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Pretty sure you'll get my opinion on all of those things via reading the thread? If you want a short summary though I like a lot of your reasoning behind your early Tchill scum read and its a read I agree with very much.
I'm not sold on the MMM slot being scum, based on MMMs play himself and his replace out post I think that slot is very likely town, Chickadees recent posting hasn't really helped that at all though, find her push and reasoning on Mulch pretty cringe worthy. I think the stagnation of some of the voters on the MMM wagon that got on for some particularly skeevy reasoning and aren't players I town read is a serious concern.
I have a much smaller pool of players I'm confident are town than I'd normally have and that I'd like and a pretty small group of weak town reads too, pretty much a lot of slots I think are scum or that I'd not cry if they'd died in the night. None of this is particularly warming- Formerfish
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See, I dont get what you guys see in MMM in general and specifically the replace out. I am seeing the replace out in a much different way.
And yes, I could get the info from reading, but youre here and I'm here. I find I do much better at this when I have a sounding board, which is why I play well as a hydra.- Formerfish
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I agree with the town read on Mulch, he pinged me early on, but Ill admit my early game is all about making pushes where I can and seeing what people do in reaction to those pushes. When I push Mulch I liked the push back I got, and then he actually started to post. The gerry lovefest scares me a little because I can't figure out why gerry is going out of his way to say how town mulch is and that he is not getting lynched. Like I said before its like gerry is fighthing a one man war against a lynch no one is pushing for today.
"I think the stagnation of some of the voters on the MMM wagon that got on for some particularly skeevy reasoning and aren't players I town read is a serious concern."- this is a confusing sentence, can you clarify?
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I've gone into MMM and his replace out pretty extensively in my ISO, not really a topic I want to waste more time on personally.
Can understand the "Sounding board / hydra = easier" stance, much prefer playing inside hydra's or just talking about games with people when neither of us are in games myself but can't really comprehend why you haven't at least ISO'ed me before wanting to have this conversation as that'd lead towards a much smoother and easier interaction from both of our perspectives. I've given a reads list of most of my town and scum reads which can be found inside my first 4 ISO posts.
Don't really disagree in that I found the Mulch<->Gerry love of each other in the early game pretty hard to follow re; the sheer read strength but I've come around to them both being town individually and think it's more just a playstyle difference than anything else.
So lets look at the 4 current voters on the wagon [Arona, Massive, LUV and yourself]. Aronas pretty much solely focused on MMM inside his posts and has his vote dating back from #44 with him reaffirming his scum read there since and not really being very active. Massive voted MMM fairly early on too with reasoning that I really don't like, nor do I like his continued vote there or his defence of it. LUV's is probably one of the more reasonable votes but his lack of reassesment there and interaction with it despite him knowing the slot holder well isn't great? And your vote is from earlier too and while I've got a ~weakish town read on you, it's not one where I can say I relate to the read at all, nor do I think you're an up to date and active player. So when you look at the wagon composition I can easily see there being scum that are comfortable just parking themselves there. Hoping that explains it a little clearer.In post 1079, Formerfish wrote:"I think the stagnation of some of the voters on the MMM wagon that got on for some particularly skeevy reasoning and aren't players I town read is a serious concern."- this is a confusing sentence, can you clarify?- ReplacedIn
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You're completely missing the point here and I'm really not sure how. So, at that point in the game he has "people he thinks are town, people he thinks are mafia and people he doesn't have a read based on their play". Following so far? iDanny for instance was a town read of his, Gerry was a scum read. None of this is complicated. Then inside the "people he doesn't have a read based on their play" there's two groups of people - group 1) Which was at the time just Mulch, being people that have contributed a lot but he still hasn't got an idea on, and group 2) Which was the other three names, which was people he doesn't have a read on and he thinks haven't contributed thus fitting the scum archetype he considers to be a thing. You obviously belong in group 2).In post 1010, massive wrote:My point is, what's the threshold? How do I get lumped into "not enough posts so will call them as 'not wanting to be seen during RVS'" at nine posts and iDanyBoy gets a townread at ten posts? It's arbitrary and that's what I think stinks.
