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Post Post #426 (isolation #0) » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:48 am

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So MMM is scum?

Hmmm, do I commit a vote before even reading the rest of the thread? Well you only live once.

Actually I've been shot like 20 times playing mafia maybe that doesn't apply.

Vote: MMM
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Post Post #429 (isolation #1) » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:20 am

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Mmmm, what good does a vote sitting around do, I ask you? Just means I'm not playing mafia.

I suppose I could park my vote on people because I don't think they're playing well. Then if they're scum I win and if they're town I can complain that they're the ones responsible for the town lynch. And if I do that all game well then at least the town loss wouldn't be my fault. But I decided to play differently this game.
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Post Post #439 (isolation #2) » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:34 pm

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In post 431, Tchill13 wrote:What has MMM done that's more scummier than Lil uzi asking to end the day early?
Is there an arbitrary amount of time we must wait before lynching scum? When are we allowe to vote "for realzy"?

My win condition wants me to lynch threats to the town. I didn't see anything in there about ensuring a minimum day length . Pretty sure if I lynch scum in 20 minutes they still die.
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Post Post #442 (isolation #3) » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:02 pm

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So this tchill guy is scum?

Am torn, on the one hand that is awesome on the other hand I don't have a bad vote and starting a wagon resembles work right now. And it's friday evening.
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Post Post #445 (isolation #4) » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:05 pm

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Why would I wish to ask you questions? Will it cause Mastina to send you a new role PM?
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Post Post #449 (isolation #5) » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:09 pm

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In post 448, Tchill13 wrote:Umm no? Seems like you implied you might push me as scum. If there was anything I could do to help you with a read on my slot I'm all ears.
If I think any of your behavior or points are unclear I'll ask you about it.

Right now I think they're very clear. I don't think they're very town. If I decide to push you you'll learn about it.
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Post Post #452 (isolation #6) » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:18 pm

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Hmmm. Perhaps I do have a question. Why is "wanting to end the day" scummy? I said I don't think it is and you dropped it. But it doesn't seem like the sort of thing you just run out there.

Tell me what about the sentiment Uzi expressed made you vote for him over MMM
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Post Post #456 (isolation #7) » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:39 pm

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In post 453, Tchill13 wrote:I explained that when In the post I voted gerryoat. I personally don't care if day 1 is long or not. On this site I've been told it's scummy to want to end it quickly because there's less information and a greater chance of a mislynch. Which favors scum.
So it's hearsay that it's scummy and you don't care either way.
In post 431, Tchill13 wrote:What has MMM done that's more scummier than Lil uzi asking to end the day early?
But you are curious what MMM has done that it's scummier
In post 440, Tchill13 wrote:Scum lean:
MMM (I read the iso and the whole thing felt scummy to me, can go into more detail of needed)
But when you read his ISO it's scummy. But you don't feel especially willing to vote for him, even if you don't care one way or another if the day ends. Did I miss anything?
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Post Post #478 (isolation #8) » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:09 am

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Mmmmm

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Post Post #532 (isolation #9) » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:28 pm

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I'm kind of curious Uzi, since I recognize you from the spam thread. Do you actually believe that there's very little info to be gained from day 1, or are you just trolling? Because it would seem to me that someone who posts so copiously would have some sort of motivation for doing so.
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Post Post #534 (isolation #10) » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:36 pm

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You don't resemble Uzi. But since you're answering questions:
In post 175, EeveeLution Army wrote:Hmm i think i want to hear from formerfish about this lynch before i make my next move here.
What did you want to hear from Formerfish and how did it satisfy you?
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Post Post #543 (isolation #11) » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:40 pm

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In post 537, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 532, GreyICE wrote:I'm kind of curious Uzi, since I recognize you from the spam thread. Do you actually believe that there's very little info to be gained from day 1, or are you just trolling? Because it would seem to me that someone who posts so copiously would have some sort of motivation for doing so.
I never said there isn't any info to be gained on Day 1. How did you get not finding Day 1 useful from wanting to end the day early?

I personally find Day 1 useful for analyzing behavior early on and voting patterns but only after we've had a scum flip.
Okay, that makes sense. I got that from: "ELA, we aren't going to solve the game Day 1. At most I will give this day until Tuesday but I really don't see a reason to contiune at this point."

But your reasons make sense. I'll tentatively buy it.
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Post Post #544 (isolation #12) » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:41 pm

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In post 536, EeveeLution Army wrote:Me and former had a bit of a back and forth back then and i explained why i specified him. I can't remember if he specifically answered it but i felt satisfied with his posts after that one.
So specifically you like FormerFish's push to lynch MMM on the previous few pages?
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Post Post #612 (isolation #13) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:24 am

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Hey guys I have an idea. MMM isn't here. I'm not going to vote a person who isn't here without some PR nonsense and we don't have that.

I'd also like to offer an idea. The more people post, the more likely they are to post something scummy. That doesn't mean that scum never post lots or town are never mostly silent, but holy shit does it mean that some of you need to chill on each other. Your noise provides nothing but a forest for scum to hide in.

I'd also like to submit something for consideration:

Vote: LMKGuy


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Post Post #615 (isolation #14) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:30 am

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Even if it does, there are still two other scum.
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Post Post #617 (isolation #15) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:32 am

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And if he's a town power role?

You don't fucking hammer day 1 with no claim. So he's replaced out, he's not going to claim. Do we just sit here with our dicks in our hands when I'm not even sure he's the day's lynch?
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Post Post #625 (isolation #16) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:38 am

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In post 336, LmkGuy wrote:Right! Well that happened quickly! Apologies for the afk, long story short Thursdays = busy af and today was report writing day (im a teacher).

Onto the good stuff:
I have read through the thread and my initial reactions are:
Mastina: coolest mod. Makes shit so organised and easy!

Seriously though, there has been a fair amount of posting so going to do my best to address what I can. If i miss anything just hmu

Arona: Nuffin to say, hasn't posted in the last 2 days.
Gerry: Pretty useless posting, troll votes on mod, silly statements, but to be fair to him, most of these were start game stuff and he has promised to catch up. Verdict still out
Bomber: I like his early comments but the stuff about his gameplay/style irks me. It seems like an attempt to distance himself and be able to use this as an excuse to back up or withdraw from comments he has/will make. He has done a bit of pushing and resisting to comments made, which I like. I feel like as scum, he could have buddied with Mulch without too much suspicion, rather than "poking the beast" so to say. This doesn't make him town, but i will hold my verdict until he reveals to use his magical play style that he has been training off site for all these years ;)
Danny: His posts are wierd. Idk just from re reading his ISO I can't really get a clear idea from him. He has posted throughout the last two days, but hasnt really contributed to any of the major ideas being thrown out there. Seems to be more focused on himself and trying to keep a low profile, whilst still being active.
Mulch: obviously the big dog in town. He has thrown himself right out there and is doing his best to scum hunt (or at least put on a show of doing so). I'm weary of him as his play style is very similar to the last scum team I versed. Basically go out guns blazing, try get as many people to lock you as town and go from there. For the time being I guess he is my strongest Townlean, not because of what he is saying, but rather the way others are reacting to him.
Fish: Very early buddy attempts with Mulch. The way the game has progressed, I highly doubt both of these guys are scum. IMO either one is scum (therefore other is town) or they are both town. I feel as though Fish is focusing on the content of posts and using this to inform his votes/opinions, which I really like.
Uzi: His early game is an attempt to blend in, his mid posts are all focused on him and then his later posts seem to be focused on moving attention away from himself. I don't really like this progression at all and it feels slightly scummy to me.
Tchill: Seems pretty neutral to me so far, just going with the flow, will have to see what he comes up with before I can make a serious judgement.
MMM: The wagon we have going so far. His early posts seem genuine, but not the biggest fan of his mid/later posts. He seems to be employing a similar strategy to what i mentioned about Mulch, and at the moment it seems like a bit of a dick measuring contest between Mulch and MMM. Do I think he is scum? Maybe, but not my strongest scum read at the momment.
Massive: Okay Mr "low-content poster as both alignments". I don't mind if this is the case, but would like an insight from you here. I do believe post count is NAI, but so far don't have too much from you, so would love to see more.

Right that covers my reads list so far. Will make sure I stay on top of the game from here on out. Like I said, let me know if you have any questions.


Also can I draw attention to this enormous fucking waste of time? I'll summarize it to show why:

Arona
: Null
Gerry
(person his vote is on): Null
Bomber
: Null
Danny
: Null/scummy
Mulch
: Most active and strongly opinionated player. Town obv.
Fish
: Town
Uzi
: scummy
Tchill
: Null
MMM
: Scummy
Massive
: Null

WHAT A GREAT LIST

Oh he's not voting either player he thinks is scummy,
despite saying several posters need more attention paid to them because he thinks they're coasting


There isn't town thought here, just words he thinks are townie-sounding.
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Post Post #628 (isolation #17) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:41 am

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Okay and? I'm not ignoring you, I've read through the thread. I think you were dead on.

I think ELA and Gerry are both town for the record, but I'm not sitting here and saying their play is optimal.
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Post Post #629 (isolation #18) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:41 am

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ETA: The above was to Uzi
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Post Post #632 (isolation #19) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:47 am

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That will sort itself out eventually. LMK is scummy. Want to vote him with me?
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Post Post #681 (isolation #20) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:34 am

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In post 673, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:What's the case on LMK? Bad readlist? He didn't vote a scum read?

Why is the latter more scummy than MMM refusing to make him so clear or explain himself when further asked and his reasoning for self-vote?

1) Apologizes for lurking with excuse. Returns to lurking. He's trying not to look bad very hard
2) Goes with 1. Provides something that resembles content, except it... lacks content. And he does nothing with it.
3) Points at lots of people, doesn't bother to do anything with vote. Leaves it totally open where he's going to go.
4) He has an intro post, an RVS post with no reasoning, a semi-RVS vote after RVS was over, and that fucking read list.

I mean he also has four posts so yeah I think I'm willing to give MMM a little more credit because as I said the more posts you make the more stuff you will do that someone will find scummy.

