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[rb]

The scumteam is Thor666, Sunlit Diamond, and Ausuka.

Already here you've got a scumteam

but you're coming up with reasons why they're a scumteam as if you didn't already think that

feels like you're just pushing whatever reads work, not looking to figure stuff out or solve the game.

you're pushing an agenda, not solving the game buddO

[wavemode]

I don't understand the point you're making, actually. I said those things

after

the posts I just referenced.

And I'm not coming up with this now, I came up with it then. Thor's recent comments have nothing to do with it. Did I say that they did?

[rb]

But if youd already thought thor was scum, why are you assessing his words like you dont already think hes scum?

Point is, it seems you've concluded prior to any reasoning and are either confbiasing or just making shit up

[Thor665]

I approve of the Sunlight counter wagon.

The Sunlight case for me is - opportunism.

I don't understand your position.

Make the second comment from me a description of *why I think he's scum* (which is the question I was answering) as opposed to a description of why I don't like the wagon, and then magically my position becomes clear with no odd reversal of opinion.

Tbh i was gonna tell the mod i didnt wanna play with thor but i was like meh it cant be that bad, then i ws like maybe ill just /out but was like meh it cant be that bad

its probably gonna be that bad

Why is it going to be bad exactly? Maybe I can change.
Unless your argument is that it's pro-town to not explain your thoughts, in which case, yeah, it will be that bad

[Thor665]

Wagons on scum just don't form this quickly.

How do you feel about the Sunlight wagon, which...formed rather quickly last I checked.
What makes it different?
And, if not different, why are you still voting it?

[wavemode]

But if youd already thought thor was scum, why are you assessing his words like you dont already think hes scum?

Point is, it seems you've concluded prior to any reasoning and are either confbiasing or just making shit up

So because I have a theory that someone is likely scum I can't scrutinize their words anymore? I genuinely wanted to understand what his position actually was.

And you're not actually making any sense anymore. 177 I believe is the posts in question and 40 posts later I call a scumteam, for these reasons I'm giving now. It would be different if I called the team and then after that they did these things. In that case I would just be confbias. But here right now I'm literallu just saying what I was thinking back before. I just didn't consider it important to say at the time.

And you still haven't asked why I actually thought Thor was scum. It has nothing to do with his recent comments, as I've already stated.

[Ausuka]

@Ciara; Why do you believe Wavemode is town? Also, if you don't believe Unabomba is scum (hence the unvote), who is scum?

@wavemode; Is this really the reasoning you thought was worth hiding for so long? All it is is me making a comment and SD agreeing with it.

{Ausuka}
{NotTheRealPaul, skitter30, Unabombah}
{Thor665, Sunlit Diamond, Perfect Fifth, Eddie Cane, rb}
{wavemode, Ciara24}
{Dunkerdoodles, Flavour Leaf}

[Thor665]

@Ausuka - why do you rate rb's townishness so low and skitter's so high?

[wavemode]

My general read on Ausuka and SD is largely gut. I think you two use very surface-level reasons to throw shade at people simply for not acting how you expect.

In that post SD made a weird attempt to help you keep rb at arm's length, for no apparent reason. So that was something concrete I felt could offer since people started asking rb for explanations. This is our best lynch but we still need to convince people to join on. Or else what's the point of scumhunting? So we get to say at the end of the game "look, we were right but noone listened"? pfft

[Thor665]

Wagons on scum just don't form this quickly.

How do you feel about the Sunlight wagon, which...formed rather quickly last I checked.
What makes it different?
And, if not different, why are you still voting it?

@wavemode - I'm thinking you missed this. Can I has answer?

[Ausuka]

@Thor; Rb is null because I don't really see any reason to townread him. Mostly he's just making statements without evidence; i.e "this is town." and "this is scum." I don't think this is indicative of town or scum. I liked his earlier pushes {PF and FL} but I don't like his later pushes {me and SD} and that's all I actually have to base my read on.

@wavemode; I disagree that my pushes are surface-level. I don't vote people for "not acting how I expect" I vote people for things "less likely to come from town than things other people have done" because at this point in the game that's the only way to find scum other than tone-reads.

[Thor665]

@Thor; Rb is null because I don't really see any reason to townread him. Mostly he's just making statements without evidence; i.e "this is town." and "this is scum." I don't think this is indicative of town or scum. I liked his earlier pushes {PF and FL} but I don't like his later pushes {me and SD} and that's all I actually have to base my read on.

If he was scum why would he abandon the push on Flavour to start a new push on Sunlight.
Literally the only way that makes sense is if
1. He and Flavour are scum buddies.
2. He decided to aggressive push and then pansied out.
or
1. He's scum who is scared of being on a lynch wagon...so started a new alternate lynch wagon.

