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Yay I review a normal game and town winsShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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And the conversation I had with Danny was just me being desperate to attempt to give him something that he liked.
Like
if you thought about it.
I was backed into a corner and essnetially I had no other options.| here.GTKAS- Alisae
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wowIn post 2397, EeveeLution Army wrote:Tbh alisae i was gonna vote replacein but you threw in yhe towel before i did.- EeveeLution Army
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I don't really know i think it was that he was not 100% confident in you? Or more he still thought it was me while pushing you it was an in the moment thought.Show-Lord Giratina-
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But yay i'm 2 for 2 on mafiascum.Show-Lord Giratina-
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The 1v1 felt like it came out of nowhere which is why I turned onto you, If you just pushed Eeve I would of gone with you.In post 2399, Alisae wrote:Let me ask tho
what did you like about me when it comes to the 1v1
because Regfan had a way stronger push on me that even I agreed with 99% of the time.- Alisae
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That's because he was still open to change his mind and re-evaluate
he was pushing me based on concerns he had
I was pushing him like he said, like I was treating a debate.
Which was just
wow
Because I never thought about the game that way.| here.GTKAS- Alisae
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Game's Night Actions:
Night One Night Actions:
GreyICEloyal copsFormerfish. (Result:Formerfish is TownNo Result;roleblocked by Fro99er.)
aronagrundyweak doctorsMulch. (Result: Mulch is protected; aronagrundy survives.)
Lil Uzi VertNeapolitansChickadee. (Result: Chickadee is Not Vanilla Townie.)
massivenightkillsgerryoat. (Result: gerryoat is set to die.)
Fro99erroleblocksGreyICE. (Result: GreyICE's night action fails.)
gerryoat dies.
Spoiler: Result PMs
Night Two Night Actions:
aronagrundyweak doctorsGreyICE. (Result: GreyICE is protected; aronagrundy survives.)
GreyICEloyal copsiDanyboy. (Result: iDanyboy is Town.)
Lil Uzi VertneapolitansFormerfish. (Result: Formerfish is a Vanilla Townie.)
massivenightkillsLil Uzi Vert.
(Intentionally no roleblock.)
Lil Uzi Vert dies.
Spoiler: Result PMs
Night Three Night Actions:
GreyICEloyal copsEeveeLution Army. (Result: EeveeLution Army is Town.)
aronagrundyweak doctorsGreyICE. (Fails, roleblocked by Fro99er.)
massivenightkillsGreyICE.
Fro99erroleblocksaronagrundy.
GreyICE dies.
Spoiler: Result PMs
Night Four Night Actions:
aronagrundyweak doctorsiDanyboy. (Fails; roleblocked by Alisae.)
Alisaeroleblocksaronagrundy.
AlisaenightkillsMulch.
Mulch dies.
Spoiler: Result PMs- Alisae
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Review thread. (To be released when Nexus gets around to it.)- mhsmith0
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FWIW from review thread...
In post 19, mhsmith0 wrote:"tomorrow morning" has arrived
Town:
Loyal Cop
Ascetic Townie
Weak Doctor
Macho Neapolitan
VT x6
vs.
Mafia:
Roleblocker
Goon x2
So baiscally I certainly see the concern that town can acumulate a shit-ton of clears (and I think that justifies making the roleblocker full instead of odd night). HOWEVER, you also have two important "fucking with results" potential from the roleblocker
1) Loyal cop gets roleblocked, presumes he got a guilty (regardless of actual result)
2) Weak Doctor gets roleblocked, presumes he got an innocent (regardless of actual result)
There's also a legitimate change of the weak doctor not only failing to protect anyone, but also hitting scum early resulting in a double kill and one less mislynch for town, which is a pretty big potential detriment (weak doc is net positive, but there are serious risks). So basically... I think I'm fine with this setup, provided that roleblocker is full and not gated. I think town has too much to give scum less than a full roleblocker.
And yes, i say that knowing full well that two outcomes are VERY possible
1) roleblocker dies early, town steamrolls off of all its hard clears
2) weak doc hits scum without crumbing, or hits scum but is roleblocked, and scum get a MASSIVELY easier road to victory
So yeah, it's swingy as fuck, but I'd accept it as balanced for mini normal meta.In post 20, mhsmith0 wrote:I'd also say that loyal is a substnatial nerf to cop's functionality, since he needs to be targeting for town instead of scum, as hitting scum gives a non-reliable "result". Normal cop would be pretty OP for town here.
I'll also accept balance complaints if any towards me; myko was uneasy about this setup giving town too much potential, I was willing to consider it given swing (roleblocker vs cop/doc interactions can reasonably create a surprise miller and/or a surprise godfather, and in fact that first one did actually happen).In post 21, mhsmith0 wrote:I mean, tbh I don't really love a setup that's heavy on in investigative power from a "setups that smith likes" type of thing, but I think it's pretty reasonably within mini normal norms. Probably a touch more townsided than what I tend to pass, but not unreasonably so, especially since a lot of it is swing anyway.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?- Alisae
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Yo thanks for the hugsIn post 110, mastina wrote:Alisae could use a hug but as a game mod I can't give it in the mafia PT so I'll just leave it here to pick up postgame.
