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why are your reads upside down

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This is quite possibly my best town performance I have ever done

Moz townreading Drum is on the same level as Dunnstral townreading Drum.

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Wow what an interesting and noteworthy turn of events

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This is quite possibly my best town performance I have ever done

Well, think about how I played last game, treading carefully and buddying and getting townreads. Look at my play this game.

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VOTE: Vaxkiller

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Nos whod you target last night and why

This is actually a really good question

Am I loony or is this a scumpost lol

Am I loony or is this a scumpost lol

Am I loony or is this a scumpost lol

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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You TR Drum right?

Yeah

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Sorry, I'm not too keen on entering a side conversation. Focus on the current lynch please.

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I'd lynch sling

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yeah

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If every living player (excluding Pim and Tywin Lannister) requests a Nightskip, we will start Day 3 without waiting for replacements.

@Mod why did the day start?

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^nevermind, tywin died and pim got replaced

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@Zach @Moz @Dun:

Literally: WHY DO YOU TOWNREAD DRUM

Who does Drum make sense as vedith's partner?

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agree with boon, if you were an easy mislynch youd be dead by now

I mean, you're still alive

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I thought there was a big argument about there for sure being scum in the pt. How come that hasn't been mentioned today?

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I thought there was a big argument about there for sure being scum in the pt. How come that hasn't been mentioned today?

Because Priscila is dead.

Right - and she flipped town. Doesn't actually answer the question or solve the dilemma

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Why would you think Gamma is scum after that lil' mini bandwagon on him?

awful reasoning

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why would mulch bus vedith that hard? He wouldn't be lynched otherwise

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mozamis is scum I think

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mozamis is scum I think

Yet you claim to townread Drum?

They're different people and there's nothing in the vedith associations to suggest that drum is scum while mozamis never really interacted with vedith

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I'm not voting drum and nobody can tie him to vedith

This is looking scum driven

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I retract

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we were pretty confident in our neighborhood being all town

is that why you shot a town neighbor?

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I don't make sense as scum with vedith

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objectively

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Keep confirming us town

Same symbols vedith likes to use so this is maybe caught on from the pt

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dunn scum pool please

Hold on

I may need to take a closer look at this game

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Why is nobody looking at vedith interactions?

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We should be trying to figure out his partners by the way he responded to others and the way others responded to him

I'll probably do that myself tomorrow, but his iso is 400 posts and really spammy, I'll probably mainly focus on his predecessors and other players reactions to them

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Are there dead chats on this site? I want a dead chat.

Yeah there usually are, but this game doesn't have one

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DUNNSTRAL

Hey buddy

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Boonskies is scum

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maybe if you like didn't lurk we'd have sway, Dunn

Hey don't pin this on me "lurking"

I'll chime in with contructive stuff when the likes of mulch have been removed from the game, there's no room for that otherwise

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Weren't sling and Moz calling him town too?

Sling and moz are scum

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We're killing 4 people I tr in a row

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maybe if you like didn't lurk we'd have sway, Dunn

Hey don't pin this on me "lurking"

I'll chime in with contructive stuff when the likes of mulch have been removed from the game, there's no room for that otherwise

Removed as in lynched?


Problem is they're both town imo

You're just not gonna play BC of them?


Why the fuck am I even posting in the thread then?

I mean, I can't change this course of events regardless

Sling and moz are scum. Gamma is scum. That's 3 scum

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ok g I'll be pushing my lynches

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Also apparently vedith was town? I thought he flipped mafia when I saw boon and mulch leading the lynch today

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This is quite possibly my best town performance I have ever done

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nosf isn't scum you guys are just kinda awful

pedit ok really fucking awful

if confs get left alive like this it's because you have townreads in scum players

the fact that you're continuing to push your conf bias means if you're wrong scum don't have to play the game to win. you don't care about any reads except your own and only reevaluate to suit your own reads. there's been 0 scum flips. you two dont seem to give a shit

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maybe if you like didn't lurk we'd have sway, Dunn

Stop hammering while I'm napping. FFS. Though I guess it is my fault...50% me 50% nature. It stormed here Saturday and I had trouble getting on Sunday and it was still laggy but a little better earlier so I ate then took a nap until I could try again.

