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[aronagrundy]

can we just lynch formerfish already?

he's flailing. His words are indignant but keeps on acting like greyice might not be scum after all...? Like his vote on greyice and he said he was 1V1ing him. Grey should be confirmed scum to him. His attitude makes no sense for town here.

I explained formerfish flailing here^^

[aronagrundy]

@arona -- and you're just willing to go along with the result instead of figure out if the result is valid or not?

how was FF flailing? Just because you townread GI means he's got a confirmed guilty? No. Chick was far more a confirmed guilty. Claimed VT, LUV's result said not VT. So unless you thought LUV was scum gambiting to get Chick lynched, then you fail there. And that wasn't the push you made.

how do you suggest figuring it out?

[aronagrundy]

Also I null read massive. I still have a gut feeling about scum lurking, but his posts do seem genuine

[GreyICE]

lol that's all it took?

Fuck no, I wanted to lynch your slot day 1. To my mind still at least equal to the tchill lynch and possibly equal to the MMM one. You're slotted as scum already, you don't start with a blank slate. You start with your predecessor's role PM, and let me say that's a big drawback to your slot.

That being said, yeah, if those posts were the only thing your slot had posted you'd still be a great lynch.

GI -- talk to me about FF vs. Chick interaction. I don't see that as scum v scum.

Really? Because FF pushing to lynch MMM without a claim and then immediately shutting up/backing down with minimal wagon organizing was one of the things that triggered my "this is a bus" sensors that lead directly to the investigation.

If you're really trying to claim that interactions made while both of them had COP GUILTIES on them are going to out your alignment... why? Chickadee gave up and stop posting without even bothering to fake "I'm a PR I just didn't want to out myself day 1" so clearly she didn't give even the half a shit necessary to make up something. FF doubled down on his push. I don't see how this is consistent with a town/scum pair at all. Why wouldn't scum-Chickadee bother to at least try and fake "I'm a 2-shot doctor" or something to push the lynch onto FF... unless that wouldn't help her win condition anyway?

Your logic is bad, and does not outweigh a guilty. Your slot is bad, and has been bad for a long time. This is why you're the day 3 lynch.

[GreyICE]

*Day 4.

[Mulch]

Just popping in to say frogger is mod cleared townie

[GreyICE]

wtf

[GreyICE]

If there's three fucking strong investigative roles in this game in the normal queue we're shipping this game to the black hole of "fuck your fucking review committee"

[Mulch]

<<< Additional note: A prod is outstanding on LmkGuy. He may no longer post in-thread obviously, but should he fail to respond to the prod via PM, we will be replacing him. There will be no need for a deadline extension/pause as we have a replacement lined up in the case where he fails to show up. >>>

If lmkguy was wolf mastina wouldent mention the part about responding to the prod


VIA PM

They woild just post in wolf chat


Also, the odds of mastina THINKING about him responding to it as pm means they are subconsciously thinking he's a villager

[Mulch]

Like he's technically not mod cleared townie but the evidence is irrefutable

[Fro99er]

also why the hell are we claiming that formerfish is town for pushing chickadee? What else was he supposed to do? The fact that luv guiltied her before formerfish said anything about her negates any talk of intiative tbh

It's not that he pushed for her. It's the *way* he pushed for her. It was different. He pushed hard. Chickadee half assed voted FF. A scum scum interaction is almost always either two half hearted ones because they both got guiltied, or at that point you try to bus the shit out of each other.

FF pushed Uzi to get on chick, even after Uzi said he knew chick was scum yet hadn't voted her. FF could have spun wifom, could have tried to propose things around setup spec. Nope, he went for Chick.

Chick folded and just plopped a vote on FF.

And massive was like "WIFOM I'm confused"

[Fro99er]

@arona -- and you're just willing to go along with the result instead of figure out if the result is valid or not?

how was FF flailing? Just because you townread GI means he's got a confirmed guilty? No. Chick was far more a confirmed guilty. Claimed VT, LUV's result said not VT. So unless you thought LUV was scum gambiting to get Chick lynched, then you fail there. And that wasn't the push you made.

how do you suggest figuring it out?

I've given some thoughts. Maybe scum have an odd-night roleblocker, or a non-consecutive one. Maybe town has a rolestopper (wouldn't be impossible given we have a confirmed macho role and a claimed ascetic) and chose to rolestop FF for whatever reason (if this is the case, do NOT out this). Maybe GI is scum (again, this is highly unlikely).

But you're putting no thought into this and just saying "FF flailed" and "there's a guilty"

[Fro99er]

Also I null read massive. I still have a gut feeling about scum lurking, but his posts do seem genuine

that's it?

Are you even going to try?

[Fro99er]

Really? Because FF pushing to lynch MMM without a claim and then immediately shutting up/backing down with minimal wagon organizing was one of the things that triggered my "this is a bus" sensors that lead directly to the investigation.

Where was this?

[Fro99er]

I've given some thoughts. Maybe scum have an odd-night roleblocker, or a non-consecutive one. Maybe town has a rolestopper (wouldn't be impossible given we have a confirmed macho role and a claimed ascetic) and chose to rolestop FF for whatever reason (if this is the case, do NOT out this). Maybe GI is scum (again, this is highly unlikely).

Town Jailkeeper also possible (also should NOT out).

[Fro99er]

tbh town JK makes the most sense given macho. Or a rolestopper, but I'm not sure why a town rolestopper would target FF unless they strongly townread them.

