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[mastina]

Forty-second Votecount

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(Third Votecount D5

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ReplacedIn - 1 (Alisae)

Not Voting - 4 (EeveeLution Army, aronagrundy, ReplacedIn, iDanyboy)

With

5

alive, it takes

3

to lynch.

Day 5's deadline is Monday, August 14th, @ 4:30 PM PDT: (expired on 2017-08-14 19:30:26).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  

[EeveeLution Army]

VOTE: arona

FF I'd rather vote massive

Its not any one specific post...just the entire push seemed like he was hoping a lynch would happen on arona while possibly busing massive. Thats just me.

[EeveeLution Army]

Like i said i personally don't see you or replacedin as more scummy which irritates me like crazy.

[ReplacedIn]

Yeah, I'll just post where I'm at, don't really see the gain in holding my cards to my chest anymore.

I don't see Aliaes's replace in posts as him genuinely attempting to solve the game or analyse the information that was put forward to him, I think his comments re; Arona and it being a fake claim point towards him trying to open up an avenue to get mslynched given otherwise he's got a difficult task in winning from here, think his reaction towards me shutting down the Arona suggestion doesn't make any sense coming from town but makes plenty from scum.

I'm not seeing him actually take into account or even bother to check back at the manner Arona claimed or anything of the sort, I think that attitude from him directly contradicts how badly he wanted someone to post at day start as in if he was that eager and town I think he'd have done

some

reading prior or done the reading of snippets when directed towards them. I think the night kill makes more sense from him then Eeve in that Eeve making the statement yesterday that he thinks Mulch is possibly where people are wrong (despite her being clear) and then shooting her at night feels like an odd and unlikely progression for scum to make in comparison to Alisae just shooting Mulch not being aware of gamestate whereas I think Eeve just shoots Arona.

Also think the way he's gone about actually interacting with me feels more like him trying to tilt me rather than him attempting to garner a read on me there, his comments particularly the "i'm not going to scumhunt him because that's what you want" is a very ??? comment given he'd want to actually get a solid read on both myself and Eeve if he was town here given it'd be in his own interests there. It's not like it was a leading question or forcing him to come out with a particular stance, just to actually have a well-reasoned read based on the events that have transpired over the game. His other comment of "I think Eeve is town because you're pushing him" is nonsensical in that with 1 scum remaining he has to consider two worlds, a) I'm mafia in which case Eeve isn't' scum because I'm pushing him but town because I'd have to be the mafia or b) I'm town in which case it'd not negate the chances of Eeve being mafia but instead increase it. It's just a bunch of drivel from him. The whole "Lets 1 v 1" at a point where he'd not really read an ounce of the game feels like a scum gambit.

Most of the things he's pointed out inside Evees ISO feel like weaker points and think he's missed more important things like Eeves stances and treatement of both MMM & Massive, do recognise that we both analyse games very differently but would think there'd be even a little focus on that as town and the ultimate stance taken feels like one where he's setting himself up to continue his push on me while leaving himself the opportunity to switch to Eeve if it goes that way.

Also think the way he's interacted with Eeve comes across as him attempting to pocket Eeve rather than read him for the most part and the way he's attempting to discuss Froggers own actions here feels very agenda-driven here, particularly given the '1 v 1' 'Town!FF' elements don't flow smoothly at all.

Chickadees defence of the LMK slot in Post 917 and again in Post 1038 makes plenty of sense as scum defending their roleblocker and doing whatever they can to minimise the chances of there being a wagon swing to have that role lynched D1, it's the most she defends any player in the game outside of LUV which doesn't really count given their circumstances. Argument can be made that she's WK'ing a town slot but the way she went about it didn't really play to give her town-cred upon it's flip or anything of that matter which again points towards it being a W/W thing.

