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I've played with you at least twice, once you were in a hydra, and once in a large game I think!In post 1669, Grendel wrote:Hi Vedith!
You probably don't remember me, but I remember subbing into your slot for a game. And I think we were in another game together at one point too.
Hello!
So I am here, what's the facts of the game?
Before reading the game, I'm going to call Kraska scum, because Kraska. Other than that, where am I starting?I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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So, for a start, I don't care about your read on me, so it's a waste of an opinion towards me.In post 1689, CCC wrote:Day One, the player in your slot was... ridiculously quiet. Said basically nothing of consequence until he hit L-1, and even then said the very minimum. Was close on policy lynched, until a second wagon was started on the slot that Kraska replaced into. Eventually, the lynch was down to between PenguinPower and Kraska; PenguinPower died (flipping Town) and Kraska narrowly (very narrowly) lived.
Also, during Day One, NotTheRealPaul got a vote or two and immediately (and unnecessarily) softed a PR pretty noticeably.
Night one, there was no kill. (My theory is that the Doctor and the Mafia both hit NTRP for his PR softing)
Early in Day Two, MuttonChopMagic and Kraska revealed that Kraska had got a PM overnight stating that MuttonChopMagic was innocent. MuttonChopMagic revealed that he was a Friendly Neighbour with a 1xLoyal modifier - the fact that Kraska had received his message meant Kraska must be Townsided as well. Which means that the two of them are either both Town or both Mafia and pulling off a massive bluff. (But both Town seems more likely to me - MCM can prove that by Friendly-Neighbouring more people in future nights).
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So much for the highlights. Now, on to more speculative matters. Looking at the wagon on Not_Mafia (which is your slot - it's been through several players) yesterday, and comparing it to the votes on the proven-Townie PenguinPower lynch wagon, I notice that (if one ignores the likely-town MCM, Kraska and NTRP) three names are on both wagons - Backhand, Cheetory6, DeathRowKitty. Considering that the day one wagon on your slot was basically an easy policy lynch, the only way I can imagine that there wasn't a heavy scum presence on your wagon was if you yourself are scum. So, if you're Town, then at least one or two of those three pretty much have to be scum - while, on the flip side, if you're scum then I would assume that those three are all likely to be Town (in which case Nero Cain is very likely one of your scumbuddies).
I think you have a pretty decent chance of being scum, and the information we get from verification of your slot is massively valuable.
However, explain to me how you come to the idea that either scum was on my wagon, or all town was and I'm scum?
Backhand, Cheetory6, DeathRowKitty - What do you think of these 3 players from how they played so far?I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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NM is always silent in games. And even if not normally, I have no care.In post 1783, CCC wrote:Okay, first off, Not_Mafia was silent. I mean, really silent. He was a late sub into a slot belonging to someone who literally never posted a single in-game post.
That's how Mafia normally works, correct.In post 1783, CCC wrote:So. Two options. Either you are scum or you are not.
Again, you can consider this with others, but I don't care about it and it's a waste of response to me.In post 1783, CCC wrote:Let us consider first the case where you are scum. In this case
It's plausible that there are scum on my wagon, but I want reasons to why. Town can be bad when it comes to day 1 wagon, I'm highly unlikely to scum read someone with that information alone.In post 1783, CCC wrote:So, yeah. Either you're scum, or there's scum on your wagon.
Why were you town reading them? Gut?In post 1783, CCC wrote:Which brings us to the next point. Backhand, Cheetory, DeathRowKitty. The first two I've been Townreading; DRK I had been reading as scum but that's changed somewhat after Gigabyte replaced in. All three reads were fairly light, and tone-based, and therefore could well be wrong; before Gigabyte's replace-in, had you flipped Town, I would have wanted to vote DRK next. Now, I'm... less certain which way to pick between them.
Nonetheless. If that happens, I'll deal with it when it does. Right now, I'm thinking you're more likely to flip scum than most other players at any rate.
Why is DRK scum (or was)? give me examples why.I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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I've seen you play and I don't believe that this hasn't occured to you before.In post 1787, CCC wrote:So, you're saying that even if Not_Mafia was scum, there could still have been scum on his wagon? Or there might not have been?
...that's disturbingly plausible, and does rather reduce the information that could be gained from a Vedith lynch.I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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So that's your only reason? Because of odds, or what?In post 1790, CCC wrote:Short version: If there was no scum on your slot's wagon, and your slot was Town, then that meant that every single member of the Mafia decided not to take a easy hammer that was pretty much handed to them on a silver platter.
