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[Eddie Cane]

town

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Eddie Cane because Paul isn't real and you're next on the list.

Also, I don't know anyone. Hi!

please unvote. heal my pain.

[Eddie Cane]

DAMN I WANTED TO BE FIRST

Hi dunkers! Hi skitters!

Quick question for you. Are you purposely stalking and signing up for the same games as me?

VOTE: Skitters

please unvote. Skittles is town.

[Eddie Cane]

please unvote. Skittles is town.

Eddie knows this because he's scum.

VOTE: Eddie Cane

please unvote. Eddie is town.

[Eddie Cane]

please unvote. Skittles is town.

K, how are you so certain of that right now?

I have the host sheet

[Eddie Cane]

please unvote. Skittles is town.

K, how are you so certain of that right now?

Towny reaction.

meh. mostly this.

[Eddie Cane]

Aw Eddie, you didn't like my present? I'mma cry.

hmm?

[Eddie Cane]

hi

[Eddie Cane]

arby

[Eddie Cane]

can u?

[Eddie Cane]

Yes. Town will be very sorry if they loose me.

why u gotta crumb pr

[Eddie Cane]

u can lean on me

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: flavor queef

[Eddie Cane]

why is nobody scumreading me

[Eddie Cane]

oh alright. ty.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: flavor leaf

[Eddie Cane]

Vote Count 1.05

Flavor Leaf

(6): rb, Flavor Leaf, Thor665, Ausuka, UnaBombaH, Eddie Cane

(L-1)

Ausuka

(2): wavemode, Perfect Fifth

NotTheRealPaul

(2): skitter30, Sunlit Diamond

UnaBombaH

(1): Ciara24

Perfect Fifth

(1): Dunkerdoodles

Not Voting

(1): NotTheRealPaul

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-08-06 20:05:00)

Mod Notes:

I don't appreciate u ruining my fun

[Eddie Cane]

nah flava is probs town

[Eddie Cane]

can I be a serial killer

[Eddie Cane]

Paul is town

[Eddie Cane]

flavor is annoying because he's an inferior me.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: eddie

it's ok, lemme start a counter wagon

[Eddie Cane]

nah flava is probs town

Why is that?

And yes, 36 hours is fast to get someone to L-1 (or a hammer) in my experience so far.

Fast for a hammer, sure, but fast for L-1?
I'm sorry you're playing in bad games.

VOTE: eddie

it's ok, lemme start a counter wagon

Oh please no, I was starting to think you knew how to play the game.

I am a

professional

[Eddie Cane]

I still support his lynch, I just appreciate fair play with quickhammers, as in I want the hammerer to know he hammers, and everyone to know he knows.

Understand?

I can understand that.
So why did you change your mind about voting him prior to his unvote?

@Eddie - if so I feel like you'd still be trying to advance the game. Maybe you're working some ultra amazing strategy by self voting, but I personally doubt it, and find it rather boring and meaningless. I look forward to being proved wrong though, so if it's a thing rock on.

what are your theories as to why i self voted?

[Eddie Cane]

any1 want me to lolhammer

[Eddie Cane]

flavor is green tho so nah

[Eddie Cane]

I still like unabombah for lynching and I don't get why there's votes on perfect fifth.

RB is obvtown and sunlit diamond is suspicious

are u scum?

[Eddie Cane]

Ciara/flavor/lucky3rdscumgoeshere

if I am masons with flavor how does that change your reads?

[Eddie Cane]

p sure we haven't

[Eddie Cane]

If I live, I'm your new leader

if I live I challenge this

[Eddie Cane]

I still like unabombah for lynching and I don't get why there's votes on perfect fifth.

RB is obvtown and sunlit diamond is suspicious

are u scum?

Nope

mafia may be a game of deception, but lying to my face is uncalled for

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Flavour Leaf
L-1 I think

Why would you vote if unsure?

If anyone hammers FL without declaring intent and giving him a chance to claim or make final statements they are confirmed

scum

bad players.

Fixed.

what are your theories as to why i self voted?

I don't have or need theories, I have reality.
A self vote is utterly meaningless and people do it for an assorted number of reasons all of which are badplay unless they're scum, or a very limited number of special roles.

So basically, unless you're scum you're playing badly.

I mean, if FL flips town it would show everyone that this wagon was stupid and very obviously fueled with scum votes.

That said, unlike most day one lynchbait I think FL is actually useful to town so it's better we just don't kill him.

Why do you think FL is useful to town?
I've seen no evidence of that thus far myself.

Everyone who joined the wagon on flavor leaf, give reasons pls

I already gave my reason - feel free to address it if you want.
This sounds like empty rattling to me - did you actually miss the reasons (I can think of at least three players who gave clearly stated reasons, counting myself)? Or are you needing them repeated for some purpose I'm missing?

I approve of the Sunlight counter wagon.

why would it be a good play if I was scum?

[Eddie Cane]

I would like to point out I called leaf dude town with no reasoning and his wagon died. wow. I'm good.

[Eddie Cane]

i think scum is in the oeople who have moved from leaf. I think scum were scared of bring on the mislynch and scared of me tunnelling them for it. 9/10 mafia players are terrified of me if you aren't aware.

[Eddie Cane]

does someome feel like making a list of players who WERE voting leafblower11 at the time I fake hammered and are no longer voting leafjob555

I will then punch those calculations in and produce scum

[Eddie Cane]

I will use my 7th consecutive post to recommend kawartha dairy. top notch ice cream.

[Eddie Cane]

in what way

[Eddie Cane]

yea which of those moved

[Eddie Cane]

nah it died leaf isn't getting lynched

[Eddie Cane]

and how do you know scum have daytalk

how do you know scum dont

[Eddie Cane]

@Ciara; Why do you believe Wavemode is town? Also, if you don't believe Unabomba is scum (hence the unvote), who is scum?

@wavemode; Is this really the reasoning you thought was worth hiding for so long? All it is is me making a comment and SD agreeing with it.

{Eddie Cane}
{NotTheRealPaul, skitter30, Unabombah}
{Thor665, Sunlit Diamond, Perfect Fifth, rb}
{wavemode, Ciara24}
{Dunkerdoodles, Flavour Leaf}

ftfy. don't put yourself in reads lists. it's disgusting

[Eddie Cane]

@Thor; Rb is null because I don't really see any reason to townread him. Mostly he's just making statements without evidence; i.e "this is town." and "this is scum." I don't think this is indicative of town or scum. I liked his earlier pushes {PF and FL} but I don't like his later pushes {me and SD} and that's all I actually have to base my read on.