I also think Froggers treatment of Arona/Massive/FF yesterday and the turn around he did makes plenty of sense as mafia, specifically him attempting to tie Arona-Massive together makes sense of him trying to get a mslynch post his partners flip. His reads for instance Post 1960 pre claim by Arona to him fabricating an out in Post 2113 to him considering a scum team of FF/Myself over Massive in Post 2123 has a lot of scum motivation behind it, most specifically being he needs the FF mslynch to go through there otherwise if Massive gets lynched there's potential for FF to be cleared via interactions. His reaction towards me pointing out how Massive/him makes sense feels very over-blown and hard to comprehend if he's town here too.

Think overall there's significantly more that points towards the Alisae slot being mafia here.

Vote: Alisae

[Alisae]

Well I mean
Frog does bus.

but here is the thing
Frog doesn't bus unless he thinks he is going to get towncred for it.
He would just add more force to what he was currently pushing.

[EeveeLution Army]

Thirty-ninth Votecount

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(Fourth Votecount D4

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massive - 4 (ReplacedIn, iDanyboy, EeveeLution Army, Mulch)

ReplacedIn - 1 (massive)

Not Voting - 2 (Fro99er, aronagrundy)

With

7

alive, it took

4

to lynch.

massive has been lynched.

Day 4's deadline was Monday, August 7th, @ 04:00 PM PDT: (expired on 2017-08-07 19:00:23).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

(+2)

massive - 4 (ReplacedIn, iDanyboy,

EeveeLution Army, Mulch

)

(=0)

ReplacedIn - 1 (massive)

(-2)

Not Voting - 2 (

EeveeLution Army

, Fro99er, aronagrundy,

Mulch

)

Last votecount was post 2250, page 91.

Spoiler: Player Vote History Day Four

• EeveeLution Army(1):
  massive
  
• Fro99er(0):
  
  
• aronagrundy(0):
  
  
• ReplacedIn(1):
  massive
  
• iDanyboy(1):
  massive
  
• Mulch(3):
  massive=> Unvote==> massive
  
• massive(1):
  ReplacedIn

Spoiler: Players Who Have BEEN Voted Day Four

1. massive:
   5 - ReplacedIn, iDanyboy, Mulch, EeveeLution Army, Mulch
   
2. ReplacedIn:
   1 - massive

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 4

On Mon, Jul 07/17/17 @ 04:26p,

ReplacedIn

voted

massive

in post 2181.
On Mon, Jul 07/17/17 @ 04:35p,

iDanyboy

Voted

massive

in post 2184.
On Mon, Jul 07/17/17 @ 04:55p,

Mulch

Voted

massive

in post 2185.
On Mon, Jul 07/17/17 @ 06:15p,

Mulch

Unvoted

(

massive

)

in post 2201.
On Tue, Jul 07/18/17 @ 07:00a,

massive

Voted

ReplacedIn

in post 2208.
On Wed, Jul 07/19/17 @ 05:12p,

EeveeLution Army

Voted

massive

in post 2252.
On Wed, Jul 07/19/17 @ 06:33p,

Mulch

==[]HAMMER[]== Voted

massive

in post 2256.

[ReplacedIn]

Frog ended yesterday without being on anyone which felt a bit odd idk why he didn't keep his arona/massive lynch on

Froggers non-vote yesterday isn't an issue given he didn't post at all then making it completely null in that regard.

It's his lack of vote on Massive D3 which is the real kicker.

<<< Fixing quote tag. >>>

[ReplacedIn]

Spoiler:

Doesn't yours just mean chick isn't a vt tho

Mulch, chick claimed vt

realizes chick isn't a VT despite claiming VT, yet pushes for a FF lynch because...

Ok here's the thing. We have two claimed guilties. One of them is getting lynched.

I refuse to have the WIFOM claim bullshit going on with a claimed cop last for more than this day. We figure out if the CLAIMED COP is lying today

Makes no sense. What does figuring anything out about the claimed cop have to do with this. What about the macho Neapolitan? This isn't even a reason to go for FF, yet today arona is back on the FF train after actively trying to push for former for reasons that aren't even reasons.

Just conveniently ignores the whole Chick got caught claiming VT, yet can't be VT thing to push the other guilty for a worse reason.

VOTE: Arona

if you think they're both lying why does it matter lmao

oh my god mulch you just said that they're both scum

frustrated scum is frustrated that mulchy is considering that the Chick guilty is a solid guilty, while the FF guilty could have a roleblock.

