Mini Normal 1920 (Game Over)

[Formerfish]

I pressured the Chick slot from the lead wagon position yesterday and got scum with it.

[ReplacedIn]

And oh god are we going to spend two game phases discussing power roles in a normal game? Fuck this fucking setup in its fucking arse.

A mess is the right way to describe it, if there's a RB then RB->Loyal Cop and RB->Weak Doctor interactions are just ugly and if there's no RB the existence of Loyal Cop/Weak Doctor/Neapolitan is just broken. Probably looking at scum having something like a JOAT with a 1-shot roleblocker and a rolecop maybe?

But either way pretty certain that we're looking at a block of 4 confirmed townies right now inside [GreyICE, iDannyBoy, Mulch, Arona] so this game should be won.

[GreyICE]

@GreyICE, the site I play occasionally at would rather me not mention their name here I think, they're not a fan of MS players in general. I also don't play anywhere near as much as I used to, just a game every few months or so on average and I find myself questioning why I even do that at times.

fds?

Anyway, I'm not doing anything until we've got mass claim done, this game is such a pile of shit.

[EeveeLution Army]

VT.

Grey is probably town at this point because of his massclaim push. Scum wouldnt openly push for massclaim

[Mulch]

Hmmm

[Mulch]

Confirms town

[Mulch]

[Mulch]

VOTE: eevee army

[ReplacedIn]

VT.

Grey is probably town at this point because of his massclaim push. Scum wouldnt openly push for massclaim

Please respond to Post 1923 and really the bolded is why you think GI is town?

Not because of his play in general, his claim or y'know Arona claiming to be a weak doctor that's visited GreyICE and is still alive?

[Mulch]

There's 1 or 2 scum in replaced in/ eevee

[Mulch]

Imo

[Mulch]

Just by the virtue of that statement and with so many confined towns

[ReplacedIn]

Yeah, the more I think on it the more I don't ever see Aronas claim here being fake. Very much think we're dealing with one of the following 6 teams;

1) FF-Frogger
2) FF-Massive
3) FF-Eeve
4) Frogger-Massive
5) Frogger-Eeve
6) Massive-Eeve

There's a few of those I think are unlikely to begin with but going to start reading into ISO's and narrow down that list in the next few hours.

FF, I'll take a link to the most recent game where you've been lynched as town and as mafia if you've got the time to find them for me.

Just by the virtue of that statement and with so many confined towns

If you were any other player I'd probably spend some time explaining how illogical this comment is but I think it'd fly right over your head. Will state your "Frogger is town because Mastina stated to PM him" is blatantly bad logic, it's something I (and every other mod) does regardless of the players alignment.

[ReplacedIn]

I think MMM's reads list in Post 228 points against a FF-Eeve scum team in that I think it's far less likely that MMM states 3 town reads inside the game and lists both of his partners there, not impossible but more plausible is he's got 1 there and 1 in the highlighted section.

The interaction between MMM/Eeeve from Post 229->Post 234 feels very soft and could easily see it being between partners.

I actually read the response and quote pyramid in Post 260 & Post 270 in the complete opposite way then GreyICE does in that I think the attitude between the two of Massive-MMM is actually a rather heavy indication that Massive is mafia here.

The buddying from Chickadee towards Eeve in Post 783 & Post 786 kind of makes more sense if he's actually town here?

Chickadees read on Massive inside Post 848, in fact I'll quote it below screams as a read about a partner, particularly given she'd not mentioned him beforehand at all, it's the typical 'distance with partner while not having to focus on getting them lynched at all' type read.

And Massive, Massive is hard to read. I'm null scum on him right now. He's a low content poster, but he's like that as any alignment, so it takes me a bit longer to really get a solid read on him.

Chiackdees comment about FF in Post 1353 below is the one that makes me slightly doubt FF being mafia in that it feels like she's TMI'ing as mafia there;

On the contrary. If FF flips town, I think Grey is still most likely town. It's a horrible play as scum, he'd be putting himself too early in the game.

So based on MMM/Chickadee -> Player interactions I think Massive is the most likely scum at the moment. Going to read the other direction now.

[Formerfish]

FF, I'll take a link to the most recent game where you've been lynched as town and as mafia if you've got the time to find them for me.

I will as soon as I know who you are. I don't know how well you are going to evaluate my meta without knowing who you are.

[Mulch]

I'm so lost in this game

[Mulch]

When you have to look up what all the fucking power roles are

[Mulch]

Mastina your an amazing mod but this setup stuff is confusing me to high heavens

[Mulch]

Especially with my role lol

[Mulch]

Should I massclaim my role guys? I've kind of wanted to for a while lmao

[Mulch]

But maybe since I'm conf town I shouldent

[aronagrundy]

No wait for massive

[ReplacedIn]

Please wait until Massive has claimed first, iDannyBoy and you can claim directly after him, the order between you two is irrelevant.

[ReplacedIn]

Could easily see Lmk's read on MMM in Post 336 coming from a partner, it's a super hedgy read where he ends up with a scum read on the slot but makes it clear it's not his strongest scum read. Still not really a fan of Froggers catch up posting, the reads particularly the one on FF doesn't feel fully formed reasoning-wise and certainly doesn't match his confidence in it given the situation we're in, can see him either hard-defending a partner there knowing going down to 1 is a loss or him white-knighting to try and grab town cred to better his slots position. The read and reasoning on Massive in his Post 1891 is actually really good though and points against a Frogger-Massive team existing since there's very little path to victory bussing in that manner today with him stating his preference again in Post 1965.

I will as soon as I know who you are. I don't know how well you are going to evaluate my meta without knowing who you are.

Shouldn't need to know who I am to provide links to your games. If you're going to be like this though then I won't even bother to do that meta reading.

[Formerfish]

Shouldn't need to know who I am to provide links to your games. If you're going to be like this though then I won't even bother to do that meta reading.

Fine, give me a minute. You cant blame a brother for trying to figure that out when I had a slight bit of leverage. Give me a few minutes and I can show you whatever you want.