That's all there is to it.
Okay, so give me your entire reads now it's day 2. If you only have gut for reads today (other than mine, again, I don't care there) then we're done.In post 1790, CCC wrote:Gut. All gut, for all three of them. DRK looked slightly scummy because of some early day one posts and never did anything to change that. Posts like this one just looked rather scummish to me.I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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No, because your reason is trash.In post 1794, CCC wrote:Yep. Do you want me to put figures to that?I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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Don't lie, Mutton!In post 1812, MuttonChopMagic wrote:for the record im usually good at leading townI claim scum \o/- Vedith
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In post 1838, MuttonChopMagic wrote:today's lynch pool is {vedith, nero} for me
and slingshot but nobody else agrees
But I'm town, buddy!I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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In post 1855, Cheetory6 wrote:You should spend some more time expanding on why you're scumreading Paul.I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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I'm trying here!In post 1860, Cheetory6 wrote:Okay neat, what will it take for you to have actual reads here?
You're making a lot of posts but not really doing anything, is this just a today thing? Or a tomorrow thing?
Can I expect you to be pushing something shortly?
Are you planning on reading things and getting caught up soon?
P-Edit: Is that at me or Vedith?
I'm reading parts and trying to determine motives.
To you I'm not doing anything maybe but my posts have purpose.I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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Look, I'm going to be real for you here, Gigga. Can I do that?
So I've been given a major company project since Monday and I'm spending over 12 hours a day working on it. Normally I do fuck all at work, and therefore catch up happens a lot at work.
I'm expecting to be finished with it today (at least this stage of it). I then promise to read the game and decide who is scum tonight /tomorrow at latest.
Give me that time before lynching, and we gucci.
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If what I'm about to give you guys is from Scum, you'll end up losing as town anyway. I'm that confident.In post 1940, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:vedith! vedith! vedith!
who's the scum mvp?
vedith! vedith! vedith!
i would have thought of smth more creative but it's midnight lolI claim scum \o/- Vedith
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RAINBOW READS!!
kraska77
MuttonChopMagic
Cheetory6
CCC
gigabyteTroubadour
NotTheRealPaul
Grendel
Backhand
Hiraki
Okay guys...Here it is!
And before scum say that Implosion told me who scum are, no... I worked it out by myself.
Also, I'm a PR. A backup \o/
So, you can all start chanting my name now. I solved the game.
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Hiraki is just angry scum caught!In post 1953, Hiraki wrote:My reads this game are shit, I'm tempted to vote Vedith solely on the basis of "you were so fucking wrong, just shut up and suck it you twat" but I'd like more time to do workI claim scum \o/- Vedith
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What do you mean how did I work it out?In post 1963, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:like that's a reasonable teamread from your pov but how did you work it out
Are you implying that Implosion told me the scum team? Because he didn't... However much it looks like it.I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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I gave you the game. I'm not here to look town, I'm here to find scum and that's what I did! \o/In post 1981, CCC wrote:Show us some decent reasoning, then. Or find some other way to convince us that you are Town.I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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Shut up Kraska!In post 1985, kraska77 wrote:Vedith remains unreadable so we can rope that first of that's what the majority wants...and yeah I agree with what others said about this setup seeming too townsided with a backup
Fucking kids can't handle my 10/10 reads!I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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You can't have a rainbow read with just green and red, you fucking nugget!In post 2034, Grendel wrote:I don't think I have much to say here beyond that if you believe BackhandXHiraki are the remaining scum I should be much more green.
I'm at a PC now, Got a few minor things to do at work but I'm on the case!I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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Standard bussingIn post 325, implosion wrote:Backhand (3): Grendel, MuttonChopMagic, Accountant
In post 566, implosion wrote:Backhand (4): Grendel, Accountant, MuttonChopMagic, notsureFirst course of action, take the opportunity to jump off Backahnd as he's the leading wagon.
Hiraki still not voting, we'll get on him shortly.