1618 Arona.

what happens if chick flips town?

Pointless.

If chick is the lynch that's fine tbh

This day needs to end. Any objections to me hammering?

Then is suddenly half baked about a chick lynch and asks to hammer when it's inevitable

massive is scum too

Pushes MMM, but then says "they've given enough" of chicks slot. If you think they are scum, push that harder. Convince others. Do something.

Then the guilty on Chick happens and suddenly no vote, but starts asking LUV if he breadcrumbed and "WIFOM" in my head.

Gonna vote FF because I feel like I know what GreyICE gambits look like but I also feel like there's gotta still be other things to do today.

never follows up on this.

There's no desire from massive to find scum, period.

VOTE: massive

I just see massive and arona yelling at each other about activity, but no attempt to actually sort each other.

also why the hell are we claiming that formerfish is town for pushing chickadee? What else was he supposed to do? The fact that luv guiltied her before formerfish said anything about her negates any talk of intiative tbh

It's not that he pushed for her. It's the *way* he pushed for her. It was different. He pushed hard. Chickadee half assed voted FF. A scum scum interaction is almost always either two half hearted ones because they both got guiltied, or at that point you try to bus the shit out of each other.

FF pushed Uzi to get on chick, even after Uzi said he knew chick was scum yet hadn't voted her. FF could have spun wifom, could have tried to propose things around setup spec. Nope, he went for Chick.

Chick folded and just plopped a vote on FF.

And massive was like "WIFOM I'm confused"

I really think FF is town here guys

scum doesn't want to be lynched here. Scum can't afford to go 2 down at this juncture. There's no way FF is scum here.

So again, if FF's scum here how does that change your reads on them?

If FF is scum, I'll reevaluate those slots like I always do. I play this game on preflips. Always have, always will. Need examples I can give you a million. I've been very right (see my best town performance in MAFIACEPTOIN) and it was me pushing these preflips. I've been very wrong. But we also have a scum flip to work with which gives extra confidence. Add in that chickadee stuff and it's pretty clear both are scum.

If you ignore FF"s alignment entirely what's your reads on the playerlist entirely?

Town:
iDanyboy, Grey, FF, Mulch

lean town:
you

null:
eevee

scum:
massive, arona

VOTE: arona

FF I'd rather vote massive

I want to bite my frog tongue a bit until Mulch confirms if they are claiming or not. Because I don't want to lead eevee one way or the other with what I want to ask them.

VOTE: Massive

@Eevee -- why didn't you vote your highest scumread, massive, as you state.

pedit: hi FF

Loyal Cop, Neapolitan, Weak Doctor, Ascetic v Goon + 2??? is the setup barring iDanny claiming a PR which I don't think he will.

So yeah, all of [Arona/GI/Mulch/iDanny] are confirmed town officially.

Really think Massive is the play.

THIS IS SO FUCKING MISLEADING

Loyal cop, weak doc, macho Neapolitan vs ascetic goon goon is balanced too

holy fuck RI might be fucking scum

UNVOTE:

You realise in the setup you're proposing that FF would have to be mafia, right?

Yes, obviously

that's why I unvoted

It's the above progression that I think is a huge scum tell, him going Arona+Massive are scum together has scum motivation in that he's linking Arona with his partner which allows him to push a mslynch while distancing, then when Arona becomes clear he starts targeting tying Eeve+Massive together and when it looks like it's actually possible that Massive might get lynched he unvotes and suggest that he now thinks the scum tea might be FF/Myself when FF was his strongest town read. It's him needing the FF mslynch to go through. The timing of his read changes there are really really really opportunistic.

[ReplacedIn]

Like his consideration that I could be mafia in that last two posts of his in the spoilered post /having/ to mean that FF was mafia too from him is what doesn't flow naturally, it'd have been significantly more logical for him to consider the scum team to be just myself/eeve or myself/massive but him pulling FF back into the fray when he'd so strongly town read him earlier just screams scum needing to set up to get that mslynch to go through.