At the same time I doubt there'a much I could have said or done. There were too many ppl that wanted Drum dead. Fykus tomorrow if Boon doesn't want to die.

I'll die.

Don't let Zach get away, Nero.

I don't even know if he wants to start chasing me

Lol, You are Nero's Drum, Zach.

I'm aware of this more than you may ever actually know lmfao

What am I

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Yeah I'm scum with moz and slingshot

good work

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use the strongman tonight

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The townreads on both Priscilla and I seem forced. I can't see why somebody would town read both of us tbh.

Uh, you were both town?

Note that all my scumreads are the rest of your scumreads so

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roleblock boonskies

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VOTE: Slingshotwaffles

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What's your opinion of Dunn?

Can you stop?

Don't even read mulch's posts. You should honestly block him if that's a problem. We're not listening to mulch today.

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moz is better today dunn

I'm more confident with slingshot

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VOTE: Mulch

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Ugh
This game is horrible
@Zach
Why do you TR Dunn?

I've been trying to direct the kills off the last 4 flipped town

Why are you focusing on me?

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I'm mafia that hard defended every town flip so far but town lynched and vigged them all without me anyway?

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VOTE: mozamis

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Nero cain might be mafia with moz and slingshot

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I think gamma was the vig shot

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I played in another game with mozamis and they were pretty strong town

They feel really week here

nero is on the sidelines and nobody is calling attention to him

slingshot is playing to what I've seen of his scum game

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Mah
I see a Moz scum
BUT I CAN SEE EVERYONE AS SCUM
GODDAMIT CREATURE WHAT KIND OF PLAYERLIST IS THIS

You should stop blaming other people and learn to take blame when necessary

You've goaded on every anti-town lynch and vig shot and you're pushing players who were against those

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Why would gamma be the vig shot

Kind of a scummy guy for scum to shoot. I think boon said he was considering gamma at one point

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but this playerlist hasn't helped

Really? because I'm getting accused of being mafia because my reads are too good and you're still trying to scope me out

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And he was on the Rhaz wagon

Nope

I was strongly against that lynch after the claim

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THE UNIVERSE IS EXPANDING AT A RATE OF OVER 4000 KM PER MINUTE, YET MOZAMIS HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO EXPAND HIS READS IN THE PAST 7 DAYS

Still relevant

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So why did you vote Rhaz?

They were scummy

and then they claimend 2-shot vigilante

and then I said I was against the lynch and unvoted while other people quicklynched him and let the cc live

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I would be voting you rn WhyMafia if you werne't an inno child.

we know

So Dunnstral, you are magically the best mafia player in the entire world that can know EVERY bad wagon is town and perfectly know ALL of the scum, huh?

I think this is quite the exaggeration

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And people are scumreading me for some reason,

probably because you're hard pushed multiple townlynches + vigshots in a row

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I actually need an answer, Dunnstral.

We can't all have what we want this game

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NO PERSON IS GOOD ENOUGH TO BE RIGHT on EVERY SINGLE LYNCH

So by that same logic, is any person bad enough to be wrong on every single lynch? What does that mean for your own alignment?

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Mulch you're vastly exaggerating my play this game

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no one is obv town art from boon and Why

Do you scumread me?

If you say yes I am immediately voting you.

Ouch be more scum

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juggling aggro like an mmo

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But i would much rather lynch fykus/waffles/dunn/ etc who are far more likely scum

Why am I scum to you?

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WHich one is scum tho

dichotamy

notice that moz disappeared without explaining why I'm magically in their lynch pool

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Mulch talking about hammering me before i have even had a chance to defend myself?
thanks for the scum claim.

Please answer why you scumread me.

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Whymafia mans up and leashes boon or we're lynching him

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vaxkiller is hard softing pr and wasn't shot by scum

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Nos+fykus confirmed scum.

No they aren't

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Whymafia mans up and leashes boon or we're lynching him

I'm confirmed not Mafia. even if you think I'm SK, we aren't lynching me until Mafia has flipped.

