Huh what? It's weird that there was no mafia kill, and if there was a member of town who had some explanation (like a roleblocker or something) I thought we should start with that.
I thought it was incredibly weird that I didn't die, since I claimed ascetic, so I should have been a relatively free kill.
eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"
Dramonic has not given me any reason to believe he's town. I find it extremely strange he's alive today. He was so adamant to lynch me after I refused to hammer Maria, and was so sure I'm scum. He seemed extremely suspicious of the fact I'm still alive and doesn't appear to believe me, but refuses to do anything about it. (Since there's no support elsewhere.)
I have no reason to think he's town.
VCA points to town dramonic. He has pushed for the lynch of all three scum. The only one he kind of let up on was SK, which doesn't support the idea that he's mafia. He wouldn't bus his teammates and then leave SK alone.
eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"
Hey gerry. If you want any illusion that we might not lynch you tomorrow, shoot scum
You know that part in Star Wars episode III where Padme is super upset and yells to Anakin that he's going down a path that she can't follow?
I'd go find the gif of it, but I'm too lazy.
I'm not following dramonic blindly. I was deadset on lynching the serial killer yesterday and he wasn't. But when I've shown that I have wavered multiple times on Kuroi and Vedith, and that I'm happy to trust dramonic for the most part, scum!dram could have easily acquired a lynch on either of you instead.
eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"
How does it not make sense? You were in my PoE yesterday with MariaR. If scum!dram wanted to lynch you, he probably could, because UT and I could have been easily convinced to vote you instead of MariaR.
eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"
How does it not make sense? You were in my PoE yesterday with MariaR. If scum!dram wanted to lynch you, he probably could, because UT and I could have been easily convinced to vote you instead of MariaR.
Actually, that might make sense. UT seems to be into voting anyone and that makes sense. It didn't make sense before because you phrased it like you'd just blindly follow Dram anywhere.
I wouldn't blindly follow anyone. That's just not playing the game. But dramonic absolutely can see that I trust him. If he made a case on someone who I was suspicious of, and wouldn't budge, I would likely compromise, and there's no way he doesn't see that.
With that in mind, he CHOOSE to lynch scum yesterday, when if he were scum, he could have easily lynched town and won.
eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"
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Post #4393 (isolation #214) » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:51 am
Postby podoboq »
In post 4389, T-Bone wrote:The lovers not outting Gerry for about 3 days was also another missed opportunity, you're right. The town had 3 out of 5 scum nailed by Day 2.
Yeah, I understand Gamma and Wheme not saying anything at first because it would result in two town deaths, but then it looked like they were certain Wheme would eat a nightkill anyway, so why not just say something?
eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"
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Post #4394 (isolation #215) » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:52 am
Postby podoboq »
In post 4391, T-Bone wrote:Yes. Podoboq, as the only remaining town, could no longer meet his win condition. I decided against allowing kingmaker scenarios, hence the rules the state the game ends when town can't meet their win condition. I know the semantic argument is that the 3 players could no lynch and then scum could cross kill, but I decided early on we're not playing that out.
Because Podo could not meet his win condition, it was down to UT and Dramonic. Shapeshifters were given win condition superiority, thus Dramonic achieved his. Shapeshifters win condition specifically included the phrase 'you win...even if something can prevent this'. Whereas Mafia is 'you win...unless something can prevent this'.
I'm OK with this. I legit would have thought we had only one scum left and lynched dramonic, though. I still thought UT was functionally conftown. It didn't cross my mind that he would have fake claimed bodyguard, then had that corroborated by town.
eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"
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Post #4409 (isolation #220) » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:03 am
Postby podoboq »
In post 4406, dramonic wrote:So as I said, fantastically convenient timing.
I woulda swayed you in lylo Podo ♡
At least I woulda tried x.X
I was actually really on the fence about voting you that last day. When I invited vedith and said there was time, the path I was considering was you as scum, just pocketing me and UT, but as I explained, that doesn't make sense for you to do it if you're the only scum. What I just wasn't seeing is that there was the possibility of another team of that you still had to play around.
eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"
In post 4406, dramonic wrote:So as I said, fantastically convenient timing.
I woulda swayed you in lylo Podo ♡
At least I woulda tried x.X
I was actually really on the fence about voting you that last day. When I invited vedith and said there was time, the path I was considering was you as scum, just pocketing me and UT, but as I explained, that doesn't make sense for you to do it if you're the only scum. What I just wasn't seeing is that there was the possibility of another team of that you still had to play around.
Pedit: when I unvoted Vedith
eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"
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Post #4433 (isolation #226) » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:38 pm
Postby podoboq »
In post 4421, dramonic wrote:I was honest in my opinion. The slip was a stretch imo and irrelevant because him surviving confirned his alignment as nontown. Your fixation with that was weeeeird lol
That's actually kind of a surprise to me. I usually think "SCUMSLIP"s are blown out of proportion, but this seemed pretty much an actual slip.
@Gerryoat, do you have an opinion on this?
eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"
If I was last scum in that foursome I would have quit mafia after playing basically the best scum game of my life. Like, everyone seemed to want to lynch me at some point, but they couldn't.
(granted they couldn't because I was simultaneously being pocketed by two different scum factions, but still)
eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"