Like with Arona claiming and being cleared his win condition as scum went from "Need to get Arona/Eeve/RI lynched to win" to "Need to get FF/Eeve/RI lynched to win or need to get two of them lynched before Massive does". It's a change from him that doesn't flow as town but does as mafia.

[EeveeLution Army]

I don't wanna vote without arona/danys thoughts

[Alisae]

I don't see Aliaes's replace in posts as him genuinely attempting to solve the game or analyse the information that was put forward to him, I think his comments re; Arona and it being a fake claim point towards him trying to open up an avenue to get mslynched given otherwise he's got a difficult task in winning from here, think his reaction towards me shutting down the Arona suggestion doesn't make any sense coming from town but makes plenty from scum.

So let me get this straight.
What you gave me were claims and "here, one of these people need to be lynched."
And instead of blindly following you, I question what you saying and you think I'm scum because of that?

Is there something wrong with forming my own opinions?
Oh wait
you're scum so it makes sense now.

I'm not seeing him actually take into account or even bother to check back at the manner Arona claimed or anything of the sort, I think that attitude from him directly contradicts how badly he wanted someone to post at day start as in if he was that eager and town I think he'd have done

some

reading prior or done the reading of snippets when directed towards them. I think the night kill makes more sense from him then Eeve in that Eeve making the statement yesterday that he thinks Mulch is possibly where people are wrong (despite her being clear) and then shooting her at night feels like an odd and unlikely progression for scum to make in comparison to Alisae just shooting Mulch not being aware of gamestate whereas I think Eeve just shoots Arona.

You're right, I haven't done that!
Maybe I should
and then your push will be flawed.
Because this part is based on the assumption that I have read and saw how Arona claimed.

It was just a top of the head theory to attempt to get myself into the game
and I'm scum for questioning it now???

And okay
here's the thing
Scum!Eevee shooting Mulch works in the fact that people don't think scum!Eevee would do it.
So therefore scum!Eevee gets away with well, shooting Mulch and getting to LyLo assuming that is you sucessfully interacting me.

And even if I'm scum, I'm not going to go into this gamestate blind.
I will read up
I will lie about not having read
and I will make an accurate call on how I want to use nightkill accordingly.

And shooting Arona ensures that atleast one of Mulch and/or Danny get to LyLo if you think about it.

Sadly, I think you shot Mulch here.

--

Also think the way he's gone about actually interacting with me feels more like him trying to tilt me rather than him attempting to garner a read on me there, his comments particularly the "i'm not going to scumhunt him because that's what you want" is a very ??? comment given he'd want to actually get a solid read on both myself and Eeve if he was town here given it'd be in his own interests there. It's not like it was a leading question or forcing him to come out with a particular stance, just to actually have a well-reasoned read based on the events that have transpired over the game. His other comment of "I think Eeve is town because you're pushing him" is nonsensical in that with 1 scum remaining he has to consider two worlds, a) I'm mafia in which case Eeve isn't' scum because I'm pushing him but town because I'd have to be the mafia or b) I'm town in which case it'd not negate the chances of Eeve being mafia but instead increase it. It's just a bunch of drivel from him. The whole "Lets 1 v 1" at a point where he'd not really read an ounce of the game feels like a scum gambit.

If you are going to force me to forget about my reads just to appease you, then yes, I will go about it as if I am trying to tilt you. Because I quite frankly hate it when someone tells me my reads are shit.
And hate it when someone tells me to go back to the newbie queue.
And you think I am trying to tilt you?
YOU TILTED ME IF ANYTHING
And it just seems like you planned that trap just to use it against me. Becuase you probably figured I would act that way.
It's manipulative, I'll give you that.

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Most of the things he's pointed out inside Evees ISO feel like weaker points and think he's missed more important things like Eeves stances and treatement of both MMM & Massive, do recognise that we both analyse games very differently but would think there'd be even a little focus on that as town and the ultimate stance taken feels like one where he's setting himself up to continue his push on me while leaving himself the opportunity to switch to Eeve if it goes that way.

Um, that is how I ~Play the Game~
as either alignment.