If he was scum why would he abandon the push on Flavour to start a new push on Sunlight.
Literally the only way that makes sense is if
1. He and Flavour are scum buddies.
2. He decided to aggressive push and then pansied out.
or
1. He's scum who is scared of being on a lynch wagon...so started a new alternate lynch wagon.

Neither explanation seems too likely, wouldn't that make him less likely to be scum and, thus, more likely to be town?
Am I missing something, or do you disagree with my logic?

hm. Thor might be scum.
VOTE: thor

hey Paul, rb, skitter, u interested? wagon opp.

[Eddie Cane]

I also forgot to respond to that - am I the only one who reads the modposts? They explicitly say that the scum have daytalk.

bad wave. rb was supposed to answer.

[Eddie Cane]

btw Clarinet is still scum

[Eddie Cane]

I will offer you their name in exchange for a thor vote.

[Eddie Cane]

I disagree that I was only commenting on the game and not trying to solve it; I was asking questions and gathering information, and it's intriguing to me that as soon as I mentioned the wagon on flavor formed quickly (in my experience, which is apparently uncommon), that wagon then immediately transferred to me. Easy bait, much?

I still think Paul is scum. Wavemode, too. Thor might just be aggressive, but meh. Ciara's posts are less than helpful, plus she thinks Una is suspicious and wavemode is town which immediately gives me a red flag. rb might be leading us by the nose, but I've still got him in my town pile at the moment. I had nothing on eddie, but now I think he's town.

Finally, I think self-voting is ridiculous.

justify scum!paul

[Eddie Cane]

hey Thor, do u think it's reasonable to scumread you atm?

[Eddie Cane]

lol I can read rb like a book. he's a town Miller Visiter.

[Eddie Cane]

eddie if u sell me on scum!thor i'll join you on the wagon? one important thing tho. does the wagon come with pillows or is it just a bare bones wooden wagon because the sunlit wagon is quite comfortable and i would be loathe to leave it for some uncomfortable wooden wagon.

the above was a crappy attempt at a joke. i apologize for destroying any faith in humanity u might have had. perks of joining games with me is bad jokes when u want em and bad jokes when u dont.

I'm never wrong.

[Eddie Cane]

this wagon is sponsored by the Hilton.

[Eddie Cane]

rb I'll vig a person of your choice if u get thor lynched

[Eddie Cane]

yeah. deal.

[Eddie Cane]

did my self vote help town

[Eddie Cane]

Prodding Perfect Fifth

Bad

Likely scum

yeah

[Eddie Cane]

pagetop

[Eddie Cane]

Activity is NAI.

as a whole yes. for specific players and at specific times no.

[Eddie Cane]

We're starting to flounder around with side vanity projects - I think people should consider voting secondary or tertiary scum reads if it helps consolidate wagons.

I'd much rather get a L-1 and claim now, so we have time to discuss said claim and potentially run up another option, than to wait until five hours before deadline for a derp rush where we end up hammering without a claim.
I know this goes against site meta, but I'm a rebel.

Oh, end of day derp os pro-town now?
My bad, I'm old fashioned.

I'm on the largest current wagon and noted him as a secondary read so am clearly walking my talk.
10 days to deadline sounds like the perfect time to get a cnsolidated wagon together and get a claim (which should still take 1-2days) leaving us then 8-9 days to discuss, and potentially put together another wagon.

I don't understand why this is;
1) confusing
2) scummy.

Clue me in?

hi scum bum.

[Eddie Cane]

I didn't say that. I said it is for some people.

tb is one of those people because he hates playing scum and is therefore significantly less active a lot of the time. he definitely has got prodded as town tho don't get me wrong lol

but anyways, I'll be able to read him later probably. for now we caught scum in thor and probable scum in ausuka. I want every vote on Thor please n ty. if u don't like that I do endorse ausuka wagon too. ty:)

[Eddie Cane]

hi thor. nothing there is actually particularly scummy according to the wiki, yeah, but that doesn't make you less of a scum fuck. if the only valid way to lynch people was by quoting the wiki don't you think the game would be rather linear?

[Eddie Cane]

"thor is getting scumread for following the wiki"
Y'know, HOW IS IT POSSIBLE MY PERFECT PLAN TO GET TOWN READ FAILED

[Eddie Cane]

hi thor. nothing there is actually particularly scummy according to the wiki, yeah, but that doesn't make you less of a scum fuck. if the only valid way to lynch people was by quoting the wiki don't you think the game would be rather linear?

By that logic every post is scummy - try harder.

so to be clear, you just told me I should only use the tells you have wrote on the wiki to scum hunt?

[Eddie Cane]

Also both of you lackwits are failing to justify how I explained my scum strategy that I think is bad town strategy on my wiki years ago, and in literally every game I'm ever asked about it indicate it's how I think people should play. But of course I had to lay out false meta for this one shining moment in order to fool you guys in this most renowned game I've ever played in.

I just got sick and tired of this derptastic play.

Explain why it's a scumtell - go, explain it and try not to drool or trip over big words. I don't care to coddle you lackwits anymore.
Chime in rb - consider that a gauntlet for you also, you're playing like a dim rock.

coddle my lackwit harder daddy

you're literally just writing words. you're not saying anything relevant. you spent what, 5 posts to express the great point of "only wiki tells matter stop scumreading me and vote on the wagon I want you to"... tossing in some omgus at rb though I'm unsure if you're omgusing me or not (probably?).

hey

wait a second

isn't using a ton of words to explain something simple/unimportant, or overexplaining, a

wiki approved scum tell !!!!!!

[Eddie Cane]

Hi, I'm Eddie - I'm making straw men and putting words in Thor's mouth and claiming he's doing something that he's actually not doing as, if I had ever managed to figure out how to click a link I would have realized THAT EVERY WIKI LINK THOR POSTED WAS TO THOR'S OWN PROFILE AND NOT AN ARTICLE AT ALL.

Derpa-dee! I'mma pretend like this is a scumtell people should listen to and claim i caught a scumteam off this deeply reasoned case!