1 scum on my wagon, other 2 are trying to avoid.In post 861, implosion wrote:Not_Mafia (6): Not_Mafia, Backhand, Cheetory6, DeathRowKitty, NotTheRealPaul, PenguinPower
All 3 scum voting in different places. Nero pushing another lynch instead of mine only has an explanation of scum already on the wagon.In post 948, implosion wrote:Not_Mafia (5): Backhand, Cheetory6, DeathRowKitty, NotTheRealPaul, PenguinPower
Gamma Emerald (4): CCC, MuttonChopMagic, SlingshotWaffles, Nero Cain
Cheetory6 (1): Not_Mafia
CCC (1): Hiraki
PenguinPower (1): Grendel
Still all voting separately, never at a stage where they need to push together.In post 1101, implosion wrote:kraska77 (4): CCC, SlingshotWaffles, Nero Cain, Not_Mafia
CCC (4): Hiraki, Cheetory6, kraska77, PenguinPower
Not_Mafia (3): Backhand, DeathRowKitty, NotTheRealPaul
PenguinPower
In post 1246, Backhand wrote:VOTE: Nero Cain
Yeah, but he's been worse since then. I really don't think kraska is scum, this feels exactly right to me.
Kraska was still the leading wagon, all 3 scum voting separately and Backhand already stated that he thinks Karska is a good lynch.In post 1248, implosion wrote:kraska77 (5): CCC, SlingshotWaffles, Nero Cain, MuttonChopMagic, PenguinPower
Nero Cain (4): kraska77, Not_Mafia, Cheetory6, Backhand
CCC (2): Hiraki, NotTheRealPaul
Backhand (1): Grendel
No hammer from scum because both wagons are town. They don't want the attention, and they aren't at risk of hammering.In post 1377, implosion wrote:kraska77 (6): CCC, SlingshotWaffles, MuttonChopMagic, PenguinPower, Hiraki, NotTheRealPaul
PenguinPower (4): Cheetory6, Backhand, Nero Cain, DeathRowKitty
Plus, scum probably want as little on the lynched wagon as possible, probably thought Kraska was a sure bet. Explains why Hiraki can't vote away onto PP, otherwise all scum on the wagon.
Nero on pressure, both scum buddies voting away, again voting in different places.In post 1516, implosion wrote:Nero Cain (3): kraska77, Cheetory6, Not_Mafia
SlingshotWaffles (3): CCC, MuttonChopMagic, Hiraki
Not_Mafia (1): Backhand
No progression, both other wagons dropped/never progressed but yet staying where they are.In post 1605, implosion wrote:Nero Cain (4): kraska77, Not_Mafia, SlingshotWaffles, MuttonChopMagic
DeathRowKitty (2): Cheetory6, Grendel
SlingshotWaffles (1): Hiraki
Not_Mafia (1): Backhand
This is one of the first time they do a panic wagon and 2 scum are voting together because Nero is top wagon still.In post 1688, implosion wrote:Nero Cain (3): kraska77, SlingshotWaffles, MuttonChopMagic
Vedith (2): Backhand, CCC
SlingshotWaffles (2): Hiraki, Nero Cain
DeathRowKitty (2): Cheetory6, Grendel
Still off the Nero wagon. Nero self voted so that his buddies didn't have to and get accused for bussing.In post 1892, implosion wrote:Nero Cain (6): kraska77, SlingshotWaffles, MuttonChopMagic, gigabyteTroubadour, NotTheRealPaul, CCC
SlingshotWaffles (2): Hiraki, Nero Cain
gigabyteTroubadour (2): Cheetory6, Grendel
Vedith (1): Backhand
Today - After my post, both scum avoiding my wagon, because my lynch is when they are lynched.
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Backhand - Voting style and reasons
184 - Votes Mutton - Poor reasoning
360 - Votes me - I know I'm town.
1163 - Votes PP - Better than Kraska or CCC...
1246 - Votes Nero (While Kraska is still leading wagon) - Feels right
1296 - Votes PP - Naked post
1462 - Botes me - Because he wants to run me up
1926 - Votes me - Because I'm Nero's buddy. But never lynched Nero, sat his vote on me.
Next step - Backhands posts to or about Nero
167 - Telling Account to name who is VI
170 - Didn't like Accountant calling people VI, no vote.
178 - Distancing
184 - Still distancing
318 - Didn't like Accountant, no vote or pressure
345 - Worthless
476 - Accountant town read (?) Or at least liking the response
482 - Trying to fake slip
616 - I don't understand too much, NAI for me
920 - Says he will jump on a flashwagon to Nero as Nero hasn't done anything, shows a scum read there but never pushes or actually votes here. Says that Accountant pinged him, but ISO says that he got over that.