FYI Bomberman's replace out was a lot more null than MMM's. Not that I think it necessarily means he's scum, and he's not faking the frustration in the least. But I don't get town vibes.
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Post Post #682 (isolation #21) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:37 am

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FYI whenever someone puts the loudest and clearest voice in the town as one of their only town reads (along with FormerFish for... some reason... (buddy) it's a bad sign
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Post Post #689 (isolation #22) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:58 am

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In post 685, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:So lurking and effort which is NAI?

I found his read list reasonable for that point of the game by the way.
In post 687, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Grey I like to think you know you're pushing NAI things off off a very small sample size.
This is interesting, because when I originally said why I voted LMK you had this to say:
In post 626, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I pointed that out and got ignored by ELA and Gerry :lol:

Now you're deflecting for him.
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Post Post #691 (isolation #23) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:09 am

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In post 690, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I don't see why your case on him is better than the cases on MMM.
That's a great deal different than claiming I have no case at all.

You're waffling here.
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Post Post #697 (isolation #24) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:17 am

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In post 692, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I didn't claim you have no case? I said it's based NAI things.
Yes, you said it was based on things that don't indicate alignment.

Take a break from spamming the thread, go sit down and think about the game. You're living in a tunnel and it's not healthy. I'm telling you, player to player, if you keep this shit up you'll get lynched and I won't even say that's anti-town. Even though I think you're town. Everyone who disagrees with you is not scum and if you continue to act like this you're a huge liability.
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Post Post #702 (isolation #25) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:24 am

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In post 698, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:No.

Why is MMM's slot town? Why can't you or anyone else answer this?
His replace out felt genuine, and the push on him from FormerFish (especially to hammer without claim day 1) felt anything but.

Now who is scum? MMM, who got into an argument with you and replaced out. Bomberman, who got into an argument with you and replaced out. And in any case I don't want to hammer him without claim, that's fucking godawful play I'd expect from a child who had never played mafia (and not a particularly bright one at that). I'll be honest, I understand why both of them did it. Talking to you is like talking to a verbose wall.

If we're lynching for information, you have the post count and you're around to claim. Fucking fine by me if you insist we go that way. Or you can back off and let other players play the fucking game, asshole.
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Post Post #708 (isolation #26) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:51 am

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In post 704, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm not a wall. I asked that question various times and kept getting no response. I got one and it doesn't really make me reconsider. I'd like to know why are suddenly focused on a PR claim and why are you implying they invalidate reasons for why he's scum read.
You're a wall because you show no sign that you change your opinion based on what others say. You're a wall because if anyone dares have an opinion that disagrees with you you show up to yell at them.

Want some fun math, Uzi? There are 13 players in the game. That means there are 91 different 2 person interactions, most of which would give us significant information. By spamming the thread like this, by attacking everyone who is trying to play mafia in a way you don't approve of, by insisting that anyone who doesn't do exactly what you want is playing wrong, you are cutting that down to 12 - how anyone interacts with Uzi. Because that's the only thing you will let happen.

You think I can't lynch you? Lets suppose you're town. That means there's three scum who are happy to see you dead. I'd be voting you. That's four votes. You think there aren't three other townies who want to see you dead, Uzi? I don't think there's three townies who want you alive. Your best hope of living would be that the scum value you alive more than they value your death - and that's very tentative, because at the end of the day any lynch that isn't a scum lynch is pretty baller for them. And at this point, I'm veering dangerously close to just starting the death tunnel because this play is so unbelievably, unutterably anti-town that I'd swear to fucking christ you were a terrible lyncher if I didn't know that was non-normal.

So here's some advice. Shut up and let other people play for a bit. Go focus on other games. Go read other games. Hell, I dunno, go do something that isn't Mafiascum. Because holy fucking shit I don't even disagree that a lot of MMM's early posts were scummy and you're making me want to disagree with you just out of how fucking annoying you are.
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Post Post #717 (isolation #27) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:21 pm

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No love, FF?
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Post Post #723 (isolation #28) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:49 pm

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In post 720, Formerfish wrote:Hello Grey, I haven't gotten to where you replaced in yet. It was a bad idea to get high and put supernatural on in the background. I'm sure we'll butt heads soon.

And yes, he is def. doing that.
Dunno man, starting to feel like I'm that guy you ignore and shoot at night.
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Post Post #728 (isolation #29) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:05 pm

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In post 726, Formerfish wrote:
In post 682, GreyICE wrote:FYI whenever someone puts the loudest and clearest voice in the town as one of their only town reads (along with FormerFish for... some reason... (buddy) it's a bad sign
What did this mean though?
Means that my confidence you're town is pretty low. One might say even non-existent.

It's really not helped by our only pertinent interaction being that you argue for MMM's lynch, I immediately unvote, and you tell me afterwards "I like what I see".

Doesn't feel like you thought that one out.
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Post Post #763 (isolation #30) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:31 am

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Vote: Chickadee


It's a cold day in hell when I stay on a wagon where the only person who joins me is fucking Tchill
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Post Post #765 (isolation #31) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:36 am

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You could check the quicktopic and get back to me on who the other two are.
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Post Post #767 (isolation #32) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:51 am

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Couldn't you just do that before? It would save me some work convincing people.
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Post Post #901 (isolation #33) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:21 am

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In post 868, ReplacedIn wrote:@Grey, who's town here dude? Why are you voting the MMM slot again? I'd say there's minimum 1 scum inside Tchill/Evee,
possibly
two but there's a few small things that make me think they're not S/S, thoughts on that? Also if you know who I am keep it to yourself, please.
I have no idea at the moment, well a few, but I don't care to alt hunt.

Anyway thoughts currently are that tchill's slide onto LMK is like... disconcerting and weirdly positioned. If we assume the tchill slot is scum (good assumption) then why isn't he on the mmm wagon? Mmmm?

Would also lynch tchill because, well, he's scum.

Strong town is idany, Uzi, Eevee, Mulch. Anyone scumreading them is bad.
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Post Post #906 (isolation #34) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:33 am

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In post 903, Tchill13 wrote:I'm not on the MMM wagon because I'm not scum. I'm just really bad town on day 1.

What changes about days 2+ that make you "good town" on those days?
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Post Post #913 (isolation #35) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:51 am

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In post 908, ReplacedIn wrote:
In post 901, GreyICE wrote:Anyway thoughts currently are that tchill's slide onto LMK is like... disconcerting and weirdly positioned.
If we assume the tchill slot is scum (good assumption) then why isn't he on the mmm wagon? Mmmm?


Would also lynch tchill because, well, he's scum.

Strong town is idany, Uzi, Eevee, Mulch. Anyone scumreading them is bad.
Man, you're a better player than to actually believe the bolded here, "hmm, what scum motivation is there not to put someone to L-1 or join the leading wagon late on it". Like Tchill not voting MMM should have minimal impact on your read on MMM and doesn't change the fact that slot is town and there's lots of reasoning that should lead you towards that. Run me through the Evee town read please because apparently I'm bad. I'll also take words on your town read on iDanny because I'm getting sort of ~weak town feels~ from him but haven't been able to really lock that down.

Fine then he's newbie scum who somehow is really careful about late-joining wagons on town. With all the players in the game to vote for, he picks his scumbuddy? Remember, one of Massive/aronagrundy/LMK
must
be town (or at least non-mafia) if Tchill is scum. That vote super bad spooks me off the wagon.

Eevee is just town who doesn't have a clue and knows the first rule of being taken seriously is pretending you have all the clues in the world. Everything he posts reinforces this. Especially take the spat with Mulch, what sort of scumfuck starts a spat with Mulch here? Only way is if they're scumbuddies distancing.

Nah if anything the weakest read is Mulch:
In post 267, Mulch wrote:Your scumread on me is bullshit because I've been nothing but townie all day. My scumread on you is clouding your judgment.
Parse that post for a second. Mulch thinks Eevee is scum. Eevee says Mulch is scum. Mulch's reaction is "your scumread is bullshit".
Well of course it's bullshit if he's scum
.

Now as I said before the more people post the more scummy shit they post, and that goes double for anything that Mulch posts, but man Eevee is the wrong person to be questioning in that list.

iDany is town, and I'm not going to say why unless you're on enough crack you want to lynch him today.
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Post Post #914 (isolation #36) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:52 am

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In post 910, gerryoat wrote:LMKguy has 4 post, he could easily be lynchbait. Why do you wanna lynch him 4 posts into the game for him? When there is lynches that could likely be mafia and also give of partner tells
Do you really argue it's better to lynch active players?

Is this a thing?
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Post Post #926 (isolation #37) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:43 pm

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In post 916, Mulch wrote:Lol at people scumread me for stating a truth

:thinking:
So would Eevee have been scum faking a read, or town who is misreading you?

I think you like needling people far too much to care about internal consistency, but man.
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Post Post #927 (isolation #38) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:44 pm

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In post 922, gerryoat wrote:
In post 914, GreyICE wrote:
In post 910, gerryoat wrote:LMKguy has 4 post, he could easily be lynchbait. Why do you wanna lynch him 4 posts into the game for him? When there is lynches that could likely be mafia and also give of partner tells
Do you really argue it's better to lynch active players?

Is this a thing?
its better to lynch scummy players who are active than non scummy players who aren't active.

Browse back a few pages, this was laid out.
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Post Post #930 (isolation #39) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:48 pm

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Post Post #931 (isolation #40) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:52 pm

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In post 921, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 906, GreyICE wrote:
In post 903, Tchill13 wrote:I'm not on the MMM wagon because I'm not scum. I'm just really bad town on day 1.

What changes about days 2+ that make you "good town" on those days?
I don't become great or anything but there's an actual lynch and there's more hard evidence such as where votes were on the lynch.
Bam I flipped Chickadee she's scum. Look at that. Wow I'm a fucking magic man.

What did you just learn?
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Post Post #943 (isolation #41) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:20 pm

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In post 937, ReplacedIn wrote:¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Was kind of hoping GI would realise who I was and actually play this one properly but if everyone is going to play brainlessly then I really don't see the point of investing.
But instead I'm voting scum and that's awesome.

Like man send me some credit. If you want me to invest in you, invest in the game. I might even sheep you. But don't tell me about how I'm not investing enough with comments like this. Because MMM was scummy, I said so before I replaced out, and just because I'm not willing to lynch empty seats day 1 doesn't mean I've forgiven and forgotten.

