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Post Post #1659 (isolation #0) » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:20 am

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Never fear, Vedith is here!

UNVOTE: All

Games night tonight - I'll do shit tomorrow.
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Post Post #1681 (isolation #1) » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:41 am

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In post 1669, Grendel wrote:Hi Vedith!

You probably don't remember me, but I remember subbing into your slot for a game. And I think we were in another game together at one point too.
I've played with you at least twice, once you were in a hydra, and once in a large game I think! :up:
Hello! :)

So I am here, what's the facts of the game?
Before reading the game, I'm going to call Kraska scum, because Kraska. Other than that, where am I starting?
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Post Post #1778 (isolation #2) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:55 pm

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In post 1689, CCC wrote:Day One, the player in your slot was... ridiculously quiet. Said basically nothing of consequence until he hit L-1, and even then said the very minimum. Was close on policy lynched, until a second wagon was started on the slot that Kraska replaced into. Eventually, the lynch was down to between PenguinPower and Kraska; PenguinPower died (flipping Town) and Kraska narrowly (very narrowly) lived.

Also, during Day One, NotTheRealPaul got a vote or two and immediately (and unnecessarily) softed a PR pretty noticeably.

Night one, there was no kill. (My theory is that the Doctor and the Mafia both hit NTRP for his PR softing)

Early in Day Two, MuttonChopMagic and Kraska revealed that Kraska had got a PM overnight stating that MuttonChopMagic was innocent. MuttonChopMagic revealed that he was a Friendly Neighbour with a 1xLoyal modifier - the fact that Kraska had received his message meant Kraska must be Townsided as well. Which means that the two of them are either both Town or both Mafia and pulling off a massive bluff. (But both Town seems more likely to me - MCM can prove that by Friendly-Neighbouring more people in future nights).

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So much for the highlights. Now, on to more speculative matters. Looking at the wagon on Not_Mafia (which is your slot - it's been through several players) yesterday, and comparing it to the votes on the proven-Townie PenguinPower lynch wagon, I notice that (if one ignores the likely-town MCM, Kraska and NTRP) three names are on both wagons - Backhand, Cheetory6, DeathRowKitty. Considering that the day one wagon on your slot was basically an easy policy lynch, the only way I can imagine that there wasn't a heavy scum presence on your wagon was if you yourself are scum. So, if you're Town, then at least one or two of those three pretty much have to be scum - while, on the flip side, if you're scum then I would assume that those three are all likely to be Town (in which case Nero Cain is very likely one of your scumbuddies).

I think you have a pretty decent chance of being scum, and the information we get from verification of your slot is massively valuable.
So, for a start, I don't care about your read on me, so it's a waste of an opinion towards me.

However, explain to me how you come to the idea that either scum was on my wagon, or all town was and I'm scum?
Backhand, Cheetory6, DeathRowKitty - What do you think of these 3 players from how they played so far?
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Post Post #1782 (isolation #3) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:41 am

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NTRP is probably scum here. But I'll think about it.
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Post Post #1786 (isolation #4) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:06 am

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In post 1783, CCC wrote:Okay, first off, Not_Mafia was silent. I mean, really silent. He was a late sub into a slot belonging to someone who literally never posted a single in-game post.
NM is always silent in games. And even if not normally, I have no care.
In post 1783, CCC wrote:So. Two options. Either you are scum or you are not.
That's how Mafia normally works, correct.
In post 1783, CCC wrote:Let us consider first the case where you are scum. In this case
Again, you can consider this with others, but I don't care about it and it's a waste of response to me.
In post 1783, CCC wrote:So, yeah. Either you're scum, or there's scum on your wagon.
It's plausible that there are scum on my wagon, but I want reasons to why. Town can be bad when it comes to day 1 wagon, I'm highly unlikely to scum read someone with that information alone.
In post 1783, CCC wrote:Which brings us to the next point. Backhand, Cheetory, DeathRowKitty. The first two I've been Townreading; DRK I had been reading as scum but that's changed somewhat after Gigabyte replaced in. All three reads were fairly light, and tone-based, and therefore could well be wrong; before Gigabyte's replace-in, had you flipped Town, I would have wanted to vote DRK next. Now, I'm... less certain which way to pick between them.

