Mini Normal 1917: :X Mafia (Game over!)

[Cheetory6]

Can someone explain at my face why CCC is town?
I'm really not seeing it.

[Vedith]

If CCC is scum, he's preparing the next lynch already.

[Vedith]

But it's Backhand / Hiraki.

[CCC]

Ugh I think this is town vedith...vedith vote grendel with me pls
Giga is definitely town here...grendel continues to distance himself from the main happenings of the game and wallposts on an outside shot instead... he's scum
Backhand, giga, vedith and Paul are town
That leaves hiraki and ccc as candidates for last scum
VOTE: grendel

Okay... I know you're on vacation, but I'm going to need to ask you to explain this in a bit more detail.

Doesn't have to be immediate. When you get back from vacation is fine.

Specifically, I'd like to know where these sudden townreads on Vedith and Backhand come from. (Because if those two are Town, then Mafia has to be Hiraki/Grendel).

[CCC]

If it helps, I'm a backup role to an unclaimed role.

Do you mean you're a backup to a role that no-one has yet claimed, or are you implying that there's yet

another

PR in this game?

Because if it's the second, then that's just doubling down on the ridiculous.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

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cheet i'm double checking but the way he evaluates games feels like a carbon copy to this game from what i recall.

he's a very peculiar player which i think makes his thought process difficult to understand but it... fits in its own world.

[Vedith]

Do you mean you're a backup to a role that no-one has yet claimed, or are you implying that there's yet another PR in this game?

Because if it's the second, then that's just doubling down on the ridiculous.

Second.

[CCC]

If there's a doctor that's probably worth the counter claim.

No, the Doctor

must

remain silent. If the Doctor can prevent one single more kill, then Town victory is pretty near guaranteed, as long as we can all manage not to lynch the pseudomasons (irrespective of what else goes on).

[Cheetory6]

I'd trade doctor for confirmed scum at this point.
Especially since if Vedith is scum he's probably not getting lynched today now without a CC.

[CCC]

...I believe I have just figured out what Vedith is claiming to be the backup of.

UNVOTE: Vedith

[CCC]

I'd trade doctor for confirmed scum at this point.
Especially since if Vedith is scum he's probably not getting lynched today now without a CC.

No, look. We have three confirmed Town out of ten players. I know I'm Town, and Gigabyte looks pretty Town. My case for NTRP being Town has recently collapsed - but even so, that leaves at

worst

five players who could be Mafia. Of whom two are. If the Doctor - or whoever stopped the nightkill on Night One - is successful

one more time

, then this game is basically

won

for us. Even if we

completely

mess up the voting.

[CCC]

Okay. So, I'm willing to seriously consider the possibility that Vedith is actually a backup PR. And if that

is

true, then he is Town.

Which, in turn, implies Backhand as scum.

So...

VOTE: Backhand

[Cheetory6]

Or doctor dies tonight with whoever they have cleared still unknown? I really feel like it shouldn't be that hard to piece together things like this at this point.
If they have information to bring forward they should, a guilty and an innocent result is like the equivalent of a cop claiming with a guilty and an innocent and if there's any other PRs that can narrow down things (ie: roleblocker or tracker, etc) then having one less scumslot in the game makes PoE even easier.

Even if there's more potential utility from the role, having the possibility of that information being lost for good isn't really worth the what.. 1 in 9 chance of doctor saving someone again? Scum have way better odds of shooting a potential doctor tonight.

[Cheetory6]

I'm also really hoping that either vedith gets outright CCed or kraska is just right that vedith is town,
because there's also the scary possibility of vedith being a scum backup.
:/

[CCC]

Or doctor dies tonight with whoever they have cleared still unknown? I really feel like it shouldn't be that hard to piece together things like this at this point.

If the Doctor has an innocent result within the {Hiraki; Vedith; Backhand; Grendel} group, then the argument could certainly be made that said info is worth it. But if the Doctor can only clear one of the pseudomasons, then it would be unambiguously NOT worth it (you three are already cleared). And it's even worse if the Doctor can only clear SlingshotWaffles...

Look, if I'm right about what Vedith is claiming, then the Towniest action right now would be to remove all votes from Vedith, vote for someone else (even if you think Vedith is scum, there must be a second scum), and to

shut up

about the whole business.