[aronagrundy]

<<< Additional note: A prod is outstanding on LmkGuy. He may no longer post in-thread obviously, but should he fail to respond to the prod via PM, we will be replacing him. There will be no need for a deadline extension/pause as we have a replacement lined up in the case where he fails to show up. >>>

If lmkguy was wolf mastina wouldent mention the part about responding to the prod


VIA PM

They woild just post in wolf chat


Also, the odds of mastina THINKING about him responding to it as pm means they are subconsciously thinking he's a villager

You can still make them pm you. I think I did this my first time modding so that players wouldn't make the assumption you're making lol

[GreyICE]

<<< Additional note: A prod is outstanding on LmkGuy. He may no longer post in-thread obviously, but should he fail to respond to the prod via PM, we will be replacing him. There will be no need for a deadline extension/pause as we have a replacement lined up in the case where he fails to show up. >>>

If lmkguy was wolf mastina wouldent mention the part about responding to the prod


VIA PM

They woild just post in wolf chat


Also, the odds of mastina THINKING about him responding to it as pm means they are subconsciously thinking he's a villager

That's really outguessing the mod hard.

No.

[GreyICE]

Really? Because FF pushing to lynch MMM without a claim and then immediately shutting up/backing down with minimal wagon organizing was one of the things that triggered my "this is a bus" sensors that lead directly to the investigation.

Where was this?

Are you wishing you read the gamethread better?

Because man, if I was going to argue that a cop guilty was due to "shenanigans" especially from someone I'm claiming to be sure is town then I'd want to read really,

really

hard. Not like "quick skim", like "read their entire ISO with a fine-tooth comb". Because man, if a townie tells me they have a conditional guilty on someone, like tracking that person to the nightkill, and I want to call them town then I'd really fucking hope I'd have read the goddamn thread enough to be able to cite everything they posted in it, from memory, at the drop of a hat.

[Fro99er]

If I was scum I'd be damn sure to be as careful as hell, I agree.

But nah, I'm taking the contrarian view, the less popular view, and sticking my neck out there as scum, and being lazy about it. Got it.

[Fro99er]

Tell me why arona is town. Because he's riding your coattails to an FF lynch? Because he's putting in no effort in sorting massive? Because he's sat there and vote parked all game?

[massive]

And massive was like "WIFOM I'm confused"

Well TBF I was WIFOM I'm confused. And it didn't seem helpful to go over possibilities in-thread when (a) they wouldn't help me get any clarity and (2) they might have given ideas to scum that they hadn't had yet. (Part of it was trying to figure out which part of Grey's D2 was gambit and which was truth, and THAT ALSO didn't seem real helpful to go over with scum.)

But that's a little misreppy, isn't it? It's not like I hadn't asked questions to try and sort it out (1561, 1565). It wasn't like I hadn't expressed my frustration at having GreyIce and LUV shouting at each other about whose guilty was going to get lynched first. Fish was at L-2 with a LOLhammer threat so there was no point putting my vote there, and I only end up not being on the Chick lynch because it goes from 3 (not even top wagon) to lynch in about three hours on a Thursday night. It's not "WIFOM I'm confused into inaction," it's circumstances.

[GreyICE]

If I was scum I'd be damn sure to be as careful as hell, I agree.

But nah, I'm taking the contrarian view, the less popular view, and sticking my neck out there as scum, and being lazy about it. Got it.

Well that's a convincing argument as to how you're not scum. But lets run with it. Out of curiosity, suppose there was a player who had made all of four posts in a game, which were quite scummy. And then he flaked. His replacement replaced in and didn't post a single game-relevant thing over the course of day 2. We then lynched a cop guilty day 3 while this player contributed nothing of value. The guilty flipped scum, giving us two dead scum going into day 4.

Now approximately speaking, what are the odds of our hypothetical sir-lurksalot surviving through LyLo? Roughly speaking? Just toss a number out there, what's the odds that no one lynches the lowest, worst-content slot in the entire game when the town has lynches to spare?

Tell me why arona is town. Because he's riding your coattails to an FF lynch? Because he's putting in no effort in sorting massive? Because he's sat there and vote parked all game?

My coattails are a note from the moderator in my inbox. Nothing on the planet can ever and will ever change that, short of Mastina flipping him. He is a cop-guilty, and if you think I'm town you should vote for him immediately. Or claim I'm scum and try to lynch me, I accept no other options.

But since you're here and talking, do tell me about FF, your 'confirmed townie based on reads'. Specifically, vote parking. I do wish to know about vote parking, and why you think it's scummy.

[ReplacedIn]

Well excluding people who have claimed and the result and what not. My highest scumread is massive now that i'm looking at his ISO. To me he feels like hes trying to question things but then doesn't really do anything with the answers. It's kinda like what i do as bored townie but its more common as scum.

Idk what to do about fro99er i dont have enough info to have a pure read on him


Also i townread you just because of how you've started to organize town and calm down the chaos, scum would just let town run around confused.

MMM's flip really doesn't idk add anything to me? I don't wanna get deep into any of MMM's wifom. The townread was mostly player meta which personally i hate and now i hate it more.

None of this is really what I was after and none of this is you really putting much effort into actually solving the game. So we'll try this again, we just lynched MMM's slot yesterday and it flipped mafia, re-read the thread and let me know how that impacts your reads. Just stating it's "WIFOM" is meaningless, peoples interactions and treatment of that slot, that slots interactions and treatments of other slots contain a lot of information to garner reads from. Also run me through this meta that you'd town read MMM based on - Link the prior game you're comparing it to if it's completed and how you thought his play here was similar to there.

Pretty much if you're town I need to see you actually playing the game because these above posts are kind of you just waiting to be told where to vote.

[GreyICE]

Mastina/Nancy: What are the rules on dueling roleblockers or roleblocker/jailkeeper interactions for this game? Are we following NAR, or are roleblockers immune to being roleblocked?

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