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Also think the way he's interacted with Eeve comes across as him attempting to pocket Eeve rather than read him for the most part and the way he's attempting to discuss Froggers own actions here feels very agenda-driven here, particularly given the '1 v 1' 'Town!FF' elements don't flow smoothly at all.

Um. I can justify my sib's actions because we think alike. If you think it's agenda fuelled the okay, but I feel like if anything, this fuels your own agenda to try to force a lynch on me.

Not addressing the other stuff because I don't think I can. I might look at the Frog stuff.

[Alisae]

Like
I don't analyze interactions with flips
that's not really a strong suit of mine
my strong suit is just attempting to read people for their tone and do I believe the tone they are trying to convey here.
And Eevee reads genuine in that way.

[Alisae]

As much as I would like to replicate a Wisdom esque push on Regfan, I don't think that's going to help me here
so I guess this is the part where I work on my case.

[ReplacedIn]

Not particularly interested in getting into a huge wall v wall thing here since I think it detracts from the main points that I'm trying to get across.

Trust that iDanny & Arona will be able to see them.

Will address just a few small things in your recent post though;

1) I'd given you an idea of the gamestate, you were questioning it without going back and attempting to form an opinion based on what actually transpired; attempting to argue X could be scum when you don't even know if you think X is scum is very counter-productive as town but has plenty of scum motivation in that a) It allows you something to talk about, b) It means potentially opening up a mslynch you might not have been able to get previously.

2) Mulch was also cleared via Arona targeting her N1 and not dying on the night we know that GI was roleblocked, it's not really a case of "Mafia shot an unclear over a clear", it's more a case of I think Eeve would have been less likely to shoot Mulch based on his EOD comments, you can argue it's WIFOM and that's true, it's not really the strong point inside my wall. It's something I'm happy to drop to be frank.

3) You decided to replace in and not read the game, that's not something I agree with but can accept given the situation that we're in, was just asking you repeatedly to read the few players ISO's I thought were important and instead you attempted to belittle me like I'm someone that has no idea on setup design. Was trying to be as reasonable with you as possible despite wanting to swear when I saw you'd replaced in and being tempted to state my reads at daystart and replace out.

[Alisae]

Spoiler: I destroy Bomberman's ISO aka Destroying Regfan pt 1 :D

I think the bigger question that should be asked wrt Mulch is how he can compile such a post with not even 5 pages of content

I won't entertain circular logic, Mulch

There's nothing I gain out of interacting with you at this moment if you're going to just defend yourself blindly instead of seeing that perhaps you need to change your mindset/attitude. Note that I haven't voted you because I believe there is a slight chance you are just Noobtown, but I will say that if you continue to play in the way you are I would have no issue voting you

Well, if you really believed in everything you're saying was for the benefit of town, you wouldn't make posts that posture yourself like #108

..If you aren't nervous, why are you responding to me so haphazardly? This shouldn't even be a discussion from your perspective if I am just neglecting your 'legitimate efforts'

Yeah I'm still not seeing his play here to be of someone who's agitated or on the edge. I think he's trying to talk his way into a town leader like role and it comes off a bit as projecting since he's been downright cringe about it.

There's nothing I gain out of interacting with you at this moment if you're going to just defend yourself blindly instead of seeing that perhaps you need to change your mindset/attitude. Note that I haven't voted you because I believe there is a slight chance you are just Noobtown, but I will say that if you continue to play in the way you are I would have no issue voting you

So you're considering policy lynching him?

Can you give me some thoughts on everyone else who's posted? I know Mulch has been the loudest poster in the room but I'm starting to feel like you have an agenda, and not one that has any town motivation.

Hmm my lingo is rusty what is GAMM again? Also yeah i don't like how he completely tosses away your reads. He should at least explain why its wrongs here.

It's not common; I think I created it, I forgot to explain it early game.

Gut, Authenticity, Motivation, and Meta. Those are the 4 things everyone should be reading others on.

Logic is what we see as true. If scum is good enough your "logic" will be a well constructed lie.