*barf*

am I scum?

[Eddie Cane]

You're literally vomiting a case and wanting me to take it serious.

Why can't you express yourself without me needing to put boots on to wade through it?

would you like to hydra after? i think you could use some mentoring. happy to help!

[Eddie Cane]

and, thor, if you're town rb is probably scum. do you have an opinion on this? you have 25 words max to answer, I think you need the limit.

[Eddie Cane]

The longer it takes to explain an obvious tell the stupider the tell is...

you just spent what, 6 posts to basically say omgus?

[Eddie Cane]

We're starting to flounder around with side vanity projects - I think people should consider voting secondary or tertiary scum reads if it helps consolidate wagons.

I'd much rather get a L-1 and claim now, so we have time to discuss said claim and potentially run up another option, than to wait until five hours before deadline for a derp rush where we end up hammering without a claim.
I know this goes against site meta, but I'm a rebel.

I'm on the largest current wagon and noted him as a secondary read so am clearly walking my talk.
10 days to deadline sounds like the perfect time to get a cnsolidated wagon together and get a claim (which should still take 1-2days) leaving us then 8-9 days to discuss, and potentially put together another wagon.

I don't understand why this is;
1) confusing
2) scummy.

Clue me in?

Also both of you lackwits are failing to justify how I explained my scum strategy that I think is bad town strategy on my wiki years ago, and in literally every game I'm ever asked about it indicate it's how I think people should play. But of course I had to lay out false meta for this one shining moment in order to fool you guys in this most renowned game I've ever played in.

I just got sick and tired of this derptastic play.

Explain why it's a scumtell - go, explain it and try not to drool or trip over big words. I don't care to coddle you lackwits anymore.
Chime in rb - consider that a gauntlet for you also, you're playing like a dim rock.

hi thor. nothing there is actually particularly scummy according to the wiki, yeah, but that doesn't make you less of a scum fuck. if the only valid way to lynch people was by quoting the wiki don't you think the game would be rather linear?

By that logic every post is scummy - try harder.

you're literally just writing words.

Yeah, that's how we all have to play this game.

you're not saying anything relevant. you spent what, 5 posts to express the great point of "only wiki tells matter stop scumreading me and vote on the wagon I want you to"... tossing in some omgus at rb though I'm unsure if you're omgusing me or not (probably?).

I have not expressed what you're claiming at all.
I literally have not - prove I have and I'll self vote now.

C'mon.

hey

wait a second

isn't using a ton of words to explain something simple/unimportant, or overexplaining, a

wiki approved scum tell !!!!!!

Sure, it could be - so what?
That would only matter if I was doing what you claim I'm doing.
Which there is no evidence to support.

C'mon big boy - prove your words.
I can prove mine, why can't you back up yours?
Show where I've made these claims?
Anywhere.

Heck ANY GAME.

let's ignore thor having a temper tantrum for now and focus on 462. he said he'd self vote if I show where he made these claims. let's look deeper.

my first claim is that only wiki tells matter according to thor. as you see in 445, I bring up the very reasonable point; I said that the wiki is not the only way to scum hunt. then, in 447, we see thors reply; "by that logic every post is scummy". aka, I said that things can be scummy that aren't wiki tells, and his reply is that everything can be scummy in thst case. aka, omgus, use wiki tells newb.

stop scumreading me. this is fun! earlier in this thread, thor said, paraphrased, "I cannot fathom how anyone could scumread me". lol. moving on, tho, 409 and 446 both basically just omgus and call myself and rb bad for scumreading thor. he attacks the users, as opposed to the premise.

the cool one. vote on the wagon I want you to. this is along with the top of 409 saying he is voting the largest wagon. and, in 405, he tells us to consolidate on a wagon. he basically just used a work around to convince us to sheep him. calling it a "secondary scum read" is utter bullshit, considering it's who you're voting and those words are meaningless. this isn't even subtle, he's just telling us to sheep him.

[Eddie Cane]

I'm less pissed now, so Eddie, if you thought I was calling you personally stupid I aplogize.
I was trying *very hard* to express how stupid I found your case on me though.

It's made of wind, derp, and made up BS and that's ridiculous that I even have to listen to it at that stage.

I don't really get personally offended over mafia. dw.

[Eddie Cane]

and, thor, if you're town rb is probably scum. do you have an opinion on this? you have 25 words max to answer, I think you need the limit.

I think your rb case has never been presented.

correct. I'm not asking your thoughts on my case. I'm asking your thoughts on scum!rb.

[Eddie Cane]

This is why the site is in the garbage, people lack the ability to read.

[Eddie Cane]

The longer it takes to explain an obvious tell the stupider the tell is...

you just spent what, 6 posts to basically say omgus?

I spent 6 posts to repeatedly point out how you're not reading what I'm saying or are too dense to understand it.
Pick one.

The longer it takes to explain an obvious tell the stupider the tell is...

[Eddie Cane]

Hi, I'm Eddie - I'm making straw men and putting words in Thor's mouth and claiming he's doing something that he's actually not doing as, if I had ever managed to figure out how to click a link I would have realized THAT EVERY WIKI LINK THOR POSTED WAS TO THOR'S OWN PROFILE AND NOT AN ARTICLE AT ALL.

Derpa-dee! I'mma pretend like this is a scumtell people should listen to and claim i caught a scumteam off this deeply reasoned case!

*barf*

am I scum?

You might be, but I don't think so, and that's why I'm pissed off at how idiotic your reading is.

if you're town you aren't going to convince me with micro aggressions and mafia theory debate

[Eddie Cane]

hi thor. nothing there is actually particularly scummy according to the wiki, yeah, but that doesn't make you less of a scum fuck. if the only valid way to lynch people was by quoting the wiki don't you think the game would be rather linear?

By that logic every post is scummy - try harder.

my first claim is that only wiki tells matter according to thor. as you see in 445, I bring up the very reasonable point; I said that the wiki is not the only way to scum hunt. then, in 447, we see thors reply; "by that logic every post is scummy". aka, I said that things can be scummy that aren't wiki tells, and his reply is that everything can be scummy in thst case. aka, omgus, use wiki tells newb.