You're going to lose this game for town

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We're not follow Boonskies/Mulch

Whymafia it's time to man up and take charge. If boonskies ever shoots at another townie on his own I'm voting him for the rest of the game

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Isn't nosferatu one of 3 claimed town power roles? in a 20 or so player game (besides neighbors)

Come on

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VOTE: Boonskies

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who was shooting Fykus.

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Except he also said he might shoot at gamma, right?

And that ended up being the scum kill

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This day isn't over

Vaxkiller needs to claim and people are letting him slide literal weeks after he was supposed to have massclaimed

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The scum kill points toward a Fykus/Nos mislynch.

how

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WHY DID BOON NOT HIT YOU THEN ZACH

There can be a roleblocker without it being nosferatu

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Zach I don't get why nosferatu would be "joking"

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Except nosferatu isn't the only potential roleblocker in the game

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There was no reason for him to jail Zach as town.

If I was a doctor I would have protected zach last night

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You should be shooting in slingshotwaffles/nero cain/vaxkiller

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I think that I will be nightkilled eventaully anyway

nope

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Every time you post this game gets a little bit harder for town

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@mulch

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VOTE: Mozamis

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@mod Mulch has 1359 posts while peregrinveV has 46. I do not think either of these numbers are acceptable relative to the game average, and it would be nice if these two posting anomalies at least got a heads up

edit: Mulch has 1362 posts now

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What's that supposed to mean

If I were modding this game you would have received a warning for spamming

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Yes but they are all quality posts.

Not by a long shot

I'll do you a favor and objectively calculate this

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I put every living players posts into a calculator. I included gamma emerald and drumbeats because it's only been a few hours since they've been dead and the game has been unlocked. For vaxkiller I combined every player in that slots posts together

Here is what I got:



So no, I'm not biased; you're objectively an extreme outlier in posts, EVEN WITH your buddy boon spamming alongside you

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Same data, but with Mulch removed. Shows that Boon is also actually spamming.

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this is the same thing as before so it shouldn't matter.

But I didn't say it didn't matter.

And yes, you were posting at about that rate to push your lynch on vedith through.

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I'm not going to get bullied out of mathmatical data

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Going to be a busy long weekend guys,

V/LA until May 30th

This is peregrinev 10 posts ago

the latter 6500 posts he's posted 9 times in

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I included gamma and drum who had just died to be fair

If I included players who died too early it would be unfairly skewed; I could have maybe went back 1 cycle further and include those guys

Here's the thing; when I include more numbers in the 400 range, it doesn't make your/mulch look better. You become even more of an outlier.

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I included gamma and drum who had just died to be fair

If I included players who died too early it would be unfairly skewed; I could have maybe went back 1 cycle further and include those guys

Here's the thing; when I include more numbers in the 400 range, it doesn't make your/mulch look better. You become even more of an outlier.

Yeah, but you are just skewing it to what you want, so it doesn't matter.

I could skew it to make it lower for me too. Literally can change it and mold it into how you want it.

Here it is if I include every single player slot who was in this game and combined their players posts together:

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I'm going to pass that 3.0 mark.

If I remove Mulch from the math, you do.

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Nosferatu and Fykus confirmed scum together

Nos needs to claim his JK.

wowie you guys actually thought i wouldn't jk why

im actually insulted

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We confirmed that scum have no RB

Yeah this never happened. It kind of sounds like you're speaking from the position of an informed minority here whether the rb thing is true or false

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Nothing irritates me more than when you use arguments saying there has to be scum in vig claims and don't follow through when the first one flips town

and then say there's scum in the neighbors a nd don't follow through on that when one flips town

Like, it's established that you guys have been lying about your stances and thoughts in order to psuh lynches through. What's left is to figure out who is scum and who is town borderline gamethrowing

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What's your read on me

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so boon whod you target

zachstral

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I'd say even night doctors can't heal on night 3

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I'd say even night doctors can't heal on night 3

Of course, I was able to figure this out because I'm that much of a GOD at this game. I must be the best mafia player to ever live

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21 person game?

