Newbie 1799 | URW 4 | Finally Over OMG

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what was that quickhammer TB

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lol okay caught up.

I'm >90% sure I know who both scum are.

I'm going to take the next two days to be absolutely sure then I'm not allowing anyone outside of the 3 of us to get lynched.

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I am replacing Bombcat ftr.

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lol guys come on what are you doing this game

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Okay I'm 100% on one scum and have a good feeling that I know the other too

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no.

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1 hard townread now.

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more tomorrow am sleepy team napstie calls to me with my fellow supernappers

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okay so real quick

Drixx you're a scumfuck it's okay you didn't ask to roll scum.

the question is who their partner is

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but team napstie calls

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You didn't townread me off that

1) no I'm not hard townreading you.
2) you have no idea what I could or would do. you can't read me.

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I replaced in without looking at the playerlist.

When did I say that nancy was scum TB?

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Oh I get it, you're pretending I'm scum

Now I know why you replaced in

Well this should be great fun

like please I've had fucking enough of sweeping presumptions about my play from people who know nothing about it.

There are so many people on this site over so long who have claimed to be able to read me and it's always ended in me endgaming them several times as scum or mislynching me several times.

Please stop doing this. I would not have replaced into this game if I had seen that you were in it because I would know that stuff like this would come up. Let me do my thing.

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I am masquerain who is not radiantcowbells. throw away your meta on me please.

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Why do you always have to be scum when I'm town?

I am town. Does this mean I should vote you?

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Like I've done nothing so far this game, my predecessor was objectively towny despite being a toxic ass, and both of you are immediately on my case. I understand TB scumread my slot but please.

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What if I random number generatored the player list and your number came up?

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What if I random number generatored the player list and your number came up?

I would ask you to stop being a douche and to give RC his account back and stop hacking accounts.

Well that's not the right way of looking at it.

I didn't RNG the list, by the way. I do have you down as potential scum, you just aren't the one scum that I am confident in. If you're town then work with me and let's solve this.

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Let's not bring any past differences that we may have had into this game. For the record, I did super confidently townread you in that one game. I don't claim to be the god at reading you.

Can I get a readslist from you?

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I wish Shuffleplay was still alive.

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So this is where I would start hard buddying people to see how they react to it but I don't really feel comfortable going that way after I replaced a slot that was creeping on everyone in the game.
I'm kind of not sure how else to deal with this situation so I guess I have to do the normie thing and start asking questions about reads to everyone else.

So, uh. nancy.
If Raya's scum but TB is not, who is the other partner?
If TB's scum but Raya is not, who is the other partner?
If neither of them are scum, who is the scumteam?

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I'd like to get a lot more reads discussion going down in general too. Raya, are your exams going to be done while this day phase is still ongoing with at least like 3 days left to go?

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I'd like to see a lot more explanation of your reads than I've seen thus far this game but I don't want to drag you away from your /studying/

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Currently waiting up on rayas realist

I still think key is town

For others I need to read. I've been super busy irl

This post originally quoted 0 but I removed it because there's a bug on the site that causes the OP to be quoted sometimes by accident. --P

Are you going to get any time to actually play this game before the end of this day phase?

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So yeah can everyone take the time to do a full reset here, reread everyone and come up with a coherent readslist?
My thoughts in general are that most town losses without one of the very few good scum players involved occur because town are disorganized. Town never each individually consider all the players.
So many games the scum was sort of obvious and people sort of knew but they never coherently looked at the slot. So let's all look at everyone.

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I'd like to get a lot more reads discussion going down in general too. Raya, are your exams going to be done while this day phase is still ongoing with at least like 3 days left to go?

They will not. My last exam is next Friday.

I'd like to see a lot more explanation of your reads than I've seen thus far this game but I don't want to drag you away from your /studying/

Are you suggesting that I'm lying about having exams?

No, I am not suggesting that you're lying about having exams. That is not what the //s mean. I am trying to figure out if I'm going to get you to reread everything and make a full readslist before EOD.

I am assuming that answer is no.