Nonetheless. If that happens, I'll deal with it when it does. Right now, I'm thinking you're more likely to flip scum than most other players at any rate.
Why were you town reading them? Gut?
Why is DRK scum (or was)? give me examples why.
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Post Post #1788 (isolation #5) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:09 am

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In post 1787, CCC wrote:So, you're saying that even if Not_Mafia was scum, there could still have been scum on his wagon? Or there might not have been?

...that's disturbingly plausible, and does rather reduce the information that could be gained from a Vedith lynch.
I've seen you play and I don't believe that this hasn't occured to you before.
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Post Post #1791 (isolation #6) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:17 am

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In post 1790, CCC wrote:Short version: If there was no scum on your slot's wagon, and your slot was Town, then that meant that every single member of the Mafia decided not to take a easy hammer that was pretty much handed to them on a silver platter.

That's all there is to it.
So that's your only reason? Because of odds, or what?
In post 1790, CCC wrote:Gut. All gut, for all three of them. DRK looked slightly scummy because of some early day one posts and never did anything to change that. Posts like this one just looked rather scummish to me.
Okay, so give me your entire reads now it's day 2. If you only have gut for reads today (other than mine, again, I don't care there) then we're done.
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Post Post #1793 (isolation #7) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:25 am

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In post 1792, CCC wrote:Nobody's perfect.
I am.
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Post Post #1799 (isolation #8) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:59 am

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In post 1794, CCC wrote:Yep. Do you want me to put figures to that?
No, because your reason is trash.
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Post Post #1801 (isolation #9) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:45 am

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I'm always reasonable... If people agree with me.
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Post Post #1803 (isolation #10) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:48 am

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I don't know yet.
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Post Post #1813 (isolation #11) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:25 am

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In post 1812, MuttonChopMagic wrote:for the record im usually good at leading town
Don't lie, Mutton! :mad:
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Post Post #1815 (isolation #12) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:27 am

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He's my best friend.
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Post Post #1840 (isolation #13) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:48 am

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In post 1838, MuttonChopMagic wrote:today's lynch pool is {vedith, nero} for me
and slingshot but nobody else agrees
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Post Post #1856 (isolation #14) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:27 am

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In post 1855, Cheetory6 wrote:You should spend some more time expanding on why you're scumreading Paul.
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Post Post #1858 (isolation #15) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:31 am

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I'm still thinking about it!
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Post Post #1861 (isolation #16) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:37 am

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In post 1860, Cheetory6 wrote:Okay neat, what will it take for you to have actual reads here?
You're making a lot of posts but not really doing anything, is this just a today thing? Or a tomorrow thing?
Can I expect you to be pushing something shortly?
Are you planning on reading things and getting caught up soon?

P-Edit: Is that at me or Vedith?
I'm trying here!
I'm reading parts and trying to determine motives.
To you I'm not doing anything maybe but my posts have purpose.
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Post Post #1863 (isolation #17) » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:40 am

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I'm thinking if he thinks I'm an easy push.
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Post Post #1896 (isolation #18) » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:18 am

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I don't want to die tomorrow :(
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Post Post #1898 (isolation #19) » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:41 am

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Look, I'm going to be real for you here, Gigga. Can I do that?

So I've been given a major company project since Monday and I'm spending over 12 hours a day working on it. Normally I do fuck all at work, and therefore catch up happens a lot at work.

I'm expecting to be finished with it today (at least this stage of it). I then promise to read the game and decide who is scum tonight /tomorrow at latest.

Give me that time before lynching, and we gucci.

