Mini Normal 1920 (Game Over)

[mastina]

Formerfish is at L-2!

Chickadee is at L-2!

Twenty-seventh Votecount

:

(Ninth Votecount D2

)

Formerfish - 4 (GreyICE, Chickadee, aronagrundy, EeveeLution Army)

Chickadee - 4 (Formerfish, Lil Uzi Vert, iDanyboy, Mulch)

Lil Uzi Vert - 1 (ReplacedIn)

Not Voting - 2 (Fro99er, massive)

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

Formerfish is at L-2!
Chickadee is at L-2!

Day 2's deadline is Monday, July 24th, @ 06:00 PM PDT: (expired on 2017-07-24 20:55:40).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• Fro99er is V/LA through Thursday, July 6th.
  

[Mulch]

Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, "trust tells", alliances, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.

Mulch is correct in this instance.

Bets of essentially any kind are forbidden especially in a Normal game. Do not further this discussion.

So now you guys have to stop that stupid bet

[ReplacedIn]

LUV & GI, please stop interacting with each other for a while, reading 10+ pages of you two insulting each other isn't fun or helpful.

Also Mulch, you really need to get a grip. Take a break from the game and gather your thoughts rather than constant paranoia theories like "Grey and Uzi both scum!" please.

---

GI, I don't disagree that both LUV and FF need rope at some point in the game, I'm hoping if the former is town he's resolved via the night kill and if the latter is town there's not a lot that can be done, he's effectively a forced mslynch at some point this game. On that front we have no disagreements. But real talk time;

I'm 100% certain you're town here. I understand your argument of "I have a guilty on FF and I'm not lynching anyone else", I think that's very reasonable and know it's very much in your nature to be like that. That said there's two other worlds that exist now that you've claimed a full Cop and not a 1-shot.

World #1 is both LUV and yourself are town; Know the existence of both of your roles being town are

very

small and pretty sure LUV is wrong in that I don't think it's a combo that's ever existed inside a Mini Normal before but as someone that's been in the NRG I can outright state that setups nowadays are significantly more town sided than what they were in the past, I think Cop/Neapolitan both having modifiers with an Ascetic and mafia having a Roleblocker/Rolecop is a genuine possibility here, I can see Mastina putting together that combination thinking it's clever and knowing who reviewed it think there'd be very little 'tweaking' of the setup before it being approved. In this world the odds that you were roleblocked isn't insignificant, at minimum 1/7, higher due to you being a town read during the day phase.

World #2 is that LUV is mafia and you're town; In this world scum having a roleblocker isn't impossible either.

In both cases it's possible you were roleblocked and he's still scum and to some extent that explain a lot of the frustration he's showing in the thread since it'd be him getting caught based on the wrong reasons entirely but I also think some of his frustration here is something he'd think was a little too far as mafia too? Like odds are he's scum here 90% of the time based on his progression of his read on you being funky, him not really doing a lot of actual game solving post-claim but I don't think it's 100% impossible that you're both town here. He's dying before the end of the game, I'm just not completely sold on it being the right move today. On the other hand we know for a fact there's minimum one scum between LUV and Chickadee. I also think the tin-foil world where LUV rolecopped Chickadee and she's a Non-VT and he's made that claim as mafia just never exists, mafia don't use the rolecop on someone that claimed VT when put at L-1. Someone that's a town PR doesn't claim VT when put at L-1 and threatened with a hammer.

So there's mafia in Chickadee & LUV, now look at how Chickadees played today so far;

Spoiler:

Feels pointless coming from me, but I'll entertain your request.

Nope

Mulch, I'm curious, do you plan on being more helpful this day phase?

And Grey, I'd like to talk about you switching wagons yesterday. You were pretty set on lynching me, and then ReplacedIn mentioned I was the first to vote tchill, and that seemingly was enough to sway you.

Yes or no Chickadee, this is not optional time.

Feels pointless coming from me, but I'll entertain your request.

Nope

And I'd like to add that no one else answer Grey.

I claimed yesterday, which is why I felt find answering. And Mulch is just being trolly, so whatever.

But no one else answer, just in case it ran across your mind to do so.

Beat me to it. I really should start reading before posting.