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To clarify the //s are a reference to something that I cannot go into further detail on because you do not have speakeasy access. I'm not mocking your studying or claiming it doesn't exist.

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You townread Raya then? Go through that for me please.

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I don't have you as auto town. Why do you think that I should?

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Scum clearly do not know who I am I have no idea why they didn't fearkill me last night

I haven't actually read a single TB post but he's virtually conf!town for not having fearkilled me, arguably Drixx is too

TB if you are scum and didn't kill me last night you really did not learn from 1900

I'm supposed to townread this?

Like I'm not seeing it. Reiterating that I should see it won't change that. Go through why I should townread you please.

Also, can I get a full reads list beyond Raya scum and everyone who didn't nightkill you is town?

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Reasons please?

Why is Drixx so high, in particular?
Why is TB so low?

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So I would be accurate if I said that you weren't confident in your reads and that you're just lynching people from worst to best and hoping to get lucky?

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Please don't take that the wrong way. It's legitimately a question and not an attack.

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Seeing RC here makes me feel off this game

?

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Ftr I've thought a lot about Keyen/Raya scumteam. The way Raya reacted to Keyen's scumclaim is a little off for general newbscum. Most newbies would get confused or something.

That's not saying it can't be some other combination with Raya scum and Keyen town but that specific reaction is not what I'd think about there.

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And yeah Keyen you've explained nothing. No one has produced nearly sufficient content today. ZZZX you promised stuff: I'm waiting. Keyen, need way, way more than you've given me.

Thanks for not being utterly absentee nancy but I'm still waiting for why I'm supposed to TR you.

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Confused is the wrong word. There's no indication in Raya's posting that she knows that they're lying. Usually there would be.

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ZZZX I was promised content.

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Alright at this point I would like to policy lynch people for not producing content. It's an insult to the game and the rest of the people to use lurking as a strategy as mafia and I don't want to allow anyone doing that to win.

VOTE: ZZZX

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VOTE: keyenpeydee

Voting Keyen for pretty obvious reasons.

That brings Keyen to L-1.

I think what's actually more interesting about it is the fact that she makes such a big notice of L-1 if she thinks he literally just claimed scum

Yes, it is weird and reads to me as a very scumbuddyish tell.

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I mean it would make sense for mafia/town maybe but the entire thing does feel very potentially scum/scum.

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My thought progression of this game was something like

1) Drixx is scum
2) Fuckk drixx is obviously scum with Raya
3) Wait Raya's associatives with other slots are shit
4) Wait Raya/Keyen interactions do not look like town!Keyen scum!Raya
5) Drixx has an excuse for why I would scumread him this game
6) TB is also terrible
7) ZZZX hasn't done jack shit
8) I don't have a read on nancy but her 'oh everyone would have nightkilled me' thing feels fake
9) yeah Raya is probably scum but holy shit I have no idea who she's scum with

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So my current readslist is something like

{Drixx}
{nancy, ZZZX}
{TB}
{Keyen}
{Raya}

But the gap between TB<->Drixx is very, very small.

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Uhh.

Shuffleplay.

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Scumread me then. I mixed up replacements and I thought that Shuffle had replaced out.

You know full well that I can keep my story straight as scum.

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VOTE: Nancy

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What do you want me to say to that? You can't read me, that's facts.

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It's either this or replace out and I've replaced out of too many games.

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Nancy when someone claims to have an 100% accurate read on you and they call you scum when you're town how else am I supposed to react to it?

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Like I know that you can't read me but this conversation has no purpose until you know that you can't read me.

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Say what you will I do not believe that you would scumread a blank slate in my position. If I was randomnewplayer472 you wouldn't be scumreading me.

You can disagree with that but I believe whether consciously or not this is your idea of how my play ought to be coming into play.

So my choices here, from my point of view, are either to get you lynched or get lynched myself since I have no intention of playing in a way that will let you townread me.

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The only answer I can give is that I don't believe that, if you're town, your read on me is not influenced by meta. You may not be aware of it but it's there.

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Say what you will I do not believe that you would scumread a blank slate in my position. If I was randomnewplayer472 you wouldn't be scumreading me.