Actually, what I was saying there is that if you agree nothing I was doing was scummy, but that you need to call it scummy because...? Then every post is scummy.
You don't need to use a wiki tell.
You do need to use A tell.

he attacks the users, as opposed to the premise.

You just agreed there was no premise - how do I attack nothing?
And I have attacked it - I called it nothing.

the cool one. vote on the wagon I want you to. this is along with the top of 409 saying he is voting the largest wagon. and, in 405, he tells us to consolidate on a wagon. he basically just used a work around to convince us to sheep him. calling it a "secondary scum read" is utter bullshit, considering it's who you're voting and those words are meaningless. this isn't even subtle, he's just telling us to sheep him.

I agree, I'd love it if everyone sheeped me every game.

and, thor, if you're town rb is probably scum. do you have an opinion on this? you have 25 words max to answer, I think you need the limit.

I think your rb case has never been presented.

correct. I'm not asking your thoughts on my case. I'm asking your thoughts on scum!rb.

I've called him town.
So...I think it's dumb.

What's your reasoning that it's not dumb?

The longer it takes to explain an obvious tell the stupider the tell is...

you just spent what, 6 posts to basically say omgus?

I spent 6 posts to repeatedly point out how you're not reading what I'm saying or are too dense to understand it.
Pick one.

The longer it takes to explain an obvious tell the stupider the tell is...

Yeah, good thing I'm not explaining a tell, I'm kvetching about your inability to describe why anything I've done is scummy.
Scathing.

I'm less pissed now, so Eddie, if you thought I was calling you personally stupid I aplogize.
I was trying *very hard* to express how stupid I found your case on me though.

It's made of wind, derp, and made up BS and that's ridiculous that I even have to listen to it at that stage.

I don't really get personally offended over mafia. dw.

Yeah, I don't like it if I think people are calling me stupid though, so I endeavor not to do the same to others.

Your case is a sack of sad schmegles though.

Also your only example for me citing wiki tells comes after you started claiming I was doing that.
Derptastic my friend - so even if I think you read it the way you're claiming, you must also have been living in the future to do so.

Pull the other one, it has bells on.

While we're at it, can you even name one wiki tell I've used?
Y'know, since I claim only wiki tells are to be used, and all scumhunting must come from them?

I've linked none.
I've cited bone.
I've not claimed anyone should be using one, much less only using them.

Derp.
Derp.
Derp.

as awesome as this wall of posts is, you're still scum

[Eddie Cane]

ThinkBig replaces Perfect Fifth effective immediately

nice name color!

[Eddie Cane]

anyways thor we can go back and forth more if you really want but I don't think that line of discussion is going to help game solve so unless you object I'm dropping it.

how do you read ausuka? if I take my vote off you it's going onto them. or rb. I think rb is probs town tho. maybe.

[Eddie Cane]

if thor is town i think rb is likely scum. if I switch my vote off thor I believe he's town. I don't atm. maybe hell convince me. if he does rb has my interest.

[Eddie Cane]

i haven't played with scum rb in like..... a long time. the thought is exciting!

[Eddie Cane]

So you don't think it could be a TvT situation?

I doubt it is. doesn't matter because thor is scum anywyas.

[Eddie Cane]

do you have a reason to not vote him? guilty until proven innocent after all

[Eddie Cane]

like let's assume you're town and you think thor is scum

i think thor is scum

but i have to be scum if he ends up town, whereas you don't because:_________

I could be scum. o.o

[Eddie Cane]

K, I just read through the Thor/Eddie thing. Thor is obvtown (albeit a tad abrasive) and I have no idea why people are scumreading him or voting him.

I think their whole spat was Eddie misreading Thor's posts, which stemmed from not realizing Thor was linking to his profile, and not to a wiki page about a scumtell as Eddie seems to believe.

Spoiler:

"thor is getting scumread for following the wiki"
Y'know, HOW IS IT POSSIBLE MY PERFECT PLAN TO GET TOWN READ FAILED

Thor legit wrote the articles he quoted. He's playing the town strategy that he espoused years ago. He wasn't complaining that he was getting scumread for following the wiki. He was complaining that he was getting scumread for playing the way he believes town should play, as seen by the fact that he actually took the time to write a wiki article on the subject.

my first claim is that only wiki tells matter according to thor. as you see in 445, I bring up the very reasonable point; I said that the wiki is not the only way to scum hunt. then, in 447, we see thors reply; "by that logic every post is scummy". aka, I said that things can be scummy that aren't wiki tells, and his reply is that everything can be scummy in thst case. aka, omgus, use wiki tells newb.

Again, you're not actually listening to what he said. Your first claim is that 'wiki tells matter according to Thor'. This claim is unfounded; Thor never said that. Yes, I agree that wiki tells are not the only way to scumhunt, but Thor was linking articles that he wrote describing what he believes to be pro-town and anti-town behavior. He wasn't advocating that we should be following linked wiki tells or anything.

stop scumreading me. this is fun! earlier in this thread, thor said, paraphrased, "I cannot fathom how anyone could scumread me". lol. moving on, tho, 409 and 446 both basically just omgus and call myself and rb bad for scumreading thor. he attacks the users, as opposed to the premise.

There is no OMGUS in 409, and he doesn't call anyone bad in that post. And while he does get rudely frustrated with you two in 446, he doesn't actually scumread you anywhere as far as I can tell. In fact, in 464, he indicates that he

doesn't

think you're scum.

the cool one. vote on the wagon I want you to. this is along with the top of 409 saying he is voting the largest wagon. and, in 405, he tells us to consolidate on a wagon. he basically just used a work around to convince us to sheep him. calling it a "secondary scum read" is utter bullshit, considering it's who you're voting and those words are meaningless. this isn't even subtle, he's just telling us to sheep him.

??? He's doing exactly what he said he's doing - he's voting for his scumread, and said that instead of voting for their main read, people should try to consolidate on a secondary read so that we can use the time we have productively. Like, he doesn't want a lynch at deadline, which I totally get because those tend to be panic-fueled and often lead to people making hasty decisions under pressure. He wants us to try to consolidate a wagon *now* instead. As far as I can tell, he isn't actually even pushing anyone to vote *his* wagon. So I dunno why you're accusing him of asking people to sheep him.

I don't actually think you're intentionally misrepping him. I think you just didn't understand what he was trying to say and that you two were having two different conversations.

