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[Cheetory6]

easy way to test if rolestopper is a town role
if I die OR vedith doesn't receive my pm tonight (roleblocker - it would go through otherwise cause not loyal) then the rolestopper is scum and the world is whole

also, if the above happens, we probably need to rope vedith too
I still think he's scum but I'm leaving it for my masons who townread him like fools

You said not to hammer before you did things.
Are you still planning on doing things or no?

[Hiraki]

If you give me reads and I think they're real, I'll devote my energy for the rest of today to getting CCC lynched.
If you're town this is me trying to pull you up out of apathy into doing something.
Give me reasons why you feel like people are less likely to be scum than CCC/Grendel.
Preferably like 1-2 points for each.

Deal -

Grendel -> CCC (only here because I realize that I need to start compromising) -> Backhand -> Cheetory (unless he's a neighbor now?)

As a reminder, here is my list. I'm not going to explain any TRs on these people because I still have major grievances with their play which I have stated earlier. If you need me to also help you find them, then let me know.

This leaves:

Vedith - this is the only one i'm willing to be wrong on. I don't see scum!Vedith coming out with a wagon and pulling his rainbow reads rather than fakeclaiming something absurd in order to produce a mislynch. I also have major problems with covfefe being scum based on reads.

gigabyteTroubadour - I have a hard time reconciling the fact that Grendel would push this weirdly on a buddy by just saying that gigabyte can be scum. Additionally, I have a hard time understanding why scum wouldn't just buss rather than take the time to explain to me what I was missing at the end of D2. The chances of giga flipping town are near zero.

MuttonChopMagic - i'm not actually explaining this; gg if he's scum

NotTheRealPaul - as you already said, it's a death sentence for me now if I'm a backup to a scum PR. not really worth to actually go into my history and find everything that i've already explained about his play. the biggest thing is the transfer of my SR to a TR during D1 for him being a scummy dude and then transferring all of that scumminess into town. Once his wagon dissipates, I try to interact with him the least based on his loose lips found on D1. Therefore, I realize that this read doesn't look the most solid (and now looks WORSE because I am his back-up) but it's there either way.

kraska77 - honestly feel that she's more town than MCM at points but mainly because our opinions align more than MCM's. Looking back at my ISO, the stuff that me and Kraska were on point about was Grendel's SR on me.

[Hiraki]

Vote: CCC

[MuttonChopMagic]

easy way to test if rolestopper is a town role
if I die OR vedith doesn't receive my pm tonight (roleblocker - it would go through otherwise cause not loyal) then the rolestopper is scum and the world is whole

also, if the above happens, we probably need to rope vedith too
I still think he's scum but I'm leaving it for my masons who townread him like fools

You said not to hammer before you did things.
Are you still planning on doing things or no?

grendel is no longer about to be roped
I was going to tell people hiraki should be the lynch we chose

[Cheetory6]

I have a hard time reconciling the fact that Grendel would push this weirdly on a buddy by just saying that gigabyte can be scum. Additionally, I have a hard time understanding why scum wouldn't just buss rather than take the time to explain to me what I was missing at the end of D2. The chances of giga flipping town are near zero.

I don't understand this.
You're not acting like you're confident about Grendel being scum, so you saying that your townread on Giga here is dependent on your scumread on Grendel is strange?
The confidence level too.
Like, you're not even saying that you find Giga's play town, you're basing this read entirely on Grendel. You've got a list of players you think could be scum, so I don't understand how you've eliminated the possibility of CCC/Backhand scumteam and you've openly admitted that you think scumVedith is a possibility.
This don't jive at all, especially not with your reasoning of "oh well I guess Grendel is a PoE read".

CCC (only here because I realize that I need to start compromising)

Were you implying that he should be lower or higher on this list?

[Vedith]

You know what.
I'm not actually against a CCC lynch.
What really lost him credit is when I said it was Hiraki/Backhand he said that if I flip town then I'm right and he will lynch who I said.
It appeared to be him setting up a mis lynch after mine.

One, Vedith is Town. He really has solved the game; the solution is above.

Two, Vedith is scum. He is lying through his teeth.

Personally, I think that the second is more likely. And on the off-chance that he does flip Town - well, then we'd have a completely solved game and just need to go through the lynches.

Although it's rare for me to ever be wrong, CCC is pushing for me to be Scum or fight here.

VOTE: CCC

Pedit - Hiraki isn't flipping Scum with that claim.

[Cheetory6]

Hiraki isn't flipping Scum with that claim.

Why

[MuttonChopMagic]

Vedith - this is the only one i'm willing to be wrong on. I don't see scum!Vedith coming out with a wagon and pulling his rainbow reads

rather than fakeclaiming something absurd

in order to produce a mislynch. I also have major problems with covfefe being scum based on reads.

all conf town posted and no objecting so vedith
claim time, let's see this

Oh wait, all confirmed said go.