It's impossible to say but I think I would be. That's where my mindspace is at. I felt you were townie over recent pages but I think there is a logical inconsistency in your arguments that doesn't make sense if you are Town and your behavior most recently makes me uneasy

There's a logical inconsistency because my thinking is disorganized and I think in weird chunks and leaping gaps and it doesn't make sense to other people.
I am doing my best to provide the unabridged logic from the way that I am attempting to solve the game without fudging it to make it more palatable to others.

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I don't know why you think I'm inclined to scumread you, so many times I was shouting from the rooftops how Town you were

There's a reason that I said to consider this Not!RC to the best of your ability because this isn't going to be like me.

Your only experience with me attempting to play mafia as Tyler and not as RC was in Prince Lyon where I was scum so I would entirely expect you to scumread me.

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Okay. Well, I thought Shuffle was obvtown and my thoughts on the gamestate were vague because my focus had been on a specific scumteam idea and I thought Shuffleplay was in a different slot because I hadn't really thought about the nightkill at that point. I can't prove that to you but that's what happened.

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Idk my thoughts were vague I just generally felt like Shuffleplay was still alive somewhere.

Like I didn't even think they had been replaced necessarily I hadn't realized that they were dead.

If you knew shuffleplay was dead it doesn't matter which slot she is in, no?

Did not. If a wording implied that I did it was incorrect.

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Why are you voting ZZZX though?

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I'm going to not pressure vote him because birthday and he's not liable to show up.

VOTE: Keyenpedee

You're doing the CONTENT first u lil centipede

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It wasn't his birthday when I voted him

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Aww sorry. Feel better. I'm going to bed.

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Hey, SE crew. You're setting a terrible example for the newbies. I understand Drixx has medical reasons but this isn't okay.

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Like I'm not trying to assign blame to everyone because I realize everyone has some sort of extenuating circumstance here but at the same time...

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Was promised power nap then content. But no content. :[

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Alright. Don't worry about it. You've done shit this game, you're not the one I have a problem with.

If you're feeling unwell then nap it off. Don't be here because I'm pushing you.

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Everyone needs to actually do shit.

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Full readslist and why?

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hmm

need nancy read in particular. she's done stuff.

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Raise your hands if you honestly think I should townread you for your content in this game and explain why.

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I await the end of your V/LAs.

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Ftr I'm scumreading nancy but at the same time everyone else is 0 content.

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Uhh why can't you see key as scum?

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Oh, Raya, why can't you do things

I like you tonally but.... I really need more from you honey!

Please help me out if you're town?

VOTE: Raya

Also, I think keyen is town!

This feels sort of exaggerated. Like all the exclamation marks and the enthusiasm feels kind of forced.

That doesn't necessarily make you scum and I acknowledge that this could easily be a false positive but it's a thing that happened.

Your push on me still feels terrible but I would expect to feel that way no matter what.

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It's monday. V/LAs are over.

I'm replacing out in 24H if at least 3 non-nancy people haven't put some serious effort into the game.

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That's your biggest scumread then?

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If that's all that I'm getting from you I'm probably lynching you. Sorry if you're town but this isn't good enough.

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If you're town I'll definitely take what you've said into consideration if I'm alive tomorrow (which I am very unlikely to be) but nothing you've done changes my scumread on your slot.

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key is in prod range again. zzzx will be in 5 hours and if he hasn't provided substantial contributions to the thread by then I strongly recommend force replacing regardless of whether he posts after that time.

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Okay so going back I hate the low content but I think Drixx's reaction to the meta used on him on the first 2 pages could easily be scum.
He way overreacts to some very minor accusations and while bombcat is \=\=\ he's not an alt and I think scum would be more likely to be worried about being pushed for it?
That said I've seen Drixx get angry about pushes as town before so it's not conclusive.

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It's probably mostly playstyle but if I had to rush a judgement on FlogScrogger then I would call them town.

That does not justify TB continuing to not do much.