So, no, I am not voting Thor with you.

what if I am intentionally misrepping him?

[Eddie Cane]

ausuka is gonna be today's lynch btw

[Eddie Cane]

because thor is scum

[Eddie Cane]

I haven't made a thor case. I've played with him. picture me as a big, powerful tiger. he is a donkey. donkeys are awesome but they have short tempers, I'm just playing with my food. if my food proves it's worthy of joining my pack it can live. otherwise, hammers for dinner.

I haven't tried to serve donkey today. I might. we'll see. as of now, the answer is no.

[Eddie Cane]

tl;dr: wavemode is town, rb is town, thor is probably town, if thor is town, eddie is scum (and vice versa). Skitter is town. you and dunk don't do anything and I find that questionable. Ausuka needs to be lynched.

why is me and this tvs

[Eddie Cane]

no thank you.

[Eddie Cane]

anyways thor we can go back and forth more if you really want but I don't think that line of discussion is going to help game solve so unless you object I'm dropping it.

We can't go back and forth if I'm the only one offering facts and legit thoughts and you're vomiting.
I'm fine with you dropping the vomit though, as long as you admit it was vomit and then justify the vomit.
Because in a bit you're going to try to justify it, and it's only more vomit.

how do you read ausuka? if I take my vote off you it's going onto them. or rb. I think rb is probs town tho. maybe.

I lean scum on her but hate the case people are sheeping and am not feeling overly confident of the energy there.

if thor is town i think rb is likely scum. if I switch my vote off thor I believe he's town. I don't atm. maybe hell convince me. if he does rb has my interest.

Why does me being scum or town in any way affect rb's alignment?

Thor's AtE is cute

More Thor votes please

Explain why you claim meta awareness of me.
Because I barely remember you, which makes me think we've had, at most, two other games together - so what makes you think you can read me exactly?
Because you're acting like you can, and I don't think that's justified.

what if I am intentionally misrepping him?

Then you're a worse player than I originally thought, because there is no valid test in intentionally misrepping someone because BOTH town and scum find it obnoxious and attack it.

The one thought I have that shakes my read and keeps me from just parking him in the town zone is this: Why are you engaging with Eddie at all, Thor? do you think he's scum, or are you just blowing off steam? Or are you tanking for your team because eddie and rb could rip them apart?

1. I ignored the bullSmurf from both of them for quite some time.
2. Eventually it just got annoying to have to listen to derp with no backing so I "engaged" to simply ask them to 'explain their case'
3. I got vomit from Eddie and ducking from rb.
4. So...yeah, I live in terror of their ability to put together cases
5. My confrontation worked because now multiple people are realizing they're full of gak, and now Eddie is dancing around and I really hope he manages to keep my soft town on him, because his Smurf is looking WEAK right now.

u really need to get laid though fr

[Eddie Cane]

i also dance very elegantly. I won a participation award for it once.

[Eddie Cane]

i didn't say that.

[Eddie Cane]

is my play weak ass? that depends what u constitute as weak play. nobody scumreads me and I've put next to no effort into posting. depending on how u/leaf/ausuka flip, I've also successfully read ppl. I'm p sure leaf is town anyways and if he is I successfully killed a mislynch. I did this all while looking FABULOUS and milking cows.

[Eddie Cane]

also: I'll play seriously when I see someone I want to tunnel. for now I'm just poking bears. ausuka is probably scum and is probably being bussed atm. jsyk.

[Eddie Cane]

also, does anyone know ausukas main? i don't o.o

[Eddie Cane]

i didn't say that.

You implied it rather strongly and are unable/unwilling to clarify what you're actually on about so I'm just going to presume you're doing exactly that till you grow a set and make a declarative statement.
It's okay, your balls are probably drained from all the sex, so I understand why they're weak

Because most of my personal issues with her were odd reads on her reads list, but if you're town and are also low poster, it doesn't make a ton of sense to bother buddying you for no reason.

I think skitter is the one who initiated it with her #108. Assuming skitter is town, scum!Ausuka would clearly see someone like that as an ally not worth attacking.

Not worth attacking? Okay, sure, either alignment would do that.
Rando town reading off a stated 'whim' and sticking to that after questioning? Seems less likely to me after such a long period.

I didn't say it, I declared it

[Eddie Cane]

i didn't say I lied

[Eddie Cane]

you're omgus is cute tho:*

[Eddie Cane]

hmm autocorrect doesn't like your

[Eddie Cane]

it's pretty cool actually

[Eddie Cane]

you're omgus is cute tho:*

I've cited specific reasons for my issues with you - learn what Omgus means before you try to whip out buzzwords.

oh my god you suck
as you constantly discredit and insult me. after I voted you, of course. buzzword itself is a buzzword tho. try again babe.

[Eddie Cane]

nah I'm just not replying to you like I said pages ago because it's a waste of time and doesn't help game solve.

[Eddie Cane]

if calling me a bad player and insulting me makes u feel better keep right on at it though

[Eddie Cane]

i feel good and u know it

[Eddie Cane]

u don't get to accuse me of feeling bad and not let me counter.

[Eddie Cane]

should I take this game serious yet rb

[Eddie Cane]

thor, q; do you believe ate is readable & some people can read it well?

[Eddie Cane]

if there's anything particularly important thor / skitter want to ask me that I ignored let me know. I am not going to uselessly argue game theory and get in a useless back and forth about wording, got places to do and things to see.

[Eddie Cane]

and no, thor, mass quoting all of your posts is not a valid answer.

[Eddie Cane]

thor, q; do you believe ate is readable & some people can read it well?

Appeal to emotion is a logical fallacy, so I'm not sure what you mean by "readable". Do you mean "do you think people can spot the logical fallacy of ate?' In that case - sure.

The phrasing of your question suggests to me that by AtE you may just mean 'emotional posting' in which case I submit that anyone familiar with another person is generally able to read their emotions and some people are better at it than others, sure.

If you think I buy that you're trying to read *me* through my emotions, a player you don't know from Adam? Then, no, no I don't believe that at all.

if there's anything particularly important thor / skitter want to ask me that I ignored let me know. I am not going to uselessly argue game theory and get in a useless back and forth about wording, got places to do and things to see.

I still have my initial question that you've dodged - which is why you think lying about someone's behavior will generate alignment telling behavior?

