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[kraska77]

Let's lynch grendel guys

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ughgeg

VOTE: grendel

ftr i dont have a good feeling about this but i dont really see a better choice with vedith's claim

[NotTheRealPaul]

baaaaaaah

VOTE: Grendel

[Vedith]

V/LA over the weekend! Have fun all! \o/

[MuttonChopMagic]

I can't properly analyze the setup without knowing if we have an actual rolestopper/doctor claim.
I don't know if it's worth the claim... probably not? something had to have stopped any n1 maim
unless scum decided a n1 no kill gambit was worth faking /backup rolestopper/... seems unlikely as fuck
so idk... idk.. I'm confused and stuck

[implosion]

Vote Count 3.7

Grendel (4): Hiraki, kraska77, gigabyteTroubadour, NotTheRealPaul
Hiraki (1): MuttonChopMagic
Vedith (1): Vedith
Backhand (1): CCC

Not Voting (3): Cheetory6, Backhand, Grendel


With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is at 7:00 PM PST on Wenesday, July 12, in (expired on 2017-07-12 19:00:00).

[Cheetory6]

Competing wagonsssss
VOTE: Hiraki

[Backhand]

I can't properly analyze the setup without knowing if we have an actual rolestopper/doctor claim.
I don't know if it's worth the claim... probably not? something had to have stopped any n1 maim
unless scum decided a n1 no kill gambit was worth faking /backup rolestopper/... seems unlikely as fuck
so idk... idk.. I'm confused and stuck

Some claim thoughts:

Motion Detector and Rolestopper are not necessarily town roles.
Paranoia over no-kills should be kept in mind, but *probably* someone was saved by the Rolestopper N1 and so there's not much reason to reveal. Maybe if you targeted someone who wasn't already confirmed it would be? Interested in other's thoughts on that.

That said--a doctor or other protective role probably should claim though because it would indicate that vedith is lying.

NTRP, what were your results?

Also, VOTE: Hiraki

This is a good competing wagon and I support it.

[CCC]

Rolestopper (or Doctor) should most certainly not claim. Just keep protecting MCM, and Town is basically guaranteed a win.

Now, assuming that all PR role reveals have been truthful; scum has a good chance of being Backhand/Grendel. The setup as it stands does look rather Townsided to me (having a Cop-equivalent in MCM and a Doctor-equivalent in the Rolestopper). I know that in newbie games, last I looked at that grid, the only way to end up with both Cop and Doc involved the Scum getting a Roleblocker. A Scum Roleblocker is, I think, still very much a possibility (if so, I expect he tried to roleblock MCM on Night 2 but was thwarted by the Rolestopper)

The other option for a Scum Power Role, of course, is our Motion Detector (and his backup). Scum could certainly do with a way to look for and identify the Rolestopper, and a Motion Detector seems like a good way to give the Scumteam this capability; an NTRP/Hiraki scumteam is very much on the cards.

A third option is that Vedith is lying; that we actually have a Doctor instead of a Rolestopper and Vedith is relying on the Doctor not speaking up to get away with his lie. (If anyone dies and flips Doctor, then Vedith needs to get lynched the very next day). (That we don't have a protective role at all seems unlikely - scum could have faked the Night One kill, but why not hit MCM on Night Two unless they were trying to dodge a Protective role?)

Between those two options, I have to say, I think Backhand/Grendel is the more likely scumteam. On the whole, I'm happy to vote for either of them today.

VOTE: Grendel

Note: This puts Grendel at L-1

That said--a doctor or other protective role probably should claim though because it would indicate that vedith is lying.

I

firmly

disagree. The Doctor is better used protecting MCM in order to ensure the expansion of the pseudomasons. (If the scum are lucky enough to hit the Doctor tonight, then we'll know immediately on the flip in any case).

When there is only one scum left, then the Doctor (if present) can reveal himself.

[Backhand]

I'm not sure I agree but I see where you're coming from on the claim stuff--but

man

nero played you hard by self-hammering so I wouldn't be on the wagon.

I guess you can say I was pretending, but I was at no point unhappy with and multiple times actively supported a nero lynch.

[Cheetory6]

Meh.

Intent.

[Grendel]

Please don't hammer until I give my final reads. I'll probably need a day or two to get them together.