My point still stands though.

Yea, no. I'm not getting behind any lynch with that as a basis.

Yea, I'm good with that with how things have gone so far.

VOTE: GreyICE

Mulch no

VOTE: FormerFish

Makes sense

I don't believe LUV, so I'm not going to address it. He's convinced I'm scum, and just wants me dead. If he had a confirmed guilty on me, why did he come in and vote Grey instead of me?

On the contrary. If FF flips town, I think Grey is still most likely town. It's a horrible play as scum, he'd be putting himself too early in the game.

Would also take an explanation on this, you know she's not a PR and a goon...how? That's not what your role tells you.

He's basing it on the fact that I claimed VT. I really don't care to change my claim either, and that's all I'm saying on it.

She came into the day and pushed and voted you, then moved towards your guilty with little actual progression shown in it. Had little to no reaction towards LUV claiming she's not a VT when if she's town she should know he's mafia 100% of the time, that or she's a PR that fake claimed VT when threatened with a hammer which just isn't a thing here. So uh, she's just always mafia no? Especially combined with her lurking out the day while being active elsewhere during it? Like if she's town she wants to attempt to either a) Diffuse this "LUV v Chicakdee" situation if she's somehow a PR or b) Push LUV as mafia if she's a VT.

Like, just looking at all this it's hard to see a world where it's Scum!LUV and Town!Chickadee, it's almost always either Scum!Chickadee and Town!LUV or Scum!Chickadee and Scum!LUV.

From a logic, risk minimisation and reads based on how they've handled the day phase it makes much more sense to lynch Chickadee here than anyone else?

[ReplacedIn]

Chi, you're at L-1.

Please claim so the rest of the lot can weigh in on your claim and then eventually come around to hammering your slot.

VT, nothing exciting

Read me for me LUV. I know you're good at reading me. You'll catch me if I really am scum.

Like the above is how she claimed D1, doesn't play out in that manner if she's a PR and if she's a VT she's pushing him here. So like, she just has to be mafia, no? Like if she's town she's been guiltied as town and decides to throw a vote down on FF and lurk the day phase out? Nope. Nope. Not what town does when guiltied.

[Formerfish]

Formerfish is at L-2!

Twenty-seventh Votecount

:

(Ninth Votecount D2

)

Formerfish - 4 (GreyICE, Chickadee, aronagrundy, EeveeLution Army)

Chickadee - 4 (Formerfish, Lil Uzi Vert, iDanyboy, Mulch)

Lil Uzi Vert - 1 (ReplacedIn)

Not Voting - 3 (Fro99er, gerryoat, massive)

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

Formerfish is at L-2.

Day 2's deadline is Monday, July 24th, @ 06:00 PM PDT: (expired on 2017-07-24 20:55:40).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

(+1)

Formerfish - 4 (GreyICE, Chickadee, aronagrundy,

EeveeLution Army

)

(+2)

Chickadee - 4 (Formerfish, Lil Uzi Vert,

iDanyboy

,

Mulch

)

(-2)

Not Voting - 3 (

EeveeLution Army

, Fro99er, gerryoat,

iDanyboy

, massive,

Mulch

)

Last votecount was post 1550, page 63.

Spoiler: Player Vote History Day Two

• GreyICE(1):
  Formerfish
  
• EeveeLution Army(1):
  Formerfish
  
• Fro99er(0):
  
  
• aronagrundy(3):
  Formerfish-> unvote==> Formerfish
  
• ReplacedIn(1):
  Lil Uzi Vert
  
• iDanyboy(1):
  Chickadee
  
• Mulch(10):
  Lil Uzi Vert==> Formerfish=> Unvote==> Formerfish==> GreyICE==> Formerfish=> Unvote==> Formerfish=> Unvote==> Chickadee
  
• Formerfish(2):
  GreyICE===>> Chickadee
  
• Lil Uzi Vert(4):
  GreyICE==> Formerfish==> ReplacedIn==> Chickadee
  
• Chickadee(2):
  GreyICE==> Formerfish
  
• massive(0):