Are you telling me you like anything in Chickadee's posts?
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Post Post #945 (isolation #42) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:22 pm

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*he replaced out
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Post Post #946 (isolation #43) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:22 pm

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In post 944, Mulch wrote:GreyIce do you still scumread me?
If you get vigged I won't cry about it.
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Post Post #949 (isolation #44) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:23 pm

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In post 947, Mulch wrote:Explain parts of me that are scummy.
I did this already. Last page. You didn't respond.

Do you understand why I wouldn't cry about your death now?
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Post Post #950 (isolation #45) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:24 pm

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Like "oh, someone shot Mulch. He was town. He was busy asking for it. I don't care."
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Post Post #951 (isolation #46) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:24 pm

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FYI vig, if you exist, please shoot LMK instead. Not that Mulch is necessarily a bad shot, but just please.
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Post Post #973 (isolation #47) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:53 pm

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In post 954, Mulch wrote:
In post 949, GreyICE wrote:
In post 947, Mulch wrote:Explain parts of me that are scummy.
I did this already. Last page. You didn't respond.

Do you understand why I wouldn't cry about your death now?
Nope. And if your talking about that one interaction with someone when I said I am confirmed town, I need more than that. I'm not responding to bullshit.
Nope. Lets make this simple. Can scum misread you?
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Post Post #978 (isolation #48) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:59 pm

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In post 974, Mulch wrote:Nope. They can fake misreading me.
So why the hell would you try to sell the person your vote is on that they're misreading you?

Jesus fucking christ that was scumtastic.
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Post Post #986 (isolation #49) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:33 pm

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In post 979, Mulch wrote:Now, how do you think I would KNOW 100% that someone is scum? Only scum know whether someone is town or scum 100%.

What do you know that I don't?
I know that you're an idiot. You seem oblivious to that fact.
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Post Post #988 (isolation #50) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:35 pm

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In post 982, ReplacedIn wrote:Don't really like Tchills reaction towards the scum reads and move towards Evee.

Also not really liking Grey's focus here but more in a 'he's better than that' than a 'that's scummy' way.
"Help, Grey isn't making the case I want to make!"

I keep saying, tell me why tchill is the better lynch than MMM/new girl. If I agree with you I switch.

Can we at least reach the point of agreement that MMM's posts were a scummy mess?
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Post Post #989 (isolation #51) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:38 pm

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In post 987, Mulch wrote:
In post 986, GreyICE wrote:
In post 979, Mulch wrote:Now, how do you think I would KNOW 100% that someone is scum? Only scum know whether someone is town or scum 100%.

What do you know that I don't?
I know that you're an idiot. You seem oblivious to that fact.
I'm not an idiot, I just don't take bullshit pushes.
I said I thought you were town you nitwit. I said your play was sloppy and egotistical and I believe that leads to you posting a lot of scummy things because you post them just for the sake of posting them with no level of thought given. And overall with someone who posts as often as you do you were guaranteed to have scummy shit in your ISO, but that still is enough to make you the weakest of my strong town reads.

If your ego can't handle the that level of criticism I recomment a different passtime.
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Post Post #991 (isolation #52) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:50 pm

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In post 243, MMM wrote:
In post 235, Lil Uzi Vert wrote: I think town here would ask me why I was still voting for someone who I thought was probably town at the time and why I'm still voting for them currently rather than push this narrative.
1. I didn't realise you still had your vote on Mulch.
2. If you're town, then instantly obvtowning Mulch in spite of his reasoning for most of his reads being flawed is wrong - even though I'll concede that his efforts in general read as town, putting that much confidence in him being town seems like something really easy for scum to do for town cred here.
3. If you turn out to be scum like I'm expecting, then there's little point in me asking why your vote is on anyone in particular anyway.
4. You're talking about catching town in RVS, and you say you're good at catching scum? That seems more like a deflection than anything else.
5. My scum reads aren't ordered that meticulously, they are merely on 3 different levels - townleans, null slots, scumleans. Having a list that is ordered
that well
at this point in the game with high confidence can't even come from town. The fact you're pointing at something minor like that to attempt to get attention off of yourself reads as scummy as well.
This is everything and the kitchen sink level of scumhunting. Like... Uzi points out "everything you said was pretty fucking wrong." MMM doesn't stop to reevaluate his fucking godawful case, he just damns the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

Now I'm not saying a few contradictions make you scum, but can we call out point 3 for a bit? "There's little point in me asking why this big point in my case makes no sense, because you're scum lol". It's just fucking bad, bad, bad posting.
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Post Post #992 (isolation #53) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:55 pm

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Now in the context of that, read this post:
In post 345, MMM wrote:I swear a fucklot more than the next guy because I get really frustrated when every single one of you is acting like a bunch of fucking retards by calling me scum based on pathetically false accusations and not actually dealing with what I am actually fucking talking about in my god damn posts. I came to this site in the first place because the play standard on PS was simply fucking awful but I certainly never expected it to be just as bad here. You, like massive, have not read the fucking context when you made your own accusation, and thus obviously your shitty statement about my intentions there is completely and utterly WRONG.

I could tell you to actually read the context and interpret it as what you're SUPPOSED to interpret, but clearly it's just a waste of time. Those on my wagon who are town are tunnelling and those who are scum are taking advantage of me being a really easy wagon. It doesn't really matter what I say, because neither are getting off any time soon, apparently, despite it being the obvious correct play, and I find it incredibly hard to believe that it's not already been done.

And on a final note... thank you guys so much for proving to me that I should just stop trying with this entire game. I thought the standards of play here would be higher than on PS, but apparently actually making your fucking cases will result in people calling you fake and scum for actually trying to accomplish shit without explaining either why I'm scum or why my case is apparently a totally fake narrative. No thank you, I'd rather just die on night 1 every fucking game so I don't have to deal with peoples' fucking bullshit.

VOTE: MMM

I'm gonna take a very wild guess and say that someone will assume that I've claimed scum for the second time now, and you know what, I don't even care at this point. After all you clearly all know so much better than me so surely you'll manage to find scum really easily after my mislynch. But whatever. I can't be fucked investing more time into this if I'm just gonna get blatantly ignored and misrepped by both town and scum.

Poke me if you're actually gonna read what I have to say. I'm done with talking into a fucking vacuum.

<<< User was given a warning for this post. >>>
Let's make this clear. He's bitching that Uzi is apparently doing the same thing to him that
he just did to Uzi.
In fact that he just LAUDED HIMSELF for doing to Uzi.

We can say a lack of self-awareness, but take it from an expert on fake rage - this does not read legit. This reads like anger that Uzi is "doing what he's doing, but it's working for Uzi."

Now I'm not going to sit here and defend tchill's towniness, because that's like defending Atlantis. I wouldn't be shocked if we had two scum wagons. But give me some fucking credit here.
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Post Post #994 (isolation #54) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:14 pm

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-_-

He's less town than Dany but that's only because Dany might as well have run up the "holy fuck I'm townman mctownpants" flag and he doesn't even know he did it (which is why it's convincing). I've been in games with scum cheeky enough to play like Mulch. Kind of doubt it though.
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Post Post #995 (isolation #55) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:15 pm

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Not amazed with the replace out either honestly. I've never been convinced by the idea that town replaces more often than scum, I think it's rather the reverse. And genuine emotion is not alignment indicative.
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Post Post #997 (isolation #56) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:27 pm

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Oh who cares about potential partners. Why are we even discussing mulch? I want to discuss people we're going to lynch not people we'd never lynch in a million years day 1.

So set aside your bias for a moment, because you know I'm not bad at this. Does Chickadee's posts really remind you of town?
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Post Post #999 (isolation #57) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:40 pm

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Ignoring the bs, would a good scum strategy be:

- Buddy strong players who have an emotional connection to
- Ignore strong players you don't have a hook in or read on yet
- Call out lurkers in a generic sense
- Vote the most plausible not-you wagon

I think that's really excellent scum play if you replace in in a bad spot.
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Post Post #1001 (isolation #58) » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:49 pm

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Hmmm.

Okay.

Vote: Tchill
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Post Post #1048 (isolation #59) » Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:30 pm

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In post 1047, Tchill13 wrote:Yeah that's understandable. I see what you're saying with the comprise I do agree with that. Is there anything I can explain to you that would help? I don't think Luv or chickadee will be lynched. It'll probably be me. That is a decent thing because we won't out any PR'S on day 1. Im not gonna be in favor of lynching town though.
Dude.
In post 1248, Tchill13 wrote:I'm just saying I'm not gonna scum read someone for something then do the same thing as scum. I got a little too caught up in hunting and I wasn't worried about looking towny. I was worried about hunting scum. So that added with the fact that boonskies is determined to lynch me since at worst its just a mislynch with no PR outs leaves me with very little to be able to say. I agree I look scummy and I can't make a scum case against boonskies because he makes a great point about not outing other PR's. I'm not gonna advocate my lynch because I refuse to advocate a townie lynch. Are there any slots that are definitely scum when I flip town?
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #60) » Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:34 pm

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I mean. It's practically the same post.
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Post Post #1163 (isolation #61) » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:31 am

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He's scum, end it plox
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Post Post #1166 (isolation #62) » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:34 am

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How on earth would that be a quickhammer
Like you've claimed, you self-vote, it's day 1, if you get hammered that's called good play.
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Post Post #1174 (isolation #63) » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:42 am

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Wait, what's the point of stating intent to hammer if there's a claim? Because we're trapped in a bad shonen anime and have to scream the name of our attacks?

"I WILL DEPLOY THE HAMMER!"

"DEPLOY: HAMMER!"

Fuck no.
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Post Post #1201 (isolation #64) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:32 pm

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Hello. I need everyone to participate in an exercise. It has two steps:

1) Post whether you used an action that might have roleblocked me last night
2) Do not comment as to why I might ask this.

I may have a reason, if you don't like it after then lynch me. It's start of day 2, you play this game.
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Post Post #1203 (isolation #65) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:35 pm

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Then Mulch gets lynched day 3.
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Post Post #1211 (isolation #66) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:06 pm

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Yes or no Chickadee, this is not optional time.
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Post Post #1212 (isolation #67) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:08 pm

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Oh you did it, Uzi didn't.