We gucci?
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Post Post #1933 (isolation #20) » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:08 pm

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I refuse to share any information I have on this game or any reads until
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votes are removed :mad:
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Post Post #1935 (isolation #21) » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:11 pm

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It's easy game easy money at this stage.
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Post Post #1938 (isolation #22) » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:16 pm

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I hope you're ready to chant my name!
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Post Post #1941 (isolation #23) » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:18 pm

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It's past 5am so I'm off to bed. But you guys are going to be so much wow tomorrow if fucker Backhand gets off me! :mad:
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Post Post #1943 (isolation #24) » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:19 pm

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In post 1940, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:vedith! vedith! vedith!

who's the scum mvp?

vedith! vedith! vedith!






i would have thought of smth more creative but it's midnight lol
If what I'm about to give you guys is from Scum, you'll end up losing as town anyway. I'm that confident.
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Post Post #1950 (isolation #25) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:54 am

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RAINBOW READS!!


kraska77

MuttonChopMagic

Cheetory6

CCC

gigabyteTroubadour

NotTheRealPaul

Grendel

Backhand

Hiraki


Okay guys...Here it is!
And before scum say that Implosion told me who scum are, no... I worked it out by myself.

Also, I'm a PR. A backup \o/

So, you can all start chanting my name now. I solved the game.

VOTE: Hiraki
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Post Post #1954 (isolation #26) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:08 am

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In post 1953, Hiraki wrote:My reads this game are shit, I'm tempted to vote Vedith solely on the basis of "you were so fucking wrong, just shut up and suck it you twat" but I'd like more time to do work
Hiraki is just angry scum caught! :up:
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Post Post #1960 (isolation #27) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:53 am

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</3
Gigga, we could have been special!

But yeah, I'm 100% confident here that I solved the game.
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Post Post #1961 (isolation #28) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:53 am

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Hiraki isn't voting yet because he wants to avoid my wagon. It's easy game easy money from this point.
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Post Post #1964 (isolation #29) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:55 am

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In post 1963, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:like that's a reasonable teamread from your pov but how did you work it out
What do you mean how did I work it out?
Are you implying that Implosion told me the scum team? Because he didn't... However much it looks like it.
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Post Post #1966 (isolation #30) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:59 am

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Interactions / VC / Logical reasoning
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Post Post #1977 (isolation #31) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:12 am

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No! :mad:

I solved the game. Vote Hiraki!
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Post Post #1982 (isolation #32) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:45 am

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In post 1981, CCC wrote:Show us some decent reasoning, then. Or find some other way to convince us that you are Town.
I gave you the game. I'm not here to look town, I'm here to find scum and that's what I did! \o/
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Post Post #1988 (isolation #33) » Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:23 am

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In post 1985, kraska77 wrote:Vedith remains unreadable so we can rope that first of that's what the majority wants...and yeah I agree with what others said about this setup seeming too townsided with a backup
Shut up Kraska! :mad:
Fucking kids can't handle my 10/10 reads!
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Post Post #2002 (isolation #34) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:12 am

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Hiraki knows my flip means he's lynched tomorrow so he's trying to lynch CCC instead.
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Post Post #2005 (isolation #35) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:16 am

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I've already told them where to go.
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Post Post #2007 (isolation #36) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:35 am

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Hey, GIgga... you missed my rainbow reads. You're voting in the wrong place.
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Post Post #2009 (isolation #37) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:45 am

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I dont get what you mean?
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Post Post #2011 (isolation #38) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:53 am

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That Hiraki and Backhand are Scum...
Read my post it has everything there. Otherwise I don't get what you want?
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Post Post #2013 (isolation #39) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:57 am

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Can I do it when at a PC?
Or do I have to do it now?
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Post Post #2015 (isolation #40) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:07 am

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Yay Gigga \o/
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Post Post #2042 (isolation #41) » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:44 pm

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In post 2034, Grendel wrote:I don't think I have much to say here beyond that if you believe BackhandXHiraki are the remaining scum I should be much more green.
You can't have a rainbow read with just green and red, you fucking nugget!