Spoiler: Players Who Have BEEN Voted Day Two

1. Formerfish(9):
   GreyICE, Mulch, Lil Uzi Vert, Chickadee, aronagrundy, aronagrundy, Mulch, Mulch, EeveeLution Army
   
2. GreyICE(4):
   Lil Uzi Vert, Chickadee, Formerfish, Mulch
   
3. Lil Uzi Vert(2):
   Mulch, ReplacedIn
   
4. Chickadee(4):
   Formerfish, Lil Uzi Vert, iDanyboy, Mulch
   
5. ReplacedIn(1):
   Lil Uzi Vert

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 2

On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 07:58p,

Lil Uzi Vert

Voted

GreyICE

in post 1208.
On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 08:14p,

Chickadee

Voted

GreyICE

in post 1219.
On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 10:28p,

Mulch

Voted

Lil Uzi Vert

in post 1228.
On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 10:45p,

GreyICE

voted

Formerfish

in post 1243.
On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 11:20p,

Mulch

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1268.
On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 11:21p,

Lil Uzi Vert

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1269.
On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 11:48p,

Chickadee

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1276.
On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 11:52p,

aronagrundy

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1278.
On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 11:53p,

aronagrundy

unvoted

(Formerfish)

in post 1279.
On Tue, Jul 07/04/17 @ 09:29a,

Formerfish

Voted

GreyICE

in post 1309.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 06:00a,

aronagrundy

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1406.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 06:45a,

Mulch

Unvoted

(Formerfish)

in post 1409.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 09:57p,

Mulch

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1448.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 10:07p,

Mulch

Unvoted

(Formerfish)

in post 1454.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 10:10p,

ReplacedIn

Voted

Lil Uzi Vert

in post 1457.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 10:15p,

Lil Uzi Vert

Voted

ReplacedIn

in post 1464.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 10:20p,

Mulch

Voted

GreyICE

in post 1472.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 11:00p,

Mulch

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1521.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 11:07p,

Mulch

Unvoted

(Formerfish)

in post 1532.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 11:10p,

Mulch

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1538.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 11:11p,

Mulch

Unvoted

(Formerfish)

in post 1540.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 11:15p,

Formerfish

Unvoted

(GreyICE)

and Voted

Chickadee

in post 1547.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 11:16p,

Lil Uzi Vert

Voted

Chickadee

in post 1548.
On Thu, Jul 07/06/17 @ 06:52a,

iDanyboy

Voted

Chickadee

in post 1558.
On Thu, Jul 07/06/17 @ 09:50a,

EeveeLution Army

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1578.
On Thu, Jul 07/06/17 @ 12:43p,

Mulch

Voted

Chickadee

in post 1622.

[Formerfish]

Formerfish is at L-2!

Twenty-seventh Votecount

:

(Ninth Votecount D2

)

Formerfish - 4 (GreyICE, Chickadee, aronagrundy, EeveeLution Army)

Chickadee - 4 (Formerfish, Lil Uzi Vert, iDanyboy, Mulch)

Lil Uzi Vert - 1 (ReplacedIn)

Not Voting - 3 (Fro99er, gerryoat, massive)

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

Formerfish is at L-2.

Day 2's deadline is Monday, July 24th, @ 06:00 PM PDT: (expired on 2017-07-24 20:55:40).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

(+1)

Formerfish - 4 (GreyICE, Chickadee, aronagrundy,

EeveeLution Army

)

(+2)

Chickadee - 4 (Formerfish, Lil Uzi Vert,

iDanyboy

,

Mulch

)

(-2)

Not Voting - 3 (

EeveeLution Army

, Fro99er, gerryoat,

iDanyboy

, massive,

Mulch

)

Last votecount was post 1550, page 63.