There's 5 scum

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i guess my reads must be a bit wrong since there is no way four scum would be on my wagon? Still think Fykus is scum, and Dunn very likely.
Maybe I'M WRONG ABOUT ZACH AND WAFFLES.

How about you answer the question I've asked you three or four times: why do you actuaqlly scumread me?

Because it looks like you're just copying what you've seen other people write and failed to realize that I'm not actually an easy mislynch that you can just push through by shouting.

You've continuously ignored my posts that have been less than 5 posts away from where you posted, and yet you're blaming 'spam'. No, you're either expressly ignoring my posts or you're not reading the game. Either way, you're scum here and your play is so different from what I saw in jungle oligarchy.

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Dunn

How did I go from being town to wordlessly being scum again?

oh right, I said you were spamming. Carry on then

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why is mulch not voting right now?

???

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what u obviopusly saw as the easiest myslynches

So you, instead of the 3 townies that got lynched before you that I didn't vote?

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Dunn steak what are you thinking here?

What? I'm not a piece of meat

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What do you think about the game

It sucks

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oi nosf how many jk shots you got left? (and how many did you start with?)

I am out of shots.

So why are you two discussing this?

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want me on Fykus or Dunn?

VOTE: Fykus

I'll also go Nosf.

Vote moz

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I'm town yet again

And you know it but you can't handle me getting 1 lynch through past your town lynches

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Zach is town

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Gg

Bussed moz all game and he lived

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wtf?

What

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Jk I'm town

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I'm pretty good with a Moz lynch.
VOTE: Moz

k you're scum

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VOTE: Zachstralkita

You played well this game. I honestly thought you were town this game and you did a pretty good job of getting me pocketed.

I've figured this game out now, though. Scum is Zachstralkita + PeregrineV. Mulch, Vaxkiller, and Nero Cain are all ignoring the obvious

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I fucking KNEW IT

No you didn't.

Nos and Dunnstral have buddied the ENTIRE game (with you too, but they pocketed you)

No I didn't, I've been trying to lynch him even after he claimed jk

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@Dunn thoughts on no lynching?

What are your thoughts on knowing we have 1 CONFIRMED scum and another very likely scum due to what we've learned due to flips?

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OK I'll spell it out for you

First off, I'd like to give a shoutout to WhyMafia for strongarming another town lynch by once again voting with mulch and Boonskies on who I said was town

Nosferatu is a rolestopper. Mafia probably don't have a roleblocker paired with that. Nosferatu was rolestopping Zachstral to protect him from the vig shot because they're scum together.

Whymafia, boonskies, and peregrinev all share the same neighborhood. Up until now, whymafia has been kept alive on account of nosferatu's jailkeep claim. Whym,afia likely finally manned up and took control of the shot. At the very least, he would have been discussing with Boonskies. If Peregrinev is scum, that means he knows that nosferatu is getting shot, allowing them to finally take out whymafia (also leaving peregrine as the only member of the neighborhood). The fact that Whymafia was killed tonight highly suggests that peregrinev is scum. Zach is almost confirmed scum.

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I'll have to rethink my read on Mozamis. It's already been established that Mulch is awful so I'll ignore his play so far into this day. Nero cain and Vaxkiller can't both be this dumb/clueless. One of them is likely scum

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Dunn, I don't get it lol

Nosferatu was a rolestopper

Something blocked a vig shot on zachstral

put two and two together; why was Nosferatu targeting Zachstralkita?

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VOTE: Moz

stop being dumb

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I take zero responsilbity for this loss

I chuckled

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nos blocked boonskiies

nope; he was a role

stopper

He has to target the person he's blocking. He doesn't roleblock them.

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He stops other people from affecting them with abilities; including kills

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So he did it to frame me

No, you don't understand

How could he know you were being targeted? That's a really random vig shot target to think of

From your point of view, that means Peregrinev is still scum and they must have discussed you being shot. But I don't buy that, I don't see why he would risk himself being lynched to stop a town death

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I still believe you over Dunnstral

How about you take a look at the facts instead?

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We have enough town, we could just lynch sling

Stop being obtuse

Also, did you claim your role?

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I'm heavily against nolynching

I still believe you over Dunnstral

How about you take a look at the facts instead?