Yes or no Uzi.
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Post Post #1214 (isolation #68) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:09 pm

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Really. Has this site degraded to the point where anti town play is simply a given?
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Post Post #1216 (isolation #69) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:11 pm

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No, it doesn't stand. Everyone will answer, or they will be lynched. This is not an optional thing. This is how Mafia works.
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Post Post #1220 (isolation #70) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:14 pm

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See how that's not an answer, Uzi? That's not an answer.
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Post Post #1222 (isolation #71) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:17 pm

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Okay then, if I'm town Uzi is claiming scum. This is a 100% thing.
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Post Post #1224 (isolation #72) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:22 pm

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Uzi, your next post will contain one of two things, because if you don't do one you have done the other:

"I will state with 100% clarity that I do not share an alignment with GreyICE and that if he is town then I am scum"

or

an answer to my question.

Failure to do the latter is the former.
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Post Post #1235 (isolation #73) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:42 pm

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Okay, if I am town then Uzi is scum. This is his choice of play.

Please continue answering, for all other players.
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Post Post #1237 (isolation #74) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:44 pm

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I did not say Uzi would be lynched today. I am assuming your answer is "no" for the record.
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Post Post #1243 (isolation #75) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:45 pm

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Mmmm, that's everything important. I wouldn't believe anything else anyone said. I'm a 1-shot loyal neighborizer.

Guess who isn't in a quicktopic with me?

Vote: FormerFish
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Post Post #1245 (isolation #76) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:47 pm

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You fucked, son. You fucked
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Post Post #1247 (isolation #77) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:53 pm

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Somehow I believe that, given how overly complex Mastina loves to make things. But no, no way I'm making the two most likely people to get shot in the game Mason buddies, that's just fucking unbelievably bad play.

Now you were a loyal soldier yesterday and ran cover for the PR, but no fucking nonsense tomorrow if I'm dead. Chickadee and Uzi both need to die, that's a minimum of one scum flip. Game should be well in hand by then.
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Post Post #1252 (isolation #78) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:59 pm

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The "Loyal" modifier means if I target someone who isn't town I get roleblocked. If I target someone who is, I operate as normal. It's the "one non-explicitly normal role" I guess.
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Post Post #1254 (isolation #79) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:01 pm

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In post 1251, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Could go over why you town read again. It doesn't matter now since I got what I wanted and can verify it somewhat.

Please lynch MMM's slot tomorrow.
Oh no son, you made your bed and can lay in it. MMM's slot is Chickadee - the person voting with you. And you never even commented on it. There is so many reasons you get to die this game, it's hard to count.
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Post Post #1255 (isolation #80) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:02 pm

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In post 1253, Mulch wrote:
In post 1252, GreyICE wrote:The "Loyal" modifier means if I target someone who isn't town I get roleblocked. If I target someone who is, I operate as normal. It's the "one non-explicitly normal role" I guess.
SO your basically claiming a guilty on formerfish?
Oh yes. Very much so. It's only a fake guilty if someone roleblocked me. And FormerFish pulling the flat "no"... he's not so bad that he would do that. He knows something was up, and didn't know what, and reacted like a scumbutt. I didn't get roleblocked.

This is a town power role claiming a guilty.
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Post Post #1258 (isolation #81) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:06 pm

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Aren't you glad for no 25 page day 2? :lol:

Of course I bet you thought it might go differently.
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Post Post #1261 (isolation #82) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:11 pm

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In post 1259, Mulch wrote:
In post 1258, GreyICE wrote:Aren't you glad for no 25 page day 2? :lol:

Of course I bet you thought it might go differently.
Can you neighborize me tmrw plz :D
Convince Mastina to give me another shot and I will.
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Post Post #1266 (isolation #83) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:18 pm

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Well I'd say his posting on MMM "vote this guy and enter the night phase down a scum" is the classic day 1 bus. It's such a classic day 1 bus, especially combined with his subsequent backing off when the town did the predictable thing and didn't drive through a lynch on an empty slot, that well... I mean this is textbook here. Lynch bad scum and weak town.

If you'd had a better read on him I could have pushed it through legit, but eh, roles like this exist to be blown. If they shoot me they're shooting a VT, if they don't shoot me, well, they don't shoot ME.

For anyone reading, our friend the "mystery alt" is 100% town, I'd literally stake my account on it. And not in a Mastin/Mastin2 way.
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Post Post #1272 (isolation #84) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:33 pm

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Amazingly scum can soft too. It really doesn't matter. If you're town you shouldn't be softing on a day where the lynch is predetermined and most certainly not you. If you're scum, well... that's a damn good motive to set up your fakeclaim at this juncture.

Most likely the mod will be confirming my role, unless they decide to go hunting for active PRs or there's a protective role who wants to play outguess the scum.

I really should give a class on how to play town, simple things like "obey reasonable requests, lynch requester if reasons are nonsensical" is a good tip.
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Post Post #1275 (isolation #85) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:39 pm

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In post 1267, Mulch wrote:Which player would you take your account ?
Well apparently if I hand out the password that's very bad, so I suppose I shall consign it to the aether. It doesn't really matter, it won't happen.

Anyway, other reads now that I'm being serious and not trying to live through night 1. Wasn't joking on iDany, but he's not as strong as I gave on. He's still a town read, just not a strong one. Mulch... is not as strong a town read as he'd like to be, but still town. Eevee is still town. Ordering things:

Town

ReplacedIn
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Eeevee
iDany
Mulch
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AronaGrundy
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Massive (please sort this slot somehow,but I'm not using my one shot to be stuck in a topic with someone who doesn't post anyway)
Fro99er (LMK was on the scummy side of null, but the replace out feels like real flaking. Still scummy)
Uzi
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Chickadee
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Post Post #1277 (isolation #86) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:50 pm

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In post 1274, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I wasn't going to go into that direction for today but I don't care anymore.

I targeted MMM's slot and they are not a VT. Lynch it tommorow.
Actually... are you a Vanilla Cop?
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Post Post #1280 (isolation #87) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:53 pm

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It would compliment my role nicely.

Mastina: would a Vanilla cop who got investigated an Aescetic get "not VT" or "no result"?


<<< Answered in . >>>
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Post Post #1281 (isolation #88) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:54 pm

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I mean you might as well claim, if we have two scum down days 2 and 3 we don't need anything else.
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Post Post #1287 (isolation #89) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:25 pm

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Hey ReplacedIn, you're literally the only person I trust at all about this.

Neapolitan is a strong investigative role. Would it conflict with another strong investigative role, like Cop? I think it would barely squeak in with a weak one.
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Post Post #1290 (isolation #90) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:17 pm

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Yeah what if I mentioned my role is actually
Loyal Town Cop
with no limited shots or other bs?

Granted my guilties are a little WIFOM, but we're in universe C my good friend.
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Post Post #1303 (isolation #91) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:13 pm

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That... could be a Mastina setup. The Loyal Town Cop, the Macho Neapolitan, the town Jailkeeper, the aescetic, vs. Mafia Rolecop and Roleblocker?

It's not a bad fakeclaim, but you're just the mafia rolecop.
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Post Post #1310 (isolation #92) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:30 am

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In post 1304, EeveeLution Army wrote:I come back from sleeping to 5 pages O.o.


So a loyal person found out former was scum? If former was commuter/hider/ascetic wouldn't it give the same result?
Hence why I asked for roleblock actions. He had no comment, he has none of them. Are there other roles that could fuck with me? Sure. But they didn't.
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Post Post #1329 (isolation #93) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:37 am

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No claims, no one walks out of a cop guilty day 2.
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Post Post #1357 (isolation #94) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:11 am

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So I honestly think LUV is bussing Chickadee. I might be wrong, but in any case I would recommend lynching her before Uzi. They're guaranteed not both town. Never lynch FeplaceMe.
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Post Post #1361 (isolation #95) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:32 am

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There really isn't. If his play hadn't convinced me, knowing Mastina would have.
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Post Post #1364 (isolation #96) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:35 am

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This is a valiant effort.
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Post Post #1385 (isolation #97) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:21 pm

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Loyal Town Cop. Not 1-shot.
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Post Post #1388 (isolation #98) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:31 pm

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FYI the most likely townie in that mess is Chickadee, and Uzi is the mafia rolecop who has discovered a very interesting fact about a townie claim.
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Post Post #1389 (isolation #99) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:32 pm

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To be clear: not that she shouldn't be lynched eventually. Just I'd like things to happen in a certain order tomorrow, and I doubt I'll be around to say anything about it.
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Post Post #1394 (isolation #100) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:24 pm

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Hint: scum.

Who claims a guilty AFTER town has claimed a guilty? Not someone who is worried about roleblockers, that's for sure. Who starts the day voting for someone who isn't their cop guilty?

This is a scum gambit, stop overthinking. FF dies, I get shot, you lot better damn well do the right thing and you know what I think that is.
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Post Post #1414 (isolation #101) » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:30 am

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Quick notes before hammer:


Uzi gets results of "Town" or "ambiguous"
I get results of "Town" or "ambiguous"

What causes "ambiguous" is slightly different, but the fact is these roles are both quite strong and very similar.
There is almost no chance the normal review committee allowed two strong nearly identical but subtly different roles in the same game
. I would bet money that you could count on the fingers of one hand out of all the thousand of normal games run the times that there's been a cop and a gunsmith (and they probably would have been very early on when we had things like "paranoid cops" and "cults" in normal games). And even if all that happened, you ALSO have to believe that cop-Uzi had a guilty result and didn't start the day by interrogating Chickadee - in fact he didn't even mind when the person he had very good reason to believe was scum
joined the wagon he started
.

Lynch Uzi tomorrow, 100% scum flip.

Sort Chickadee afterwards. I truly doubt Uzi is lying about his result, there's no motivation to fake a result after FormerFish is already dying. On the other hand you'll note his result has a carefully crafted hole - she could be a non-VT townie. I am not outing any power roles by discussing this, as a mafia rolecop would know exactly what she is. OTOH she's just claimed "yeah I'm still VT you're lying lolol" and not really said anything else, which is... not town. So yeah, feel free to lynch the fuck out of her. Just don't assume 100% she's scum, and for the love of christ, don't lynch her tomorrow, watch her flip scum, and then go "two very similar cops i
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Post Post #1418 (isolation #102) » Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:00 pm

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FormerFish hasn't even bothered to claim in all of this. Please hammer this scumbutt so I can die with my job well done (unless there's a protective role)
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Post Post #1429 (isolation #103) » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:47 pm

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In post 1419, Formerfish wrote:What the fuck is a claim from me. I say vt and it changes nothing.