Thor didn't have to respond with 3 pages of AtE defence and i don't think town Thor does so.

What does town Thor do and what evidence do you use to reach that conclusion?

yes, I used ate in the mafia definition, not the actual one. aka, emotional appeal. when did i lie about someone's behaviour?

[Eddie Cane]

@rb - Eddie has openly admitted he was trying to goad me and that he was lying/making up his case on me, how does that affect your read of my reaction exactly? Or, more precisly, why *hasn't* that affected your read?

...no?

[Eddie Cane]

tldr u think both thor and rb are town. and their argument isnt helping anyone?

Yes, but no.

I think Thor and rb are both town specifically BECAUSE the argument has gone on so long, and there is no history (known to me) that would indicate either or both of them would be able to keep it up that long under a pretense.

look it's a scum

[Eddie Cane]

fixed that for you

ftfy

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Ciara

Im not voting thor and not completely sold on SD.

good vote, though you're letting thor ate and spam a town read but you're new so I understand.

Mario is town because ciara and sunlit are scummy scums btw

[Eddie Cane]

Ok so there's like no way both rb and thor are town unless it's scum theatre in which case we caught 2 scum.
VOTE: thor

good post.

[Eddie Cane]

also Mario could still be scum but for now I'll stay true

[Eddie Cane]

when did i say that?

[Eddie Cane]

i think 771 is legitimately scummy. I said the EXACT opposite, that if one is town the other probably isnt. I've never even hinted you could be partners.

[Eddie Cane]

Ok so there's like no way both rb and thor are town unless it's scum theatre in which case we caught 2 scum.
VOTE: thor

good post.

But I thought the two of us were scum doing the scum theatre?
My bad, I must have messed this up due to my abstinence. I'll work harder next time.

why would you do this

elaborate unless this was meant to be in your scum pt

[Eddie Cane]

hasn't that been the story for 10 pages now

[Eddie Cane]

that's not what a case is

[Eddie Cane]

mm5

[Eddie Cane]

this game is too dead. post peoples.

[Eddie Cane]

this could be town think big. he is legitimately busy irl atm. let's see if he catches up well or flakes. for now, thor can eat a rope. also, hi person I forget the alt.name we played on but remember we played. why do you town read me? special consideration to the fact last time we played I pocketed you as scum and most people get paranoid after that.

[Eddie Cane]

oh are you not barley corn?

[Eddie Cane]

oh, if you're not trolling, my bad. forgot who he was an alt of.

back to the first part tho. why do you town read me? didn't u clap like all of the posts of.mine u quoted bad?

[Eddie Cane]

oh okay. no pedit. wew.

[Eddie Cane]

busy rn more later

[Eddie Cane]

hey skitter, after our micro what are your thoughts on on?

[Eddie Cane]

idk I was gonna post but don't have anything I care enough to comment on

[Eddie Cane]

should I be townreading you?

[Eddie Cane]

why?

[Eddie Cane]

should I take this game serious yet rb

Bad

should I take this game serious yet mulch

[Eddie Cane]

why?

I'm very good at scum

would you like to link a couple scum games? you can explain your choices.

[Eddie Cane]

should I take this game serious yet rb

Bad

should I take this game serious yet mulch

Bad cause LAMIST, it implies your "Taking" something=town

I take games perfectly serious as scum. i also shitpost as scum. this is not lamist. lamist is me questioning people townreading me.

[Eddie Cane]

why?

I'm very good at scum

would you like to link a couple scum games? you can explain your choices.

Look at Large 203

could use a link if possible, mobile navigation sucks. also, ideally at least also one non large would be appreciated because larger are different. ty.

[Eddie Cane]

should I take this game serious yet rb

Bad

should I take this game serious yet mulch

Bad cause LAMIST, it implies your "Taking" something=town

I take games perfectly serious as scum. i also shitpost as scum. this is not lamist. lamist is me questioning people townreading me.

True. This is slightly LAMIST

indeed

[Eddie Cane]

also, do you remember my post asking thor if I should scumread him? he said a resounding no along with his usual baggage. he is an old player, and while I don't remember playing with him id assume he is at least semi competent. why do you think your answer differs?

[Eddie Cane]

also also, your play reminds me as a polished version of beginner!eddie. beginner Eddie didn't role scum ever though, so I'm not sure that comparison necessarily means anything. just a cool note.

[Eddie Cane]

I'm here for a while if you want to talk. i don't think before I post or edit drafts though, so it'll be fast paced.

[Eddie Cane]

also also, your play reminds me as a polished version of beginner!eddie. beginner Eddie didn't role scum ever though, so I'm not sure that comparison necessarily means anything. just a cool note.

This sounds pockety. But interesting

it could be.

theory q
do you believe town has motivation to pocket people?

[Eddie Cane]

okay.

u really are like me u post a shit ton

anyways

[Eddie Cane]

skimmed the games very very briefly. might look more later, probs not. got what I wanted.

[Eddie Cane]

ty for links tsngent: rc has never attempted to scumread me as town or scum and vice versa. curios how it would end up. i like him.

anyways, game. what about thor makes you scumread him? I haven't made a case, just created the content needed for one, and I am not satisfied he's scum to the point I want to death tunnel him. maybe you'll sell me.

[Eddie Cane]

skimmed the games very very briefly. might look more later, probs not. got what I wanted.

Give me

your partners, who survived, your general posting habits. i like meta! I don't use it on people I know are likely to manipulate it ie rc, but it is always good to know the background of said players just in case. meta doesn't usually work on strong players anyways, with obvious exceptions. i can expand if you want.

[Eddie Cane]

gamma has a weak scum game so I'm not surprised he got lynched, you did about as well as I expected, transcend winning as scum makes me happy, you probably carried in the large, you had some newbie mistakes in your newbie but that's a given.

those links are useful for later game if I get paranoid and want to cross check history. for now I comfortably call you town.

[Eddie Cane]

His emotions remind me as scum. He has akward phrasing. His posts in the beginning felt fake solvy then he just goes into deathtunnel mode.


I would vote Skittles or TB tho

Skittles just played in a game with me and it was one of my best games ever, I can link it if you want. i am curios how they decide to move forward after that. tb is probably scum but ik they're also legitimately busy and that isn't b.s. so id rather give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

[Eddie Cane]

ok. I don't. Your townlean.

keep talking with me for the next 30 minutes. we can solve this game.