Yes. It's a bad way to read people. Authenticity is better. If someone is BELIEVING what they are saying, even if they have the worst logic in the world, that makes them town.

This is really bad theory.

You only need motivation.

He read pretty confrontational to me, and I presumed it was nervous because he kept asserting himself and even dared me once or twice to vote him. Not sure what it was about, really. He came after me because I told him his post was purely conjecture and then insisted that I read it again, but I guess he just sees things in only one perspective given that I already told him what I felt about his wall.

That being said, I wouldn't advocate a policy lynch, nor is this really the place to talk about. I think that his behavior is inherently anti-town, but trying to get everyone to vote someone on those premises isn't going to do the town any good, which is why I am hoping to reason with him because I think his slot is salvageable; I wouldn't shed any tears if he was gone though. My statement on voting him if he didn't fix his play was only to reaffirm his anti-town behavior.

I have nothing too substantial to note about the other players, only gut feeling, and my focus on Mulch is because he was giving me more to look at, even if I feel like it was inevitably wasted given how uncooperative he was being. Do you think if Mulch had a scumteam, they would let him wreak havoc in the way he is?

I'm not really worried about the votes on me honestly, but appreciate your insight regardless.

The problem I am facing right now when it comes to the current gamestate is that the people who have been most prominent in discussion are likely town and only nitpicking at each other

The problem I am facing right now when it comes to the current gamestate is that the people who have been most prominent in discussion are likely town and only nitpicking at each other

If, let's say, us two, Mulch, ELA and Danyboy are probably town nitpicking at each other, who do you think is actually scum then?

If I put this off and answer it later, would you be mad at me?

I honestly didn't realize MMM had so many votes, but that begs the question if people believe MMM would willingly give all this information as scum

For how long will you put it off?

I know this sounds presumptuous but you'll know

I agree with you, and believe that even in MMM's frustration he has made pushes that are in conjunction with mine (LUV, as an example).

Is there where I reveal what I was waiting on? Sort of.

I think Tchill/Gerry/LUV are the best people to vote right now, my preference being LUV>Tchill>Gerry. I don't have enough to call Gerry anything therefore I'm not going to base arguments on that, but I will say that LUV has been playing low to the ground, and what I mean by that is even if he is trying to seemingly 'sort' the game out, there's nothing that really sticks. I don't really mind if people want to take their time, but a lot of the questions, pushes, and involvement don't really amount to much. It can be described as playing careful, which I don't like. This is coupled with the fact that LUV is supposed to be someone who is a seemingly 'hyperposter', but perhaps he's trying to correct that? I don't know if I can believe that for a good amount of reasons, and even then, if you look at LUV he's really not saying much.

MMM, this is your chance to join a contrarian wagon.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

I'm going to take someone who has prior experience with MMM and his behavior as more credible than some ignoramus who tried to play power town out the gate and failed miserably.

I don't even know why I'm scum read currently.

In my best Mulch impersonation, I have used GAMM to discern Tchill is scummier than you

Please vote him or I'll make ten posts about my stupid theory and annoy you

I agree with Grey

VOTE: LMKguy

<<< The mod provides free tag fixes...
...That is, when she actually gets to the post in question. >>>

What do we fucking gain? Please tell me. Do you not read words? I highly believe that if MMM is mafia, their partners have already accepted his fate. They don't need to do anything. Why don't you talk about the people you think are scum or maybe even town in regards to the MMM wagon. That might actually be helpful instead of hoping something magical is gonna come out of his flip. What happens if he's town? Scum? Who are you thinking of voting based on either scenario and who should we be looking at in reference to these flips.

Am I in a newbie game?

I already answered. I said why I'm so focused on the slot and what we gained

..Where? I'm blind. Point it out to me. Reiterate these statements in a way that I can follow.

