exactly was throwing out any false accusations? Who wasn't reading? He was leaning scum on massive for his lack of content and I clearly read what he said in his posts because I prodded him to answer my question about the confidence thing and replied to his relevant points. If you feel this is wrong please correct me but based on me and massive's interactions with him, there is no reason for him to have been so upset since he didn't elaborate when given the chance to and as evident by 402, the self-vote strongly looks like it was done to get the pressure off of him.
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I'm not attacking anyone for the record. I'm sharing theory and trying to get people to understand my thought process. You can't lynch me but even you manage to, if you're town you only open up another avenue for scum to push their agenda and achieve their win-con.

[nancy]

Seeking replacements for MMM and Bomberman.

[gerryoat]

Gerryoat's iso just seems like a mixture of trying to look town and trying to scum hunt the easiest way possible. I'll try to go into more detail soon.

Alright mulch thanks for the explanation I see how that's more towny than scum. Makes sense.

i lied there is ppl i think that are scum in the everyone else, but it would really ruin what i think is gonna happen next

I mean it was pretty obvious where you were going.

is it a guilty conscious of yours? I wasn't, but this post strikes me as extremely odd. And something he feels he can be like "told u so!!"

Then you post this that way you have an out when I call you on it. I doubt you get lynched today there doesn't seem to be much interest in your lynch at this point but I think you're scum and this is where I'm sticking until I believe there's a better chance someone else is scum.

please lynch this tomorrow when LUV flips scum and I die at night

[gerryoat]

says he can see how its more towny han scum. then suddenly. "THIS IS SCUM!!!"

[Mulch]

I like you Gerry

[Tchill13]

UNVOTE:

No what mulch said about you lining up lynches made sense and was towny. What I was getting caught up in seemed scummy to me. The whole "I told you so" thing. I think I'm wrong on this one though. I'd rather not lynch uzi. MMM replaced and that would have been my go to. So I'm not sure where to place my vote atm.

[Mulch]

Why thanks Tchill, I sure am glad I'm clearing things up for you.

@Tchill if you want to sheep me, I'll be doing some analysis tmrw and you can just follow me

[Tchill13]

I may go look for town motivated players instead of looking for scum motivated players.

[Mulch]

I may go look for town motivated players instead of looking for scum motivated players.

Don't you trust me enough to sheep me?

[Mulch]

I mean, I would love having a double vote

[Mulch]

But I guess you should probably SEE the analysis first

[Tchill13]

But I guess you should probably SEE the analysis first

Yeah that's the thing.

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