I'm at a PC now, Got a few minor things to do at work but I'm on the case!
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Post Post #2043 (isolation #42) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:16 am

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In post 319, Accountant wrote:VOTE: Backhand
In post 325, implosion wrote:Backhand (3): Grendel, MuttonChopMagic, Accountant
Standard bussing
In post 566, implosion wrote:Backhand (4): Grendel, Accountant, MuttonChopMagic, notsure
In post 571, Nero Cain wrote:
vote:PP
First course of action, take the opportunity to jump off Backahnd as he's the leading wagon.

Hiraki still not voting, we'll get on him shortly.
In post 861, implosion wrote:Not_Mafia (6): Not_Mafia, Backhand, Cheetory6, DeathRowKitty, NotTheRealPaul, PenguinPower
1 scum on my wagon, other 2 are trying to avoid.
In post 948, implosion wrote:Not_Mafia (5): Backhand, Cheetory6, DeathRowKitty, NotTheRealPaul, PenguinPower
Gamma Emerald (4): CCC, MuttonChopMagic, SlingshotWaffles, Nero Cain
Cheetory6 (1): Not_Mafia
CCC (1): Hiraki
PenguinPower (1): Grendel
All 3 scum voting in different places. Nero pushing another lynch instead of mine only has an explanation of scum already on the wagon.
In post 1101, implosion wrote:kraska77 (4): CCC, SlingshotWaffles, Nero Cain, Not_Mafia
CCC (4): Hiraki, Cheetory6, kraska77, PenguinPower
Not_Mafia (3): Backhand, DeathRowKitty, NotTheRealPaul
PenguinPower
Still all voting separately, never at a stage where they need to push together.
In post 1246, Backhand wrote:VOTE: Nero Cain

Yeah, but he's been worse since then. I really don't think kraska is scum, this feels exactly right to me.
In post 1248, implosion wrote:kraska77 (5): CCC, SlingshotWaffles, Nero Cain, MuttonChopMagic, PenguinPower
Nero Cain (4): kraska77, Not_Mafia, Cheetory6, Backhand
CCC (2): Hiraki, NotTheRealPaul
Backhand (1): Grendel
Kraska was still the leading wagon, all 3 scum voting separately and Backhand already stated that he thinks Karska is a good lynch.
In post 1296, Backhand wrote:VOTE: PenguinPower
In post 1377, implosion wrote:kraska77 (6): CCC, SlingshotWaffles, MuttonChopMagic, PenguinPower, Hiraki, NotTheRealPaul
PenguinPower (4): Cheetory6, Backhand, Nero Cain, DeathRowKitty
No hammer from scum because both wagons are town. They don't want the attention, and they aren't at risk of hammering.
Plus, scum probably want as little on the lynched wagon as possible, probably thought Kraska was a sure bet. Explains why Hiraki can't vote away onto PP, otherwise all scum on the wagon.
In post 1516, implosion wrote:Nero Cain (3): kraska77, Cheetory6, Not_Mafia
SlingshotWaffles (3): CCC, MuttonChopMagic, Hiraki
Not_Mafia (1): Backhand
Nero on pressure, both scum buddies voting away, again voting in different places.
In post 1605, implosion wrote:Nero Cain (4): kraska77, Not_Mafia, SlingshotWaffles, MuttonChopMagic
DeathRowKitty (2): Cheetory6, Grendel
SlingshotWaffles (1): Hiraki
Not_Mafia (1): Backhand
No progression, both other wagons dropped/never progressed but yet staying where they are.
In post 1688, implosion wrote:Nero Cain (3): kraska77, SlingshotWaffles, MuttonChopMagic
Vedith (2): Backhand, CCC
SlingshotWaffles (2): Hiraki, Nero Cain
DeathRowKitty (2): Cheetory6, Grendel
This is one of the first time they do a panic wagon and 2 scum are voting together because Nero is top wagon still.
In post 1892, implosion wrote:Nero Cain (6): kraska77, SlingshotWaffles, MuttonChopMagic, gigabyteTroubadour, NotTheRealPaul, CCC
SlingshotWaffles (2): Hiraki, Nero Cain
gigabyteTroubadour (2): Cheetory6, Grendel
Vedith (1): Backhand
Still off the Nero wagon. Nero self voted so that his buddies didn't have to and get accused for bussing.


