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Post Post #2000 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:31 am

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Vote Count 3.2

Vedith (4): Cheetory6, gigabyteTroubadour, CCC, MuttonChopMagic
Hiraki (1): Vedith

Not Voting (5): Hiraki, Grendel, NotTheRealPaul, kraska77, Backhand


With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is at 7:00 PM PST on Wenesday, July 12, in (expired on 2017-07-12 19:00:00).
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Post Post #2001 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:11 am

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In post 1999, CCC wrote:
In post 1992, Hiraki wrote:no no no - im gonna be stubborn here

CCC votes Vedith and asks for explanation before voting - how does that get a pass?
I don't see what you're getting at here. Yes, I am voting Vedith. Would you like me to present my case on him?
No - that's not the point. If he's scum, why do you want his explanation?

I'm also not satisfied enough to put down a vote on Vedith at the moment. I know I'm tunneling but I don't think I'm doing it obtrusively at this point.
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Post Post #2002 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:12 am

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Hiraki knows my flip means he's lynched tomorrow so he's trying to lynch CCC instead.
I claim scum \o/
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Post Post #2003 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:14 am

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I think my lynch is inevitable, honestly. Your lynch doesn't delay it.
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Post Post #2004 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:16 am

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Like I'm not gonna sit here and say that there are not tangible reasons for advocating for my lynch - they aren't bad ones either. My read on Nero was wrong even though there still hasn't been tangible reasoning brought to the table (at least before Gigabyte) and half of the votes are sheep as fuck. I 100% disagree with the comments that it was a full town wagon and the signs for that are neon at this point.

The one thing I will do is make damn sure that people know where to go after they do lynch me.
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Post Post #2005 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:16 am

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I've already told them where to go.
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Post Post #2006 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:30 am

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hiraki i strongly disagree that CCC's posting wrt vedith is scum indicative but i'd rather have him explain his thoughts
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Post Post #2007 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:35 am

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Hey, GIgga... you missed my rainbow reads. You're voting in the wrong place.
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Post Post #2008 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:43 am

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explain the thought process that lead you to your rainbow reads
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Post Post #2009 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:45 am

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I dont get what you mean?
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Post Post #2010 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:52 am

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In post 1966, Vedith wrote:Interactions / VC / Logical reasoning
what were the interactions

what did the votecounts tell you

what is your logical reasoning
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Post Post #2011 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:53 am

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That Hiraki and Backhand are Scum...
Read my post it has everything there. Otherwise I don't get what you want?
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Post Post #2012 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:56 am

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In post 1950, Vedith wrote:
RAINBOW READS!!


kraska77

MuttonChopMagic

Cheetory6

CCC

gigabyteTroubadour

NotTheRealPaul

Grendel

Backhand

Hiraki


Okay guys...Here it is!
And before scum say that Implosion told me who scum are, no... I worked it out by myself.

Also, I'm a PR. A backup \o/

So, you can all start chanting my name now. I solved the game.

VOTE: Hiraki
bold me the interactions here

italicize the votecounts here

underline the logical reasoning here

pls + ty
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Post Post #2013 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:57 am

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Can I do it when at a PC?
Or do I have to do it now?
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Post Post #2014 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:01 am

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you can do it at a pc
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Post Post #2015 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:07 am

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Yay Gigga \o/
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Post Post #2016 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:25 pm

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Veeeeedith hurry up and explaiin
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Post Post #2017 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:00 pm

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it's like 5:00 am there and he probably has work

give him time :mad:
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Post Post #2018 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:17 pm

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Giga's push on Nero yesterday does not merit a town read.

Consider this:


1) Regardless which alignment Giga subbed into they would view Nero to be OB!scum, as that was a reason they subbed into this game.

2) All players with the exception of cheetroy that had meta experience with Nero were hard scum reading him D2, (Kasrka/Mutton/sling) That left little wiggle room as to what Giga would do/say as scum regarding Nero’s slot. Giga has established themselves as utilizing meta as a scum hunting tool frequently. Seeing Giga make a poor meta-analysis on Nero would have been a red flag for the conftown suspecting Nero. Especially Karska who has plenty of previous experience with Gigabyte.

3) Scum Giga gets finicky over their scum buddies. In a game I recently modded they reflexively wanted to bus Ginngie for a scummy lol hammer, and felt like nancy discarding the proposed play was incorrect. So Giga’s perception of their buddies scuminess is much stronger from Giga’s POV then towns, and thus the urge to bus is higher than the average player.

4) Giga themselves remarked that Nero has poor scum play. The cost of attempting to keep him around would not have been worth the effort needed to do so.

This off course doesn’t establish that Giga is scum, but it does establish that Giga would lynch Nero yesterday regardless their alignment. That I'm certain of.
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Post Post #2019 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:20 pm

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@Giga


You'll confirm what I'm saying above is true?
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Post Post #2020 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:23 pm

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Yup!
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Post Post #2021 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:24 pm

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I would try to compel myself to push waffles though

but nero would be bussed at some point
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Post Post #2022 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:42 pm

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In post 1995, CCC wrote:
In post 1983, Grendel wrote:I felt like I must have played rly incompetently but looking back. But it appears that my EoD Town reads are 4/5 thus far.
Statiscally speaking, that's... not
actually
all that impressive.

You had six Townreads, out of twelve players. (You -
might
very well still be Mafia yourself; but for the purposes of the below calculation, I shall assume that you are not; I shall also assume a scumsize of three Mafia players).

Now, if you take six players at random out of twelve (in which there are three Mafia) then you will include either zero, one, two, or three Mafia, with the remainder in the half you left behind. The odds of choosing one are the same as the odds of choosing two the odds of choosing three are equal to the odds of choosing zero. In other words, the odds of a randomly selected six players out of twelve containing no more than
one
Mafia are exactly 50%.

So, even
if
NTRP is also Town... you're not exactly doing significantly better than random chance, here. (And if NTRP is scum - which admittedly is not looking all that likely - a random selection of six "townies" on Day One has a 50% chance of guessing at least as well as you).
...except you're not taking into account the D1 reads are often _worse_ then if all the reads where drawn from a random number generator. Breaking even with your reads on this site means that you're playing decently. Last time I checked "decent" is better then "incompetent". Why did you feel a need to comment on this anyway?

If you wanna do maths do something that furthers the game state. Don't do something that distracts players from the game. :/
CCC wrote:
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In post 1986, Grendel wrote:I think that my tr on Giga might be misplaced, some things I noticed that bothered me yesterday/today. Some scum bussing scum rhetoric that I noticed.

I should be back later tonight to talk about it.
Cant wait for this.

Giga hardbus neto for towncred to win game? Was nero the only wagon D2?
Yes. (I don't think any other wagon managed to push to more than four posts over the entire day).
The disbelief you guys are voicing is the whole reason that scum will hard bus to win. Never totally write players off as town for leading a wagon on scum.
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Post Post #2023 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:48 pm

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gigabyteTroubadour wrote:Yup!
thank you
In post 2021, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:I would try to compel myself to push waffles though

but nero would be bussed at some point
But you said that you saw Waffles soft tracker...?

Why would you as scum push a player you thought was a power role?
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Post Post #2024 (ISO) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:53 pm

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because i can fish out his claim if right

he'd basically be the atrus in that he seemed pr-y but wasnt this game except he can get lynched
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