Neither explanation seems too likely, wouldn't that make him less likely to be scum and, thus, more likely to be town?
Am I missing something, or do you disagree with my logic?

[Thor665]

@Ausuka - also, you didn't answer the Skitter portion of my question, could you field that one also? Why is he such a town read for you?

[Ausuka]

I agree that none of the three points you mentioned would make much sense. I think that if Rb is scum the most likely explanation for counterwagoning SD is for towncred. The lynch on FL wasn't going through this early ever, so there wasn't much point to staying onto it if he was scum- the wagon would just crash and lose momentum anyway since nobody would accept a hammer this early. He could gain easy towncred by taking a step back and pretending to be wary of the wagon. It's not really AI in my opinion, since there are valid explanations from both a town + scum point of view.

I put Skitter in the town section because I like her posting so far on a whim; the analysis feels genuine to me and she doesn't feel like she has any particular agenda at this point (i.e, she doesn't look like she's grasping for towncred, setting anything up, or trying to lynch anybody.)

[wavemode]

How do you feel about the Sunlight wagon, which...formed rather quickly last I checked.
What makes it different?
And, if not different, why are you still voting it?

Uh, this doesn't really track logically. Yes, it's unlikely for wagons to form on scum quickly, but that's not my only reason for thinking FL is town. That would be foolish. I think he's town because I don't scumread his actions. Conversely, I wouldn't flip around my scumread on SD simply because people are agreeing with me.

[Thor665]

I agree that none of the three points you mentioned would make much sense. I think that if Rb is scum the most likely explanation for counterwagoning SD is for towncred. The lynch on FL wasn't going through this early ever, so there wasn't much point to staying onto it if he was scum- the wagon would just crash and lose momentum anyway since nobody would accept a hammer this early. He could gain easy towncred by taking a step back and pretending to be wary of the wagon. It's not really AI in my opinion, since there are valid explanations from both a town + scum point of view.

I put Skitter in the town section because I like her posting so far on a whim; the analysis feels genuine to me and she doesn't feel like she has any particular agenda at this point (i.e, she doesn't look like she's grasping for towncred, setting anything up, or trying to lynch anybody.)

I feel like you're applying different levels of analysis to rb and Skitter.
Do you disagree with this? If so, why?
If not, why are you doing this?

How do you feel about the Sunlight wagon, which...formed rather quickly last I checked.
What makes it different?
And, if not different, why are you still voting it?

Uh, this doesn't really track logically. Yes, it's unlikely for wagons to form on scum quickly, but that's not my only reason for thinking FL is town. That would be foolish. I think he's town because I don't scumread his actions. Conversely, I wouldn't flip around my scumread on SD simply because people are agreeing with me.

Sorry, when you brought up only the wagon speed I thought that was a big issue for you - I'm happy to agree it's NAI any day and all day and agree it's foolish.
Do you town read FL or just not scum read him?
If you town read him - why?

[wavemode]

I don't scumread him. And he is counter-aligned to the people I gut scumread. Simple as that.

[Ausuka]

@Thor; I didn't think as much about Skitter because I didn't see anything that made me doubt my townread on her.

Scumread on Wavemode increases every time he mentions his "gut-scumreads" without actually presenting evidence or anything that implies he is gamesolving/actually trying to kill his scumreads.

[wavemode]

Scumread on Ausuka is already asymptotically reaching 100% so I'm disregarding her shade throwing.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: wavemode
Your buzzwords are bullshit.

[wavemode]

Your pokemon is bullshit. Cyndaquil is so much better than Vulpix.

[Eddie Cane]

and how do you know scum have daytalk

how do you know scum dont

[Eddie Cane]

@Ciara; Why do you believe Wavemode is town? Also, if you don't believe Unabomba is scum (hence the unvote), who is scum?

@wavemode; Is this really the reasoning you thought was worth hiding for so long? All it is is me making a comment and SD agreeing with it.

{Eddie Cane}
{NotTheRealPaul, skitter30, Unabombah}
{Thor665, Sunlit Diamond, Perfect Fifth, rb}
{wavemode, Ciara24}
{Dunkerdoodles, Flavour Leaf}

ftfy. don't put yourself in reads lists. it's disgusting

[wavemode]

I also forgot to respond to that - am I the only one who reads the modposts? They explicitly say that the scum have daytalk.

[Ausuka]

Your pokemon is bullshit. Cyndaquil is so much better than Vulpix.

^Policy lynch this.