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@TheFlogScrogger - There's a very clear rule on this site. You may rhetorically attack a person's PLAY all you like. You can literally rip the play into tiny pieces and stomp on it and even take a leak all over it. The moment you attack the playER out in the real world, you are across the line and wrong. It has nothing to do with what you say in the attack, or whether

you

believe it's something that would hurt someone. You simply don't level attacks at other players. Period.

Does not vote Keyen for scumclaiming

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doesn't engage with the issue at all actually

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Platinum's response is EXACTLY the response I was looking for from confused scum.

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Drixx's response would make sense as well.

FlogScrogger's reaction does seem to strongly indicate that either they're scum with keyen's butt or they're town.

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Alright, thank you.
Also, UNVOTE:

I sincerely doubt keyen/nancy are both town at this point.

leaning Keyen scum with possibly Drixx?

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Alright I'm not touching Raya today. It's the wrong lynch. Not saying 0% scum but not the lynch for today.

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Drixx/nancy is definitely potentially a thing.

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Yeah I'm going with my gut. Raya's response did not come from scum unless they were scum with Keyen. Even then there's worse reactions.

At the very least I'm going to give them until tomorrow to do stuff since they're in exams.

TB slot is town or Flog is a lot better of a player than I think that he is.
Keyen like MIGHT have claimed scum as town but is still a very bad slot.
Zzzx is scummy and bad, with worst interactions with Drixx slot of everyone in game. And he's fucking lurking up a storm.
nancy you flying in reading people off of not killing you feels really bad. you saying that you should have been killed is overplayed. nothing you've done since then has made me townread you.
I'm probably not going to lynch you today but I really don't want your slot in endgame right now.
Raya you've got some space but please, please do stuff.
Drixx, you are back to being who I am most likely to lynch today. I hope that you're feeling better cuz it's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum and I'm all out of bubble gum

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as to why drixx over keyen, feel like scumbuddy drixx gives up the slot and lynches it. right now it feels like this is a situation where scum are like lol wtf is going on here.

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Yeaaah raya feels town I think
also nancy jumping me for following her reads (which I didn't quite do but I think that readthrough was shit given I was /distracted/ by lynels and dragons) feels weird. like shouldn't u like ur reads
shouldn't you feel like oh radiantcowbells should follow my reads because they're right and rc is somewhat good at the game so we should be on the same wagon

like it's

weird

for her to react like that to my voting and not in a way that's anything to do with any interpretations of how anyone should react to meta.

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i really want to hit scum today so that I can get a clearer picture of whether keyen scumclaimed as scum but if we hit scum there's no way I live till tomorrow so

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hey I just like 20 consecutive posted the day that the thread was made bitching about overposting and consecutive posting

i am dabes

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also I do want to hardread the game under the assumption that ZZZX is confscum and see what that gets me but I've consecutive posted enough tonight

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and it bears mentioning that at this point I'm 100% rc because I can't do anything versus this otherwise.

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k if I'm ruining this game this much then I'll leave you all to it!

replace me

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also I'll be super blunt if you're town my reads are far far better than yours so you'd be better off following mine than yours but sure do what you want.

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Yay I won

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I agree. Raya was great.

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Bomb is this really necessary

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So, bombcat?

I too am used to interaction with people who laugh that stuff off. I don't think in a vacuum making fun of someone's tiny hands, or most of the stuff you did this game, is that bad. I think that the majority of people would be okay with it and a significant minority would find it somewhat funny. Some of the people I hang out IRL with throw out hard slurs regularly and the vast majority of them will at least tolerate them to an extent. And that's fine. I don't think that you're a bad person for saying that someone has tiny hands in general, or even the stuff like smooching: IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT. This isn't that context. This is the context of people who we can both agree have much less tolerance for that than the people that you're used to. And they're not wrong for that, that's just the way they are. The point isn't to have some sort of hard line as to what is and isn't okay, the point is to determine what's okay for the people around you, and in this case the stuff that you did was not okay. It's not about what you do it's about the fact that you were asked to stop and you made the independent judgement that there was a 'line' that you weren't crossing. None of what you did was required in terms of the mafia context of the game to play towards your win condition so at that point you should just not do it.