929 - Just about NM/Me
1005 - Wasteful comment, just asking to look like posting
1017 - Returns a fake conversation between Nero and Backhand
1028 - Response to a fake question. Fake answer
1149 - Again, says okay to hop on the Nero wagon, and showing a lot of interest in Nero scum, yet no vote.
1246 - Finally votes, but still not leading wagon
1259 - Almost instantly happy to swap over to PP
1281 - Means little other than distancing
1286 - Distancing still
1327 - Again, talking about the Nero lynch while jumping off it to PP.
1362 - Wants PP lynched as it can help with Karska/Nero sorting (keeping in mind Karska is put first, that's a genuine scum tell of distancing with Nero).
1462 - Nero scum again, votes me.
1534 - Asking Nero to vote me
1590 - Has Nero now as 3rd scum from bottom. Would pick Waffles side over Nero, but empty words.
1776 - Okay with a Nero lynch, but isn't voting there
1780 - Thinks that Waffles and Nero are both scum trying to lynch away from me, doesn't vote Nero.
1844 - Is pushing for me/Waffles as scum, and not Nero.
1900 - Happy to hammer Nero, now he's fucked anyway.
1926 - Says he thought it was me and Nero, or me and Waffles. He was actually pushing for me and Waffles and not Nero.
Next step - Backhand posts to or about Hiraki
184 - Distancing
318 - Distancing, no vote or pressure.
418 - Weak defence on Hiraki
1590 - Has Hiraki as null / avoiding interaction so far in the game with this slot
1654 - Pointless
1926 - Says that Hiraki is less likely scum for buddying Nero
So that's 1 scum.
Next step - Hiraki voting style and reasons
575 - CCC - Due to recent postings, not much of a reason
1332 - Karska - Shit reasoning
1498 - Waffles - Better wagon, no actual reason
Next step - Hiraki posts about or with Nero
306 - Has Accountant as town, other than that, it's worthless.
329 - Still has Accountant as town
575 - Fake, would have been told in PT
660 - Doesn't scum read Nero (Although I thought this was a town read before?)
915 / 1332 / 1478 / 1482 / 1503 / 1506 / 1562 / 1563 / 1582 / 1599 / 1718 / 1730 / 1733 / 1865 - Defending Nero's slot
1865 / 1881 - Starting to try and distance.
Next step - Hiraki posts to or about Backhand
306 - Means little, just going to "look" at Backhand
469 - Puts Backhand as a full null... Questions Grendel on the Backhand SR.
487 / 492 - Worthless
Other than that, Hiraki spent his entire time trying to prevent the Nero lynch. Hiraki gets the loyal scum of the year award, at least.
I'll do the Nero side of things later.
But by this, you can see that both of these 2 are obvious scum.
Backhand with his obvious distancing and always having a scum read on Nero but never pushing, and Hiraki for trying to stop the lynch.
And both are currently not voting me, because you know, that means they are in danger of being lynched tomorrow.
They need to lynch else where first, and save my lynch for a closer point to LyLo.
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If it helps, I like you Hiraki! \o/In post 2044, Hiraki wrote:if you think that i am that poor of a player vedith, then i've learned how much you think of me
I just think you should have thrown Nero under the bus for town credit. I'd eat that shit up!I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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I'm never wrong.In post 2046, Hiraki wrote:ok but how much do you apologize to me in the post-game for being wrong?
We can lynch Backhand first if you like? Unless you think he's town?I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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In post 2057, Backhand wrote:This is just so much certainty for something incorrect.I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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I like rainbow reads \o/In post 2061, Cheetory6 wrote:I'm not sure I understand what the point of the full readlist was if you're so absolutely sure that Backhand/Hiraki are the scumteam?I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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CCC, you're a genius!In post 2066, CCC wrote:Because either one of the two people he's voting for is scum that he's willing to bus, or neither of them are
I'm sure this never occurred to anyone before you said. If I'm Scum, either There's Scum in Hiraki/Backhand or There's not!
It's so simple, yet poetic.
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VOTE: VedithIn post 2088, Cheetory6 wrote:Alright everyone, by order of the Confirmed Town please take your vote and place it on yourself.
Aye aye!I claim scum \o/- Vedith
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Fuck you Mutton!In post 2096, MuttonChopMagic wrote:vedith can die but hiraki do3snt get a byeI claim scum \o/ - Vedith
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