This roster in general has been a trial since the majority of people I've been town reading the whole game are the same people that at most inclined to think I'm scum. >.>

[Grendel]

VOTE: Backhand

Its probably BackhandxHiraki (Like I've been saying the whole game)

I could possibly sub Giga in either position because they clearly know I'm town at this point.

I'll look at every player just to be safe.

[Cheetory6]

Why vote Backhand over Hiraki when Hiraki is the counterwagon?

[CCC]

VOTE: Backhand

Its probably BackhandxHiraki (Like I've been saying the whole game)

Before the mass claim, I would have agreed that this was a strong possibility; but how do you fit this around Hiraki and NTRP's claims?

(Mind you, BackhandxGigabyte is not impossible).

[Grendel]

Ok I'm done reading both accpuntant and nero's iso's
Accountant waltzed into the game saying it's full of VIs, and spent a good portion of day 1 piling on notsure, gamma and waffles. Accountant iso emanates lots of confidence in surviving till endgame, we already know that 3/4 people they pushed either flipped green or are confirmed town at this point. With the exceptions of backhand. Halfway through day one accountant switched gears and campained strongly for a backhand wagon...., dpesnt make much sense for a widely townread accountant who is strongly manipulating the flow of the game, to get off the lynchbaits that everyone wanted lynched and bus backhand instead

You're dead wroung btw

Accountant is known for being a hard busser. They bus when they are confidant, not just because they think they needed town cred.

Pre-edit

Why vote Backhand over Hiraki when Hiraki is the counterwagon?

Because of the two Hirkai is getting lynched in the future. Back back will probably slip past everybodies radar and into the end game.

There for I don't need to voice my suspicions against Hiraki like I do Back Hand

[Grendel]

Why vote Backhand over Hiraki when Hiraki is the counterwagon?

I also decided I'm the correct lynch today btw.

I'm not going to get my counter wagons "lynched", I just want to box then in the best I can.

Like I'd have to be an idoit to believe that people are going to listen to me at this point. Therefore my flip is optimal vs being wroung on one of {Hiraki/Backhand} today, and getting lynched tomorrow.

[Grendel]

VOTE: Backhand

Its probably BackhandxHiraki (Like I've been saying the whole game)

Before the mass claim, I would have agreed that this was a strong possibility; but how do you fit this around Hiraki and NTRP's claims?

(Mind you, BackhandxGigabyte is not impossible).

Scum-Back-Up

Read my posts ccc

[Backhand]

VOTE: Backhand

Its probably BackhandxHiraki (Like I've been saying the whole game)

Before the mass claim, I would have agreed that this was a strong possibility; but how do you fit this around Hiraki and NTRP's claims?

(Mind you, BackhandxGigabyte is not impossible).

Scum-Back-Up

Read my posts ccc

Right, the Motion Detector and the Backup Motion Detector could both be either alignment. For that matter, so could the Backup Rolestopper, so Vedith shouldn't be off the hook either (even if the claim was confirmed, which its not)

[kraska77]

I'm not talking about towncredit. Accountant loses more by bussing a backhand scumbuddy when the game was riddled with lynchbait, bussing was not necessary at all at that point

[NotTheRealPaul]

Results:

N1 forgot to watch

N2: Watched MCM and saw motion

I dont see who made motion on what so pretty much I can only check BT claims and make sure they are in fact VT :/

[NotTheRealPaul]

VT*

[Grendel]

Ugh I think this is town vedith...vedith vote grendel with me pls
Giga is definitely town here...grendel continues to distance himself from the main happenings of the game and wallposts on an outside shot instead... he's scum
Backhand, giga, vedith and Paul are town
That leaves hiraki and ccc as candidates for last scum
VOTE: grendel

Your case is a total mischaractizion for what I was trying to achieve and an assumption that I wouldn't get to "The Main Happenings" when the "Main Happenings" revolved around waiting for Vedith to post something AI. There was nothing to add to that that hadn't already been said.

From here on out you need to put more effort into the game. Being conftown doesn't just keep lazy reads. Go back and actually read the stuff I said about Giga. Don't dismiss it because if they are scum they will rely on you heavy into lylo to win.

[Cheetory6]

N2: Watched MCM and saw motion

Jesus dude.
:/

[Cheetory6]

I dont see who made motion on what so pretty much I can only check BT claims and make sure they are in fact VT :/

You recognize this and yet you still targeted a non-VT claim?