Grey, if you are scum, then well played. If you are town then this is the game you stop treating me like your little fuck boy. You haven't proven yourself to be anything other than a loud fucking voice that berates teammates and opponents alike. This game is where that shit ends with you and I.
I've been cop investigated night 1 and it sucks. But think of it as a compliment. I had a scumread on you, but I wasn't positive by any stretch, and I knew you'd be hard to lynch. And if you were town you'd be an asset to the town (imagine having confirmed town massive versus confirmed town you). It's a pretty simple equation that got you scanned.

If you are town you can spend your last posts giving us some reads. If you're scum, well, it always bites to die to night play.
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Post Post #1552 (isolation #104) » Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:53 pm

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In post 1457, ReplacedIn wrote:I refuse to believe you think his play here is as mafia to go and do a 1-1 trade to get you mslynched when he was town read by majority of the room prior to it. Also think his role explains the existence of mine inside the setup completely and don't think he'd have known this prior to his claiming at all not to mention his play is pretty transparently town throughout the whole game. So if you're town you need to actually start acknowledging he's town here and start providing actual reads and content rather than butthurt frustration posts which is what you've been doing so far. Like if you're town here I understand that this situation isn't fun or ideal, but you need to be doing much more with it.

Anyway;

Vote: LUV


Dude is just openly wolfing at this point.
Please stop this Hito.

We are lynching the guilty, no ifs, ands, or but.
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Post Post #1559 (isolation #105) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:03 am

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In post 1553, Formerfish wrote:Keep playing like this and I'll go with my better judgement and ignore all this towngrey bullshit.

You have to see you are being manipulated. If you are the player you portray yourself to be you would, a least. Unless you're scum, scum would blindly hunker down and be a rock when a bridge was needed.
No bridge is needed. You investigate as scum. You die.
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Post Post #1560 (isolation #106) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:09 am

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In post 1554, ReplacedIn wrote:Effectively tldr so far is GreyICE & Mulch are always town, Arona is very probably town, iDanny is probably town but it's not a read I feel very good about at all. I've got weakish scum reads on Eve & LMK's slot, would like people to talk more about the former and I'm hoping the latter is self-resolving.
Seriously stop doing this. The town is losing focus, and my guilty is seriously all that matters.

I know you had FF as a town read. That's your bad play, because he was fairly obvious scum. I lynched Tchill for you yesterday, over my better judgment which said Chickadee was being bussed like fuck. You do this for me today. Sort Uzi tomorrow, the Uzi/Chickadee dynamic is not going anywhere.
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Post Post #1567 (isolation #107) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:17 am

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In post 1563, Formerfish wrote:See, I didn't though. You got blocked bro.
Cute, but you don't wiggle out of a guilty by going "what about the framer?" You just get lynched.
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Post Post #1590 (isolation #108) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:10 am

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In post 1569, Formerfish wrote:You don't have a guilty, you have a hole where something should be if it were allowed to go through.
Cool story. Also when someone tracks to the night kill they're totally the town cop who just happened to get super unlucky.

But see, they get lynched because they got tracked to the night kill. Then they flip scum, because this shit doesn't happen in reality.
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Post Post #1592 (isolation #109) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:21 am

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In post 1581, EeveeLution Army wrote:Then scum roleblocker is 100% confirmed and we can move from there
Hell no. He flips town feel fucking free to lynch me. It will not happen, because the first rule of mafia is Occam's Razor. The most simple thing is almost always what happened.

In this case, the simple thing is as follows. I am the Town Loyal Cop. I investigated FormerFish. I got "no result" because my action failed due to him being scum.
The other possible thing is I am scum, I made up an elaborate story to try and fake a guilty on FormerFish without suffering the consequences.

He's been floating tendrils to see whether people will buy story 2 or the "roleblocker just happened to target GreyICE to frame me on night 1 where the scum couldn't possibly have a single inkling of what his role was". Now feel free to evaluate the possibility as follows: If I'm scum, then I chose to shoot GerryOak over FormerFish (why) then fake a guilty on FormerFish day 2 in order to get him lynched, rather than, I dunno, do the conventional play of try to get a scummy lurker like Massive/Fro99er lynched and shooting the dreadful threat of FormerFish night 2.

Occam's Razor. What happened?
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Post Post #1593 (isolation #110) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:22 am

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In post 1591, Formerfish wrote:And the fact that you refuse to see a scenario where I am town is what gets me. You are so steadfast on your stupid belief that you have wrapped yourself up in a cocoon of idiotic circular logic.

Grey, I am going to flip town. It is going to happen. Why don't you help us figure out the best way to go about this because right now there is an absence of a guilty on me, and chick is being called a liar. How do you feel about liars Grey?
You lynch all liars. But very importantly, you lynch day 2 cop guilties over everything else in the known universe.
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Post Post #1594 (isolation #111) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:24 am

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In post 1189, gerryoat wrote:No matter what. Lynch luv tomorrow
Although the fact this was his last post before dying does not speak well of Uzi.
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Post Post #1598 (isolation #112) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:29 am

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In post 1596, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:And would it kill you to apply Occam's razor and realize that I'm town with a guilty?
Occam's Razor says the following:

- You voted me over your guilty
- You claimed after I claimed
- You claimed vaguely initially, and didn't roleclaim until pressed
- Your role happens to match mine very closely.

Occam's Razor says there's numerous improbable events in there. Scum gambit.
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Post Post #1599 (isolation #113) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:31 am

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I mean seriously dude, you started the day voting me - meaning you think I'm at least close to as likely to be scum as your claimed guilty - my role happens to match your role very closely, to the level that I counterclaimed you, and what do you do?

You try and sell me on you being town with me. Rather than assuming I'm scum and going from there.

Yeah, you know how my flip goes. You really do.
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Post Post #1601 (isolation #114) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:37 am

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There have been plenty of games with town cop and a town Neapolitan before. Do you feel it's unlikely or what?
Excellent. Link to two.
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Post Post #1608 (isolation #115) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:58 am

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In post 1603, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 1601, GreyICE wrote:
There have been plenty of games with town cop and a town Neapolitan before. Do you feel it's unlikely or what?
Excellent. Link to two.
After you link me to a 1000 games where there wasn't.

Only rule is that can't use the Newbie queue.
Uh huh.

So the answer is "you're making shit up"
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Post Post #1611 (isolation #116) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:03 am

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Although you know what? I don't give a fuck. I have a guilty on FormerFish, we're lynching FormerFish. You felt so great about your guilty you didn't even want to vote her
WHILE COMPLAINING THAT THIS DAY WOULD TAKE TOO LONG


So Uzi, you can shut the fuck up and vote my guilty, and if you're a goddamn Macho cop I'll let the town figure out why you're still alive in a few days.
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Post Post #1612 (isolation #117) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:04 am

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In post 1610, Formerfish wrote:Grey, legit question. When I flip town, who are you going after?
Impossible things don't occur.
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Post Post #1616 (isolation #118) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:11 am

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In post 1613, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Or I don't have the free time to dive through fucking games to prove to you that two similar roles with modifiers or x-Shot attached isn't fucking improbable.
Okay, so you made a statement you have no evidence for, but believe is true based on... what? Your 10 months of experience? I have 7 years on this site. If we're just arguing from authority, I am the authority.

Now lets be perfectly clear. You bitched about how long this day was going to be:
In post 1223, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Giving this day 15 pages :)
If you wanted it to be short you could have claimed your guilty and the day would have ended. Or even voted your "cop guilty". Or at least QUESTIONED your "cop guilty".

You did not. So you lynch my cop guilty. Then we lynch you anyway, because you didn't cooperate with me, because your role conflicts with mine, because your play has been nothing like the play of a cop with a guilty, and because despite the fact you have a "macho" role you won't be shot tonight, or any other night. So guess what? If you want to contribute something to the town while you're alive, get off some more investigations while you still can. Because 100% you will be lynched this game, so if you're town, start thinking about how you're going to contribute, rather than complaining about things that you could never change under any circumstances

(of course survival is your win condition so you're playing to it, but you're making it quite obvious that it is your own win condition)
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Post Post #1617 (isolation #119) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:11 am

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In post 1615, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:You went into this day questioning if you had a guilty just like I did so stop crying foul that I opted to not immediately out my guilty.
Okay, show where you questioned Chickadee, liar.
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Post Post #1623 (isolation #120) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:48 am

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You know you have time to posts 50 zillion times in thread. You have time to act like a condescending brat. You have time to cast shade on me. You don't have time to find a game with a cop/neapolitan, or find where you questioned Chickadee - the best you can come up with is where
I
questioned Chickadee.

Of course finding things that don't exist is already quite a difficult proposition.

I'll put it to you this way. I'll lynch FormerFish, or I'll lynch the guy who counterclaimed my own role today. Which would you prefer? Because I say lynching my guilty is the more pro-town thing.

As for why you'd scum gambit when I'm threatening to lynch you and FormerFish is outed, and Chickadee is on the chopping block. Well. That's not hard. As to why you did it so poorly, you're bad at mafia. Again, this is not that hard.
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Post Post #1624 (isolation #121) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:49 am

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In post 1622, Mulch wrote:VOTE: Chickdee
Get back on FF mulch.

You know impossible things don't happen. This is by far the worst of the three lynches.
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Post Post #1633 (isolation #122) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:01 am

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In post 1628, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Here's the fucking game you want so bad

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=63693
A large theme game. Cool story bro.

We're in a
mini normal
.

At least this explains why you thought it was a possible fake claim.
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Post Post #1634 (isolation #123) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:01 am

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Then vote me you ball-free wonderchild
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Post Post #1636 (isolation #124) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:02 am

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Come on you lying scumfuck, come and vote me. Take your shriveled, mealy-mouthed, lying little olive pit balls and come vote me. Come state for 100% certainty that one of the two of us is scum. Come on, I dare you.
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Post Post #1637 (isolation #125) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:02 am

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In post 1635, Mulch wrote:Why don't we vote chickadee? Why wouldent you want to lynch scum?
Because she is the least likely to be scum of the three, Mulch.
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Post Post #1639 (isolation #126) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:05 am

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Then why would I claim a guilty on Formerfish?