Want to run through this a little more, why do you think if the MMM slot is scum there'd be more scum vocally defending him then pushing him? Also um, the bolded here is aIn post 1010, massive wrote:I don't know. LUV probably steps up as he was the early counterwagon and, since, has been the most vocal pusher of MMM. From there I'd look at the active people who never voted MMM which looks like iDanyBoy, Tchill, Eevee and see if any of them were vocally shouting about MMM's innocence. You also probably go in that pile since you have been doing that, butI felt good about Gamma early onand Bomberman didn't make me feel any different.hugeconcern given Gamma has well, 0 posts inside the game so this kind of feels like you just making up reads.- ReplacedIn
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Okay, talk with me here; if you've got town reads on Chickadee & Tchill, or at least a "I'm not really sure" read on Tchill then who do you think the other two scum are outside of LMK? Some reasoning attached would be appreciated. Who in the game are your confident town reads? Reasoning also appreciated.In post 1018, Mulch wrote:Alrighty I'm ready to hammer someone and just get some associations.
Would rather not do Tchill Or chicadee, though, I think VVV
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Fair enough, if it becomes relevant again I can go back and reread.In post 1080, ReplacedIn wrote:I've gone into MMM and his replace out pretty extensively in my ISO, not really a topic I want to waste more time on personally.
I do that when I replace into games, and I thought I might give it a go here. I like to get someone talking to me and see what they say and then be able to go back. Its interesting to see who is willing to talk, what they want to talk about, and maybe what they arent talking about. Trust me, I will go back and read you at some point, dont worry so much about what youve written already, just talk to me here for a bit.Can understand the "Sounding board / hydra = easier" stance, much prefer playing inside hydra's or just talking about games with people when neither of us are in games myself but can't really comprehend why you haven't at least ISO'ed me before wanting to have this conversation as that'd lead towards a much smoother and easier interaction from both of our perspectives. I've given a reads list of most of my town and scum reads which can be found inside my first 4 ISO posts.
I get the "mindmeld" bullshit, its something my brother and I do too. What I don't get is the continued love from gerry to the point that mulch is becoming visably uncomfortable in the thread. (Mulch, you are safe man)Don't really disagree in that I found the Mulch<->Gerry love of each other in the early game pretty hard to follow re; the sheer read strength but I've come around to them both being town individually and think it's more just a playstyle difference than anything else.
No, that makes its quite clear. Its actually a great fucking point. I can concede that my read on MMM/Chick slot may be off. I just hate the jump to AtE that he made, and the comment about me needing to get over myself for pointing out my belief on his language choice. I suppose I can back off this line of inquiry for now.
So lets look at the 4 current voters on the wagon [Arona, Massive, LUV and yourself]. Aronas pretty much solely focused on MMM inside his posts and has his vote dating back from #44 with him reaffirming his scum read there since and not really being very active. Massive voted MMM fairly early on too with reasoning that I really don't like, nor do I like his continued vote there or his defence of it. LUV's is probably one of the more reasonable votes but his lack of reassesment there and interaction with it despite him knowing the slot holder well isn't great? And your vote is from earlier too and while I've got a ~weakish town read on you, it's not one where I can say I relate to the read at all, nor do I think you're an up to date and active player. So when you look at the wagon composition I can easily see there being scum that are comfortable just parking themselves there. Hoping that explains it a little clearer.In post 1079, Formerfish wrote:"I think the stagnation of some of the voters on the MMM wagon that got on for some particularly skeevy reasoning and aren't players I town read is a serious concern."- this is a confusing sentence, can you clarify?