Spoiler: Player Vote History Day Two

• GreyICE(1):
  Formerfish
  
• EeveeLution Army(1):
  Formerfish
  
• Fro99er(0):
  
  
• aronagrundy(3):
  Formerfish-> unvote==> Formerfish
  
• ReplacedIn(1):
  Lil Uzi Vert
  
• iDanyboy(1):
  Chickadee
  
• Mulch(10):
  Lil Uzi Vert==> Formerfish=> Unvote==> Formerfish==> GreyICE==> Formerfish=> Unvote==> Formerfish=> Unvote==> Chickadee
  
• Formerfish(2):
  GreyICE===>> Chickadee
  
• Lil Uzi Vert(4):
  GreyICE==> Formerfish==> ReplacedIn==> Chickadee
  
• Chickadee(2):
  GreyICE==> Formerfish
  
• massive(0):

Spoiler: Players Who Have BEEN Voted Day Two

1. Formerfish(9):
   GreyICE, Mulch, Lil Uzi Vert, Chickadee, aronagrundy, aronagrundy, Mulch, Mulch, EeveeLution Army
   
2. GreyICE(4):
   Lil Uzi Vert, Chickadee, Formerfish, Mulch
   
3. Lil Uzi Vert(2):
   Mulch, ReplacedIn
   
4. Chickadee(4):
   Formerfish, Lil Uzi Vert, iDanyboy, Mulch
   
5. ReplacedIn(1):
   Lil Uzi Vert

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 2

On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 07:58p,

Lil Uzi Vert

Voted

GreyICE

in post 1208.
On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 08:14p,

Chickadee

Voted

GreyICE

in post 1219.
On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 10:28p,

Mulch

Voted

Lil Uzi Vert

in post 1228.
On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 10:45p,

GreyICE

voted

Formerfish

in post 1243.
On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 11:20p,

Mulch

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1268.
On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 11:21p,

Lil Uzi Vert

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1269.
On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 11:48p,

Chickadee

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1276.
On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 11:52p,

aronagrundy

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1278.
On Mon, Jul 07/03/17 @ 11:53p,

aronagrundy

unvoted

(Formerfish)

in post 1279.
On Tue, Jul 07/04/17 @ 09:29a,

Formerfish

Voted

GreyICE

in post 1309.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 06:00a,

aronagrundy

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1406.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 06:45a,

Mulch

Unvoted

(Formerfish)

in post 1409.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 09:57p,

Mulch

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1448.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 10:07p,

Mulch

Unvoted

(Formerfish)

in post 1454.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 10:10p,

ReplacedIn

Voted

Lil Uzi Vert

in post 1457.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 10:15p,

Lil Uzi Vert

Voted

ReplacedIn

in post 1464.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 10:20p,

Mulch

Voted

GreyICE

in post 1472.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 11:00p,

Mulch

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1521.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 11:07p,

Mulch

Unvoted

(Formerfish)

in post 1532.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 11:10p,

Mulch

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1538.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 11:11p,

Mulch

Unvoted

(Formerfish)

in post 1540.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 11:15p,

Formerfish

Unvoted

(GreyICE)

and Voted

Chickadee

in post 1547.
On Wed, Jul 07/05/17 @ 11:16p,

Lil Uzi Vert

Voted

Chickadee

in post 1548.
On Thu, Jul 07/06/17 @ 06:52a,

iDanyboy

Voted

Chickadee

in post 1558.
On Thu, Jul 07/06/17 @ 09:50a,

EeveeLution Army

Voted

Formerfish

in post 1578.
On Thu, Jul 07/06/17 @ 12:43p,

Mulch

Voted

Chickadee

in post 1622.

Not to be a brat, but you have 2 people at l-2.

[nancy]

I can confirm that gerryoat is in fact dead.

(The error was carried over from the first VC, which I have now corrected, along with all VCs since.)

[GreyICE]

Okay, but see it from my perspective. When I got this role I made a list of all the cute interactions that could be in the game:

Jailkeeper - Doctor who turns me paranoid for the night
Roleblocker - Scum framer
Town Ascetic - Miller
Commuter - bulletproof miller
Hider - No, for power reasons (two cops)

I assumed two, if not three of them exist. But look at how Neapolitan interacts with these.

Roleblocker - they're... roleblocked
Jailkeeper - They're... jailkept
Ascetic - No result... (not even "not vanilla")
Commuter - No result (not even "not vanilla")

It's the least elegant thing ever. Maybe, maybe it would be okay from a power standpoint if there was nothing else relevant in the game. But from the standpoint of a compelling setup? It's so fucking random. These are two answers to the question of "how do you make a weaker cop?" They've made cops that get confirmed guilties and unconfirmed innocents (Trackers), but these?