And what's my plan to survive to endgame anyway? Hope that people don't remember on day 5 that the claimed cop is still alive and has never been killed? Hope the setup is so favorable to me that setup spec doesn't make it immediately obvious that my claimed role is too powerful to exist?

If this is scum theater, then what's the endgame? And what does Occam's razor tell you? What's the simplest explanation here?
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Post Post #1640 (isolation #127) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:06 am

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Let me put it this way. If FormerFish flips town, lynch me immediately. If FormerFish flips scum and I'm alive on day 5, lynch me immediately. Neither are things that should happen, and it's good play to do either of these.
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Post Post #1642 (isolation #128) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:17 am

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Cool, Large Normal. Not what I asked for at all, but what I asked for doesn't exist. We're on mini normal one thousand, nine hundred and twenty, and you are looking in the large games?

You better hope you're pretty, Uzi, because if you're stupid and craven you better have something going for you.
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Post Post #1653 (isolation #129) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:23 am

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Mulch, let me give you a guide to playing Mafia. Apply Occam's razor. When do scum put on shows? When it benefits them. When does it benefit them? During endgame, where the town has to make critical decisions with no margin for error. When does it not benefit them? When it's day 2 and we have infinite lynches to get things right.

The flaw to any plan to "outwit the enemy by acting in ways that can't be anticipated" is that the only way to act in a way that is unanticipated is to act in a way that is counter to your own benefits.

In this case, suppose we're both scum. Effectively with ReplacedIn townreading both of us, you more-or-less town reading both of us, we could have easily pushed through a lynch on Chickadee just by sneezing very hard in her general direction. And then Massive and Fro99er, because well, if I gave you a two-shot vig with the condition "it can only be used on Massive and Fro99er" would you pull the trigger? Obviously. Then we're at what, day 5? Even if we bussed Chickadee and ran on the town cred to get the two mislynches on the lurkfucks, what the hell.

If we are this stupid, then for fucks sake, vote my guilty and then use it to lynch us both on days 3 and 4. Or vote one of us. Don't vote Chickadee, the LEAST likely to be scum and the most likely to reveal nothing of value at all.

Or use your brain.
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Post Post #1656 (isolation #130) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:25 am

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In post 1647, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:????

It's a normal which means it is possible. The size doesn't matter.

Hell that game had a more busted combo than what we have. Get your head out of your ass.
More size = more power.

This is the simplest thing in the world. The proportion of power roles remains the same.

Again, one thousand, nine hundred and nineteen previous mini normal games, and you go looking in the larges.

You know what my flip would do to you, feel free to run cover for FF at the cost of your life.
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Post Post #1657 (isolation #131) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:26 am

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In post 1654, Mulch wrote:I've made a show to distance people.

Also, your insults don't seem real.

Also,
You're right. You seriously have no idea what I wanted to write in there, and how badly I toned it down.

Now use your fucking brain, if you have one. Read my words. Do they make sense?
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Post Post #1660 (isolation #132) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:28 am

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Come on you ball-less little shitbird. You're claiming I have to be scum, and your vote isn't even on me. Come on you dumb, stupid, moronic little spammy fuck. You drove two different people out of this game, and yet you can't even get your money where your mouth is? What are you, Uzi? All talk and no balls? You're one of those kids who laughs at others on the playground, and then runs and hides behind the teachers if they get mad at you, aren't you?

Or you could bother to find any of the things I asked for in any of the places I asked for them.
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Post Post #1670 (isolation #133) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:31 am

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Yeah, I'm sure you are Uzi. Stupid people are easily amused.
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Post Post #1685 (isolation #134) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:39 am

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Mulch, in what way is FormerFish doing anything other than throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks? In order:

- He is in a 1v1 with me
- Mastina wouldn't put anything less than a full cop in the game
- Town would have waited to claim the guilty
- I didn't wait long enough to claim the guilty
- Chickadee shouldn't claim
- We should lynch Chickadee
- Mulch is scum
- ReplacedIn is scum
- I'm town and my guilty is obviously the action of the scumteam
- I'm rolefishing
- I didn't wait long enough to rolefish everyone

In what way is any of this consistent, Mulch? This is what flailing looks like.
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Post Post #1699 (isolation #135) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:49 am

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In post 1687, Mulch wrote:True. But his emoitions and his scumread of me seem pure.
Emotions are the easiest thing to fake in the world. What's even his emotion? Frustrated, at a loss, flailing about to avoid getting lynched? Sure. I'm sure he even genuinely feels all of that. But who goes from:
In post 1500, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1497, ReplacedIn wrote:Going to respond to the recent stuff when I get home.

Would also like Chickadee to hard claim whatever she is in her next post, her lurking throughout all of this isn't a good look too.
Why do you want this. If she is town she's a PR.
to this:
In post 1547, Formerfish wrote:VOTE: Unvote

VOTE: Chick

This is the right vote Uzi.

Who goes from A to B in one sentence?
In post 1566, Formerfish wrote:It's more complicated than I can easily explain but basically it's this: I know I'm town. Grey claims to have preformed and action that says otherwise. The start to the day is iffy for him because he asks anyone who might have interfered with his action to out themselves. Again, he is asking any town member who has a night action that would have given him mixed result to come forward.
He is role fishing here.
Even if we ignore that, scum is never going to admit to messing with his action since he is going balls deep trying mislynch town.
Also, grey doesn't even let everyone chime in to answer.
I'm rolefishing AND I didn't give everyone enough time to fully rolefish!

You should lynch my guilty because I claimed first, because mine is more legit, and because I'm much more town then Uzi. And this will 100% end in a scum death. Yes, anything COULD have happened. But Occam's razor this. I claimed because I have a guilty sitting in my inbox. Scum didn't roleblock me because they could have roleblocked any townie and they were picking essentially at random.
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Post Post #1701 (isolation #136) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:49 am

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In post 1698, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I need a VC.
I need Dany to vote Chi.
I need ELA to get over thinking I'm an ass.
I need to hear from Frogger.
I need massive to get online.
You need a ball and brain transplant
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Post Post #1703 (isolation #137) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:50 am

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Mulch, please look at the blatant contradictions - not changes in position, blatant contradictions, and tell me this:

Is FormerFish legitimately trying to solve the game?
Is FormerFish trying to get people to townread him despite the guilty?

Sure, there's a convincing explanation in there, because he's tried to appeal to everyone, in every way possible.
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Post Post #1705 (isolation #138) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:52 am

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In post 1702, Mulch wrote:You 2 are abnormally hostile to each other
Also I believe I was pretty done with Uzi when he made two people replace out yesterday and spammed the thread demanding we do everything his way.

Right now he's tepidly testing the water seeing which is the more likely over FormerFish: me, or Chickadee. You think I'm not going to mock this dumb little shit as he pretends he's doing anything but acting like a cowardly shit?
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Post Post #1706 (isolation #139) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:53 am

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Ooh look, now he's hard defending FormerFish.
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Post Post #1708 (isolation #140) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:54 am

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The scum QT right now:
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Post Post #1710 (isolation #141) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:55 am

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In post 1707, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Claims scum couldn't have roleblocked him but was heavily town read Day 1.
Ah, so you think I was roleblocked town. Or am I scum counterclaiming you?

Am I bussing FormerFish next?
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Post Post #1713 (isolation #142) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:56 am

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I said she's the least likely out of you three to flip scum. And that's true. I have a guilty on one, and you counterclaimed me. All I have on her is scum claimed a guilty on her, and MMM was scummy as fuck and it sure looked like you and FF were bussing.

You know by complaining I'm pointing out the links between you and your scumbuddy you make the links stand out even more. Good job
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Post Post #1714 (isolation #143) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:57 am

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Ah yes. I'm projecting. So I'm the one who made two people replace out yesterday. I'm the one who spammed like fuck day 1. I'm the one who wants to lynch myself or Chickadee.

We'll add "projecting" to the long list of things you're too stupid to understand the meaning of.
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Post Post #1718 (isolation #144) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:05 am

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In post 1715, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Your a cop and I'm a Neapolitan. I didn't counterclaim you and you had asked me to claim. What the fuck? Stop the blatant misrepresentation.
Exactly, Uzi. You softclaimed a role very close to my true role. I asked you to full claim. I counterclaimed you.

Please draw more attention to this.
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Post Post #1719 (isolation #145) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:06 am

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In post 1716, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:You're projecting because you wouldn't pump that shit to me IRL.
Kid, if you think I wouldn't call you a dumb cunt to your face, you know nothing about me at all.
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Post Post #1720 (isolation #146) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:06 am

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And also that's not what projecting means.
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Post Post #1725 (isolation #147) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:14 am

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In post 1721, Mulch wrote:uzi has a HARD guilty though, and you have a soft guilty
I have a hard guilty. Uzi has been counterclaimed.
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Post Post #1726 (isolation #148) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:15 am

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Like, I know you're thinking "what if they did roleblock me?" Well what if Chickadee is town fakeclaiming? What if, what if, what if? It's at least as likely as this "the scum totally roleblocked me and FF is a townie unfortunately caught up in all this."

As I said, 100% lynch me tomorrow if FF flips town. 100%. I'll vote myself.
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Post Post #1727 (isolation #149) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:17 am

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"Maybe the scumteam is Grey, Uzi, and FF and Chickadee is town fakeclaiming and we're just playing you for a super sucker"

The only way to know if that's not true is to lynch FF. If I can't appeal to your logic, I'll appeal to your paranoia.
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Post Post #1730 (isolation #150) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:22 am

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In post 1728, Mulch wrote:I don't like that. I just want to lynch someone who has a hard guilty, just in case ur scum with a soft guilty and are gonna try and get out of it
In post 1726, GreyICE wrote:As I said, 100% lynch me tomorrow if FF flips town. 100%. I'll vote myself.
For fucks sake.
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Post Post #1731 (isolation #151) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:23 am

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In post 1728, Mulch wrote:I don't like that. I just want to lynch someone who has a hard guilty, just in case ur scum with a soft guilty and are gonna try and get out of it
The person trying to get out of this, 100%, is FormerFish.
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Post Post #1733 (isolation #152) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:25 am

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I think this is plan fucking moron.