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I'd kind of consider this L-2 really L-1 in that I think the second he gets put to L-1 there's a realistic chance that either Mulch hammers him or he self-hammers and not really wanting to end this day before hearing at least something from the LMK slot and from Arona. Don't think we need to run the day to deadline or anything like that but certainly some content from them before a hammer would be nice. And sure, if you want to just chat for a bit here before you actually finalise your reading that's fine. I just think I've gone over my reads on MMM & Tchill pretty extensively so far and not something I want to spend the time I can muster now doing. I'm happy to talk about other players though since strengthening/re-examining my reads there certainly would help.
My current ~townish pool is effectively GI, Gerryoat, iDanny, Mulch, yourself and the MMM slot with the Eeve slot possibly if Tchill is actually mafia.
In there I'd only really say I've got confidence in the GI, Gerryoat, Mulch and MMM reads? I can't actually translate my ~town thoughts~ on iDanny into actual words and reasoning and normally that's when I just drop the read so would like you to talk to me a bit about him if you've got time, Eeve too since outside of thinking Tchill-Eeve aren't aligned based on recent interactions I actually have a scumish read on her.
Also didn't get around to mentioning it earlier but I think the sheer speed at which GreyICE pulled up that meta comparison from Tchill (~12 minutes) and the accuracy of his reasoning points pretty strongly towards Grey actually having done a little bit of meta reading into Tchill when I'd pointed out he'd had two completed scum games and kind of think that's a decent indicator that Greys actually town here. Especially when combined with thinking his prior interaction with me came across as him genuinely attempting to analyse the game. Probably my most confident town read at the moment.- Formerfish
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We are on the same page with iDany and mulch. Grey I am going to need to do a more through read of.
Disagree on gerry, and feel iffy about eevee as well, which is weird cause i got some of my early reads based off peoples interactions there, but now I could see this slot as scum sometimes, so it makes me feel weird.
iDany seems to be saying a lot of the same things that I am when I am reading through. I guess with him its a little of what mulch was saying about mindmelding. Unless he is playing very well as scum he is having the same thoughts as me, and if we are seeing the same things then maybe other people are too and if other people are then maybe there is fire where there is smoke. His posts just feel right to me, and if he is scum then brafuckingvo man.
Eevee- i know i went back and forth in some of my earlier posts about this slot. Like I said, I used the interactions they had with some other people to base reads off of, but then found myself oscillating back and forth almost from post to post. I never figured out where i really feel there, but feel like from early interactions I would give a contingent townread.
The meta was the two posts that were the same from two different games, right? Yeah that was redic. I caught that at work and laughed out loud in the bathroom. I dont think anyone else was in there with me so its cool. Didnt mulch say he hammered tchill in the game he said that first?- Formerfish
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Yeah, your iDanny reasoning isn't too far away from where I'm at with him in that his posts, reads and reasoning look good for the most part. They're fakeable sure? But they're feeling natural, it's fairly weak reasoning and something I'd normally drop until I had something that strengthened it but it's about all I've got on him, wouldn't ask anyone to trust this read on him, I don't even trust it myself but I feel good enough about him that he's far from my lynch pool. Your read and reasoning on Eeve isn't too different from what I'm at either, I'm kind of just hoping a Tchill scum flip puts her into my town pool and I don't have to worry.
Wouldn't mind you talking a bit more about Gerry (Maybe do a quick ISO skim of him first, his posts are short) because I feel pretty happy with that read?
The meta was a post that Tchill made in this game v a post he made in a game as mafia before he was hammered and flipped scum, Mulch did hammer him.
