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[Fro99er]

if there's a RB then FF also isn't confirmed scum.

[ReplacedIn]

Unclaimed Players;
Eeve
Frogger
Massive
Mulch
iDannyBoy

Need to claim in their next post. For obvious reasons Mulch/iDanny should claim last.

[Fro99er]

I'm VT

[Formerfish]

If there is a rb then you werent blocked night 1, grey was.

[ReplacedIn]

No one should comment on Aronas claim until mass-claim has finalised (Or at least until Eeve/Massive have claimed).

[Formerfish]

did i claim?

[aronagrundy]

yeah but why would they not block grey n2?

Obviously if grey is scum I was blocked n2, but I'm not sure if that's very likely

[ReplacedIn]

Arona, you can pull up breadcrumbs you've made pre and post targeting Mulch & GreyICE while we're waiting as well as reasoning behind the N1 choice.

did i claim?

In Post 1419 and by selfvoting, pretty much?

[GreyICE]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh, god this is an awful setup if that's true.

Mass-claim time, we'll be able to work it out from there.

I nearly went into a long rant about it.

But then I sighed and considered what I already know. And sighed again.

Maybe I should just play on Town of Salem.

[aronagrundy]

i kind of feel bad because the last game i completed had all the PRs claim spontaneously for shits and gigs (cough frogger cough) but the wifom was making my head hurt...and if I was blocked n2 I was probably going to be killed tonight so I figured might as tackle the WIFOM head on

[Fro99er]

i kind of feel bad because the last game i completed had all the PRs claim spontaneously for shits and gigs (cough frogger cough) but the wifom was making my head hurt

I know nothing of what you speak of

[aronagrundy]

actually i was leaning protecting ff n1 because I had doubts on my town read on him but no one would understand my crumb (look up pittsburgh dialect lol):

Hey yinz I'm back

I targeted mulch that night because I was confident he was town. I threw this quote out d2 in case I was killed and people wondered who I targeted n1:

I don't think mulch is scum. He comes off as confused town here

This was my crumb for grey:

I'm on the same wavelength with replaced in re: grey here.

Grey is almost confirmed town to me at this point

[aronagrundy]

I wasn't too concerned about screaming that mulch was confirmed to me because he was reasonably townread

[GreyICE]

Like... Weak Doctor might be the worst scum fakeclaim in the history of the universe. You'd have fakeclaimed a role that guarantees you die before any other town PRs, you do so clearing yet another townie, you do so with a role that guarantees you die before LyLo and get lynched if you don't. To do so under the pressure of "the guy who self-voted three posts ago" would be inane. If Arona really thought that one up himself, then... gosh, I don't know what to say.

On the other hand if he claimed his actual role, then gosh... this is a very bad setup. I think I'll name it "follow the cop 2: electric boogaloo" for all the scumhunting we're doing.

[Formerfish]

yeah but why would they not block grey n2

?

Obviously if grey is scum I was blocked n2, but I'm not sure if that's very likely

Because they can frame an innocent. You know how people say there are no stupid questions? That one was stupid.

If you are scum and you have a false guilty on someone based off a block, do you confirm that guy was blocked by blocking him again, or do you allow him to push the townie he got a "no result" for?

[ReplacedIn]

I nearly went into a long rant about it.

But then I sighed and considered what I already know. And sighed again.

Maybe I should just play on Town of Salem.

Yeah, I've typed up rants about the NRG a few times re; the setups they were letting past and the direction I dislike it going but then deleted it and decided it's not worth the hassle since a) I rarely play here nowadays anyway and b) I don't think anything would be done about it.

But suffice it to say I don't think anything is 'impossible' to come up in games like this.

[GreyICE]

did i claim?

Nope, go for it.

[Formerfish]

Arona, you can pull up breadcrumbs you've made pre and post targeting Mulch & GreyICE while we're waiting as well as reasoning behind the N1 choice.

did i claim?

In Post 1419 and by selfvoting, pretty much?

I wasnt exactly saying I was a vt, I was just using that for an example. I am a vt though.

[GreyICE]

I nearly went into a long rant about it.

But then I sighed and considered what I already know. And sighed again.

Maybe I should just play on Town of Salem.

Yeah, I've typed up rants about the NRG a few times re; the setups they were letting past and the direction I dislike it going but then deleted it and decided it's not worth the hassle since a) I rarely play here nowadays anyway and b) I don't think anything would be done about it.

But suffice it to say I don't think anything is 'impossible' to come up in games like this.

Where do you play out of curiosity? Because good god I don't really have words for this shit.

[aronagrundy]

@grey

well yes, but they run the risk of the cop getting a guilty

[aronagrundy]

Like what about the wifom? they rb grey and he's like "oh lol didn't get a result again" and we're stuck wondering if grey is even telling the truth and can't figure out if we should believe his results

[Formerfish]

@grey

well yes, but they run the risk of the cop getting a guilty

He thinks he already has one on me, scum know I am not. If they let him go then they run that risk, but his dick is so hard to kill me that when I flip green town would probably kill him and they get a 2 for 1 with a pr out of the way.

[GreyICE]

Weak doctor is only very slightly worse than full cop, because clearing a townie and finding a guilty is all you can ask out of most cops, and a weak can easily do that at the cost of a lynch (and not even if someone blocks a kill). I'd consider it about the level of 2-shot Cop.

I dunno, I can see Mastina coming in here and saying "this is why you don't try to outguess the mod" but fuck that. I should be able to guess your setup isn't ass, go run your "everyone is a cop kappa" meme game in the theme queue. Or better, don't.

Anyway, yeah, it's time for everyone to claim.

[GreyICE]

Like what about the wifom? they rb grey and he's like "oh lol didn't get a result again" and we're stuck wondering if grey is even telling the truth and can't figure out if we should believe his results

And this is why I targeted iDany, my choice for "townie who might get mislynched, but who if I get back a 'No Result' I'm confident enough in my read to ignore it".

I still don't believe I wasn't roleblocked by a scum roleblocker if one exists, because without a town jailkeeper then there's no way anything I did should resolve.

And oh god are we going to spend two game phases discussing power roles in a normal game? Fuck this fucking setup in its fucking arse.

[ReplacedIn]

@GreyICE, the site I play occasionally at would rather me not mention their name here I think, they're not a fan of MS players in general. I also don't play anywhere near as much as I used to, just a game every few months or so on average and I find myself questioning why I even do that at times.

Eh fuck waiting for Massive & co to come online and claim before discussing it, too impatient.

Think the claim is very likely legitimate given a) It fits with the Macho aspect of LUV's claim b) There's not a lot of scum motivation to make this fake claim especially when there was already a discussion of "too many investigative roles" and when he was getting pressured by someone that was likely the lynch today anyway and c) The crumbs all match up, specifically I think the below one is far far far too unlikely to be fake;

actually i was leaning protecting ff n1 because I had doubts on my town read on him but no one would understand my crumb (look up pittsburgh dialect lol):

Hey yinz I'm back

I actually get town vibes from a lot of y'all so I guess I'm PoEing

Town: luv, mulch, eevee, chick, (this contradicts myself but...I changed my mind lol), gerry
Null town: grey, ff