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Pushing me would have been easier alisae, replacedin already had a scumread on me. Nice setup on the arona thing though, but it was wifom.Show-Lord Giratina-
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Setup-wise, I'd say the biggest danger by far for town was the weak doctor. Would be SUPER easy to accidentally suicide n1 or n2, OR be roleblocked while targeting scum, either of which drastically harms town's chances. Barring that, it was really a matter of how many town clears could be generated and/or how destructive a false guilty could be. Without scum generating a false innocent or a false guilty through roleblocker use, their path to victory was probably really really narrow (like, basically being required to kill the cop on n1 for starters)Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?- Alisae
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and the setup is like
100% pure scumposting
It was much like my approach to GL and LQ in a flipless micro where I was scum in, where essentially upon replcaing in, I was told that these players were town and I decided to scumread them.| here.GTKAS- Regfan
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Not a fan of this setup at all, it's plausible for town to have enough clears from N1 actions to have autowin D2 unless mafia can convince them there's a fake PR which isn't an easy task without them having to fake claim themselves. Had GI not been roleblocked this game becomes pretty much autowin which is...kind of silly easy to win that way. Sure you can make the argument of "Scum shot a VT" or "Town used their actions well" but for me that's still not enough to warrant this and I do understand that my role was to decrease the odds of it playing out well for town and that's at least something that I do like in the setup but that'd be about it. I wouldn't have passed this, I don't like that this was passed, I don't like the direction that setups are getting passed in but this is probably more of a discussion that either need not occur or should be dealt with elsewhere so I'll probably just end it there for now.
Outside of the actual setup I thought the game was run very smoothly, lots of vote counts, filling replacement slots very quickly, handling night actions / empty slots overnight in a reasonable manner, ;goodmodding; things from both Mastina and Nancy in that regard.
I think scum suffered from not really having any of their players in the game taken any sort of real control at any point and having far too many conftowns to deal with, meant their avenue of victory was very small and didn't really give them much wiggle room. If one of them took control D2 and locked the lynch in on FF at that point the game probably becomes more interesting if they try and go for the GreyICE mslynch after that but I don't think they get it so I'm not really sure what I'd have done in their shoes here. I think /most/ town players were right about at least something this game if not multiple things which never makes for an easy game as mafia.
Enjoyed playing with a lot of players inside this game, would love to play with a few again at some point including a few people I don't think I've played with before like iDannyboy and Gerryoat. See some serious potential in other players too.
GreyICE, your reads D1 were pretty fucking solid; you had both Chickadee and LMK nailed and had Massive in your PoE. In fact your reads throughout the whole game were fine and I can't even fault you for the FF push and vote given it's mechanically the right move to make since the odds of him being mafia non-scumhunting wise were significantly higher than anyone else. That said I really would have loved it if you worked with me a little in at least considering and/or discussing teams and players that didn't involve FF being mafia and I'm still pretty clueless how you had MMM/Massive unaligned but was pretty happy playing you again, knowing you were town confidently early on this game helped steady me a lot.
Not particularly proud of my D1 play here, the Tchill/MMM misreads were obviously pretty damn wrong, don't think I'd have been able to turn around the scum-read on Tchill but I should have been able to get out of the MMM misread earlier, most of my other reads D1 were pretty decent though and started to correct course on D2 where scum never touched my town reads, think from there I took as much control as I could and only really cased mafia. Willing to take advice/suggestions from players on what I can improve on as always.
Will probably go into my thoughts on other players at some point tonight.- Lil Uzi Vert
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I was notIn post 2402, Alisae wrote:Oh yeah btw
the scum PT
Is
Heavy
Don't go into that unless you're prepared to handle some emotionally heavy stuff.
Damn.- mastina
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I was a little disappointed you gave up--EeveeLution seemed sympathetic to you, and the deciding vote was a slot being replaced. The replacement may have easily sided with you against ReplacedIn, and then replacement + you + maybe-Eevee would have allowed you to get the lynch through you needed to win, and then left you with a picture-perfect lylo of EeveeLution Army (easily mislynchable), the replacement (doable albeit hard), and you: zero conftown, and zero harm to come.
Of course.
This all largely depends on who the replacement was.
Someone comes in who reacts like you did to ReplacedIn, you basically win.
Someone comes in who is similar in style to ReplacedIn, you're fucked.
But the thing is, you gave up before you actually saw that, and that's the disappointing thing to me. You had a chance at winning which you forfeited.- mastina
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(BTW I believe all mod documentation is now completed; let me know if I missed anything but I think everything should be in postgame condition.)- Alisae
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If I was stronger and I just knew that
and I considered things
and I knew I had a chance
I might have continued fighting.
But i just don't think I'm that strong enough as a person.
I just sprialled down into negativity emotionally and gameplay wise.| here.GTKAS - Alisae
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