Neapolitan - cop who gets confirmed innocents, but no confirmed guilties
Loyal cop - cop who gets confirmed innocents, but no confirmed guilties

This is just derpy to the extreme. In a really non-Mastina way, because no one looks at this hypothetical setup and goes "it looks clever" they look at it and go "what a mess". This exact mess is exactly what I'd expect every time if that's the setup, and that's horrible. So the guilty is as useful as fins on a pig.

The other thing is I have to trust these people who don't want to lynch FormerFish. Mulch in particular is willing to throw aside all logic because "he sounds town". They're going to let him live. They're going to let him live to LyLo with a cop guilty on him, then they're going to have their own personal grudges and lynch someone they dislike in LyLo. You know this is exactly the sort of town for that horror to occur.

Chickadee will die before LyLo. FormerFish is the scum that wins the damn game, and we lynch him here.

[Formerfish]

I could be the mislynch that scum keeps trying for and can't get.

[ReplacedIn]

GreyICE, I think going with a hard "Mastina wouldn't make this setup" attitude is wrong, the NRG and Mastina personally consider balance and design very differently then what I and yourself think should be the case. I've stopped joining reviews due to this, I won't go into it any more than that but you'll need to trust me that this isn't

impossible

to be a designed setup. Do I think if that's the setup it's messy and silly? Yes. Do I think the review process might not have thought that when designing and passing the setup? Sadly, yes.

And I think you're overly worried about FF, he's not endgaming if he's scum. He's absolutely not. This town is bad, sure, but if you ever get night killed he'd be speed lynched directly afterwards, pretty certain of that. I don't think this should be a lynch based on "who is scarier and might beat us later" but a "who is more obviously mafia based on logic/play" and Chickadee fits that for me via today.

[GreyICE]

If the review process has really degraded to the point where shit like this is acceptable then this site is dead. Any review committee that lets that sort of setup by should be summarily dismissed and replaced by random scummers. The goal of a normal is to maintain a balanced sense of gameplay with good variety from the roles without them becoming overly intrusive into gameplays. Guilties are fine. This "would they wouldn't they" of interlocking stupid roles is anything but.

That being said my opinion of the MafiaScum moderators probably couldn't be lower. Consider this my review of their performance.

Vote: Chickadee

[EeveeLution Army]

If the review process has really degraded to the point where shit like this is acceptable then this site is dead. Any review committee that lets that sort of setup by should be summarily dismissed and replaced by random scummers. The goal of a normal is to maintain a balanced sense of gameplay with good variety from the roles without them becoming overly intrusive into gameplays. Guilties are fine. This "would they wouldn't they" of interlocking stupid roles is anything but.

That being said my opinion of the MafiaScum moderators probably couldn't be lower. Consider this my review of their performance.

Vote: Chickadee

Although perhaps there is something that makes these other roles make sense?

[ReplacedIn]

I mean this got passed with a Gunsmith, Vig, Odd Night Cop v 2 Goons and an Odd night roleblocker or Mastinas last setup here where town had an Ascetic+Gunsmith+Vig+2-Shot Tracker v 2 Goons and a Fruit Vendor it's a pretty clear point towards setups being much more town sided than in the past or what I'd consider level.

Very much considering hammering here. If anyone doesn't think Chickadee is mafia they need to speak up now.

[EeveeLution Army]

I mean this got passed with a Gunsmith, Vig, Odd Night Cop v 2 Goons and an Odd night roleblocker or Mastinas last setup here where town had an Ascetic+Gunsmith+Vig+2-Shot Tracker v 2 Goons and a Fruit Vendor it's a pretty clear point towards setups being much more town sided than in the past or what I'd consider level.

Very much considering hammering here. If anyone doesn't think Chickadee is mafia they need to speak up now.

Did games used to be scumsided? Or just less townsided?

[ReplacedIn]

Games used to have less town power and more scum power, there was a transition towards reducing the mafia power to 'balance' games which was logical and had a lot of backing behind it that Hoopla had brought up. More recently normals have had more town power than previously though and it's due to town having a lower win rate than what they should and the NRG trying to balance bad play/bad players with more town power, it's not a change I approve of at all. Anyway this is mostly irrelevant more just a "LUV and Grey could both plausibly be legit, it's not a one

has

to be mafia" thing.