Answer this please. Please

FUCK OFF

115 - This is a wierd way to attempt to shade someone while sounding surprisingly neutral about them.
128 - I don't want to attempt to sort Mulch and the logic he is using. IE avoiding scumhunting.
134 - I feel like this post is being made coming from someone who has more information then Mulch. Again, I feel like this is bomberman attempting to just avoid scumhunting mulch here.
172 - If you don't like what someone is doing and is calling it anti-town, then you vote them, not posture around them and act like you have information then they do. Like, he is playing surprisingly safe here for some reason.
179 - This concern right now seems really fake.
287 - This is the fairly safe stance to be taking atm. Like, he doesn't even want to do anything or attempt to get them to be cohesive, which is what he should have been doing if he's town here. If anything he's just letting town nitpick at themselves and not bothering to attempt to stop it. He's being a bystandard.
296 and 311 - Scum on Scum interaction. This is the one of the few times he actually interacts with one of his parnters, and it's just stalling and avoiding scumhunting. Not to mention not mentoining your partners is just an in general scumtell.
348 - But what about this frustration is towny. Just saying someone is frustrated isn't going to cut it, you have to say why and connect the dots. This isn't really being done here.
349 - This is just a terrible push. He's basicly pushing LUV for not saying much, but doesn't go into what he isn't saying or really attempt to hunt that.
354 - This heavily screams "I AM SCUM WITH MMM"
552 - And Regfan pushes me for acting tilted towards him. HELLO?
633 - This vote is hiding behind Grey who is doing all of the work for him and is 100% a bus.
646 - Speak for yourself, because Bomber is talking like he is accepting MMM's Fate. The frustration here is just really fake as well.
653 - And a really scummy post with lots of really scummy frustration. "GET THE FUCK OFF OF ME. STOP SCUMHUNTING ME. FUCK OFF."






tl;dr Bomberman's stances are super safe. What he does is just super safe. And when he goes out of his way to do something like what he did with LUV, telling him to Fuck off, it comes off as really fake frustration. He also says how he thinks the place became EpciMafia, but I don't buy he's genuine attempting to sort what's going on and if he's frustrated because scum were pushing him etc. Let me remind you there is no softs or claims or crumbs of anything relating to an Ascetic. Which makes me think it's a scum!Ascetic. Or that Regfan is lieing.

[Alisae]

Not particularly interested in getting into a huge wall v wall thing here since I think it detracts from the main points that I'm trying to get across.

Trust that iDanny & Arona will be able to see them.

Will address just a few small things in your recent post though;

1) I'd given you an idea of the gamestate, you were questioning it without going back and attempting to form an opinion based on what actually transpired; attempting to argue X could be scum when you don't even know if you think X is scum is very counter-productive as town but has plenty of scum motivation in that a) It allows you something to talk about, b) It means potentially opening up a mslynch you might not have been able to get previously.

2) Mulch was also cleared via Arona targeting her N1 and not dying on the night we know that GI was roleblocked, it's not really a case of "Mafia shot an unclear over a clear", it's more a case of I think Eeve would have been less likely to shoot Mulch based on his EOD comments, you can argue it's WIFOM and that's true, it's not really the strong point inside my wall. It's something I'm happy to drop to be frank.

3) You decided to replace in and not read the game, that's not something I agree with but can accept given the situation that we're in, was just asking you repeatedly to read the few players ISO's I thought were important and instead you attempted to belittle me like I'm someone that has no idea on setup design. Was trying to be as reasonable with you as possible despite wanting to swear when I saw you'd replaced in and being tempted to state my reads at daystart and replace out.

but wall battles are fun.

1) Well then, I guess I have to read Arona's ISO to find out why don't I? Like, atleast give me some room to read it, and then interpret it. I mean, if did that and you were town, you could sort me better by analyzing my content, right?
2) See, this is where I disagree. Thanks for dropping it
3) And you did belittle me didn't chu? I mean, you belitted me, and then I belitted you. This is a fight YOU started which is what you aren't including. And regardless, I gave (and giving you) your content right now aren't I?

[Alisae]

do recognise that we both analyse games very differently

I also kinda want to add that this
makes me look like I am very town for just having a different approach.

[Alisae]

WAIT

a) It allows you something to talk about

OKAY REGFAN
THIS IS BULLSHIT


I don't need to use that to create something to talk about
I have many different ways of getting into this game Regfan
even if I didn't try that, I could always try out just reading the last 10 pages.
Or ISOing someone.