Today - After my post, both scum avoiding my wagon, because my lynch is when they are lynched.

Next step

Backhand - Voting style and reasons

- Votes Mutton - Poor reasoning
- Votes me - I know I'm town.
- Votes PP - Better than Kraska or CCC...
- Votes Nero (While Kraska is still leading wagon) - Feels right
- Votes PP - Naked post
- Botes me - Because he wants to run me up
- Votes me - Because I'm Nero's buddy. But never lynched Nero, sat his vote on me.

Next step - Backhands posts to or about Nero

- Telling Account to name who is VI
- Didn't like Accountant calling people VI, no vote.
- Distancing
- Still distancing
- Didn't like Accountant, no vote or pressure
- Worthless
- Accountant town read (?) Or at least liking the response
- Trying to fake slip
- I don't understand too much, NAI for me
- Says he will jump on a flashwagon to Nero as Nero hasn't done anything, shows a scum read there but never pushes or actually votes here. Says that Accountant pinged him, but ISO says that he got over that.
- Just about NM/Me
- Wasteful comment, just asking to look like posting
- Returns a fake conversation between Nero and Backhand
- Response to a fake question. Fake answer
- Again, says okay to hop on the Nero wagon, and showing a lot of interest in Nero scum, yet no vote.
- Finally votes, but still not leading wagon
- Almost instantly happy to swap over to PP
- Means little other than distancing
- Distancing still
- Again, talking about the Nero lynch while jumping off it to PP.
- Wants PP lynched as it can help with Karska/Nero sorting (keeping in mind Karska is put first, that's a genuine scum tell of distancing with Nero).
- Nero scum again, votes me.
- Asking Nero to vote me
- Has Nero now as 3rd scum from bottom. Would pick Waffles side over Nero, but empty words.
- Okay with a Nero lynch, but isn't voting there
- Thinks that Waffles and Nero are both scum trying to lynch away from me, doesn't vote Nero.
- Is pushing for me/Waffles as scum, and not Nero.
- Happy to hammer Nero, now he's fucked anyway.
- Says he thought it was me and Nero, or me and Waffles. He was actually pushing for me and Waffles and not Nero.


Next step - Backhand posts to or about Hiraki

- Distancing
- Distancing, no vote or pressure.
- Weak defence on Hiraki
- Has Hiraki as null / avoiding interaction so far in the game with this slot
- Pointless
- Says that Hiraki is less likely scum for buddying Nero

So that's 1 scum.

Next step - Hiraki voting style and reasons

- CCC - Due to recent postings, not much of a reason
- Karska - Shit reasoning
- Waffles - Better wagon, no actual reason

Next step - Hiraki posts about or with Nero

- Has Accountant as town, other than that, it's worthless.
- Still has Accountant as town
- Fake, would have been told in PT
- Doesn't scum read Nero (Although I thought this was a town read before?)
/ / / / / / / / / / / / / - Defending Nero's slot
/ - Starting to try and distance.

Next step - Hiraki posts to or about Backhand

- Means little, just going to "look" at Backhand
- Puts Backhand as a full null... Questions Grendel on the Backhand SR.
/ - Worthless

Other than that, Hiraki spent his entire time trying to prevent the Nero lynch. Hiraki gets the loyal scum of the year award, at least.

I'll do the Nero side of things later.

But by this, you can see that both of these 2 are obvious scum.

Backhand with his obvious distancing and always having a scum read on Nero but never pushing, and Hiraki for trying to stop the lynch.