[Eddie Cane]

this isn't something people do much nowadays but active real time deliberation helps a lot.

[Eddie Cane]

His emotions remind me as scum. He has akward phrasing. His posts in the beginning felt fake solvy then he just goes into deathtunnel mode.


I would vote Skittles or TB tho

Skittles just played in a game with me and it was one of my best games ever, I can link it if you want. i am curios how they decide to move forward after that. tb is probably scum but ik they're also legitimately busy and that isn't b.s. so id rather give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

I wouldent. He actively avoids thread when mafia, and hasn't done anything and had fake confidence when replacing in

if he hadn't come back by 2 days before dl (or a sub comes in that isn't extremely obv town) we can lynch him. until then I'm ignoring him because I have seen him flake as town multiple times and fri/sat/sun he's typically gone anyways.

[Eddie Cane]

this isn't something people do much nowadays but active real time deliberation helps a lot.

mybe im multitasking tho

does anything specific make you doubt scum!thor? or while we're at it, town!rb?

[Eddie Cane]

do you think Mario slot is scum? I scum read ausuka but Mario posting seems fine.

[Eddie Cane]

Well, paranoia on RB. And he seems to want to be seen as game solving. And i know he knows how to get townread. I don't think he's lock town actually the more I think

what do you make of his rage fit at thor? I like to read ate personally, idk about you. scum getting angry is different than town getting angry usually for me.

[Eddie Cane]

also, how would you read ciara ignoring your role pm? I scumread him personally

[Eddie Cane]

Everyone who joined the wagon on flavor leaf, give reasons pls

i'm playing optimal town strategy
UNVOTE:
VOTE: sunlit diamond

@paul not the whole game, just until i'm confident in my scumreads enough to push them.
also i only sheep rb when i'm town just so you kno

am.i.bad for townreading these

[Eddie Cane]

if u have anything u wanna ask me btw shoot

[Eddie Cane]

also, how would you read ciara ignoring your role pm? I scumread him personally

what lol

u read it.

[Eddie Cane]

Well, paranoia on RB. And he seems to want to be seen as game solving. And i know he knows how to get townread. I don't think he's lock town actually the more I think

what do you make of his rage fit at thor? I like to read ate personally, idk about you. scum getting angry is different than town getting angry usually for me.

how

tonal. they also get mad for different reasons. big example: someone with an ego getting bullied by an experienced scum or a stupid town vs scum caught for the wrong reasons

[Eddie Cane]

also, how would you read ciara ignoring your role pm? I scumread him personally

what lol

u read it.

My predecessor didn't read their role PM?

Aren't you forced to to play?

no. i meant you read my post. what do you think your read on ciara would be ignoring if you know you're town (or scum)

[Eddie Cane]

Paul and leaf ur both town anything u wanna talk about

[Eddie Cane]

Unless by meta he is

pretty much. he's awkward, but that's normal. in a game of his he was motion detector (town), idled n1 and targeted a claimed conf town pr n2. he's not necessarily bad, but he's new and I attribute the awkwardness to that. in the ~3 games of his I've seen he's been like this.

what makes you scumread him?

[Eddie Cane]

i mean I could be pocketing him but that still makes him town so it's still relevant

[Eddie Cane]

his iso is short if u wanna skim and get back to me

[Eddie Cane]

if u are lurking and are town I suggest u interact with me rn btw.

[Eddie Cane]

post is fine to me o.o

[Eddie Cane]

if that was from scum it would be called out by town skitters. could be partner interaction but based on how many other scummy ducks there are itg I doubt it lol. but, we can take that early ass post and make it useful

Paul, what is your experience with skitters?
skitters, what do you make of that line mulch pointed out?

[Eddie Cane]

Im a little wary of skitters rn as she isnt as aggressive as her town game normally is but its also only page 8. The thing is, her town and scum games are annoyingly similar except for how aggressive she is.

I don't like this part

It's day 1. we have the whole game ahead of us. We'll get to her. I want to meta dive her, but I guess it won't matter much if you think they are very similar.

lol

[Eddie Cane]

Okay gn. hopefully people will be talkative tomorrow as it's my day off.

[Eddie Cane]

hey skitter, after our micro what are your thoughts on on?

His emotions remind me as scum. He has akward phrasing. His posts in the beginning felt fake solvy then he just goes into deathtunnel mode.


I would vote Skittles or TB tho

Skittles just played in a game with me and it was one of my best games ever, I can link it if you want. i am curios how they decide to move forward after that. tb is probably scum but ik they're also legitimately busy and that isn't b.s. so id rather give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

I was able to pin you as town there pretty early (You and esires were like the only two people I wouldn't dayvig), and I pretty much stuck with that throughout the whole game, although during the night I started to get worried that you had pocketed me (I said a bunch of times that I knew I got pocketed, but I couldn't tell who did it), but then you died, so there's that.

Like, despite your shitposting and general posting style, which are in general hard for me to read, I could see legitimate attempts to solve the game, and I liked how you used meta to explain your reads on Vedith and Hiraki. Your early Vedith read is basically what sold me on town!Vedith despite everything stupid he did after, and your post analyzing Hiraki *before* I got wagoned basically sold me on my townread of you.

Here I was having more trouble reading you because your whole spat with Thor was kinda confusing to me. Like, it was pretty obvious to me that you had misread his posts, but you very stubbornly stuck to your guns and said that he was scum despite that. That's why I labeled you ???? cuz I wasn't sure exactly what I was seeing. Like, I could tell you were doing *something*, but I couldn't tell what.

anyways, game. what about thor makes you scumread him? I haven't made a case, just created the content needed for one, and I am not satisfied he's scum to the point I want to death tunnel him. maybe you'll sell me.

So, this makes sense to me. You were doing it to get reactions. This is a thing I know you do, but that wasn't how I initially read your overblown three page argument with him. I didn't know *how* to read it, tbh, so I couldn't figure out how I was supposed to use it to read you. (And I now think this is what you were trying to say with the donkey/lion metaphor earlier lol). This is making me feel a lot better about you, tbh, because the whole Thor thing seems to have stemmed from a town!oriented mindset: you were trying to get reactions to analyze.

really? i got the impression you might vig me initially. thats explicitly why I said make sure to get a claim; I could reveal as ic if necessary. you didn't town read me early game, afaik.