Considering you'er voting FF currently got any issue with me hammering Chickadee at some stage soon?

[GreyICE]

Games used to be fairly well designed. Or at least there was an era where they weren't total shit. Although me being a big push for less "each town role has a matching mafia counter" has apparently morphed into "the town is lol overpowered hello town of salem"

Like Odd night cop/odd night roleblocker is a pair where if you lynch the roleblocker early the cop is damn near confirmed due to interaction. The second one is just a mess from a design perspective. 2-shot tracker? I mean tracker is a weak role in the first place, why is the weakest town role in the setup also 2-shot? And what's the fruit vendor even doing? Interacting with the tracker that only has two shots? It's complete garbage.

I am an advocate that 10:3 needs to have town sided power roles since scum will win a 10:3 vanilla probably 95%+ of the time (seriously, the stats on 10:2 are like 90% scum wins), but those setups are more than a little garbage. I'll agree with my pal, tentatively.

Fact is, good principles of a normal design: The game shall be focused on scumhunting, not role discussion. Interactions shall be simple - when someone is counterclaimed it's a 50/50, when a guilty shows up it's reasonably easy to deduce what circumstances it might fall apart or what might have happened, the scum generally rule the night but not to the level of having a full counter to every town power. The game shall not become town sided due to mass claim, nor shall claims overlap in such a way that you have to play will they/won't they with the designer. The scum will have to play well during the day to win, the town should need either decent night and day play or exceptional day play to win. A good rule of thumb is one scum outed due to power roles, two townies cleared due to power roles, with the potential for more or less based on play.

[EeveeLution Army]

Hmm. I only have a slight townread on chickadee from MMMs reactions. I wouldn't 100% oppose it. But i couldn't stop you if you wanted to hammer.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hmm. I only have a slight townread on chickadee from MMMs reactions. I wouldn't 100% oppose it. But i couldn't stop you if you wanted to hammer.

This is inexcusable at this point.

I am claiming a guilty on the slot. Do you not believe and if so why?

[ReplacedIn]

Agree with LUV here, you've got to have a much stronger stance of idea based on what's played out today then that.

Games used to be fairly well designed. Or at least there was an era where they weren't total shit. Although me being a big push for less "each town role has a matching mafia counter" has apparently morphed into "the town is lol overpowered hello town of salem"

Was moreso addressing the "Both roles can't be in the same setup" via power strength, weird interactions are in almost every game nowadays, this mini normal had 5 JOATs, 4 town, 1 scum, this had two town BG's and a JK with mafia having a RB and a Strongman shot. Like almost anything is possible nowadays so would never really go with the "never together" type stance.

[EeveeLution Army]

Hmm. I only have a slight townread on chickadee from MMMs reactions. I wouldn't 100% oppose it. But i couldn't stop you if you wanted to hammer.

This is inexcusable at this point.

I am claiming a guilty on the slot. Do you not believe and if so why?

I don't trust your claim to be honest. But then again scum wouldn't fake claim a pr this early. Which is why i don't 100% oppose it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hmm. I only have a slight townread on chickadee from MMMs reactions. I wouldn't 100% oppose it. But i couldn't stop you if you wanted to hammer.

This is inexcusable at this point.

I am claiming a guilty on the slot. Do you not believe and if so why?

I don't trust your claim to be honest. But then again scum wouldn't fake claim a pr this early. Which is why i don't 100% oppose it.

Do you not trust it for the same reasons Grey says he doesn't?

[EeveeLution Army]

I just don't think you are completely town but i don't have enough evidence to push you as scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You're going to be waiting a long time ELA if you're still waiting for the LMK slot to give content today. There's also nothing Frogger can say to prevent what has to happen today and he can still give his take on today tomorrow if he's still alive.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I just don't think you are completely town but i don't have enough evidence to push you as scum.

Fine but sitting on Fish now does nothing to help you figure thing out but actually hammering does since it allows the game to continue.

[EeveeLution Army]

Which is why i said i didn't oppose the guy hammering