And both are currently not voting me, because you know, that means they are in danger of being lynched tomorrow.
They need to lynch else where first, and save my lynch for a closer point to LyLo.

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Post Post #2045 (isolation #43) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:42 am

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And no Hiraki! Implosion did not tell me the scum team! Got it? :mad:
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Post Post #2047 (isolation #44) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:44 am

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In post 2044, Hiraki wrote:if you think that i am that poor of a player vedith, then i've learned how much you think of me
If it helps, I like you Hiraki! \o/
I just think you should have thrown Nero under the bus for town credit. I'd eat that shit up!
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Post Post #2048 (isolation #45) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:45 am

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In post 2046, Hiraki wrote:ok but how much do you apologize to me in the post-game for being wrong?
I'm never wrong.
We can lynch Backhand first if you like? Unless you think he's town? :giggle:
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Post Post #2050 (isolation #46) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:50 am

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Then replace out.
I understand that me pinning you and Backhand has left you uninterested in the game.
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Post Post #2053 (isolation #47) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:53 am

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I'll lynch either you or Backhand.
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Post Post #2055 (isolation #48) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:01 am

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I don't think you heard me!

I'll lynch Hiraki or Backhand!
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Post Post #2058 (isolation #49) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:13 am

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In post 2057, Backhand wrote:This is just so much certainty for something incorrect.
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Post Post #2060 (isolation #50) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:30 am

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Backhand, getting a sweat on? :giggle:
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Post Post #2065 (isolation #51) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:58 am

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In post 2061, Cheetory6 wrote:I'm not sure I understand what the point of the full readlist was if you're so absolutely sure that Backhand/Hiraki are the scumteam?
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Post Post #2069 (isolation #52) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:20 am

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In post 2066, CCC wrote:Because either one of the two people he's voting for is scum that he's willing to bus, or neither of them are
CCC, you're a genius!
I'm sure this never occurred to anyone before you said. If I'm Scum, either There's Scum in Hiraki/Backhand or There's not!
It's so simple, yet poetic.
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Post Post #2075 (isolation #53) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:25 am

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Yeah but I'm right.
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Post Post #2079 (isolation #54) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:43 am

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I'm happy with that.
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Post Post #2091 (isolation #55) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:42 am

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In post 2088, Cheetory6 wrote:Alright everyone, by order of the Confirmed Town please take your vote and place it on yourself.
VOTE: Vedith

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Post Post #2107 (isolation #56) » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:20 pm

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In post 2096, MuttonChopMagic wrote:vedith can die but hiraki do3snt get a bye
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Post Post #2111 (isolation #57) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:26 am

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Kraska didn't read my post?! :mad:
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Post Post #2113 (isolation #58) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:26 am

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I'm a back up of being right. After you prove that you're wrong, Gigga </3
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Post Post #2116 (isolation #59) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:40 am

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If it helps, I'm a backup role to an unclaimed role. :up:
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Post Post #2119 (isolation #60) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:49 am

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In post 2115, CCC wrote:and at least one Doctor (no nightkill on the first night)
This isn't the reason for the no kill.
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Post Post #2124 (isolation #61) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:51 am

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Well, it won't help town.
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Post Post #2126 (isolation #62) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:53 am

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If CCC is scum, he's preparing the next lynch already.
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Post Post #2127 (isolation #63) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:54 am

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But it's Backhand / Hiraki.
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Post Post #2131 (isolation #64) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:04 am

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In post 2129, CCC wrote:Do you mean you're a backup to a role that no-one has yet claimed, or are you implying that there's yet another PR in this game?

Because if it's the second, then that's just doubling down on the ridiculous.
Second.
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Post Post #2155 (isolation #65) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:23 pm

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So am I claiming or not?
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Post Post #2156 (isolation #66) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:29 pm

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In post 2152, MuttonChopMagic wrote:all conf town posted and no objecting so vedith
claim time, let's see this
Oh wait, all confirmed said go.