I am town back up rolestopper.

[Vedith]

Difference is I said mine first. Scum are more likely to claim a back up before someone else.
To you, Hiraki should be confirmed more town than me.

[Cheetory6]

And if he's a scum backup motion detector?

[Vedith]

I dont believe that both Scum claimed motion detector.

[Cheetory6]

I'm not saying it's a fakeclaim.
What if he actually is the role Backup Motion Detector as scum and Paul is Motion Detector as town?

[Vedith]

If Hiraki is Scum so is NTRP.
So No, I don't believe it.

Also town motion detector is a useless role for Scum without a counter role.

[MuttonChopMagic]

Difference is I said mine first. Scum are more likely to claim a back up before someone else.
To you, Hiraki should be confirmed more town than me.

Vedith - this is the only one i'm willing to be wrong on. I don't see scum!Vedith coming out with a wagon and pulling his rainbow reads

rather than fakeclaiming something absurd

in order to produce a mislynch. I also have major problems with covfefe being scum based on reads.

all conf town posted and no objecting so vedith
claim time, let's see this

Oh wait, all confirmed said go.

I am town back up rolestopper.

easy way to test if rolestopper is a town role
if I die OR vedith doesn't receive my pm tonight (roleblocker - it would go through otherwise cause not loyal) then the rolestopper is scum and the world is whole

also, if the above happens, we probably need to rope vedith too

I still think he's scum

but I'm leaving it for my masons who townread him like fools

vedith is basically just spewing fallacies left and right
idk if it's him being scum or just cocky and ignorantlike

[Cheetory6]

If Hiraki is Scum so is NTRP.

Lol.
No.

I don't even understand what your gripe is with the idea of scum having a backup of a town role to let them have an idea about what's in the setup.
Normal games are going to give town more power than scum because that's the way the percentage works.
As an NRG reviewer, I would probably put a stamp of approval on a game with

Town:

2-Shot Loyal Friendly Neighbor, Rolestopper, Backup Rolestopper, Motion Detector

Scum:

Backup Motion Detector, Goon, Goon

I would probably not sign off on

Town:

2-Shot Loyal Friendly Neighbor, Rolestopper, Backup Rolestopper

Mafia:

3 Goons

If your connection between Hiraki/Paul is greater than their claims you should say so and explain, because it more reads like you just don't really understand how normal games are typically balanced.

[MuttonChopMagic]

If Hiraki is Scum so is NTRP.
So No, I don't believe it.

Also town motion detector is a useless role for Scum without a counter role.

[Vedith]

vedith is basically just spewing fallacies left and right
idk if it's him being scum or just cocky and ignorantlike

I thought you said you were good late game.

[Vedith]

If Hiraki is Scum so is NTRP.

Lol.
No.

I don't even understand what your gripe is with the idea of scum having a backup of a town role to let them have an idea about what's in the setup.
Normal games are going to give town more power than scum because that's the way the percentage works.
As an NRG reviewer, I would probably put a stamp of approval on a game with

Town:

2-Shot Loyal Friendly Neighbor, Rolestopper, Backup Rolestopper, Motion Detector

Scum:

Backup Motion Detector, Goon, Goon

I would probably not sign off on

Town:

2-Shot Loyal Friendly Neighbor, Rolestopper, Backup Rolestopper

Mafia:

3 Goons

If your connection between Hiraki/Paul is greater than their claims you should say so and explain, because it more reads like you just don't really understand how normal games are typically balanced.

I'm pretty sure in normal you cant backup a town role as Scum.
So I probably won't listen to you going forward.

[MuttonChopMagic]

hey cheet wanna kill vedith or nah
not that it matters but day 3 isn't late game either brah

[Cheetory6]

The idea is that it gives them information on the setup and something to claim.
There's nothing that says that scum can't have backup of a town role and just not inherit it, and without a motion detector in the game I don't think this is balanced.
Stop being an elitist.
If I'm wrong explain why instead of being an asshole for no reason.

[Vedith]

hey cheet wanna kill vedith or nah
not that it matters but day 3 isn't late game either brah

So what day do you actually git gud?

[Cheetory6]

hey cheet wanna kill vedith or nah
not that it matters but day 3 isn't late game either brah

Probably just stubborn town tbh.

[Cheetory6]

Honestly Hiraki pretty much scumclaimed with that last readlist.

[Vedith]

The idea is that it gives them information on the setup and something to claim.
There's nothing that says that scum can't have backup of a town role and just not inherit it, and without a motion detector in the game I don't think this is balanced.
Stop being an elitist.
If I'm wrong explain why instead of being an asshole for no reason.

Show me a normal game with a backup Scum to a town or even the other way round.
I've never seen it and it doesn't seem like it would be allowed in a normal game.
I just looked at backup but it doesn't state if it can or not.

[Cheetory6]

@Implosion

: Can scum have a backup of a town role?