Here, let me help you on what happens tomorrow. I'm dead, Uzi is "roleblocked", FF goes "obviously that proves I'm town, and if I'm not town well at least that Uzi guy sure is town!" Uzi tries to convince you to lynch ReplacedIn or Fro99er or someone.

Lynch my guilty. You want to know what WILL prove that I'm town? An FF scumflip. Unless you think this is a bus, at which point... lol
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Post Post #1735 (isolation #153) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:27 am

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Also, Hitogoroshi you dumb shit, this is why you don't stall the game "so I can stick my thumb up my arse and bum around for a bit"
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Post Post #1736 (isolation #154) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:27 am

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In post 1734, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1731, GreyICE wrote:
In post 1728, Mulch wrote:I don't like that. I just want to lynch someone who has a hard guilty, just in case ur scum with a soft guilty and are gonna try and get out of it
The person trying to get out of this, 100%, is FormerFish.
If mislynching me would get you to shut the fuck up, I am all for it. Right now you are spewing nothing but vitreous shit to anyone who has a differing opinion as you.

I was serious that if you are town I'm fucking done with you, and if you're scum you're still a piece of shit.
Cool story bro. SElf-vote
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Post Post #1741 (isolation #155) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:30 am

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I am hostile because I am sitting here with a guilty in my inbox and somehow everyone has come up with the bloody great plan of "let's not do a damn thing about it".

It's like... this is just too stupid for words. There's no way in hell the right move is to vote with the guy who was so uncertain of his guilty he didn't even bother to mention it until the day is half done. There's no way in hell you should believe the scum randomly roleblocked me as anything other than the most remote of possibilities.

I am also hostile because Uzi is a pretty garbage person on multiple levels, and there's a reason people keep replacing out rather than talking to him. Seriously, he deserves everything I've said to him and more besides.

<<< Let's keep insults to the player and not the person please. I've let it slide thusfar but I do have a limit. Please don't try to find it. >>>
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Post Post #1749 (isolation #156) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:43 am

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And Mulch, let me ask you this. Suppose Uzi is a Neapolitan that thinks it's absolutely credible that I am also an investigating role. Why would he out himself on day 2 rather than breadcrumbing his result and getting another result N2? You know, exactly what him and FormerFish claimed I should be doing.
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Post Post #1750 (isolation #157) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:43 am

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In post 1747, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Lynch Chi. I have the stronger guilty.

If she flips town, I'll eat a lynch. I'm giving my fucking word.
Oh you're getting lynched in any case, captain macho cop.
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Post Post #1751 (isolation #158) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:44 am

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In post 1746, Formerfish wrote:Think for one fucking second about being wrong. Think for one fucking second that you are being a prick. Then go fuck yourself.
I'm not wrong. I may be a prick because I investigated you at night and you can't talk your way out of it. I suppose a nice person would let you win. I don't feel like doing that. If you can't handle that, replace out.
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Post Post #1753 (isolation #159) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:48 am

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If you flip town, certainly.

Want to self-vote so we can all find out how likely that is?
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Post Post #1759 (isolation #160) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:55 am

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In post 1756, Formerfish wrote:How long we wait doesn't change my flipping town, and then you reneging tomorrow.
Want to see if step 1 occurs? Because it won't.
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Post Post #1760 (isolation #161) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:55 am

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In post 1755, Mulch wrote:CAN WE PLEASE LYNCH THE HARD GUILTY
Yes, let's lynch scum's hard guilty over town's.
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Post Post #1765 (isolation #162) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:02 am

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In post 1761, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:The real question is why the hell did you scum read me for not complying? That's really why we are in this mess now.
What town motive is there to not answer a simple yes or no question?
It doesn't out any power roles, except in the sole instance that there is a town roleblocker or jailkeeper who just happened to target me.
On the other hand there's a lot of scum motive not to give town information. Not only did you refuse to share, you encouraged other townies to refuse to share.
That was 100% scum motivation, you wanted to quick lynch me and prevent whatever I wanted to share from getting out.
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Post Post #1766 (isolation #163) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:02 am

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In post 1763, Formerfish wrote:I will bet you anything you want that I am going to flip town.
Cool, $20. I'm staring at the result in my inbox. So go for it.
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Post Post #1768 (isolation #164) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:06 am

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$20 bet? Yes or no FF?
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Post Post #1770 (isolation #165) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:07 am

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I'll paypal you the money or send you Steam Store Credit, or whatever.
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Post Post #1771 (isolation #166) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:07 am

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Sure, signature bet.
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Post Post #1776 (isolation #167) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:09 am

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Lets see, three months? Works for me.

Yours is going to be "Don't read the words above, think about what makes sense based on the actions." -
GreyICE, after killing me and my idiot scumteam.
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Post Post #1778 (isolation #168) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:09 am

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Six months, fine
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Post Post #1779 (isolation #169) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:14 am

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In post 1777, ReplacedIn wrote:Grey, first off I'm not Hito. Secondly please take a few hour break from this game for both your and our sake. You're getting far too rilled up. When you get back talk to me a little about how Chickadee is handling this situation;

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In any universe do you want FF or Uzi to live this game? I gave you tchill yesterday, over Chickadee. You spent two pages arguing with me that the correct lynch was Tchill, not Chickadee. We could have lynched her yesterday.

Give me FF today.
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Post Post #1781 (isolation #170) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:17 am

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Also if you're not Hito, you're MOI, and either of you should know that I'm not here to play "sheep the leader" 100% of the time.

The correct play to me is always going to be the message in my inbox aligning with my reads. That's what we take to the bank. A message in the inbox of a guy who has a role really similar to mine is not exactly happy times for me.
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Post Post #1782 (isolation #171) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:18 am

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In post 1780, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Or give me Chi. Fuck I had the MMM slot as scum from minute one.
I notice. You and FormerFish were calling for her lynch before she even replaced in to claim. Exactly you and FormerFish and no one else.
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Post Post #1785 (isolation #172) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:20 am

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But everyone else seemed to accept they could be wrong day 1. You two were the only two who were so positive she was scum you were willing to call for the slot's death without the possibility of claim.
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Post Post #1788 (isolation #173) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:21 am

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Not at all


Me, answering for the mod based on information anyone could look up in 1 second.
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Post Post #1790 (isolation #174) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:22 am

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In post 1787, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:The cases on him have been laid out on why we were so sure and everyone didn't want to because they bought his emotion.
Yes, I noticed. They didn't seem awful for a day 1 case, in fact they were pretty good. But 100% certainty? That comes from one thing alone.
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Post Post #1807 (isolation #175) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:34 pm

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Okay, but see it from my perspective. When I got this role I made a list of all the cute interactions that could be in the game:

Jailkeeper - Doctor who turns me paranoid for the night
Roleblocker - Scum framer
Town Ascetic - Miller
Commuter - bulletproof miller
Hider - No, for power reasons (two cops)

I assumed two, if not three of them exist. But look at how Neapolitan interacts with these.

Roleblocker - they're... roleblocked
Jailkeeper - They're... jailkept
Ascetic - No result... (not even "not vanilla")
Commuter - No result (not even "not vanilla")

It's the least elegant thing ever. Maybe, maybe it would be okay from a power standpoint if there was nothing else relevant in the game. But from the standpoint of a compelling setup? It's so fucking random. These are two answers to the question of "how do you make a weaker cop?" They've made cops that get confirmed guilties and unconfirmed innocents (Trackers), but these?

Neapolitan - cop who gets confirmed innocents, but no confirmed guilties
Loyal cop - cop who gets confirmed innocents, but no confirmed guilties

This is just derpy to the extreme. In a really non-Mastina way, because no one looks at this hypothetical setup and goes "it looks clever" they look at it and go "what a mess". This exact mess is exactly what I'd expect every time if that's the setup, and that's horrible. So the guilty is as useful as fins on a pig.

The other thing is I have to trust these people who don't want to lynch FormerFish. Mulch in particular is willing to throw aside all logic because "he sounds town". They're going to let him live. They're going to let him live to LyLo with a cop guilty on him, then they're going to have their own personal grudges and lynch someone they dislike in LyLo. You know this is exactly the sort of town for that horror to occur.

Chickadee will die before LyLo. FormerFish is the scum that wins the damn game, and we lynch him here.
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Post Post #1810 (isolation #176) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:49 pm

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If the review process has really degraded to the point where shit like this is acceptable then this site is dead. Any review committee that lets that sort of setup by should be summarily dismissed and replaced by random scummers. The goal of a normal is to maintain a balanced sense of gameplay with good variety from the roles without them becoming overly intrusive into gameplays. Guilties are fine. This "would they wouldn't they" of interlocking stupid roles is anything but.

That being said my opinion of the MafiaScum moderators probably couldn't be lower. Consider this my review of their performance.

Vote: Chickadee
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Post Post #1815 (isolation #177) » Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:26 pm

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Games used to be fairly well designed. Or at least there was an era where they weren't total shit. Although me being a big push for less "each town role has a matching mafia counter" has apparently morphed into "the town is lol overpowered hello town of salem"

Like Odd night cop/odd night roleblocker is a pair where if you lynch the roleblocker early the cop is damn near confirmed due to interaction. The second one is just a mess from a design perspective. 2-shot tracker? I mean tracker is a weak role in the first place, why is the weakest town role in the setup also 2-shot? And what's the fruit vendor even doing? Interacting with the tracker that only has two shots? It's complete garbage.

I am an advocate that 10:3 needs to have town sided power roles since scum will win a 10:3 vanilla probably 95%+ of the time (seriously, the stats on 10:2 are like 90% scum wins), but those setups are more than a little garbage. I'll agree with my pal, tentatively.