[MuttonChopMagic]

I don't get this setup. As in, my role confirms a townie twice while ALSO confirming myself unlike cop
as we see now, I got outed day 2 and we /still/ have virtually confirmed town (short of a 4 person scum mini there's no scenario where were scum bop)
that itself is tremendous town power. if scum shot waffles and not a vig then I don't think there's any world that was optimal cause
now there's 3 ics and a free mislynch is dead... that's not even worth a pause
doc is on me tonight because you don't know my main but I have a near flawless late game voting record
I want vedith to claim because it's important and there are 3 more important targets regardless (3 ics tomorrow is game)
so yea, actually, everyone but doc should claim (claim vt @ doc) including the neighbour cause in the end one of us ics is gonna be the kill all the same


nobody claim until kraska and cheet respond to this
but otherwise vedith -> hiraki -> grendel -> backhand -> ccc -> ntrp claim (tsk tsk)

[MuttonChopMagic]

Or doctor dies tonight with whoever they have cleared still unknown? I really feel like it shouldn't be that hard to piece together things like this at this point.

If the Doctor has an innocent result within the {Hiraki; Vedith; Backhand; Grendel} group, then the argument could certainly be made that said info is worth it. But if the Doctor can only clear one of the pseudomasons, then it would be unambiguously NOT worth it (you three are already cleared). And it's even worse if the Doctor can only clear SlingshotWaffles...

Look, if I'm right about what Vedith is claiming, then the Towniest action right now would be to remove all votes from Vedith, vote for someone else (even if you think Vedith is scum, there must be a second scum), and to

shut up

about the whole business.

I don't believe any of those people would be docced n1 anyways
who was even widely townread? just me + cheet ay?

[MuttonChopMagic]

Can someone explain at my face why CCC is town?
I'm really not seeing it.

newb town play like that a lot
lots of words, little content, moderate thought

[Cheetory6]

I don't think I was townread on D1?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I don't get this setup. As in, my role confirms a townie twice while ALSO confirming myself unlike cop
as we see now, I got outed day 2 and we /still/ have virtually confirmed town (short of a 4 person scum mini there's no scenario where were scum bop)
that itself is tremendous town power. if scum shot waffles and not a vig then I don't think there's any world that was optimal cause
now there's 3 ics and a free mislynch is dead... that's not even worth a pause
doc is on me tonight because you don't know my main but I have a near flawless late game voting record
I want vedith to claim because it's important and there are 3 more important targets regardless (3 ics tomorrow is game)
so yea, actually, everyone but doc should claim (claim vt @ doc) including the neighbour cause in the end one of us ics is gonna be the kill all the same


nobody claim until kraska and cheet respond to this
but otherwise vedith -> hiraki -> grendel -> backhand -> ccc -> ntrp claim (tsk tsk)

why am i out of this?

[NotTheRealPaul]

Do I claim? and give result? Tell mee

[kraska77]

i agree it's time for massclaim
Paul don't claim anything yet....if we go by mcm's order, you're last

[NotTheRealPaul]

oh i thought that was lynch order. lol

I'll wait then

[MuttonChopMagic]

I don't get this setup. As in, my role confirms a townie twice while ALSO confirming myself unlike cop
as we see now, I got outed day 2 and we /still/ have virtually confirmed town (short of a 4 person scum mini there's no scenario where were scum bop)
that itself is tremendous town power. if scum shot waffles and not a vig then I don't think there's any world that was optimal cause
now there's 3 ics and a free mislynch is dead... that's not even worth a pause
doc is on me tonight because you don't know my main but I have a near flawless late game voting record
I want vedith to claim because it's important and there are 3 more important targets regardless (3 ics tomorrow is game)
so yea, actually, everyone but doc should claim (claim vt @ doc) including the neighbour cause in the end one of us ics is gonna be the kill all the same


nobody claim until kraska and cheet respond to this
but otherwise vedith -> hiraki -> grendel -> backhand -> ccc -> ntrp claim (tsk tsk)

why am i out of this?

oops
you're before ntrp boo

[MuttonChopMagic]

btw, if it wasn't clear
doc being killed wouldn't matter but them being roleblocked is what I fear