The facts here don't eliminate an entire game of you being right EVERY SINGLE TIME

SO VOTE WHAT I'M VOTING

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Isoing whymafia I think he's slightly scummy

Isoing nosferatu and I disagree with a lot of what he's said and done

Seems legit. Just trying to get reasoning from people (because apparently this site doesn't always require it).

Just my thoughts

If Nosferatu posts more substantially I'll be able to look over his play more substantially as well

VOTE: Nosferatu

Forgot to bold

@mod if anti-town factions on the same team have power roles, are they allowed to submit actions for each other?

Why are you asking this in thread and not in PM?

Because I want the answer in thread and not in pm

Sorry, wrong people...getting confused. It's Drum and Boon

ok..........................

VOTE: nosferatu

Are yout elling me nosferatu is likely scum?

Wow, who could have predicted this outcome.

It's statistically improbable. Around ~30% chance.

I'll let you in on a secret


mods don't always randomize neighborhoods

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3 then

Yeah that's right

Keep hiding behind your "other games" that aren't relevent here

oi nosf how many jk shots you got left? (and how many did you start with?)

I am out of shots.

So why are you two discussing this?

This is to counter Mulch saying I've been buddying Nosferatu all game when that never happened and I've actually been pushing him and against him

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I'm heavily against nolynching

I still believe you over Dunnstral

How about you take a look at the facts instead?

The facts here don't eliminate an entire game of you being right EVERY SINGLE TIME

SO VOTE WHAT I'M VOTING

Did you really just tell me to place 2 votes on someone when you yourself called someone scum for posting 2 votes on someone?

More like I called him scum for ignoring the rolestopper flip + whymafia death and going onto mozamis which is what zach's been pushing

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I'm certain PeregrineV is scum too and we need to lynch them next

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Mulch, stop trying to lead a lynch. Even if it's a nolynch. Just stop. It's time to reanalyze the game for you.

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I never told you to lead a lynch

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You may target one player per night. You will cause any action that targets this player to fail

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I'm town I doubt Nos knew I would be targeted

So you think mafia has a rolestopper AND a roleblocker to counter the vigs?

I don't think that's likely.

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I wasnt sure about Mulch yesterday, but im sure of him today. I'm on his side on this, can anyone actually mechanically prove that we would be worse off from no lynching?

Town loses the game if I get nightkilled

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Zach can you offer up an alternate theory to what happened, then?

What stopped the kill on you?

You're speculating nos targeted me knowing I would be shot


Which is impossible

No it isn't. Because peregrinev is scum as well and knew you'd be targeted.

And even if that isn't true, he's clearly going to target one of his scum partners anyway

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Mulch calling other people dumb when he didn't notice anything I'm saying either and voted me then nolynch

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Woulden't he have at least said by the end of the day if he had lied, though?

he says later that he targeted zach for sure

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Zach how is it possible for you to not be scum, though?

VOTE: Peregrinev

I'll humor you for a bit; this is definitely scum in any scenario

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Reminder that we're not supposed to be following Mulch

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Zach you really sound like you're town but I find it hard to ignore that the mechanical side seems to say you are scum

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gg

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Huge mod error btw - don't blame me for my push on zach. Somebody should have told boonskies his kill never went through because that honestly affected a lot and made me scumread 2 townies

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I wasn't hyper because with you being shot but not dying things changed completely - it made PV scum and you likely scum as well

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That's only for PV tho

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Mulch was freaking ridiculously obvious scum

Lol

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You voted with him all game
And pushed what he was pushing too

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The mod error did affect the game, although it would have probably made it an even more flawless scum victory.

If Boonskiies had killed Zach, they would not suspect Nosferatu if Nosferatu claimed to jail WhyMafia. It's thus likely that Nosferatu would not be shot.

Boonskiies, would you still have shot Nosferatu if Zach died?

So you're saying the mod error affected the game - why are mods so against telling people what is going on?
Somebody should have told boonskies that his shot failed

I cannot stress this enough: mod errors like this mechanically paint players as the wrong alignment. This is a big deal and it should never happen and remain unnannounced