Fact is, good principles of a normal design: The game shall be focused on scumhunting, not role discussion. Interactions shall be simple - when someone is counterclaimed it's a 50/50, when a guilty shows up it's reasonably easy to deduce what circumstances it might fall apart or what might have happened, the scum generally rule the night but not to the level of having a full counter to every town power. The game shall not become town sided due to mass claim, nor shall claims overlap in such a way that you have to play will they/won't they with the designer. The scum will have to play well during the day to win, the town should need either decent night and day play or exceptional day play to win. A good rule of thumb is one scum outed due to power roles, two townies cleared due to power roles, with the potential for more or less based on play.
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Post Post #1839 (isolation #178) » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:42 pm

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Targeted iDanyboy, because I figured I'd get roleblocked and I didn't want to target someone scummy.

I got Town. I have no idea what it means.
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Post Post #1840 (isolation #179) » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:43 pm

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I mean obviously it means he's town. But I have no idea why I'm not blocked.
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Post Post #1841 (isolation #180) » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:44 pm

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Mastina: We're going to have a long talk after the game
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Post Post #1843 (isolation #181) » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:47 pm

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Vote: FormerFish


There is no way I was randomly roleblocked N1 and then not roleblocked N2 unless it's some flavor of gambit. You solve gambits in mafia by killing everyone. Me included, in case you're wondering, but you die first.
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Post Post #1844 (isolation #182) » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:48 pm

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In post 1842, ReplacedIn wrote:Kind of think that result means we're pretty much always lynching FF here? If scum are going to risk having a potentially scummy player cleared via not shooting at you and not roleblocking you just to solidify that mslynch when if he's town he's getting mslynched at some point anyway then it's probably a winning situation for us. The only real plausible situation I see where FF might be town here is if we're dealing with an odd night RB or a 1-shot roleblocker or something. Will be doing a big reread when I get home and would like others to share their thoughts now we have a scum flip, but yeah, probably always voting FF.
I'm starting to think you might be scum here.
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Post Post #1845 (isolation #183) » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:51 pm

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As a veteran of late miller claims gosh they scare me.

Why are you so certain I'm town?
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Post Post #1851 (isolation #184) » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:46 pm

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In post 1846, ReplacedIn wrote:
In post 1844, GreyICE wrote:I'm starting to think you might be scum here.
You'd be woefully wrong.

Strongly town read you for a
lot
of reasons, ranging from reading your interactions with me at several stages throughout the game as very genuine, thinking the way you'd presented the Tchill meta-comparison isn't something you would have done as mafia and think the speed at which it was done (~12 minutes from memory) is a very strong town tell. I also think setup-wise your role explains why my role is in the game to a large degree, don't think you'd do any of that "claim if roleblocked" or fake claim in the manner you did to 1 v 1 with FF at all. Found your stance and way you treated yesterday to be well and truly outside of yours and well anyones scum game (and this is coming from someone that has a lot of respect for your scum game). Also think the way you've handled Chickadee and her interactions with you are very obviously not W/W. Then there's the fact that you probably haven't worked out who I am but I'm someone that for the most part (Bar one really weird exception) is very good at reading and understanding you. So yeah, my confidence that you're town is pretty much 100% and something I could write an essay on if needed.
But why wasn't I roleblocked? I mean the options I see are:

1) The scum don't have a roleblocker

I mean I'd say it's impossible but I am not going to sit here and diagnose trash. This setup is incomprehensible already. It's failed fundamentally at one of the basics of being a normal game. Next to that not having a roleblocker is just... whatever.

2) The scum were going for a gambit


Basically they did roleblock me night 1 and want me to trust my FF result rather than see roleblocked pop up. I basically don't think so, because I didn't investigate a town read, and for a number of reasons.

3) They flat forgot to submit an action


I dunno, Fro99er/Massive+FF scumteam shenanigans. I'd have checked one of those two if I thought there was a snowballs chance in hell of a "no result" having any meaning whatsoever. As it is I'm happy to have a Dany = town result, whatever else happens they have to shoot him.
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Post Post #1852 (isolation #185) » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:49 pm

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So...

Town

iDanyboy (mod confirmed trumps all)
--------
Eevee
Arona
Mulch
ReplacedIn
----
massive
----
FF
Scum


Fuck you

Fro99er: 6 posts from the SLOT over the course of the game. His only contribution is to go on VLA immediately after replacing in. Fuck this fucking slot it gets fucking lynched for this shit
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Post Post #1854 (isolation #186) » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:16 pm

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He just hits the right notes. His annoyance at being left out of reads lists could be scum wondering how they're positioned, but reads more like confused town (lets face it we all are at least a bit curious). His snapping at people is well placed for annoyed town,

Although to be fair his criticism of me jumping on the MMM bandwagon being the only commentary on the MMM bandwagon is... okay, sure. That's really not good.

Let me think.
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Post Post #1855 (isolation #187) » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:18 pm

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I might be starting to feel this.
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Post Post #1856 (isolation #188) » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:19 pm

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In post 34, MMM wrote:
In post 33, Mulch wrote:
In post 32, MMM wrote:
In post 28, Mulch wrote:
In post 27, massive wrote:VOTE: Mulch
Clearly trying to rush the town and we only just started!
VOTE: massive who the hell gives a reason for a meme vote
Same!
VOTE: Mulch
I like you lol
Holy shit, that's just like your second post and I already found something we both have in common! This game's gonna be good.
Mulch is practically conf. town just on this post
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Post Post #1857 (isolation #189) » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:19 pm

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In post 54, MMM wrote:VOTE: LmkGuy
Okay full disclosure I really want it to be LMKGuy because then I can have a sensible explanation for what went on in that slot.
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Post Post #1858 (isolation #190) » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:22 pm

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In post 228, MMM wrote:{iDanyBoy, Eeveelution Army, Formerfish}
{Mulch,
LmkGuy, aronagrundy, massive, MordyS
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{gerryoat, Bomberman, Lil Uzi Vert, Tchill13}
MMM is a very brave man if he put is town reads as iDany, scum, scum.

Although how the fuck he forgot Mulch after all the effort he put to buddy Mulch like I don't know. This man was not playing good.
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Post Post #1860 (isolation #191) » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:04 pm

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The only possible third party is serial killer.

If we have a serial killer who hasn't shot two nights running, sure. Lynch Fro99er, problem solved.
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Post Post #1881 (isolation #192) » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:53 am

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Okay, moving on:
In post 257, massive wrote:
In post 231, MMM wrote:
In post 230, EeveeLution Army wrote:Also any particular reason you read massive?
Not enough content.
Spoiler alert: I am generally a low-content poster as both alignments. See, oh, any game I've played in the last two years where some scumbum always feels the urge to mention this. Activity is NAI. But trying to play it like it is is the oldest (and most transparent) trick in the book.

VOTE: MMM
In post 262, massive wrote:
In post 260, MMM wrote:
VOTE: MMM
1. I'm not the first person to mention this
2. If you had actually read my fucking reads post you'd see it's not even a major indicator for my reads since my actual scum leans based on actual content are actually listed in the scummy section compared to people like you who simply haven't posted enough to warrant an actual read
1. Please quote who else has mentioned this.
2. That's a lot of anger for one vote mate.
This is pretty good indication to me that Massive/MMM are probably not scum together. Bussing happens, but bussing tends to not happen like this. MMM's reasoning was bad, Massive rightly votes him for it, MMM goes "why me?"

Why me = fry me FYI. That's a good rule of thumb in mafia.
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Post Post #1882 (isolation #193) » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:58 am

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I still like AronaGrundy, although review shows his activity is mostly null. Lots of townie-sounding stuff around votes at non-critical times, not a lot of moving the game forward during decision points. It's a bad combination. I'd be fine with him hanging, although I don't know if it's a scumflip.

Mulch remains psychotic town.

I'm starting to feel a lynch order of:

Fro99er (general principle - this level of not playing mafia is not acceptable, and gosh I wasn't impressed by LMK's 4 scummy posts. Do you really want this guy of all fucking players to be the scum who wins the game? I'd rather give it to literally anyone)
If game still ongoing: Eevee
If game still ongoing: Arona
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Post Post #1892 (isolation #194) » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:02 am

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Okay change "lynch Fro99er" to "strongly recommend on all levels"
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Post Post #1903 (isolation #195) » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:29 am

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In post 1894, Fro99er wrote:lol that's all it took?

Fuck no, I wanted to lynch your slot day 1. To my mind still at least equal to the tchill lynch and possibly equal to the MMM one. You're slotted as scum already, you don't start with a blank slate. You start with your predecessor's role PM, and let me say that's a big drawback to your slot.

That being said, yeah, if those posts were the only thing your slot had posted you'd still be a great lynch.

GI -- talk to me about FF vs. Chick interaction. I don't see that as scum v scum.
Really? Because FF pushing to lynch MMM without a claim and then immediately shutting up/backing down with minimal wagon organizing was one of the things that triggered my "this is a bus" sensors that lead directly to the investigation.

If you're really trying to claim that interactions made while both of them had COP GUILTIES on them are going to out your alignment... why? Chickadee gave up and stop posting without even bothering to fake "I'm a PR I just didn't want to out myself day 1" so clearly she didn't give even the half a shit necessary to make up something. FF doubled down on his push. I don't see how this is consistent with a town/scum pair at all. Why wouldn't scum-Chickadee bother to at least try and fake "I'm a 2-shot doctor" or something to push the lynch onto FF... unless that wouldn't help her win condition anyway?

Your logic is bad, and does not outweigh a guilty. Your slot is bad, and has been bad for a long time. This is why you're the day 3 lynch.
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Post Post #1904 (isolation #196) » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:29 am

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*Day 4.
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Post Post #1906 (isolation #197) » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:31 am

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wtf
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Post Post #1907 (isolation #198) » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:32 am

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If there's three fucking strong investigative roles in this game in the normal queue we're shipping this game to the black hole of "fuck your fucking review committee"
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Post Post #1917 (isolation #199) » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:49 am

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In post 1908, Mulch wrote:
In post 1194, mastina wrote:
<<< Additional note: A prod is outstanding on LmkGuy. He may no longer post in-thread obviously, but should he fail to respond to the prod via PM, we will be replacing him. There will be no need for a deadline extension/pause as we have a replacement lined up in the case where he fails to show up. >>>
If lmkguy was wolf mastina wouldent mention the part about responding to the prod


VIA PM

They woild just post in wolf chat


Also, the odds of mastina THINKING about him responding to it as pm means they are subconsciously thinking he's a villager
That's really outguessing the mod hard.

No.
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