[Eddie Cane]

hey Thor, you said we should join the biggest wagon for claims. removing your vote, what's the biggest wagon?

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Thor

Is this really the wagon we want?

I'd say he is rather likely to flip town, and his wagon doesnt feel like something that would yield good data..am I wrong?

yes

[Eddie Cane]

Replace me please

Sorry Penguin. I love you but I just don't have the time necessary to dedicate myself to this game. I'm moving next week and will have limited internet access over the next few days. It's best if someone else takes my slot.

no

[Eddie Cane]

i was expecting fro99er after 1112. hmm

[Eddie Cane]

mulch can be scum. that doesn't make thor town.

[Eddie Cane]

i called him Skittles first u heard it here folks

[Eddie Cane]

skitter, why is this town frustration from thor? as scum if someone misreps your point why would you not still get angry?

additional question - you townread the for playing to hid suggested optimal town meta. do you not believe thor, 8 years later, is capable or willing of thst as scum?

[Eddie Cane]

am actually getting mindblown by the amount of stupid in this game rn

who particularly is being stupid? do you believe said oeople are scum for it or just playing poorly?

[Eddie Cane]

u need to name names mate

[Eddie Cane]

calling ppl out and not being specific doesn't help them improve or help us catch scum!them

[Eddie Cane]

do you think mulch is scum?

[Eddie Cane]

poll; who is considering voting munch

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: mulch

[Eddie Cane]

you'll have to walk me through that

[Eddie Cane]

relax rb. insulting ppl is fun but it doesn't get results.

[Eddie Cane]

hey Thor are u voting mulch since he's the largest wagon and scumreads you

[Eddie Cane]

hey mulch are u gonna get obv scum thor lynched or let him escape rope because he's your partner

[Eddie Cane]

or maybe I'm scum and you should both quiver in your boots

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie fyi the people are

wavemode/mulch/paul/flavor/thinkbig/unabombah/sunlit/dunker (he's not a townread anymore)

it'd be great if this list contained all the scum, then only 5 town players would be irredeemably useless at mafia

At a minimum we have 5 town players who're literally dead weight

Paul is town and will end up sheeping me so it's fine. think slot needs to impress me or they're being roped. mulch and thor are interesting. wave and flavor are p town. dunker is eh. una and sun are scummy.

yes, I agree most are useless, most are newer players though and I don't mind it personally. most of my town losses are from the games being beginner heavy - at least it's something to blame it on! I don't think mulch / wave especially aren't *useless* tho, even if their play is lackluster.

[Eddie Cane]

the thing is we need beginners to learn, mafia might be more fun with better people but a game with me/you/rc/frogger/other annoying loud player here also doesn't work. nobody in this game is irredeemably horrible, trust me, my newbie game was the worsttime of my life. it is annoying having to cater to less experienced players but we were beginners too learning at some point. if you're scum I probably won't catch you because there is so much more scummy stuff to look at and I think that's what you mean in 1267, not every game can be a W but u can still play well and lose. these aren't momomen.

[Eddie Cane]

its fine im just over it

i cant be convinced to care so im just gonna vote whoever i think is scum

we should just kill mulch or SD and end the day

thor is scum but hes one of those ppl who twist words for like 100 pages so i cant even be fucked dealing with it. we can just lynch that scumfuck last

I accept becoming a doublevoter if u want to offer that. until I'm nkd anyways. or nk you.

[Eddie Cane]

fun self meta: im.never scum with tb here. i would be literally writing posts for him if I had to. i am big on breaking my partners metas (u saw the pt in mastinas game where tb won lylo lmao at that btw) and wouldn't let him idle out because itd get caught and lynched. of course, wifom.

[Eddie Cane]

sd is an eh lynch tho. mulch and thor are the wagons I ideally want. tb slot too if replacement doesn't obv town.

[Eddie Cane]

not gonna argue against sd he's scummy but bigger fish to fry

[Eddie Cane]

gn

[Eddie Cane]

most people are willing to help one beginner in a normal game of experienced players. or two. more than that and it's unmotivating.

[Eddie Cane]

rb's anger and reasons for being angry are starting to feel quite forced. Statements like "At a minimum we have 5 town players who're literally dead weight" and "You can just win because these worthless sacks are irredeemably shit at the game" I would sort of expect from someone who just joined the site but not someone with any kind of experience

. Most town are dead weight in general and if you have any experience then you already know that.

It seems sort of silly that like 9/10 of rb's posts are so focused on how bad people are playing. Starting to feel like the whole, act annoyed at town for playing bad so they think I'm emotionally invested in the game, play.

It started with his whole argument for it being good for us to kill Thor even if he's town, and it's just steadily gotten worse since then. I can't really see town!rb getting so wrapped up in irrelevant nonsense and insults in such a large majority of his posts. I don't know if someone more familiar with him can say that's meta-normal but it's striking me as very scummy at this point.

Anyway, just my 0.02

um

[Eddie Cane]

also dw im doing my duedilligance reading rb too. i want my first recent scum!rb game to be me catching him!

[Eddie Cane]

considering I agree with how useless a lot of ppl are being, and simply care less, I don't really see it tho. unless I'm titled. tilted. tired. sleep.

[Eddie Cane]

Why? There's no Mulch case. None. It's nonexistent

I think there's no real Ciara case either but I could be wrong, maybe someone could present it to me

scum

[Eddie Cane]

You're approaching this backwards.

You

asked

us

for Mulch votes. I'm asking you what is so scummy about him that I should move from SD, who I do scumread.

I personally would not claim this early in a game like this no matter what. There's no way to prove the claim anyway so it doesn't clear me. It just gives free information to the scumteam since I probably haven't got a chance to use my power yet. It's better to just hope the wagon dies, like they usually do after L-1, especially when it is seeming like people are voting on a whim and not for concrete reasons.

this early? as in page 50 something over a week into the game?

[Eddie Cane]

This early as in Day 1 in a closed game.

maybe rb is right

[Eddie Cane]

mulch is scumbtw

[Eddie Cane]

If I was scum you would not be coming close to lynching my ass lol

am I close to lynching your ass? your desperado bullshit and garbage ate already got a couple newbs to unvote you