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Post Post #2158 (isolation #67) » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:16 pm

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Yay me! \o/
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Post Post #2191 (isolation #68) » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:59 pm

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In post 2190, kraska77 wrote:Hiraki gains nothing by claiming backup motion detector.
This. :up:
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Post Post #2193 (isolation #69) » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:36 pm

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Gigga mad! :oops:
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Post Post #2228 (isolation #70) » Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:44 am

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V/LA over the weekend! Have fun all! \o/
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Post Post #2298 (isolation #71) » Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:56 pm

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I don't like the Grendel wagon.
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Post Post #2380 (isolation #72) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:46 am

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You know what.
I'm not actually against a CCC lynch.
What really lost him credit is when I said it was Hiraki/Backhand he said that if I flip town then I'm right and he will lynch who I said.
It appeared to be him setting up a mis lynch after mine.
In post 1967, CCC wrote:One, Vedith is Town. He really has solved the game; the solution is above.

Two, Vedith is scum. He is lying through his teeth.

Personally, I think that the second is more likely. And on the off-chance that he does flip Town - well, then we'd have a completely solved game and just need to go through the lynches.
Although it's rare for me to ever be wrong, CCC is pushing for me to be Scum or fight here.

VOTE: CCC

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Post Post #2383 (isolation #73) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:53 am

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Difference is I said mine first. Scum are more likely to claim a back up before someone else.
To you, Hiraki should be confirmed more town than me.
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Post Post #2385 (isolation #74) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:55 am

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I dont believe that both Scum claimed motion detector.
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Post Post #2387 (isolation #75) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:57 am

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If Hiraki is Scum so is NTRP.
So No, I don't believe it.

Also town motion detector is a useless role for Scum without a counter role.
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Post Post #2391 (isolation #76) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:02 am

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In post 2388, MuttonChopMagic wrote:vedith is basically just spewing fallacies left and right
idk if it's him being scum or just cocky and ignorantlike
I thought you said you were good late game. :lol:
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Post Post #2392 (isolation #77) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:04 am

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In post 2389, Cheetory6 wrote:
In post 2387, Vedith wrote:If Hiraki is Scum so is NTRP.
Lol.
No.

I don't even understand what your gripe is with the idea of scum having a backup of a town role to let them have an idea about what's in the setup.
Normal games are going to give town more power than scum because that's the way the percentage works.
As an NRG reviewer, I would probably put a stamp of approval on a game with
Town:
2-Shot Loyal Friendly Neighbor, Rolestopper, Backup Rolestopper, Motion Detector
Scum:
Backup Motion Detector, Goon, Goon

I would probably not sign off on
Town:
2-Shot Loyal Friendly Neighbor, Rolestopper, Backup Rolestopper
Mafia:
3 Goons

If your connection between Hiraki/Paul is greater than their claims you should say so and explain, because it more reads like you just don't really understand how normal games are typically balanced.
I'm pretty sure in normal you cant backup a town role as Scum.
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Post Post #2395 (isolation #78) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:07 am

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In post 2393, MuttonChopMagic wrote:hey cheet wanna kill vedith or nah
not that it matters but day 3 isn't late game either brah
So what day do you actually git gud?
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Post Post #2398 (isolation #79) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:09 am

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In post 2394, Cheetory6 wrote:The idea is that it gives them information on the setup and something to claim.
There's nothing that says that scum can't have backup of a town role and just not inherit it, and without a motion detector in the game I don't think this is balanced.
Stop being an elitist.
If I'm wrong explain why instead of being an asshole for no reason.
Show me a normal game with a backup Scum to a town or even the other way round.
I've never seen it and it doesn't seem like it would be allowed in a normal game.
I just looked at backup but it doesn't state if it can or not.
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Post Post #2403 (isolation #80) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:18 am

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Keeping in mind Implosion never told me who Scum were - if Hiraki can be Scum backup then I'm going back to backhand and Hiraki as Scum.
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Post Post #2404 (isolation #81) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:19 am