I'm in a weirdish position with LUV in that I don't hate a lot of his posts, I can at least see where he's coming from a little with his original push on MMM but I think his lack of reassessment when where he's wrong on it has been pointed out has been underwhelming. Would expect him to interact with Chickadee a little more, think as town he'd be at least somewhat worried about mslynching her but I'm not really seeing that from his posts. I'd need to actually open up his ISO and try and see if I could follow his thought process and progressions on his reads to give you a better answer but he's overall fairly null?- Formerfish
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For me (in no order at all) itd be
Town/ish- iDany, mulch, massive (ive seen this as town from massive multiple times, if he isnt town itll show eventually) and replace (i actually liked bombers posts)
Null- Grey (i know how our interaction has looked so far, ill own that. My only defense is that I have been pretty fucked up for a few months now, literally and figuratively, and ive been high most of the times ive been reading, sometimes more than others.), eevee (i feel like a flip flopper here), lmk (playa needs to start playing, but i see hes been prodded and maybe have flaked so...), aron (I feel like I saw him in rvs, a little after, and then i have no clue where he went), luv (I have mixed feelings here that I need to sort)
Scum/my- gerry (cased), tchill (cased), mmm (cased, on hold)- Formerfish
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Little confused by your town read on Massive here, even ignoring meta I'm not sure how you look at him stating he town read Gamma (who had 0 posts) and come out with town. Want to try and briefly run by what you think of his here points towards him being town?
I'd say outside of that the only reads I'd disagree with is Grey (I think there's strong logic behind him being town but can understand someone being a little more hesitant to call a read here given he's got a solid scum game) and Gerry who I'd like to hear more about re; his recent stuff. But overall your reads match mine.- Formerfish
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I do have this, but its only going to cover the first 500 posts or so. I have a hard time isoing people like that because i lose context and get lost. This is a read that I was ok with being the only one in on for now.In post 1088, ReplacedIn wrote:Wouldn't mind you talking a bit more about Gerry (Maybe do a quick ISO skim of him first, his posts are short) because I feel pretty happy with that read?
In post 710, Formerfish wrote:
I don't agree with his view that RVS is useless, in fact I feel like people who dont partcipate do so for a reason, and its not usually a good one. I dont see it as a scum tell, but I will look at someone harder as a result.In post 483, Mulch wrote:BTW, why do you dislike Gerrygoat @FormerFish
Post #94, Gerry tries to call out iDany for previously voting Eevee in RVS then he called Tchill out for his actual vote on Eevee. The attack is disingenuous and forced. He later literally laughs at iDany when he pointed out the difference in the two votes. In #222 he goes as far to ask this "iDany why do you keep asking mundane questions without actual scumhunting?" Like, how does he not realize that iDany is hunting, just in a different way. Those "mundane" questions are setting a baseline that some people are going to have a hard time coming away from.
I expected to be able to poke holes in the wagon he started on Eevee, but I saw that he never pushed him at all, and then switched his vote to Bomber without much anything else inbetween.
#331/418- prodge posts.
#485- Buddying mulch again for some reason by further explaining why he see him as town.
I do like Gerry's point on Eevee in 486 though, that was a really weird comment.
His view on MMM is in direct opposition to mine, and I have to wonder if that is because I am wrong, or because he might be chainsawing me for attacking his buddy to get me to back off.
Ill put this here because I think that its ironic how hypocritical this post is from him. iDany has been attempting to scum hunt the way that he wants to, yet it is seem as bullshit, mundane questioning. ISO Gerry and you'll see a lot of what he said iDany is doing.In post 490, gerryoat wrote:In post 280, iDanyboy wrote:
Your read is wrong and biased. Change it.In post 277, Mulch wrote:
We mindmeldIn post 275, EeveeLution Army wrote:Wait Mulch why do you even townread gerryoat?
I personally don't see it.
Why do you think his read is wrong? All I've seen you do is post empty statements and questions, yet not give any reasons. If by the end of this reread, you haven't given any reasons, I'm likely voting you
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Hed be more in the townish pile, and its all based on meta.In post 1091, ReplacedIn wrote:Little confused by your town read on Massive here, even ignoring meta I'm not sure how you look at him stating he town read Gamma (who had 0 posts) and come out with town. Want to try and briefly run by what you think of his here points towards him being town?
I'd say outside of that the only reads I'd disagree with is Grey (I think there's strong logic behind him being town but can understand someone being a little more hesitant to call a read here given he's got a solid scum game) and Gerry who I'd like to hear more about re; his recent stuff. But overall your reads match mine.
You talking about 1010 where massive said this "I felt good about Gamma early on and Bomberman didn't make me feel any different."- aronagrundy
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