I don't need to "Create" something like that to talk about.
I'll just find something to do.
And talk about it.

[Alisae]

I also kinda want to say I'm the better push right now for scum!Regfan
he could easily make himself look more town just based on my interactions with him and how we just cannot tolerate each other's posting.
And I'm not townreading him. Otherwise I feel like he would try to get me to townread him if he was scum.
And even then, he would probably push me because from my perspective he thinks I am like
super bad at this game
so if he wanted it he could do it.

Not to mention he probably has better chances trying to get Eevee to vote me then I have trying to get Eevee to vote Regfan.

[ReplacedIn]

I don't think you anticipated the backlash behind your Arona discussion at all, I think you thought it'd have been town read as 'considering possibilities' and had you actually gone about it in a fashion where you'd reread Aronas claim and brought up specifics about it that you disliked or at really any sort of backing behind it whatsoever I'd not have had an issue with it. The way you went about it though didn't really come across as you genuinely trying to gamesolve though.

And your above post about Bombermans ISO (and several posts of yours above) is just the start of you pushing the only real narrative you have a choice to do at the moment as scum, it's going to be you attempting to construe every post of his to fit with your scum read there, the difference between you how you're assessing that for instance and the Eeve read are miles apart. Pretty much at the point where you're not really 'scumhunting' but instead trying to 'win a debate'.

[Alisae]

And your above post about how Alisae is scum (and several posts of yours above) is just the start of you pushing the only real narrative you have a choice to do at the moment as scum, it's going to be you attempting to construe every post of his to fit with your scum read there, the difference between you how you're assessing that for instance and the Eeve read are miles apart. Pretty much at the point where you're not really 'scumhunting' but instead trying to 'win a debate'.

Hey look
I changed a name.

[Alisae]

Like
that post is so worthless
I can say the same thing about you.

Like
what the fuck even is that post?
A Wifi Password?

[ReplacedIn]

See there's a pretty big difference in that;

a) I've read the entire game, have brought up several of these concerns about your slot in the past, have made my thoughts not just on your slot but the entire game very much known and been pretty transparent with those thoughts. So it's not really a "Tunnel" situation as a I've taken a big deep look at the game and think your slot is very probably mafia. You've jumped from replacing into the game to wanting to set up a 1v1 within ~1 hour and are already attempting to push a narrative, there's no genuine consideration of anything from you here. Difference in that regard couldn't be larger.

b) I've taken a look at both directions of Frogger<->Massive, LMK<->MMM/Chickadee and Eeve<->Massive, Eeve<->MMM/Chickadee and pointed out that I think the biggest scum-tell inside the game right now is how Frogger treated the Massive/FF situation on D3, have spoiler-quoted and gone into detail about that. It's less a case of "look at how every post of Alisaes is so bad and scummy!" or "look how scummy ever post from the slot is" and more about the key concerns.

[Alisae]

I've been somewhat Transparent too.
But you can't be Transparent when you can't even let actions target you sucessfully

And like
your first point is great an all
except its you that has to build the narative.
You have to A. Look like you're trying
B. Look like you're scumhunting
and C. Build a narative to push the people you need to push while having that look genuine.

Like
It really doesn't matter what status of "having read the game" or not you put on your head the matter is your saying just to make it look like you're pushing a narative.

And great
you look at associations
look at you
it just so happens you have more tools at your disposal to manipulate the town with your "narative."

[ReplacedIn]

Effectively what I'm saying is, you've gone from "I scum read ReplacedIn, 1v1" almost instantly upon our interaction at daystart, then gone through Eeves ISO and gone "Probably town but there's some concerns there" then gone "I'm going to make a huge case on ReplacedIn being mafia" and all this before you've even taken a look at my ISO yourself. It's not how town players scumhunt or approach games, it's you having conclusion -> twisting the actual posts inside the game to back up said prior conclusion ie. pushing a prior narrative.

Anyway pretty much just waiting on iDanny & Arona to come in here now, should be pretty clear to them you're scum.