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Wait until the mod confirms.
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Post Post #2409 (isolation #82) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:20 am

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No?
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Post Post #2410 (isolation #83) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:21 am

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In post 2407, MuttonChopMagic wrote:when will u Git Gud and make a casectgat doesn't argue votes you don't like as busses
and now you think hiraki town for literally no reason... so what's your solve in this vedith world *cusses*
So you can't answer when you actually git gud? :lol:
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Post Post #2412 (isolation #84) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:23 am

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No he's at L1.
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Post Post #2416 (isolation #85) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:17 am

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In post 2414, MuttonChopMagic wrote:answer my questions. play the game like you aren't the best player to ever touch it. of course you are, but humor me.
and yes, there's a precise time I become God. page 6 of day 5 I will solve the game. that's how mafia works. see?
I don't decide that I'm the best player in Mafia, that's my reads that decide that.
Again, they are my reads and Implosion told me nothing.
I doubt your ability to get anything right.
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Post Post #2457 (isolation #86) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:37 pm

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In post 2440, MuttonChopMagic wrote:id rather we wait for vedith to actually answer my post
but then again, if this flips town vedith is probs scum and vice versa so :toast:
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Post Post #2458 (isolation #87) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:41 pm

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I looked and there is no post. The last one was where you said you were the best player in the game (because people town read you :lol:) and I laughed.

So if you wish, we can take it up tomorrow, however, if you're questions remain the same level of intelligence tomorrow as they were today, then I'll probably just ignore them.

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Post Post #2460 (isolation #88) » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:59 pm

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Btw, if Hiraki flips scum, we're lynching Backhand tomorrow.

And not because Implosion told me who the Mafia were, because he didn't!
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Post Post #2462 (isolation #89) » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:50 am

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I already answered why I thought he was town. Because I didn't think back up could be scum to town.
If you fail to read, that's more on you than me.
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Post Post #2497 (isolation #90) » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:10 pm

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In post 2476, Cheetory6 wrote:DIE BACKSCUM GO BACK TO SCUMVILLE FROM WHENCE YOU CAME
CONGRATS VEDITH YOU GET TO TELL EVERYONE HOW COOL YOU ARE
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Post Post #2498 (isolation #91) » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:17 pm

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In post 2478, MuttonChopMagic wrote:that is still not what I asked. you said you thought hiraki could be town. I was asking who your new scum reads would be in that situation if it were to be around
I didn't really know.
It's not like Implosion told me who scum is.
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Post Post #2502 (isolation #92) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:15 am

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Backhand scum
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Post Post #2504 (isolation #93) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:18 am

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And post game, don't accuse Implosion of telling me who Scum were... it didn't happen.
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Post Post #2516 (isolation #94) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:35 am

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CCC trying to prepare mis lynches?
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Post Post #2520 (isolation #95) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:55 am

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Sure you want everyone who will say no first to say no, otherwise scum will just say no if anyone says yes first.
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Post Post #2523 (isolation #96) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:03 pm

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You didn't understand what I said, it's okay I see your point on it.
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Post Post #2535 (isolation #97) » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:25 pm

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VOTE: CCC

Backhand still shouldn't be confirmed town because if he's scum and no one else claimed it, of course he's going to assume it was him.
We'll see though as Grendel isn't scum, Gigga isn't scum.

So lynch CCC
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If kill it clears me
If no kill, lynch me
Motion Backhand
If no kill
Lynch Backhand

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Post Post #2555 (isolation #98) » Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:48 pm

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What are we waiting on?
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Post Post #2576 (isolation #99) » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:31 am

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Yay \o/
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Post Post #2601 (isolation #100) » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:21 pm

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GG town.
Nice effort scum.

We should have still lynched Backhand, because Implosion never once told me who scum was.

Thanks for modding Implosion and giving me the replace slot. \o/

I do apologies to town for putting less effort in when I replaced in, however I did have a lot going on that week.
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